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   Jon Gruden gives example of NFL play to Cam Newton: "Flip right, double-X, Jet, 36 counter, naked waggle, X-7, X-quarter." Cam's response: LOL WUT

19 Apr 2011 09:17 AM   |   4768 clicks   |   Windy City Gridiron
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UNC_Samurai     
And there's a good chance Jerry may draft this poor man's Akili Smith.

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19 Apr 2011 09:18 AM
krazycraft     
I loved it when Gruden asked Cam for an example of a play call from Auburn and he was like, "uhh you're putting me on the spot!"

/what a dumbass

19 Apr 2011 09:26 AM
The Great EZE     
Had to stop at the bungled gun (!) metaphor.

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...this is going to be a shame...

19 Apr 2011 09:28 AM
Quiefenburger     
Farker has bust written right on his forehead. And he apparently raided Ken's wardrobe from Real Genius.

19 Apr 2011 09:28 AM
ArtosRC     
Would it be wrong to wish unspeakable pain and agony on this worthless fark?

19 Apr 2011 09:29 AM
CCCarnie     
This doesn't bother me all that much. He'll learn the play calls with practice. And if he doesn't? Dumb 'em down if you need to. Or just go all pickup game style and draw a play in the dirt every time. I don't care. If the guy can play, that's all that matters. The playcalling situation will end up figured out before he plays a game. Just remember, you don't have to be smart to be a good QB. There were plenty of QBs with questionable intelligence that ended up being great.

19 Apr 2011 09:33 AM
vinnydoz007     
To put it simply. Im not impressed. Very glad my team doesnt need a QB this year.

19 Apr 2011 09:34 AM
TheYeti     
Wait, Jon Gruden is smarter than Cam? Where's the Newsflash tag?

;)

19 Apr 2011 09:41 AM
Dogfacedgod     
DURRRRR

19 Apr 2011 09:41 AM
riverwalk barfly     

CCCarnie: This doesn't bother me all that much. He'll learn the play calls with practice. And if he doesn't? Dumb 'em down if you need to. Or just go all pickup game style and draw a play in the dirt every time. I don't care. If the guy can play, that's all that matters. The playcalling situation will end up figured out before he plays a game. Just remember, you don't have to be smart to be a good QB. There were plenty of QBs with questionable intelligence that ended up being great.


umm.. Dan Marino

19 Apr 2011 09:41 AM
ArtosRC     

riverwalk barfly: CCCarnie: There were plenty of QBs with questionable intelligence that ended up being great.

umm.. Dan Marino


I want to play!

TERRY BRADSHAW

19 Apr 2011 09:43 AM
Rustico    [TotalFark]  
Your "mental chamber"? Good luck with that, Cam.

19 Apr 2011 09:44 AM
Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo     
In the past, you could be pretty dumb and succeed at QB. These days, with the defense on helmet mike, etc, you need more of a brain.

19 Apr 2011 09:47 AM
StRalphTheLiar    [TotalFark]  

CCCarnie: Or just go all pickup game style and draw a play in the dirt every time.


Yeah, that'll work really well against an NFL defense. "Hey o-line, you guys just block somebody. Everybody else just run around. I sure hope they don't blitz."

CCCarnie: Just remember, you don't have to be smart to be a good QB. There were plenty of QBs with questionable intelligence that ended up being great.


You don't have to be smart, look at Terry Bradshaw. You do have to be able to grasp offensive and defensive schemes though, without drooling on yourself.

19 Apr 2011 09:48 AM
poughdrew     

CCCarnie: This doesn't bother me all that much. He'll learn the play calls with practice. And if he doesn't? Dumb 'em down if you need to. Or just go all pickup game style and draw a play in the dirt every time. I don't care. If the guy can play, that's all that matters. The playcalling situation will end up figured out before he plays a game. Just remember, you don't have to be smart to be a good QB. There were plenty of QBs with questionable intelligence that ended up being great.


I'm trying to think of one in the last 10 years, and I'm drawing a blank. Most of the dumb guys these days end up being busts.

