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   She can't drive unless she smokes pot. Should she be allowed to or not? Read the article before joining the debate

18 Mar 2012 01:31 PM   |   14442 clicks   |   Atlanta Journal Constitution
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AbbeySomeone     
There are so many variables here. I remember a recent article about a car wreck and the driver tested positive for marijuana but was also on a fistfull of rx meds.

18 Mar 2012 01:24 PM
Splish     
Should people with debilitating neurological diseases be driving at all, even if there's a treatment that tempers the symptoms temporarily? The point of the article seems to be that there's not a test to tell how impaired someone may be, but she shouldn't be the poster child for the cause.

18 Mar 2012 01:29 PM
quickdraw     
yes. people drive on caffeine all the time.

18 Mar 2012 01:30 PM
DavidVincent     
She looks happy.

18 Mar 2012 01:34 PM
9beers     
In before morons claim that weed doesn't affect your ability to drive.

18 Mar 2012 01:34 PM
The_Sponge    [TotalFark]  

quickdraw: yes. people drive on caffeine all the time.



I really hope you're trolling/joking.

18 Mar 2012 01:35 PM
buckets_of_fun     
So clearly we need to rethink vehicles. Based on the breathalyzer car starter system, we will now need to pee down a tube (and all over your floor mats) in order to start you car.

Does anyone know which tree air freshener scent works best with urine smell?

18 Mar 2012 01:36 PM
offmymeds     
The suburban Denver woman uses medical marijuana to ease multiple sclerosis symptoms and says she'd never get behind the wheel right after smoking. But her case underscores a problem that no one's sure how to solve: How do you tell if someone is too stoned to drive?

Waiting for the 'STOP' sign to change to green.

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18 Mar 2012 01:37 PM
Honest Bender    [TotalFark]  
The suburban Denver woman

No. She should not be allowed to drive. Stoned or otherwise.

18 Mar 2012 01:37 PM
suburbanguy     
No.

/I RTFA.

18 Mar 2012 01:38 PM
namegoeshere     
I support her right to control her symptoms by smoking pot.

I do not want her driving.

18 Mar 2012 01:38 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom     
Based on my experiences with riding in cars with stoned drivers, the only real issues are taking wrong turns and stopping at every available fast food drive thru.

18 Mar 2012 01:38 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom     

offmymeds: The suburban Denver woman uses medical marijuana to ease multiple sclerosis symptoms and says she'd never get behind the wheel right after smoking. But her case underscores a problem that no one's sure how to solve: How do you tell if someone is too stoned to drive?

Waiting for the 'STOP' sign to change to green.


Trying to figure out why that triangle has so many sides.

18 Mar 2012 01:39 PM
cantsleep     
Let 'em drive!
With the radio up.

Course they'll be drivin real slow...

18 Mar 2012 01:40 PM
LikeALeafOnTheWind     

9beers: In before morons claim that weed doesn't affect your ability to drive.


It most certainly does effect a persons ability to drive, you'll get no argue about that from me. It makes them better drivers.

18 Mar 2012 01:42 PM
The My Little Pony Killer    [TotalFark]  
Do big pharma treatments for epilepsy cause problems with driving?

She's going to kill someone someday. She should be allowed to use whatever medication controls her symptoms the best, but I would not trust her on the roads with me.

18 Mar 2012 01:42 PM
Dreamless     

Honest Bender: The suburban Denver woman

No. She should not be allowed to drive. Stoned or otherwise.


LOL. Because she's from Denver, right?

18 Mar 2012 01:42 PM
medanzig     
I doubt that marijuana actually makes fatal accidents twice as risky. There would be a lot more dead stoners in this world. The issue of legalization wouldn't have arisen if that "fact" they cited was true.

18 Mar 2012 01:42 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom     

LikeALeafOnTheWind: 9beers: In before morons claim that weed doesn't affect your ability to drive.

It most certainly does effect a persons ability to drive, you'll get no argue about that from me. It makes them better drivers.


Same with booze. I'm a much more cautious driver when I'm wasted.

18 Mar 2012 01:43 PM
traylor    [TotalFark]  
She should move to Saudi Arabia. If they catch her driving while being a woman, she will be stoned for sure.

18 Mar 2012 01:43 PM
steamingpile     
Pot drivers drive slower and are more courteous so sure why not.

18 Mar 2012 01:44 PM
RaceDTruck    [TotalFark]  

namegoeshere: I support her right to control her symptoms by smoking pot.

I do not want her driving.


This.

Driving is not a right, its a privilege. There's not only her safety at stake, but those of her passengers and everyone else on or near the road.

18 Mar 2012 01:44 PM
LabGrrl     
My neurologist recommends a nice large glass of wine if my tremor gets bad. It works amazingly well, better than taking a second propranolol.
I would not expect the cops to take 'but my neurologist said,' if I tried to drive after consuming said large glass of wine.

