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LordZorch    [TotalFark]  
"I don't even know what I'm looking for," says Michael Bledsoe, who described months of fruitless job searches as he served customers at a Seattle coffeehouse. The 23-year-old graduated in 2010 with a creative writing degree.

Initially hopeful that his college education would create opportunities, Bledsoe languished for three months before finally taking a job as a barista, a position he has held for the last two years. In the beginning he sent three or four resumes day. But, Bledsoe said, employers questioned his lack of experience or the practical worth of his major. Now he sends a resume once every two weeks or so
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I think I see the problem - he's an idiot.

On the other hand, Boeing is hiring like mad. Perhaps if studied engineering he'd have a nice paycheck coming in every two weeks and he could fritter his time away writing short stories as a hobby...

22 Apr 2012 11:18 AM
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PainInTheASP    [TotalFark]  
DId he take the nose ring out when going to interviews?

Here's a helpful bit of advice that one of my counselors gave me right before I graduated: Go to a supermarket and look around you. If you are going into a career that wil be interacting with the public on a regular basis, these will be the people you will work for. Your hairstyle, jewlery choices, fashion sense all play a role in these people's view of you. It may not be right, but it is a fact.

If you don't fit in with the people you will be working for and around, you better think about trying harder to fit in.

/Needless to say I lost the headbanger look quickly.

22 Apr 2012 11:37 AM
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Spanky McStupid     

LordZorch: Perhaps if studied engineering he'd have a nice paycheck coming in every two weeks and he could fritter his time away writing short stories as a hobby...


But then his self-esteem would be in jeopardy!

22 Apr 2012 11:38 AM
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Mike_LowELL    [TotalFark]  

LordZorch: On the other hand, Boeing is hiring like mad. Perhaps if studied engineering he'd have a nice paycheck coming in every two weeks and he could fritter his time away writing short stories as a hobby...


So if everybody studies engineering, unemployment goes away?

22 Apr 2012 11:46 AM
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clancifer    [TotalFark]  

Mike_LowELL: LordZorch: On the other hand, Boeing is hiring like mad. Perhaps if studied engineering he'd have a nice paycheck coming in every two weeks and he could fritter his time away writing short stories as a hobby...

So if everybody studies engineering, unemployment goes away?


Why yes, of course, but you to simultaneously remove all taxes from the fragile Job Creators™.

22 Apr 2012 11:53 AM
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Fark It    [TotalFark]  
A creative writing degree would be useful if you had maybe done internships for an ad agency, or planned on getting a job with a publisher. Then go after people who hire writers with your resume, references in hand. Where do most creative writers get jobs? How much do they make out of college? These are questions you need to ask yourself no matter what field you're getting in to.

But the snowflake generation doesn't do any of that, they come out of college without any job experience and expect the jobs to fall in their laps.

22 Apr 2012 12:20 PM
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Mike_LowELL    [TotalFark]  

Fark It: But the snowflake generation doesn't do any of that, they come out of college without any job experience and expect the jobs to fall in their laps.


Not going to say this is an original thought, but...

Step 1: Baby Boomer generation tells their children that if they go to school and get a college education, they'll get a good job.
Step 2: Baby Boomer generation wonders out loud why their children don't want to work their way up the chain in pursuit of a good job.

22 Apr 2012 12:27 PM
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WI241TH    [TotalFark]  

LordZorch: On the other hand, Boeing is hiring like mad.


They hire many chemical engineers? 'Cause uh, 8 hours a week at Macy's isn't cutting it these days.

22 Apr 2012 12:49 PM
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p the boiler     
I love the Lib Arts bashing. I get it you were a nerd, people picked on you and now you are an engineer so you want to try to be the bully.

22 Apr 2012 01:04 PM
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antidisestablishmentarianism    [TotalFark]  

Fark It: But the snowflake generation doesn't do any of that, they come out of college without any job experience and expect the jobs to fall in their laps.


In 6th grade we had to do a research paper on what job we wanted, what the demand would be, and what kind of salary we would expect to make. It was a good exercise that we had to repeat in 8th grade. I wanted to be an EE, I had a decent job before I graduated.

Not bashing Lib Arts majors. My brother graduated with a degree in Jazz Therapy and now is working 4 hours a day on a cruise ship, seeing the world while all his meals and lodging are paid for him. If he is smart with his money he can retire from there or at least forge some good relationships with established studio musicians.