19 Apr 2011 09:51 AM
PowerSlacker     

StRalphTheLiar: You don't have to be smart, look at Terry Bradshaw. You do have to be able to grasp offensive and defensive schemes though, without drooling on yourself.


NFL offenses are much more cerebral and sophisticated than they were in Bradshaw's day (as well as Marino's day).

19 Apr 2011 09:51 AM
KingKauff    [TotalFark]  

ArtosRC: riverwalk barfly: CCCarnie: There were plenty of QBs with questionable intelligence that ended up being great.

umm.. Dan Marino

I want to play!

TERRY BRADSHAW


My turn!

Eli Manning

19 Apr 2011 09:52 AM
Lt. Cheese Weasel    [TotalFark]  

UNC_Samurai: And there's a good chance Jerry may draft this poor man's Akili Smith.


No way Jerry Jones takes this clown. The memory of Quincy Carter still lingers strongly.

19 Apr 2011 09:53 AM
riverwalk barfly     

ArtosRC: riverwalk barfly: CCCarnie: There were plenty of QBs with questionable intelligence that ended up being great.

umm.. Dan Marino

I want to play!

TERRY BRADSHAW


Terry who? I would like to think that he is good at playing dumb - But you can never be sure with him. BTW - Roger Staubach - smart QB (the naval academy doesn't graduate people like me ) and he was really not that great

19 Apr 2011 09:53 AM
SFSailor     
Gruden certainly makes it seem hard, or at least that there's a lot more going on than it looks like on tv... a complex and completely fabricated rapid-fire language, that you then have to re-learn when you change teams... while 300+# guys try as hard as they can to tear you in two. (At least until they change the rules to the point of "just wear flags".)

CCCarnie: Just remember, you don't have to be smart to be a good QB.


No, you don't have to be intellectual, or book-smart, or conversationally quick, maybe. But I'm willing to bet you have to be pretty football-smart to make it as an NFL QB. This guy couldn't think of a single play he called himself, while sitting comfortably in an interview room, forget a field with defenders and 50,000 screaming fans, and the entire team ran on (apparently... can't say I've watched one of their games) a giant sign with a number on it held on the sidelines.

This is supposed to work against an NFL defense? Even more fundamentally, how is he supposed to lead / motivate / manage / coalesce his offense? Finally, it seems his entire life to this point has been surrounded and coddled by people blowing smoke up his skirt... notice how he fell (even further-) apart when Gruden asked him about criticism?

The real mystery is, given what seems to have been revealed in this basic, friendly interaction, why in the fark would his agents/protectors let him out of a deep, dark, well-sealed cave before draft day? What good could possibly have come from letting him interview? "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool...."

19 Apr 2011 09:53 AM
Lt. Cheese Weasel    [TotalFark]  
"Flip right, double-X, Jet, 36 counter, naked waggle, X-7, X-quarter."

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19 Apr 2011 09:56 AM
sbchamp     
Chucky's never had an original thought in his life
Buc Lombardi

19 Apr 2011 09:57 AM
The Bestest     

Lt. Cheese Weasel: UNC_Samurai: And there's a good chance Jerry may draft this poor man's Akili Smith.

No way Jerry Jones takes this clown. The memory of Quincy Carter still lingers strongly.


He's talking about Jerry Richardson.

/Panthers fan
//please no

19 Apr 2011 10:00 AM
the biggest redneck here     

poughdrew: CCCarnie: This doesn't bother me all that much. He'll learn the play calls with practice. And if he doesn't? Dumb 'em down if you need to. Or just go all pickup game style and draw a play in the dirt every time. I don't care. If the guy can play, that's all that matters. The playcalling situation will end up figured out before he plays a game. Just remember, you don't have to be smart to be a good QB. There were plenty of QBs with questionable intelligence that ended up being great.

I'm trying to think of one in the last 10 years, and I'm drawing a blank. Most of the dumb guys these days end up being busts.


Yup. Completely different mental game these days.

