Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: I lived there until 2005, in Tucson. Problem is, I was in graduate school, so I was hanging out with a bunch of liberals the whole time, and most everyone I encountered was a reasonable human being. The weirdos tended to be too left wing. Also, Tucson is practically in another reality compared to much of the state. My in-laws live there too, and I can say he is hard right, ultra conservative (no women in positions of power, etc.) and a dittohead. He eats this shiat up. I think alot of people in his neighborhood could be the same, so even there apparently there are pockets of these loons. I am told that Phoenix is the real problem area.

Thanks. I'm not sure I've ever met someone (at least in the US) who wants to keep women from holding positions of power. Or maybe I have and they just keep quiet about it. To be fair, I grew up and worked in/around DC and am now in Boston for Graduate School, so I come from a region and primarily hang out with people who are pretty far toward the other end of the spectrum, and I probably have just as many assumptions I haven't ever really questioned (such as equality between men and women).

PonceAlyosha: Stefanwulf: PonceAlyosha: Stefanwulf: I feel like this sort of thing is born out of a culture I haven't even begun to comprehend.

You have to remember, the feeling is mutual. Their constructed version of reality excludes by rule any an understanding of any other one.

True. I don't expect they'd understand me either. But my constructed version of reality includes a requirement to try to understand theirs. I'm just not sure how to proceed with that sometimes.

I had a similar discussion with a friend a few hours ago, but about science rather than politics. Being a particle physicist, his views of other fields are...colored by his own idea that he works at the "base line" of material and science and thus knows everything about every other field because he's too pretty for his own good and that has left him with an inflated ego. But the on topic point is, models, especially those of complex behavior, do not "nest" within each other. Your attempt to understand their ideology is exactly what stops you from understanding it. You have to think like your mental verbal representation is 100% correct at all times. Fox and their echo chamber allows this to be reinforced.

This reminds me of the Thomas Kuhne book on scientific revolutions. Within his theory, Kuhne asserted that two scientific theories require complete subscription to a paradigm. Communication between those paradigms are impossible because words take on different meanings within the paradigms.

So, for example, the word socialist would mean two wildly different things between the two groups thus rendering any discussion regarding that topic impossible.

Bontesla: karnal: Bontesla

ghare: Dear President Obama and the Democrats:

Please, I beg you, come out in favor of breathing.

No, I can't let them do that. Do you understand how much more stupidity we would be exposed to?

It may start with Hannity speaking about President Obama's sudden support of breathing. Then Hannity posits, "if Obama is such a big supporter of breathing then why is this the first time we're hearing about it? I mean, everyone agrees that breathing is good so why did it take him so long before he said anything? It isn't hard to show your support for breathing." To demonstrate how easy it is for Obama to support breathing, they will run clips of various Republican congress critters advocating for CPR classes during First Aid week. Then, it'll cut back to Hannity. Now, he's in the company of three bleached blonde "experts" in breathing.

They begin exchanging stories of how they already came out in favor of breathing. To illustrate how easy it is to breathe, camera three zooms in on the chesty blonde in the middle. The other two point out the breathing signs. Then they show a picture of President Obama and comment on the lack of breathing signs. They imply that not only is he waffling on breathing but that he may not even be a breather.

You do not have any right to subject me to this.

Yeah - I don't think he is that big of a supporter of breathing - at least not of breathing clean, fresh air.

See? It isn't that far fetched, Farkers.

I think Obama should endorse Mitt Romney just for the lulz.

Bontesla: FlashHarry: animal color: Fark needs a new tag.

THIS

arizona deserves it more than texas

Now, now. I think there are enough tags for both of them.

Arizona may almost end up taking Florida's tag away.

Almost in the sense that the Florida tag is for a higher degree of stupidity. With an Arizona tag, it wouldn't mean stupidity but rather complete self destruction and proud of it. Its a very dangerous degree of stupid.

HeartBurnKid

As a Californian, I apologize for my neighbor state. It ate lead paint chips as a child.


How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

None, light bulbs were made illegal by the energy Nazis!

PonceAlyosha: Bontesla: for good or for awesome: winterwhile: MSNBC is still on the air????

who watches them?

I watch Maddow. I would love to see a battle of wits with Maddow against every single blonde bimbo on Fox news. It would be like watching a silverback crush grapes.

