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vossiewulf    [TotalFark]  
Reflective of the pressures on airline pilots to get there on time that they'd even try that. Only commercial pilots, bush pilots, and dangerously crazy private pilots would even consider trying something like that. As a non-crazy private pilot I check the weather and leave it in the hangar on bad days and leave trying crazy-ass crosswind landings for simulators.

27 Apr 2012 12:31 AM
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vygramul    [TotalFark]  
I've landed like that once in a turboprop. It was impressive. Sometimes piloting is an art-form.

27 Apr 2012 01:10 AM
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Dallymo    [TotalFark]  
Complimentary? An airline? Pshaw. New revenue stream, I'd say.

"Take it in crossways...tell the flight attendants to start hawking the Depends."

27 Apr 2012 01:13 AM
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Shadow Blasko    [TotalFark]  
Crabbin like a mofo .. bounce bounce bounce.

27 Apr 2012 02:59 AM
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Atomic Spunk     
CSB...
I flew on a mid sized prop plane that did that as we landed at the airport in Molokai. As we made our descent, we could all feel the tail being pushed sideways. Someone started to yell,"NO NO NO!" followed by a bunch more people yelling,"AHHHH!". The plane landed much like the one in the video - our pilot did a great job. Several of us gave the pilot a round of applause. One woman was a sobbing wreck as we taxied to our stop. She was shaking and wailing loudly. The guy next to me said,"She sounds broken." and chuckled. Actually, that woman provided comic relief.

27 Apr 2012 03:08 AM
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AverageAmericanGuy     
It seems like a direction-configurable runway system could help a whole lot at airports like that. Determine the average direction of the wind, swing the runway to that configuration, then lock it in place when a plane begins its final approach.

Having just flew back from LAX to Narita, I am happy to report no undue turbulence or scary landing. Just rain in Tokyo.

27 Apr 2012 03:18 AM
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RoyBatty    [TotalFark]  
AverageAmericanGuy: It seems like a direction-configurable runway system could help a whole lot at airports like that. Determine the average direction of the wind, swing the runway to that configuration, then lock it in place when a plane begins its final approach.

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27 Apr 2012 03:31 AM
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AverageAmericanGuy     
RoyBatty: AverageAmericanGuy: It seems like a direction-configurable runway system could help a whole lot at airports like that. Determine the average direction of the wind, swing the runway to that configuration, then lock it in place when a plane begins its final approach.

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27 Apr 2012 03:36 AM
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SpaceyCat    [TotalFark]  
The 2nd plane coming in was the worst of the lot. He gave up as he almost missed the runway. O.o

27 Apr 2012 03:41 AM
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some_beer_drinker    [TotalFark]  
damn, some of those guys are AMAZING pilots. well done.

27 Apr 2012 04:21 AM
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Eps05     
Those were either the craziest crosswinds or the most-drunk Russian pilots ever.

27 Apr 2012 05:25 AM
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Zap_Rowsdower     
SpaceyCat: The 2nd plane coming in was the worst of the lot. He gave up as he almost missed the runway. O.o

Thanks for clearing that up.

27 Apr 2012 06:48 AM
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stpauler    [TotalFark]  
Peeper Cam Productions Presents: The World's Sexiest Dangerous Landings.

27 Apr 2012 06:49 AM
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asciibaron     
meh, slipping is common. welcome to flying.

27 Apr 2012 07:31 AM
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DeathByGeekSquad     
Am I the only one who enjoys it when the cabin erupts in applause for excellent landings? Been through some terrible weather during flights, and I've had more than a few pilots handle it like a boss.

27 Apr 2012 07:39 AM
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Grables'Daughter     
Wow those pilots were good.

I wonder how much of their job is just boring and routine... and how often they get to use extreme skill like this.

27 Apr 2012 07:50 AM
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fatbear     
Grables'Daughter: Wow those pilots were good.