19 Apr 2011 10:03 AM
PowerSlacker     

KingKauff: Eli Manning


Eli's a smart guy. Try again.

Wonderlic scores for the NFL's projected starting quarterbacks:
1. Ryan Fitzpatrick 48
2. Alex Smith 40
3. Eli Manning 39
4. Matt Stafford 38
5. Tony Romo 37
6. Aaron Rodgers 35
6. Matt Leinart 35
8. Tom Brady 33
9. Matt Ryan 32
10. Matt Schaub 31


Citation (new window)

From my own link, I see Rapesliberger is a 25 and Favre is a 22. It's possible that Newton could work out with a 21 score I suppose, but he's really at the bottom end of the curve. Even JaMarcus f*cking Russell scored a 24.

19 Apr 2011 10:05 AM
Cndn Bacon     

ArtosRC: riverwalk barfly: CCCarnie: There were plenty of QBs with questionable intelligence that ended up being great.

umm.. Dan Marino

I want to play!

TERRY BRADSHAW


Terry Bradshaw was hardly a great quarterback. He just happened to play on the best team with the best defense in the league. He averaged fewer than 170 YPG passing, had a 71 quarterback rating, and only ended up with 2 more touchdowns than interceptions over his career.

Unless you were being sarcastic, which I can't really tell on the internet.

Also, for every Dan Marino, there's probably 5 JaMarcus Russells or Ryan Leafs.

19 Apr 2011 10:12 AM
SVenus     
Ooh, speculation on the future of a highly touted quarterback!

If Warren Moon is a 10, and JaMarcus Russell is a 1, where will Cam Newton fall, five years hence?

And Warren Moon might be YOUR 10 overall for quaterbacks, but this is my scale, and I'll set the goalposts where I like for purposes of this discussion.

19 Apr 2011 10:13 AM
The Bestest     

Cndn Bacon: Terry Bradshaw was hardly a great quarterback. He just happened to play on the best team with the best defense in the league. He averaged fewer than 170 YPG passing, had a 71 quarterback rating, and only ended up with 2 more touchdowns than interceptions over his career.


Terry Bradshaw = Trent Dilfer?

19 Apr 2011 10:15 AM
Obscure Login     

CCCarnie: This doesn't bother me all that much. He'll learn the play calls with practice. And if he doesn't? Dumb 'em down if you need to. Or just go all pickup game style and draw a play in the dirt every time. I don't care. If the guy can play, that's all that matters. The playcalling situation will end up figured out before he plays a game. Just remember, you don't have to be smart to be a good QB. There were plenty of QBs with questionable intelligence that ended up being great.


He can play the game of College Football, but his quarterbacking (let's pretend this is a word) style usually doesn't translate to the NFL if his accuracy sucks, which it does.

Now let's add in the "questionable intelligence" part and you have yourself a bust at the QB position.

Maybe he'll have a career like Brad Smith, the Jets seemed to figure out a role for him.

19 Apr 2011 10:17 AM
EvilBillGates     
He was way more concerned with his "1-2-3, SWAG!" chant being stolen, than listening to an NFL caliber coaching talent. I got to agree with the consensus here, I don't think he'll be smart enough to read NFL defenses, and if you cant do that, you just cant succeed in the NFL.

Also, not being able to name one play was ridiculous. AND comparing himself to a gun.

If he played any other position, with that athleticism, I think he'd succeed. But NFL QB needs offensive acumen, and I doubt Newton will do it. He probably honestly figures, "They dumbed it down at Auburn, and I destroyed fools. As long as they dumb it down for me in the NFL, I'll still succeed."

19 Apr 2011 10:18 AM
riverwalk barfly     

Cndn Bacon: ArtosRC: riverwalk barfly: CCCarnie: There were plenty of QBs with questionable intelligence that ended up being great.

umm.. Dan Marino

I want to play!

TERRY BRADSHAW

Terry Bradshaw was hardly a great quarterback. He just happened to play on the best team with the best defense in the league. He averaged fewer than 170 YPG passing, had a 71 quarterback rating, and only ended up with 2 more touchdowns than interceptions over his career.