I'm a huge fan of Maddow and Hayes.

Is it bad that I want to see that arena combat style? You know the Fox Blonde Brigade is 90% silicon and botox so they'd burst like overly filled water balloons.

I really don't think Maddow has it in her to fight as dirty as her opponents. Although, I think the battle could easily be won with a punch to the implants.

karnal: HeartBurnKid

As a Californian, I apologize for my neighbor state. It ate lead paint chips as a child.


How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

None, light bulbs were made illegal by the energy Nazis!

You're earning idiot points at an alarming rate

karnal: HeartBurnKid

As a Californian, I apologize for my neighbor state. It ate lead paint chips as a child.


How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

None, light bulbs were made illegal by the energy Nazis!

And they say conservatives can't do humor.

Dog Welder: Bontesla: karnal: Bontesla

ghare: Dear President Obama and the Democrats:

Please, I beg you, come out in favor of breathing.

No, I can't let them do that. Do you understand how much more stupidity we would be exposed to?

It may start with Hannity speaking about President Obama's sudden support of breathing. Then Hannity posits, "if Obama is such a big supporter of breathing then why is this the first time we're hearing about it? I mean, everyone agrees that breathing is good so why did it take him so long before he said anything? It isn't hard to show your support for breathing." To demonstrate how easy it is for Obama to support breathing, they will run clips of various Republican congress critters advocating for CPR classes during First Aid week. Then, it'll cut back to Hannity. Now, he's in the company of three bleached blonde "experts" in breathing.

They begin exchanging stories of how they already came out in favor of breathing. To illustrate how easy it is to breathe, camera three zooms in on the chesty blonde in the middle. The other two point out the breathing signs. Then they show a picture of President Obama and comment on the lack of breathing signs. They imply that not only is he waffling on breathing but that he may not even be a breather.

You do not have any right to subject me to this.

Yeah - I don't think he is that big of a supporter of breathing - at least not of breathing clean, fresh air.

See? It isn't that far fetched, Farkers.

I think Obama should endorse Mitt Romney just for the lulz.

LOL Bill O'Reilly says, "you can't explain that."

karnal: How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Trick question. Screwing lightbulbs is gay.

NeverDrunk23: Bontesla: FlashHarry: animal color: Fark needs a new tag.

THIS

arizona deserves it more than texas

Now, now. I think there are enough tags for both of them.

Arizona may almost end up taking Florida's tag away.

Almost in the sense that the Florida tag is for a higher degree of stupidity. With an Arizona tag, it wouldn't mean stupidity but rather complete self destruction and proud of it. Its a very dangerous degree of stupid.

Florida's just ignorant. In Arizona, it's intentional.

LordJiro: scarmig: On the flip side, the UN is pretty farking useless, so while I don't think cutting off your head despite your face is a smart move for AZ, giving the UN the finger is pretty cool.

Except this is like blasting yourself in the foot with a shotgun to spite the next-door neighbor for daring to say it might be a good idea to water your garden.

Agreed. If they want to do this, just write something that says, "Regardless what the UN says, we will make our own decisions on these subjects based on what is best for our state. Fark you, UN. You're not the boss of us."

So they could do all the good stuff, but under their own authority and not any non-binding softly-worded letter from the UN.

HallsOfMandos: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Stupid shiat like this is beyond words. All I can come up with is:

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Have been watching ST:TNG on netflix for the last couple weeks now (on Season 3 now) and would like to know which episode that was in if anyone knows? Was lucky enough last night to catch the origin of the Picard facepalm pic (DejaQ).

END Threadjack

I think it is the season 3 episode 'Allegiance', but I'm not 100% on that.

"Any way you want to describe it, Agenda 21 is a direct attack on the middle class and working poor"

Suddenly teabaggers/republicans care about the middle class and poor? whaaaaaa?

CPennypacker

karnal: HeartBurnKid

As a Californian, I apologize for my neighbor state. It ate lead paint chips as a child.


How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

None, light bulbs were made illegal by the energy Nazis!

You're earning idiot points at an alarming rate


Let me know when I can trade them in for a toaster.


/from Los Angeles, right?