18 Mar 2012 01:44 PM
flixter     
Driving is not a right.
Take a bus.

18 Mar 2012 01:45 PM
DarwiOdrade     
Given the choice between driving on a road with people aged 70 and above, or driving on a road with people who have been smoking MJ, I'll take the MJ smokers every time.

18 Mar 2012 01:45 PM
The_Sponge    [TotalFark]  

steamingpile: Pot drivers drive slower and are more courteous so sure why not.



Why the hell would I want anyone driving slower? Have you been to the Seattle area? People drive too slow around here all the time...like they're afraid to go 5-10 over on a freeway.

18 Mar 2012 01:46 PM
some_beer_drinker    [TotalFark]  
let her drive. i drive high all the time. it's no big deal.

fark you if you dont like it.

18 Mar 2012 01:47 PM
chaddsfarkprefect     
Just because traces remain in one's body that does not mean a person is impaired. Nearly all drugs appear in hair, cuticles, and spinal fluid long after the affect has worn off.

Drug testing is an unwarranted search when done without probable cause, as in pre-employment screening or randomly on employees. So are DUI stops where they pull over anyone and/or everyone without cause (blanket NYE, Labor Day and Memorial Day checkpoints).

18 Mar 2012 01:48 PM
Atomic Spunk     
I don't give a shiat what kind of disease you do or don't have - if you're going to smoke weed, do not drive a car. That's really the only reasonable stance on this issue.

18 Mar 2012 01:48 PM
Mrtraveler01     

Dreamless: Honest Bender: The suburban Denver woman

No. She should not be allowed to drive. Stoned or otherwise.

LOL. Because she's from Denver, right?


SUBURBAN Denver! Which means she's a soccer mom probably.

That's a deal breaker for me.

18 Mar 2012 01:49 PM
sectorg     
No. Didn't read the article. Don't have to. It's common sense. People who are prone to seizures or have narcolepsy shouldn't be driving. People who have to have to take powerful mind altering prescription drugs shouldn't be either. If the only way you can manage is to inebriate yourself then the answer is no. Smoking weed is not an exact science. You can never be sure whether or not you're dosing properly and are gambling with the lives of everyone else on the road.

I'm not one of those 'driving is a privilege' tools. I know how necessary it is for people to get where they need to go but you are pushing 2 tons of unforgiving steel around at high speeds. I know some people think weed can do everything including resurrect the dead but we all know better.

18 Mar 2012 01:51 PM
odinsposse    [TotalFark]  

The_Sponge: steamingpile: Pot drivers drive slower and are more courteous so sure why not.


Why the hell would I want anyone driving slower? Have you been to the Seattle area? People drive too slow around here all the time...like they're afraid to go 5-10 over on a freeway.


And now you know why.

18 Mar 2012 01:51 PM
Astazha     
According to the article, smoking and driving increases your chances of an accident by 2X.

According to this, texting & driving increases the chance of an accident by 23 times.

According to this, drinking to a BAC of 0.04 and driving increases your chances by 1.4x, and at 0.08 it's 11x

From this I deduce that smoking and driving is like having a drink but still being under the legal limit (say, 0.05 BAC). This is a legal amount of impairment for alcohol, and should be a legal amount of impairment for marijuana.

This article discusses many sources of distracted driving. 80% of accidents were preceded by some kind of distraction: eating, reading, looking for something in or out of the car, changing the radio station, dealing with kids, or any of a great many possibilities. I think we're just focusing on marijuana because it's a drug, and presently illegal. It's important to put risk in perspective with other risks that we accept all the time. This is not a big deal.

18 Mar 2012 01:51 PM
kellynoel     

9beers: In before morons claim that weed doesn't affect your ability to drive.


I smoke every day and I would never, ever dream of getting behind the wheel within 4 hours of smoking.

18 Mar 2012 01:51 PM
lunkhed     
It doesn't make any difference if the drug is legal or otherwise.

Driving impaired is driving impaired, proved by the impairement test. The blood /urine test just shows which drug it is.

Anyone want to drive along the same street as a methodone-head?

18 Mar 2012 01:53 PM
ChuDogg     

steamingpile: Pot drivers drive slower and are more courteous so sure why not.


Just stay out of the passing lane. Potheads.

18 Mar 2012 01:53 PM
Astazha     
Also: driving tired, driving stressed, driving & crying, road rage, etc.

18 Mar 2012 01:53 PM
The_Sponge    [TotalFark]  

some_beer_drinker: let her drive. i drive high all the time. it's no big deal.

fark you if you dont like it.



*Checking profile*

The cops in China must love you.



/Know you're joking.

18 Mar 2012 01:54 PM
onyxruby     
She cant drive unless she is drunk. Read the article first.j

/would that story have ever been posted?

18 Mar 2012 01:55 PM
Take a whiff of my pant leg baby     
screw you, subby, it's my right as an american to voice uninformed opinions.

yes. yes, she should.