I wonder how much of their job is just boring and routine... and how often they get to use extreme skill like this.


99%, 1%.

27 Apr 2012 08:09 AM
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Charlie Freak    [TotalFark]  
Those weren't as bad as they looked - that video was quite sped up.

20 to 30-knot crosswinds aren't all that unusual and the 767 pilot at the end still nailed it (having a higher wing loading and more experienced pilots than the CRJs helps, too).

I love all the WWII-era aux fields RoyBatty posted. Life was certainly easier for airport designers when any plane could take off/land within a few thousand feet and didn't necessarily need concrete to do it.

27 Apr 2012 08:40 AM
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Bit'O'Gristle     
During my training as a private pilot, myself and the trainer were landing a cessna 172 at a small local airport. Winds were gusting up to 40 mph, and we were getting tossed around pretty good. Unfortunately, the runway we were landing on was in a 40 degree crosswind, and with the wind gusting up and down, it felt like we were in a paint shaker. So, we set up the landing, and got on final approach. We were about 14 feet in the air over the runway, flaps down, and set up for a gusty landing. Unfortunately, the wind decided to die at that moment, and we dropped it onto the runway from about 10 feet up. BOOM. We managed not to ground loop it, barely, and upon inspection of the plane, we saw that the right landing gear strut was broken almost all the way through. Good times. I avoid cross wind landings at all costs. Oh, and these pilots are crazy to attempt a landing on this horrible approach airport. I would think it's safer to try to land in a pasture.

27 Apr 2012 10:06 AM
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Grables'Daughter     
Bit'O'Gristle: During my training as a private pilot, myself and the trainer were landing a cessna 172 at a small local airport. Winds were gusting up to 40 mph, and we were getting tossed around pretty good. Unfortunately, the runway we were landing on was in a 40 degree crosswind, and with the wind gusting up and down, it felt like we were in a paint shaker. So, we set up the landing, and got on final approach. We were about 14 feet in the air over the runway, flaps down, and set up for a gusty landing. Unfortunately, the wind decided to die at that moment, and we dropped it onto the runway from about 10 feet up. BOOM. We managed not to ground loop it, barely, and upon inspection of the plane, we saw that the right landing gear strut was broken almost all the way through. Good times. I avoid cross wind landings at all costs. Oh, and these pilots are crazy to attempt a landing on this horrible approach airport. I would think it's safer to try to land in a pasture.

Wow.

What is 'ground loop', please?

27 Apr 2012 10:17 AM
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Donnchadha    [TotalFark]  
AverageAmericanGuy: RoyBatty: AverageAmericanGuy: It seems like a direction-configurable runway system could help a whole lot at airports like that. Determine the average direction of the wind, swing the runway to that configuration, then lock it in place when a plane begins its final approach.

[i.imgur.com image 377x381]
[i.imgur.com image 407x204]
[www.airportjournals.com image 288x252]
[www.airfields-freeman.com image 640x402]
[fearoflanding.com image 410x377]

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I think you were envisioning something a little more like this?

Let's turn all airports into giant moats and retrofit jumbo jets with tailhooks. I'm sure the passengers will get used to it.

27 Apr 2012 10:39 AM
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Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman     
Grables'Daughter: Bit'O'Gristle: During my training as a private pilot, myself and the trainer were landing a cessna 172 at a small local airport. Winds were gusting up to 40 mph, and we were getting tossed around pretty good. Unfortunately, the runway we were landing on was in a 40 degree crosswind, and with the wind gusting up and down, it felt like we were in a paint shaker. So, we set up the landing, and got on final approach. We were about 14 feet in the air over the runway, flaps down, and set up for a gusty landing. Unfortunately, the wind decided to die at that moment, and we dropped it onto the runway from about 10 feet up. BOOM. We managed not to ground loop it, barely, and upon inspection of the plane, we saw that the right landing gear strut was broken almost all the way through. Good times. I avoid cross wind landings at all costs. Oh, and these pilots are crazy to attempt a landing on this horrible approach airport. I would think it's safer to try to land in a pasture.