Bontesla: PonceAlyosha: Bontesla: for good or for awesome: winterwhile: MSNBC is still on the air????

who watches them?

I watch Maddow. I would love to see a battle of wits with Maddow against every single blonde bimbo on Fox news. It would be like watching a silverback crush grapes.

I'm a huge fan of Maddow and Hayes.

Is it bad that I want to see that arena combat style? You know the Fox Blonde Brigade is 90% silicon and botox so they'd burst like overly filled water balloons.

I really don't think Maddow has it in her to fight as dirty as her opponents. Although, I think the battle could easily be won with a punch to the implants.

ARE YOU NOT EDU-TAINED?

karnal: CPennypacker

karnal: HeartBurnKid

As a Californian, I apologize for my neighbor state. It ate lead paint chips as a child.


How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

None, light bulbs were made illegal by the energy Nazis!

You're earning idiot points at an alarming rate


Let me know when I can trade them in for a toaster.


/from Los Angeles, right?

Los Angeles? I wouldn't go within 50 miles of LA. Ghastly place.

Actually from NY. San Fran is beautiful though.

Crunch61: NeverDrunk23: Bontesla: FlashHarry: animal color: Fark needs a new tag.

THIS

arizona deserves it more than texas

Now, now. I think there are enough tags for both of them.

Arizona may almost end up taking Florida's tag away.

Almost in the sense that the Florida tag is for a higher degree of stupidity. With an Arizona tag, it wouldn't mean stupidity but rather complete self destruction and proud of it. Its a very dangerous degree of stupid.

Florida's just ignorant. In Arizona, it's intentional.

Perhaps. I was thinking the Texas tag would mean ignorant.

The Arizona tag could be spelled backwards to show how the legistilators there are backwards.

PonceAlyosha: Bontesla: PonceAlyosha: Bontesla: for good or for awesome: winterwhile: MSNBC is still on the air????

who watches them?

I watch Maddow. I would love to see a battle of wits with Maddow against every single blonde bimbo on Fox news. It would be like watching a silverback crush grapes.

I'm a huge fan of Maddow and Hayes.

Is it bad that I want to see that arena combat style? You know the Fox Blonde Brigade is 90% silicon and botox so they'd burst like overly filled water balloons.

I really don't think Maddow has it in her to fight as dirty as her opponents. Although, I think the battle could easily be won with a punch to the implants.

ARE YOU NOT EDU-TAINED?

LOL! Okay, you've sold me. I would sell my furniture to see this.

CPennypacker

karnal: CPennypacker

karnal: HeartBurnKid

As a Californian, I apologize for my neighbor state. It ate lead paint chips as a child.


How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

None, light bulbs were made illegal by the energy Nazis!

You're earning idiot points at an alarming rate


Let me know when I can trade them in for a toaster.


/from Los Angeles, right?

Los Angeles? I wouldn't go within 50 miles of LA. Ghastly place.

Actually from NY. San Fran is beautiful though.

Nevermind that - what about my toaster?

"The tea party and conspiracy theorists run the state now, Campbell told msnbc.com.

"You have to help me," he continued. "I have to work around these people every day. I have to read every crazy and stupid proposal they send across my desk. I have to eat lunch with them in the legislature canteen. Every day. It's like being in the primate house at the zoo in there except the poo they fling comes straight out of their mouths."

"I keep silently wondering to myself just how long a sane person can be locked in an asylum before going completely crazy from the sheer overwhelming force of madness all around. Every time I think they've hit rock bottom they somehow drop even lower. Have you seen the shiat they believe, really looked closely at it? I swear, just looking into their wild, crazy eyes sometimes feels like staring into an abyss. Charles Manson has eyes like that. Except no one ever elected him to office in Arizona."

PonceAlyosha: I had a similar discussion with a friend a few hours ago, but about science rather than politics. Being a particle physicist, his views of other fields are...colored by his own idea that he works at the "base line" of material and science and thus knows everything about every other field because he's too pretty for his own good and that has left him with an inflated ego. But the on topic point is, models, especially those of complex behavior, do not "nest" within each other. Your attempt to understand their ideology is exactly what stops you from understanding it. You have to think like your mental verbal representation is 100% correct at all times. Fox and their echo chamber allows this to be reinforced.