My Ex graduated with a degree in stage management and now is a stage manager at our local preforming arts center. She didn't get the job on her first try but she didn't give up. I think she had been out of school for 4 years before she got the job.

TL;DR - It's not the degree, it's the individuals hard work.

/very few good jobs fall into your lap

22 Apr 2012 03:21 PM
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MaudlinMutantMollusk    [TotalFark]  
1 in 2 new graduates are jobless or unemployed. Then again, if they all have creative writing degrees and nose rings like this guy in the article, I can see why

The difference... I do not see it

/copy fail

22 Apr 2012 03:27 PM
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ultrachronic     

MaudlinMutantMollusk: 1 in 2 new graduates are jobless or unemployed. Then again, if they all have creative writing degrees and nose rings like this guy in the article, I can see why

The difference... I do not see it

/copy fail


Was about to mention this.

Jobless is the definition of enemployed, is it not?

22 Apr 2012 03:42 PM
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mc_madness     
Get your kids focused on a healthcare profession.

America is getting fatter and older and Americans generally take shiatty care of themselves.

Healthcare profession jobs are guaranteed bank and fun.

22 Apr 2012 03:44 PM
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Gyrfalcon     
One in two new graduates have to take entry-level jobs while they figure out what they want to do with their lives...just like everyone else.

Only today, people somehow see that as a failure of society, or college, or something.

22 Apr 2012 03:45 PM
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lilplatinum     

mc_madness: America is getting fatter and older and Americans generally take shiatty care of themselves.

Healthcare profession jobs are guaranteed bank and fun.


Yeah, nothing is more fun than dealing with fat old people.

22 Apr 2012 03:45 PM
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joonyer     
So subby, what you're trying to say is....

you either have a job or you don't.

/deep thoughts
//with subby

22 Apr 2012 03:45 PM
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brainlordmesomorph     

ultrachronic: The difference... I do not see it


I think, technically, one must at some point be employed, in order to be unemployed.

otoh, my 3 year old niece is "jobless"

22 Apr 2012 03:47 PM
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Bad_Seed     

ultrachronic: MaudlinMutantMollusk: 1 in 2 new graduates are jobless or unemployed. Then again, if they all have creative writing degrees and nose rings like this guy in the article, I can see why

The difference... I do not see it

/copy fail

Was about to mention this.

Jobless is the definition of enemployed, is it not?


Jobless means you don't have a job. Unemployed means you don't have a job and are also trying to find a job.

22 Apr 2012 03:48 PM
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Kar98     

Mike_LowELL: LordZorch: On the other hand, Boeing is hiring like mad. Perhaps if studied engineering he'd have a nice paycheck coming in every two weeks and he could fritter his time away writing short stories as a hobby...

So if everybody studies engineering, unemployment goes away?


Well, the rise of Western civilization didn't root in being able to draw farking ferns into overpriced coffee, but from the art of building shiat.

22 Apr 2012 03:49 PM
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Fluorescent Testicle     

Fark It: But the snowflake generation doesn't do any of that, they come out of college without any job experience and expect the jobs to fall in their laps.


To be fair, many colleges nowadays don't show much interest in helping their students gain any sort of practical knowledge that might be useful post-graduation, and the recession certainly doesn't help the job situation any. Of course, this douchebag doesn't really apply to any of that, so y'know.

22 Apr 2012 03:49 PM
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chaoswolf     
Double major in theatre and physics dropout here. Now a systems administrator. (Yup, my pay is a bit lower than the average on the curve... no degree, less pay. Still quite comfortable.)

What the hell is wrong with some people? Learn something useful, get paid for it. Learn something useless, serve coffee.

22 Apr 2012 03:50 PM
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lilplatinum     

Kar98: Well, the rise of Western civilization didn't root in being able to draw farking ferns into overpriced coffee, but from the art of building shiat.


More like the art of growing plants, which doesn't indicate that being a farmer is the highest goal today.

22 Apr 2012 03:50 PM
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Dr_luckyz     
I think it is much less about the degree and much more about the lack of effort. I'd say 75% of my employed friends are working a job not directly related to their degree. I'd say 90% of my unemployed friends are either lazy, or think they should be hired as CEO without any experience, and refuse to apply to jobs "below them".