Wow.

What is 'ground loop', please?


It's when the plane rotates quickly on the ground, which causes the wing going forward to rise and the other to dip. In a worst case scenario, the wing may touch or dig into the ground causing the plane to swing violently or cartwheel.

Link

27 Apr 2012 11:20 AM
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ds_4815     
DeathByGeekSquad: Am I the only one who enjoys it when the cabin erupts in applause for excellent landings? Been through some terrible weather during flights, and I've had more than a few pilots handle it like a boss.

CS,B time: ATL-DTW earlier this year, we took off during a tornado warning (day of the early March outbreak), lightning hit the plane (NBD with the wing rods, I suppose), and we landed in Detroit in a 50 mph or so crosswind. Was sitting among some mission trip people, one guy said on approach, "Well, we've got the prayer, let's hope the pilot has the wing."

27 Apr 2012 11:33 AM
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Charlie Freak    [TotalFark]  
Bit'O'Gristle: During my training as a private pilot, myself and the trainer were landing a cessna 172 at a small local airport. Winds were gusting up to 40 mph, and we were getting tossed around pretty good. Unfortunately, the runway we were landing on was in a 40 degree crosswind, and with the wind gusting up and down, it felt like we were in a paint shaker. So, we set up the landing, and got on final approach. We were about 14 feet in the air over the runway, flaps down, and set up for a gusty landing. Unfortunately, the wind decided to die at that moment, and we dropped it onto the runway from about 10 feet up. BOOM. We managed not to ground loop it, barely, and upon inspection of the plane, we saw that the right landing gear strut was broken almost all the way through. Good times. I avoid cross wind landings at all costs. Oh, and these pilots are crazy to attempt a landing on this horrible approach airport. I would think it's safer to try to land in a pasture.

Got a link to the accident report?

Your CFI should have turned in his certificate. Landing a 172 in a 40-knot crosswind is suicidal and at the very least reckless. And full flaps in a gusting crosswind is another no-no. My guess is he had to do a 709 ride at the local FSDO because a broken strut qualifies as substantial damage, and is a mandatory accident report.

27 Apr 2012 12:04 PM
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thisisyourbrainonFark     
Awesome.

/getting on a plane in a few hours.

27 Apr 2012 12:36 PM
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pxsteel     
Atomic Spunk: CSB...
I flew on a mid sized prop plane that did that as we landed at the airport in Molokai. As we made our descent, we could all feel the tail being pushed sideways. Someone started to yell,"NO NO NO!" followed by a bunch more people yelling,"AHHHH!". The plane landed much like the one in the video - our pilot did a great job. Several of us gave the pilot a round of applause. One woman was a sobbing wreck as we taxied to our stop. She was shaking and wailing loudly. The guy next to me said,"She sounds broken." and chuckled. Actually, that woman provided comic relief.


Was in a Island hopper landing in Maui that was like this. Coming back from the big island to Oahu is like this alot.

27 Apr 2012 12:51 PM
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moike     
Silly plane, you're not a drift racer...

27 Apr 2012 01:12 PM
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RoyBatty    [TotalFark]  
Charlie Freak: Bit'O'Gristle: During my training as a private pilot, myself and the trainer were landing a cessna 172 at a small local airport. Winds were gusting up to 40 mph, and we were getting tossed around pretty good. Unfortunately, the runway we were landing on was in a 40 degree crosswind, and with the wind gusting up and down, it felt like we were in a paint shaker. So, we set up the landing, and got on final approach. We were about 14 feet in the air over the runway, flaps down, and set up for a gusty landing. Unfortunately, the wind decided to die at that moment, and we dropped it onto the runway from about 10 feet up. BOOM. We managed not to ground loop it, barely, and upon inspection of the plane, we saw that the right landing gear strut was broken almost all the way through. Good times. I avoid cross wind landings at all costs. Oh, and these pilots are crazy to attempt a landing on this horrible approach airport. I would think it's safer to try to land in a pasture.