So as a side note, totally with you on the irreducibility of all other models to particle physics. And even if you could, I'm not sure any of them would be useful. Describing the way an airplane flies by telling me the state of each particle in each atom in each air molecule near it doesn't actually help me understand lift, and certainly doesn't help me build an airplane.

And on the main topic, you may be on to something. The problem is, if I stop trying to understand other people's views, and just double down on whatever my gut says, it's going to say very different things from theirs. I still won't actually end up experiencing their viewpoint. But that may be okay - I'm not sure experiencing it is the same as understanding it. And as you stated, due to some features of the viewpoint, experiencing it may actually preclude understanding it. That gives me hope that I might still be able to manage understanding from an outside perspective.

karnal: CPennypacker

karnal: CPennypacker

karnal: HeartBurnKid

As a Californian, I apologize for my neighbor state. It ate lead paint chips as a child.


How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

None, light bulbs were made illegal by the energy Nazis!

You're earning idiot points at an alarming rate


Let me know when I can trade them in for a toaster.


/from Los Angeles, right?

Los Angeles? I wouldn't go within 50 miles of LA. Ghastly place.

Actually from NY. San Fran is beautiful though.

Nevermind that - what about my toaster?

I don't think anyone trusts you to operate a toaster, son.

Gordon Bennett

"The tea party and conspiracy theorists run the state now, Campbell told msnbc.com.

"You have to help me," he continued. "I have to work around these people every day. I have to read every crazy and stupid proposal they send across my desk. I have to eat lunch with them in the legislature canteen. Every day. It's like being in the primate house at the zoo in there except the poo they fling comes straight out of their mouths."

"I keep silently wondering to myself just how long a sane person can be locked in an asylum before going completely crazy from the sheer overwhelming force of madness all around. Every time I think they've hit rock bottom they somehow drop even lower. Have you seen the shiat they believe, really looked closely at it? I swear, just looking into their wild, crazy eyes sometimes feels like staring into an abyss. Charles Manson has eyes like that. Except no one ever elected him to office in Arizona."

Yes - it's in the eyes!

I think we should just kick them out of the country and let them destroy their state as they seem hell bent on doing. We can offer asylum to the few sane folks who don't want to go down with the crazy ship. I don't want to have to bail them out when this all comes back to bite them in their paranoid, wrinkly, old asses.

These threads brings out the both sides are bad comments, that's as far as they can go in their apologizing because this shiat is that retarded.

Bontesla: This reminds me of the Thomas Kuhne book on scientific revolutions. Within his theory, Kuhne asserted that two scientific theories require complete subscription to a paradigm. Communication between those paradigms are impossible because words take on different meanings within the paradigms.

So, for example, the word socialist would mean two wildly different things between the two groups thus rendering any discussion regarding that topic impossible.

Exactly. I'm really fascinated by attempts to communicate across paradigms, in part because I've always been interdisciplinary (from undergrad through a career and now in graduate school). In my current position, just trying to figure out how to translate between scientific paradigms is seriously hard, and the sciences have so much less of a paradigm gap than the one between me and the woman who introduced this bill. Translation is often possible, though, if you keep in mind all the different ways each word is used, and the set of underlying assumptions. She may not be interested in understanding what I mean when I say "socialist", but I'm hoping that won't keep me from someday understanding what she means, because it's clearly something very different.

I really, really want this bill to pass. I think the only way to stop some of this right-wing insanity is to allow it to succeed in destroying a state or two. Unfortunately, my state is one that would have a good chance of destroying itself.

peasandcarrots: I was in Arizona in 1999 on a road trip and decided to visit Meteor Crater.

Hah! I wasn't about to pay $10 to see a hole in the ground, so I just had my friend take a picture of my backside with my pants half down in front of the "Home of the first impact crater" sign leading up to the place.

The state of Arizona and all political subdivisions of this state shall not adopt or implement the creed, doctrine, principles or any tenet of the United Nations Rio Declaration on Environment and Development and the Statement of Principles for Sustainable Development adopted at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil in June, 1992 or any other international law that contravenes the United States Constitution or the Constitution of Arizona.

Um. So, the text says "shall not" and not "is not required to" or something similar.