22 Apr 2012 03:50 PM
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CrispFlows     
How long a term is this study? One could argue the scope of the study is too short and may have been skewed to favor a certain result.

22 Apr 2012 03:51 PM
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Kar98     

lilplatinum: Kar98: Well, the rise of Western civilization didn't root in being able to draw farking ferns into overpriced coffee, but from the art of building shiat.

More like the art of growing plants, which doesn't indicate that being a farmer is the highest goal today.


More like, not? You don't build empires by growing cabbages.

22 Apr 2012 03:52 PM
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bingethinker    [TotalFark]  
1 in 2 new graduates are jobless or unemployed.

I think they mean underemployed, as in working as a barista instead of whatever you studied in school.

Sounds like a normal year to me. It's just the precious snowflakes think somebody is going to be waiting at their graduation ceremony with a suitcase full of cash and a key to the executive washroom.

22 Apr 2012 03:53 PM
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lilplatinum     

chaoswolf: What the hell is wrong with some people? Learn something useful, get paid for it. Learn something useless, serve coffee.


Bullshiat, tons of people have lots of success for liberal arts degrees, they just aren't going to get you into a technical job. The problem is there are lots of idiots in liberal arts too who don't give a shiat and are just at college because our dumb society considers it high school part 2.

/poli sci and philosophy
//being a ship broker has nothing to do with those things
///money well spent...

22 Apr 2012 03:53 PM
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Ken VeryBigLiar     

lilplatinum: mc_madness: America is getting fatter and older and Americans generally take shiatty care of themselves.

Healthcare profession jobs are guaranteed bank and fun.

Yeah, nothing is more fun than dealing with fat old people.


Then work compliance, because state and federal regulations aren't getting simpler anytime soon and you'll always have work because the schmucks they're training now to do coding and billing at the for-proftit colleges can barely count to potato.

22 Apr 2012 03:53 PM
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BumpInTheNight     
Meh, my class is graduating in a week and yah a good chunk of them are currently without offers or at least prospects in our field (IT). They are the same chunk though that didn't really try to go above a 3.0 GPA, go for the co-ops or make any networking connections beyind xbox live ID exchanges. They did it to themselves.

/meanwhile I was actually in the position of turning down an unsolicited offer in favour of another I'd already accepted
//gonna love getting back to work

22 Apr 2012 03:54 PM
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Kar98     

bingethinker: 1 in 2 new graduates are jobless or unemployed.

I think they mean underemployed, as in working as a barista instead of whatever you studied in school.

Sounds like a normal year to me. It's just the precious snowflakes think somebody is going to be waiting at their graduation ceremony with a suitcase full of cash and a key to the executive washroom.


Hmmm, funny you should say that...

22 Apr 2012 03:54 PM
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lilplatinum     

Kar98: lilplatinum: Kar98: Well, the rise of Western civilization didn't root in being able to draw farking ferns into overpriced coffee, but from the art of building shiat.

More like the art of growing plants, which doesn't indicate that being a farmer is the highest goal today.

More like, not? You don't build empires by growing cabbages.


The "root" of western civilization was when people stopped being transient and started growing their own food, only then did they start building shiat.

Not that any of that has any bearing on a jobs value today.

22 Apr 2012 03:54 PM
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CrispFlows     

chaoswolf: What the hell is wrong with some people? Learn something useful, get paid for it. Learn something useless, serve coffee.


It depend where you graduate. Some states has a lot of medical school where others, not so much. It wouldn't surprise me if it is difficult for nurses to find jobs in the states where there are a lot of medical schools, especially since the schools do partnered internships with the hospital and retirement homes to give experience to their students.

22 Apr 2012 03:54 PM
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bim1154     
Had to hire someone to help me a while back. One candidate exceeded all of what I needed except had visible face piercings and very controversial tats on the arms. Told him he could have the job if he didn't wear the piercings on the job and wore long sleeve shirts. He hinted around at objecting... I sent him on his way.
Nothing against tats and piercings but can't have it with the clients I deal with.

22 Apr 2012 03:55 PM
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Fluid     
Perhaps the job market is just saturated with graduates?

22 Apr 2012 03:55 PM
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chaoswolf     

lilplatinum: chaoswolf: What the hell is wrong with some people? Learn something useful, get paid for it. Learn something useless, serve coffee.