Got a link to the accident report?

Your CFI should have turned in his certificate. Landing a 172 in a 40-knot crosswind is suicidal and at the very least reckless. And full flaps in a gusting crosswind is another no-no. My guess is he had to do a 709 ride at the local FSDO because a broken strut qualifies as substantial damage, and is a mandatory accident report.


I had something similar happen at Hemet a mumble-years ago. I had a fresh pilot's license and was landing a 172 there to go soaring, and just as I was over the threshold, there was a sudden tailwind. So I made a bit of a hard landing, and an instructor pilot in the pattern started chewing me out over the unicom.

Kind of embarrassing and also really frustrating, because damnit, chewing me out over the unicom when he wasn't even in cabin with me?

Anyway, about three minutes later he made a big old splat when he landed and hit the tailwind. Not enough to sproing his airplane. But enough he felt compelled to apologize to me over the unicom.

I had a ton of fun at Hemet. Landed short in a pasture during a soaring lesson. And another time in a 172, I was on short and final when a CDF C-130 literally stole the active runway from me, forcing me to go around. And flying into Hemet underneath the March AFB pattern was also a lot of fun with B-52s and F-16s so close I could just about touch them. (Managed to avoid that.)

27 Apr 2012 01:21 PM
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tillerman35     
Looks like there was a standing wave or rotor right about 100ft AGL just above the numbers. Air is a fluid just like water, just not as dense. Many of the same features can be found in both. When an obstacle impedes the flow of a moving fluid, turbulence will occur. If it's the right kind of obstacle for the right kind of fluid, you can have things like ground troughs, rotors (long sideways vortexes that can be stationary or even "break loose" and tumble along like a rolling cylindar).

The airport where I used to keep my Piper Cherokee had a dense wooded area that ended only a dozen feet or so from the runway. When the wind blew across them, you would either get an area where the wind would "dip" downwards, a 20ft high rotor right along the runway, or a series of rolling rotors that would start at the treeline, cross the runway and then break apart on the nearby hangers. The speed of the wind would determine which would occur.

A guy from the FAA came out one windy day and set up smoke pots along the runway. You could clearly see the rotor spinning like a great big rolling pin, and in the video it would break free from its location and almost bounce along until it hit the buildings.

'Twas pretty cool, but if you didn't know it was coming, making your aircraft suddenly roll, lee wing down, windward wing up, it could be very disconcerting.

They tried to get the land owner to chop down the trees, but he wasn't a fan of the airport being there so he refused. So the FAA just put a NOTAM (notice to airmen) out on the airport that warned of wind shear on blustery days.

27 Apr 2012 01:27 PM
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Slappy McCynical     
Hmmph, Amateurs. Look up videos of jumbos landing at Kai Tak in Hong Kong, You'd think those runways were just permanent, major league, crosswind.

27 Apr 2012 01:34 PM
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Charlie Freak    [TotalFark]  
I was on the return flight of a dual cross country in simulated instrument conditions (I was wearing the Cone of Shame) when we ran headlong into a moderately strong spring cold front. As we got closer, we were getting PIREPs of severe turbulence ahead, so we made a precautionary landing ahead of the really bad stuff in Decorah, IA. The problem was that the winds were howling about 22 knots gusting to 30 out of the southwest and the only runway there is oriented SE-NW.

Because the storms were fairly close, I did a direct entry to the pattern on a left base and I remember overshooting final because our groundspeed on base was WAY hot. I set up for a 3/4 mile final with an extra 5 knots for good measure for the gust factor.