Isn't that...kind of a big farking issue? There are a lot of non-binding principles put forth in that declaration. It would seem silly to put down a blanket statement in law saying "No, we can't/won't do any of those things".

Is everyone in Arizona this farked up? If they keep this up the state will turn blue just to get the crazy out.

They can pry my terrarium from my newts' cold, dead hands!

scarmig: so while I don't think cutting off your head despite your face

Huh. While the saying is actually "to spite your face," this works.

Have they passed legislation prohibiting black helicopters from flying in their airspace yet?

Stefanwulf: Bontesla: This reminds me of the Thomas Kuhne book on scientific revolutions. Within his theory, Kuhne asserted that two scientific theories require complete subscription to a paradigm. Communication between those paradigms are impossible because words take on different meanings within the paradigms.

So, for example, the word socialist would mean two wildly different things between the two groups thus rendering any discussion regarding that topic impossible.

Exactly. I'm really fascinated by attempts to communicate across paradigms, in part because I've always been interdisciplinary (from undergrad through a career and now in graduate school). In my current position, just trying to figure out how to translate between scientific paradigms is seriously hard, and the sciences have so much less of a paradigm gap than the one between me and the woman who introduced this bill. Translation is often possible, though, if you keep in mind all the different ways each word is used, and the set of underlying assumptions. She may not be interested in understanding what I mean when I say "socialist", but I'm hoping that won't keep me from someday understanding what she means, because it's clearly something very different.

I'm also trying to work out what's going on although on a much different scale. I'm working on a theory that the GOP is creating an artificial revolution within the Republican Party. They used the Tea Party members as a catalyst. I'm still working out all of the details but the crux of my argument is that the GOP is working independently of the Tea Party candidates. They each have separate goals and these goals are at odds.

I'm still developing the theory and collecting data so right now - I have no idea if my conclusion is supported. I'm trying to disprove it in order to flush out any correlations, anomalies, and weaknesses.

I should pick a different hobby that feels less like work.

skullkrusher: They can pry my terrarium from my newts' cold, dead hands!

That must be a big terrarium.

Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: They can pry my terrarium from my newts' cold, dead hands!

That must be a big terrarium.

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I had to expand as my newt demanded space for all his mistress newts

skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: They can pry my terrarium from my newts' cold, dead hands!

That must be a big terrarium.

[universenumberfive.files.wordpress.c om image 450x300]

I had to expand as my newt demanded space for all his mistress newts

Space as in "more room" or space as in "on the moon"?

GhostFish: It would seem silly to put down a blanket statement in law saying "No, we can't/won't do any of those things".

It's a bunch of Tea Partiers in Arizona. Did you expect them to not be silly?


On second thought, let us not go to Arizona. It is a silly place.

GhostFish: The state of Arizona and all political subdivisions of this state shall not adopt or implement the creed, doctrine, principles or any tenet of the United Nations Rio Declaration on Environment and Development and the Statement of Principles for Sustainable Development adopted at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil in June, 1992 or any other international law that contravenes the United States Constitution or the Constitution of Arizona.

Um. So, the text says "shall not" and not "is not required to" or something similar.

Isn't that...kind of a big farking issue? There are a lot of non-binding principles put forth in that declaration. It would seem silly to put down a blanket statement in law saying "No, we can't/won't do any of those things".

The Tea Party is dominated by religious zealots and conspiracy theorists. They thing that Agenda 21 is trying to force everyone into human internment camps in order to protect the environment. The irrational fear of the UN is one of the defining hallmarks of the modern conservative.

Citrate1007: Is everyone in Arizona this farked up? If they keep this up the state will turn blue just to get the crazy out.

It's the heat. Their potatoes have been baking too long.

Arizona: Land of dipshiats, morons and bigots.

They are so dedicated against something that has absolutely no chance of happening. They would probably give everyone guns without a background check if they got spooked by their own shadow.

scarmig: On the flip side, the UN is pretty farking useless, so while I don't think cutting off your head despite your face is a smart move for AZ, giving the UN the finger is pretty cool.

How is showing that you're illiterate morons giving the UN the finger. That's like feeling prideful that you took a shiat in your own underwear while performing oral sex on a horse while six Canadians dresses as circus clown peed on you while you gave the UN a finger.

GhostFish: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: They can pry my terrarium from my newts' cold, dead hands!