Bullshiat, tons of people have lots of success for liberal arts degrees, they just aren't going to get you into a technical job. The problem is there are lots of idiots in liberal arts too who don't give a shiat and are just at college because our dumb society considers it high school part 2.

/poli sci and philosophy
//being a ship broker has nothing to do with those things
///money well spent...


So you learned something useful that has nothing to do with your degree and you're well employed because of it? Thanks for backing up my point.

22 Apr 2012 03:56 PM
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Begoggle     
Imagine if you were both jobless AND unemployed.
Maybe the guy with the writing degree could take the author's job.

22 Apr 2012 03:56 PM
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The_Gallant_Gallstone     

Fluid: Perhaps the job market is just saturated with graduates?


No... it's clear that all graduates are entitled parasites scheming to destroy the philosophy of hard work and innovation that made this nation great.

22 Apr 2012 03:57 PM
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Gyrfalcon     

Dr_luckyz: I think it is much less about the degree and much more about the lack of effort. I'd say 75% of my employed friends are working a job not directly related to their degree. I'd say 90% of my unemployed friends are either lazy, or think they should be hired as CEO without any experience, and refuse to apply to jobs "below them".


Part of it has to do with, like the article says, "not knowing what they want to do with themselves." Hell, EVERYONE leaves college and goes "Now what?" to some extent--very few people of any generation, except maybe engineers, left college and dropped right into the workforce. The thing is, you have to take what you did learn and find something to do with it anyway.

Creative writing degree? Go into advertising, technical writing, editing, travel writing, Website writing. Theater arts? Try advertising (again), convention services, commercial display. It requires lots of imagination to rebrand yourself, but it's not impossible. I'm not sure it's "laziness" as much as inability to think outside the box. Of course, that might as well be laziness, if you can only think "Well, my degree is in theater, so I can only get a theater job."

22 Apr 2012 03:57 PM
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itsfullofstars     

LordZorch: On the other hand, Boeing is hiring like mad. Perhaps if studied engineering he'd have a nice paycheck coming in every two weeks and he could fritter his time away writing short stories as a hobby...


I put the blame in two places: the everybody's a winner snowflake mentality which paints every decision a child makes as a good one, and on guidance counselors who insist that the best course of study is what interests you. Most 17 year olds dont know WTF they want to do, especially now.

I remember my guidance counselor, so many years ago, asking me what my college plans were. I told him of the math and engineering I'd be studying he asked "but you are such a good musician, you should major in music!" Idiot.

We need to be telling these kids that there are very few people who are fortunate enough to get paid to do what most people do for beer money at best. We also need to let them know that work is work, and getting paid for something you love isn't always as great as it sounds.

22 Apr 2012 03:57 PM
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thornhill     

Mike_LowELL: LordZorch: On the other hand, Boeing is hiring like mad. Perhaps if studied engineering he'd have a nice paycheck coming in every two weeks and he could fritter his time away writing short stories as a hobby...

So if everybody studies engineering, unemployment goes away?


I have a friend who works for one of the largest aerospace companies as an engineer. He tells me that people are being laid off like crazy because so many government funded projects have been cut (everything from NASA to defense). While these people are finding new jobs at start ups, it's for significantly lower pay and typically requires moving at least several hundred miles. In that industry unless you have a PhD, you pretty much have to start all over again when you change companies.

So while engineering may be a safer college major than art history, things aren't quite as rosy as some here like to make them out to be.

22 Apr 2012 03:57 PM
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joonyer     

LordZorch: "I don't even know what I'm looking for," says Michael Bledsoe, who described months of fruitless job searches as he served customers at a Seattle coffeehouse. The 23-year-old graduated in 2010 with a creative writing degree.

Initially hopeful that his college education would create opportunities, Bledsoe languished for three months before finally taking a job as a barista, a position he has held for the last two years. In the beginning he sent three or four resumes day. But, Bledsoe said, employers questioned his lack of experience or the practical worth of his major. Now he sends a resume once every two weeks or so.

I think I see the problem - he's an idiot.

On the other hand, Boeing is hiring like mad. Perhaps if studied engineering he'd have a nice paycheck coming in every two weeks and he could fritter his time away writing short stories as a hobby...


I think what your sensitive little superego wants is for someone to step up and say "but not everyone can be an engineer. It's too hard and I'm just not as smart as you!".