Unless you were being sarcastic, which I can't really tell on the internet.

Also, for every Dan Marino, there's probably 5 JaMarcus Russells or Ryan Leafs.


preface: I hate the Steelers - Terry was a great QB - he may have been surrounded by great players and a great D. but he made it work. He managed the game.

19 Apr 2011 10:19 AM
Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo     
I know these guys are going to make millions and bang cheerleaders night and day, but I can't help feeling sorry for the poor bastards for having to deal with Gruden.

19 Apr 2011 10:20 AM
nelsonal     

Lt. Cheese Weasel: UNC_Samurai: And there's a good chance Jerry may draft this poor man's Akili Smith.

No way Jerry Jones takes this clown. The memory of Quincy Carter still lingers strongly.


This more than one Jerry (new window) who owns a football team.

19 Apr 2011 10:21 AM
StRalphTheLiar    [TotalFark]  

PowerSlacker: StRalphTheLiar: You don't have to be smart, look at Terry Bradshaw. You do have to be able to grasp offensive and defensive schemes though, without drooling on yourself.

NFL offenses are much more cerebral and sophisticated than they were in Bradshaw's day (as well as Marino's day).


That's true, but my point is that you have examples of guys who aren't real smart in general, but they have a great understanding of the game and that lets them succeed. I would put Roethlisberger into this category. Newton has shown no indication of having that level of football smarts.

19 Apr 2011 10:24 AM
EvilBillGates     

SVenus: Ooh, speculation on the future of a highly touted quarterback!

If Warren Moon is a 10, and JaMarcus Russell is a 1, where will Cam Newton fall, five years hence?

And Warren Moon might be YOUR 10 overall for quaterbacks, but this is my scale, and I'll set the goalposts where I like for purposes of this discussion.


I'd say he'll be a 6. I wouldn't be surprised to see him used like VY in his early career. Throw him out there while he's still raw. Give him plays with only 2 passing options, so he can chose to run if they aren't open, or he just sucks at reading the field. Then defenses will adjust, take away the run, and he'll be exposed, just like VY. If he actually tries though, studies defenses, practices hard, and puts in the mental effort, he might be able to be as good as a Fitzgerald, or Cassel. Not a very high ceiling.

19 Apr 2011 10:25 AM
Spike Lee's Favorite Farker     

riverwalk barfly: Cndn Bacon: ArtosRC: riverwalk barfly: CCCarnie: There were plenty of QBs with questionable intelligence that ended up being great.

umm.. Dan Marino

I want to play!

TERRY BRADSHAW

Terry Bradshaw was hardly a great quarterback. He just happened to play on the best team with the best defense in the league. He averaged fewer than 170 YPG passing, had a 71 quarterback rating, and only ended up with 2 more touchdowns than interceptions over his career.

Unless you were being sarcastic, which I can't really tell on the internet.

Also, for every Dan Marino, there's probably 5 JaMarcus Russells or Ryan Leafs.

preface: I hate the Steelers - Terry was a great QB - he may have been surrounded by great players and a great D. but he made it work. He managed the game.


Anyone can "manage the game" when you have the best talent around you. Troy Aikman and Joe Montana weren't out there winning single handed. In fact they weren't the best QB's of their generation, they just had the best talent surrounding them.

19 Apr 2011 10:32 AM
PowerSlacker     

StRalphTheLiar: That's true, but my point is that you have examples of guys who aren't real smart in general, but they have a great understanding of the game and that lets them succeed. I would put Roethlisberger into this category. Newton has shown no indication of having that level of football smarts.


I agree with you. I think Newton doesn't have the football smarts either...but there ought to be some way to use his physical skills on the field. The skills he has aren't enough to justify a first round pick though.

19 Apr 2011 10:34 AM
Super Chronic     
There's a similar video with Gruden and Ryan Mallett -- except that Mallett actually responds to the question, then draws up one of his plays on the whiteboard and explains his read progression, which varies based on the different coverages he might see. Yet Newton is the top-5 lock while Mallett is the supposed head case who might slip into the second round.