That must be a big terrarium.

[universenumberfive.files.wordpress.c om image 450x300]

I had to expand as my newt demanded space for all his mistress newts

Space as in "more room" or space as in "on the moon"?

I wish I had Moon Newts. That'd be pretty awesome.

Satanic_Hamster: scarmig: On the flip side, the UN is pretty farking useless, so while I don't think cutting off your head despite your face is a smart move for AZ, giving the UN the finger is pretty cool.

How is showing that you're illiterate morons giving the UN the finger. That's like feeling prideful that you took a shiat in your own underwear while performing oral sex on a horse while six Canadians dresses as circus clown peed on you while you gave the UN a finger.

And yet I'm supposed to feel ashamed for thinking I'm smarter than these people.

Antimatter: GhostFish: The state of Arizona and all political subdivisions of this state shall not adopt or implement the creed, doctrine, principles or any tenet of the United Nations Rio Declaration on Environment and Development and the Statement of Principles for Sustainable Development adopted at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil in June, 1992 or any other international law that contravenes the United States Constitution or the Constitution of Arizona.

Um. So, the text says "shall not" and not "is not required to" or something similar.

Isn't that...kind of a big farking issue? There are a lot of non-binding principles put forth in that declaration. It would seem silly to put down a blanket statement in law saying "No, we can't/won't do any of those things".

The Tea Party is dominated by religious zealots and conspiracy theorists. They thing that Agenda 21 is trying to force everyone into human internment camps in order to protect the environment. The irrational fear of the UN is one of the defining hallmarks of the modern conservative.

I really don't understand it. There's a bizarre pattern of behavior from the Right when it comes to the UN.

They attack the UN for being corrupt and weak, but demand that the UN not be able to do anything against the interests of the US.
So the weakness and corruption that they lament is largely due to their own demands.
And then they laugh at it's ineptitude while reacting fearfully of it's reach and power.

It's just...farking nuts.

Grand_Moff_Joseph: HallsOfMandos: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Stupid shiat like this is beyond words. All I can come up with is:

[picard_wtfisthisshiat.jpg]

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Have been watching ST:TNG on netflix for the last couple weeks now (on Season 3 now) and would like to know which episode that was in if anyone knows? Was lucky enough last night to catch the origin of the Picard facepalm pic (DejaQ).

END Threadjack

I think it is the season 3 episode 'Allegiance', but I'm not 100% on that.

Thank you - will check tonight :)

skullkrusher: GhostFish: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: They can pry my terrarium from my newts' cold, dead hands!

That must be a big terrarium.

[universenumberfive.files.wordpress.c om image 450x300]

I had to expand as my newt demanded space for all his mistress newts

Space as in "more room" or space as in "on the moon"?

I wish I had Moon Newts. That'd be pretty awesome.

You want to be mooned by Newt?

NTTAWWT

GhostFish: Antimatter: GhostFish: The state of Arizona and all political subdivisions of this state shall not adopt or implement the creed, doctrine, principles or any tenet of the United Nations Rio Declaration on Environment and Development and the Statement of Principles for Sustainable Development adopted at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil in June, 1992 or any other international law that contravenes the United States Constitution or the Constitution of Arizona.

Um. So, the text says "shall not" and not "is not required to" or something similar.

Isn't that...kind of a big farking issue? There are a lot of non-binding principles put forth in that declaration. It would seem silly to put down a blanket statement in law saying "No, we can't/won't do any of those things".

The Tea Party is dominated by religious zealots and conspiracy theorists. They thing that Agenda 21 is trying to force everyone into human internment camps in order to protect the environment. The irrational fear of the UN is one of the defining hallmarks of the modern conservative.

I really don't understand it. There's a bizarre pattern of behavior from the Right when it comes to the UN.

They attack the UN for being corrupt and weak, but demand that the UN not be able to do anything against the interests of the US.
So the weakness and corruption that they lament is largely due to their own demands.
And then they laugh at it's ineptitude while reacting fearfully of it's reach and power.

It's just...farking nuts.

It's similar to their approach for government.

Demonize the government for being ineffective, demand the government become less effective (by electing Republicans), lament the ineffectiveness of government, and laugh at its ineptitude while reacting fearfully to its reach and power.