18 Mar 2012 01:56 PM
kellynoel     

Astazha: 0% of accidents were preceded by some kind of distraction: eating, reading, looking for something in or out of the car, changing the radio station, dealing with kids, or any of a great many possibilities.


I once caused a horrible accident while farking with my radio. :( It was the bad news bears.

18 Mar 2012 01:56 PM
miltonbabbitt     

steamingpile: Pot drivers drive slower and are more courteous so sure why not.


Yea, worst case scenario: she stops at a stop sign and waits for it to turn green.

18 Mar 2012 01:56 PM
elguerodiablo     

DarwiOdrade: Given the choice between driving on a road with people aged 70 and above, or driving on a road with people who have been smoking MJ, I'll take the MJ smokers every time.


Or males under 25.

Is anyone actually a decent driver?

18 Mar 2012 01:57 PM
ChuDogg     

Astazha: According to the article, smoking and driving increases your chances of an accident by 2X.

According to this, texting & driving increases the chance of an accident by 23 times.

According to this, drinking to a BAC of 0.04 and driving increases your chances by 1.4x, and at 0.08 it's 11x

From this I deduce that smoking and driving is like having a drink but still being under the legal limit (say, 0.05 BAC). This is a legal amount of impairment for alcohol, and should be a legal amount of impairment for marijuana.

This article discusses many sources of distracted driving. 80% of accidents were preceded by some kind of distraction: eating, reading, looking for something in or out of the car, changing the radio station, dealing with kids, or any of a great many possibilities. I think we're just focusing on marijuana because it's a drug, and presently illegal. It's important to put risk in perspective with other risks that we accept all the time. This is not a big deal.


Yeah but you got to calculate smoking and driving the same way they calculate drunk driving: IE every accident that has any passenger in any of the vehicles which may have had a trace of marijuana from the previous week can be determined to be "marijuana related"

Those statistics aren't going to get ramped up by themselves.

18 Mar 2012 01:58 PM
The My Little Pony Killer    [TotalFark]  

sectorg: I'm not one of those 'driving is a privilege' tools. I know how necessary it is for people to get where they need to go but you are pushing 2 tons of unforgiving steel around at high speeds. I know some people think weed can do everything including resurrect the dead but we all know better.


Then you should know that taking the bus is just as good. It is not your right to get out onto the road and risk everyone else's life just because you want to be able to conveniently (that's all your own vehicle affords you: convenience) get from A to B.

18 Mar 2012 01:58 PM
frak21     
I don't know about anyone else, but I've found that pot is an essential component to driving any long distance trip.

Of course, one should be experienced enough that your perceptions aren't noticeably distorted. Catching a good buzz can make a 5 to 8 hour trip go by like it was all of an hour.

If you are an experienced smoker (and a reasonably good driver, with good situational awareness), you're perfectly happy setting the cruise control and amusing yourself with the satellite radio or just watching the world go by. It's also astoundingly effective at preventing you from falling asleep behind the wheel, although that only works for as long as the buzz lasts.

It also works in soul crushing traffic, since pot prevents your soul from being crushed, and you're perfectly happy to drive 15mph in 20 foot lengths all farking day.

I can see how it couldn't work practically, but it has certainly worked for me.

18 Mar 2012 01:58 PM
The My Little Pony Killer    [TotalFark]  

kellynoel: Astazha: 0% of accidents were preceded by some kind of distraction: eating, reading, looking for something in or out of the car, changing the radio station, dealing with kids, or any of a great many possibilities.

I once caused a horrible accident while farking with my radio. :( It was the bad news bears.


One of my friends in high school almost drove us into a ditch shortly after getting her license. She was adjusting the radio station and brought the wheel over with her, just to be sure.

She was dead sober.

18 Mar 2012 02:00 PM
kellynoel     

The My Little Pony Killer: Then you should know that taking the bus is just as good. It is not your right to get out onto the road and risk everyone else's life just because you want to be able to conveniently (that's all your own vehicle affords you: convenience) get from A to B.


I don't advocate driving while impaired, regardless of the substance, but trust me when I tell you that not all regions have reliable public transport.

That said, it's no consolation for somebody whose kid gets killed because some asshole is driving while farked up.

Somebody who can't drive (sober) and lives in a region with no reliable public transport is going to have to go out of his or her way to live near their job (or get a job near where they live), do shopping close to home and all that jazz.

18 Mar 2012 02:01 PM
namegoeshere     

frak21: If you are an experienced smoker (and a reasonably good driver, with good situational awareness), you're perfectly happy setting the cruise control and amusing yourself with the satellite radio or just watching the world go by.


Are you too high right now to understand how farked up this is?

18 Mar 2012 02:02 PM
Dear Jerk     
I was sitting in the back seat, the driver was stoned. I put my fingers on his shoulder and said 'spiders!' He drove us into a ditch and so, yeah, I'm the bad guy.

18 Mar 2012 02:03 PM
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