Problem is, DEH is built on a plateau that drops off sharply on the approach end of runway 11, which caused a tremendous loss when I was on short final. So there I am, 100 feet in the air, lose about 10-15 knots and the stall horn is blaring. I decided to go around (and took out my crosswind correction, which started me heading toward a gigantic tree on the east side of the airport proper) and went full throttle - still losing altitude and playing coffin corner on the back side of the curve, trying to not lose any more alt, get some speed, and not hit that farking tree. My instructor is looking at me and says through gritted teeth "Go. Around." And I'm like, "I am!"

I got it under control and finally got some speed and let him do the landing (which required more skill than I had at the time and not a little luck). We tied down and ran in the little shack they called an FBO and waited the storm out.

Later I got to do some awesome IFR on top of the layer thru Minneapolis class B and had a groundspeed of about 60 knots all the way home. Made for a damn long day.

27 Apr 2012 01:44 PM
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vygramul    [TotalFark]  
Donnchadha: AverageAmericanGuy: RoyBatty: AverageAmericanGuy: It seems like a direction-configurable runway system could help a whole lot at airports like that. Determine the average direction of the wind, swing the runway to that configuration, then lock it in place when a plane begins its final approach.

[i.imgur.com image 377x381]
[i.imgur.com image 407x204]
[www.airportjournals.com image 288x252]
[www.airfields-freeman.com image 640x402]
[fearoflanding.com image 410x377]

Like and such as.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]

I think you were envisioning something a little more like this?

Let's turn all airports into giant moats and retrofit jumbo jets with tailhooks. I'm sure the passengers will get used to it.


They won't like facing backwards.

27 Apr 2012 02:38 PM
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alinac     
I'd like to hear the cockpit tapes, "¿Que coño, coño, coño es esto?"

27 Apr 2012 04:16 PM
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jonjr215    [TotalFark]  
Scary video. Funny headline...

27 Apr 2012 04:53 PM
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TyrantII     
SpaceyCat: The 2nd plane coming in was the worst of the lot. He gave up as he almost missed the runway. O.o

I'd say the first was the worst, as he dropped down way too hard as he was running out of runway.

Throttling up and coming around again for another pass might get the passengers a little anxious, but it's the smart and proper thing to do if everything isn't lining up on your initial run.

27 Apr 2012 05:00 PM
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SmellsLikePoo     
Charlie Freak: Those weren't as bad as they looked - that video was quite sped up.

20 to 30-knot crosswinds aren't all that unusual and the 767 pilot at the end still nailed it (having a higher wing loading and more experienced pilots than the CRJs helps, too).

I love all the WWII-era aux fields RoyBatty posted. Life was certainly easier for airport designers when any plane could take off/land within a few thousand feet and didn't necessarily need concrete to do it.


This is why I came in... when you speed up the video, you lose any authority to say "LOOK HOW BAD THE WINDS ARE!"

There have been plenty of great crosswind landing videos of late. Why did this shiat get greenlit?

/Liveleak payin the billz?

27 Apr 2012 05:39 PM
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Coelacanth    [TotalFark]  
I've never flown in my life, and after seeing that, it's a sure bet I never will.

27 Apr 2012 06:20 PM
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ltdanman44     
holy shiatat. how many tires were blown on that landing

28 Apr 2012 10:49 AM
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shastacola     
I would have needed the complimentary underwear, I can just imagine what that felt like. God I hate to fly, I do it, but I hate it.

28 Apr 2012 04:11 PM
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darch     
Kai Tak Hong Kong FTW.

28 Apr 2012 05:31 PM
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Biff Spiffy     
A Cessna 172 is rated for 15 knots crosswind.

I've done it.

Not as much fun as more experienced pilots claim it is.

/I did, however, yell 'woo hoo' after clearing the runway

29 Apr 2012 04:06 AM
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Linux_Yes     
i think it makes flying more interesting. less routine.

29 Apr 2012 01:25 PM
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studebaker hoch     
The passengers aren't supposed to have a better view of the runway than the pilot.

30 Apr 2012 02:42 AM
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