19 Apr 2011 10:36 AM
Troy McClure     

PowerSlacker: Even JaMarcus f*cking Russell scored a 24.


But was Russell really an idiot? I never thought he was dumb. He always came across more as unprepared and unwilling to work at it, like a guy who didn't really want to be an NFL QB.

19 Apr 2011 10:36 AM
abhorrent1    [TotalFark]  
He is not a smart man

19 Apr 2011 10:38 AM
InmanRoshi     
Regardless of Cam and his future in the league, Gruden is known for having a ridiculously overcomplicated system and playcalls. I heard Jason Garrett name off some of his playcalls while he was an assistant under him in Tampa, and it was like 60 words long (and Jason Garrett went to Princeton). And the end of the day, it's more about execution than X's and O's.

19 Apr 2011 10:39 AM
Senor Spielbergo     
I know that first look he gave. He was confused and over his head immediately.

Personally, I hope he has lots of support around him to help him be successful. He needs a tutor-type person to be ON HIS ASS. He needs to be broken down and re-built IMO. He needs to be shown that his physical skills go out the window when your brain can't make the right decisions.

I really hope he gets the coaching he needs. Whoever drafts him needs a Gruden-type to be successful in the NFL... and if they can build this guy to a true NFL QB (like Vick's transition last year), he can be impressive IMO.

19 Apr 2011 10:41 AM
Senor Spielbergo     

ArtosRC: Would it be wrong to wish unspeakable pain and agony on this worthless fark?


Honestly.... why? Just because you're a goddamn meathead?

19 Apr 2011 10:44 AM
dnoble_34     
Jon: How you handle all of that criticism and negativity out there?
Cam: I use the analogy as a simple gun. And you need ammunition to be able to use the gun, right?

Jon: You use... Say that again.
Cam: A gun. Right? I mean I know it's a violent, a violent, uh, symbol but at the same time, I'm that. And my ammunition is the criticism that people, you know, put in words to describe who I really am when, in my opinion, it's not true.

19 Apr 2011 10:47 AM
ArtosRC     

Senor Spielbergo: Honestly.... why? Just because you're a goddamn meathead?


Because cheaters are never supposed to win, dammit.

riverwalk barfly: BTW - Roger Staubach - smart QB (the naval academy doesn't graduate people like me ) and he was really not that great


Why do you hate America?

Cndn Bacon: Unless you were being sarcastic, which I can't really tell on the internet.


You never know.

19 Apr 2011 10:54 AM
Sin_City_Superhero    [TotalFark]  

ArtosRC: Would it be wrong to wish unspeakable pain and agony on this worthless fark?


If that's wrong, then I don't want to be right.

19 Apr 2011 10:59 AM
Farkin A Bubba     
We've seen this movie before, most recently starring Vince "Wonderlic 6" Young:


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19 Apr 2011 11:00 AM
SkittlesAreYum     

riverwalk barfly: BTW - Roger Staubach - smart QB (the naval academy doesn't graduate people like me ) and he was really not that great


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19 Apr 2011 11:00 AM
SkittlesAreYum     

ArtosRC: Would it be wrong to wish unspeakable pain and agony on this worthless fark?


Because he stole a laptop, cheated on tests, and might be a bust in the NFL? In case you are serious: yes, it would be very wrong. Go seek some help for your anger issues.

19 Apr 2011 11:02 AM
joemochas     

InmanRoshi: Regardless of Cam and his future in the league, Gruden is known for having a ridiculously overcomplicated system and playcalls. I heard Jason Garrett name off some of his playcalls while he was an assistant under him in Tampa, and it was like 60 words long (and Jason Garrett went to Princeton). And the end of the day, it's more about execution than X's and O's.


that, and auburn ran pretty much a no-huddle hurry-up offense where the calls were made simple and fast.

19 Apr 2011 11:09 AM
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