What they will really say is "I can't be an engineer, I'm not an anal-retentive know-it-all with self-esteem issues".

But I digress, and the broad brush I'm using needs more paint. Guy in the article is obviously a dumbass, but not everything can be answered with a hard science degree. Sorry, Mr. Rand, but the world would really suck without that other side of the human coin.

22 Apr 2012 03:57 PM
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Tchernobog     
As someone with a crw degree, if you can't find a job with it you're a moron. Technical writing is a lucrative, very uncompetitive market. Probably because its boring as all get out, but its a job.

/freelance technical writing is great for extra money.
//still have two jobs so I can get my loans paid back in as little time a possible.

22 Apr 2012 03:58 PM
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The My Little Pony Killer     

Fluid: Perhaps the job market is just saturated with graduates?


But that way doesn't allow all the normals to swing their e-peens.

22 Apr 2012 03:58 PM
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lilplatinum     

chaoswolf: lilplatinum: chaoswolf: What the hell is wrong with some people? Learn something useful, get paid for it. Learn something useless, serve coffee.

Bullshiat, tons of people have lots of success for liberal arts degrees, they just aren't going to get you into a technical job. The problem is there are lots of idiots in liberal arts too who don't give a shiat and are just at college because our dumb society considers it high school part 2.

/poli sci and philosophy
//being a ship broker has nothing to do with those things
///money well spent...

So you learned something useful that has nothing to do with your degree and you're well employed because of it? Thanks for backing up my point.


I learned something fairly useless and my employment is completely unrelated to having it. I was a liberal arts major - the people you were telling to "learn something useful.

22 Apr 2012 03:58 PM
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MayContainHorseGluten     

chaoswolf: Double major in theatre and physics dropout here. Now a systems administrator. (Yup, my pay is a bit lower than the average on the curve... no degree, less pay. Still quite comfortable.)

What the hell is wrong with some people? Learn something useful, get paid for it. Learn something useless, serve coffee.


Nothing's useless in knowledge or skills. What makes something seem useless is if you gain no skills in being able to apply your knowledge and skills. Most people laugh at the degree I got, but the path it took me down led me to work I enjoyed doing, was unique, didn't pay well at first (but paid the bills), then later panned out to make a ton of money.

22 Apr 2012 03:58 PM
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Kumana Wanalaia     
There is a pestilence on this land, nothing is sacred. Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress in this period in history.

22 Apr 2012 03:58 PM
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One Bad Apple    [TotalFark]  

Mike_LowELL: LordZorch: On the other hand, Boeing is hiring like mad. Perhaps if studied engineering he'd have a nice paycheck coming in every two weeks and he could fritter his time away writing short stories as a hobby...

So if everybody studies engineering, unemployment goes away?


i.crackedcdn.com

Of course not

22 Apr 2012 03:59 PM
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lilplatinum     

itsfullofstars: We need to be telling these kids that there are very few people who are fortunate enough to get paid to do what most people do for beer money at best. We also need to let them know that work is work, and getting paid for something you love isn't always as great as it sounds.


Absolutely, grind them down while kids, don't want them to start getting any crazy ideas that they might enjoy their careers or that they won't be working til the day they die to pay for the baby boomers health costs..

22 Apr 2012 03:59 PM
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Warlordtrooper     

Fark It: But the snowflake generation doesn't do any of that, they come out of college without any job experience and expect the jobs to fall in their laps.


.... In order to get the job you need experience
.... In order to get experience you need to be able to get a job


You really don't see the logical problem with this?

22 Apr 2012 04:00 PM
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Digital Communist     
When I was in grade/high school we were led to believe that an arts degree is as difficult, respected and useful as a degree in the sciences. This could not farking be farther from the truth.

If you are a teen, do not waste your life with a degree in sociology or english lit, they are easy for a reason and no one will want to hire your useless ass. Even though it requires actual work, take math or engineering. You can always do arts stuff when it was meant, in your spare time.

Don't worry about taking a business degree, when you fail out of engineering you can take it then like everyone else. Likely make more money than engineering too. If you work hard and finish engineering you can do your masters degree in business and make some serious cash.

There is a lot of creativity in engineering, you get to design and build things that never existed before.

22 Apr 2012 04:00 PM
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