Gee whiz, throwing money at things until they get their way is really out of character for Monsanto.

Monsanto has to be one of the world's slimiest corporations. If an asteroid took out their headquarters, the world would be a better place several milliseconds later, regardless of any collateral damage..

Marcus Aurelius: Monsanto has to be one of the world's slimiest corporations. If an asteroid took out their headquarters, the world would be a better place several milliseconds later, regardless of any collateral damage..

True dat.

Next published research:

Honey Bees: Nature's Flying Kamikaze Scorpion Swarm

I do not see the problem with this. That is how the free market works. If somebody threatens to expose your business practices as detrimental to the existence of the planet, you Oh God, I just can't troll this thread. The link is too depressing.

Not that I want to defend Monsanto's business practices, but I didn't see where Monsanto is responsible for killing bees.

Actual Monsanto ad from the 1960s, when they were selling Agent Orange to the military as a low-toxicity herbicide:

revrendjim: Not that I want to defend Monsanto's business practices, but I didn't see where Monsanto is responsible for killing bees.

They're not. That would be like saying Glock is responsible for killing inner-city youth. They just sell a good portion of the tools that make it possible.

snowjack: revrendjim: Not that I want to defend Monsanto's business practices, but I didn't see where Monsanto is responsible for killing bees.

They're not. That would be like saying Glock is responsible for killing inner-city youth. They just sell a good portion of the tools that make it possible.

I honestly don't know what's killing the bees or if Monsanto's products are involved. I do know, however, that when a scientific research group is owned by an industry then one should ignore any and all "research" they produce.

revrendjim: snowjack: revrendjim: Not that I want to defend Monsanto's business practices, but I didn't see where Monsanto is responsible for killing bees.

They're not. That would be like saying Glock is responsible for killing inner-city youth. They just sell a good portion of the tools that make it possible.

I honestly don't know what's killing the bees or if Monsanto's products are involved. I do know, however, that when a scientific research group is owned by an industry then one should ignore any and all "research" they produce.

And some top quality humans getting the massive payout to sell out...
Not only does this taint anything Beeologics comes out with in the future, it calls everything they have ever done into question...

This is exactly how the Church of $cientology got rid of an anti-cult awareness group. It simply bought up the group.

Now the Cult Awareness Network has gone from "Scientology kills!" to "Scientology is good for you!".

I've seen what happens when bee problems are ignored... if there's any justice in the world, this is what Monsanto will look like in a few months:

Mike_LowELL: Oh God, I just can't troll this thread. The link is too depressing.

Welcome to the future that you helped create, asshole. It doesn't matter if you were "trolling" or not. Because you did nothing to fix the problem, you are as culpable as those who actively caused it.

monsanto has genetically modified corn to produce a bacteria that kills larva called BT. corn borer moths are the target, but bees go through a larva stage, and bees collect pollen which includes corn pollen. the corn pollen stored in the bee hive kills the larva, and the hive collapses. but that is conjecture and unproven, and since monsanto has bought the research company studying the problem, the problem has gone away!

James F. Campbell: Mike_LowELL: Oh God, I just can't troll this thread. The link is too depressing.

Welcome to the future that you helped create, asshole. It doesn't matter if you were "trolling" or not. Because you did nothing to fix the problem, you are as culpable as those who actively caused it.

Your post is kinda weird.

Mike_LowELL: Your post is kinda weird.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the screaming, suffering multitudes of the future. I hope you have a long life.

James F. Campbell: Mike_LowELL: Your post is kinda weird.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the screaming, suffering multitudes of the future. I hope you have a long life.

At least it won't be drowned out by the incessant buzzing noise of bees. So there's that.

/and yet Monsanto allows the mosquito to live. assholes.

Free speech, whatcha gonna do?
They spoke via their money.

Monsanto reminds me of Veridian Dynamics.. only without the wacky antics we can laugh at.

I seem more and more people are adopting a "money trumps all" worldview.

People used to want to leave a better world for their children. Now, they just want to maintain their McMansion lifestyles at any cost and fark the lazy kids.

I often wonder why the Boomer ethics eroded so much from those of their parents. I guess the answer lies in that their parent knew hardship and appreciated what they had. Their children grew up in the 50s/60s, the most prosperous era in modern times. Spoiled and entitled they seem value nothing and for all their talk of "personal responsibility" seem to have no trouble blaming all of their failures on everyone else (illegals, gays, muslims) except themselves.

Now, since they are also the most populous generation they will do whatever it takes to maintain their fantasy even if it means leaving their ancestors with mountains of debt and a poisoned planet.

Step 1: Incorporate and produce research that shows Monsanto is responsible for something bad
Step 2: let Monsanto buy me
Step 3: Profit!


/hopefully they buy crappy research too...

Corporate Self: I seem more and more people are adopting a "money trumps all" worldview.

People used to want to leave a better world for their children. Now, they just want to maintain their McMansion lifestyles at any cost and fark the lazy kids.

I often wonder why the Boomer ethics eroded so much from those of their parents. I guess the answer lies in that their parent knew hardship and appreciated what they had. Their children grew up in the 50s/60s, the most prosperous era in modern times. Spoiled and entitled they seem value nothing and for all their talk of "personal responsibility" seem to have no trouble blaming all of their failures on everyone else (illegals, gays, muslims) except themselves.

Now, since they are also the most populous generation they will do whatever it takes to maintain their fantasy even if it means leaving their ancestors with mountains of debt and a poisoned planet.

You learn quick for a newbie.

Alot of the problems are caused by the beekeepers themselves especially the ones who move colonys around doing pollination for hire. The bees reman stressed from shipping and basically only collecting pollen, NOT nectar. Usually the bee's are fed sugar water or corn syrup during this time. been there done that...

Also Monsanto needs to DIAF.. Ive had farmers kill more colonys than anything like spraying pesticides while the bees are working in the area.

sno man: And some top quality humans getting the massive payout to sell out...
Not only does this taint anything Beeologics comes out with in the future, it calls everything they have ever done into question...

There are now several studies that point to chemical pesticides as having a lot to do with the bee problems. Some of the chemicals we use over here aren't even legal in Europe anymore.

Bees are livestock: Alot of the problems are caused by the beekeepers themselves especially the ones who move colonys around doing pollination for hire. The bees reman stressed from shipping and basically only collecting pollen, NOT nectar. Usually the bee's are fed sugar water or corn syrup during this time. been there done that...

Why don't they maintain colonies on farms? The bees would evolve to suit the area and would most likely develop resistance over time to any chemicals used on nearby fields.

Corporate Self: I seem more and more people are adopting a "money trumps all" worldview.People used to want to leave a better world for their children. Now, they just want to maintain their McMansion lifestyles at any cost and fark the lazy kids.

I often wonder why the Boomer ethics eroded so much from those of their parents. I guess the answer lies in that their parent knew hardship and appreciated what they had. Their children grew up in the 50s/60s, the most prosperous era in modern times. Spoiled and entitled they seem value nothing and for all their talk of "personal responsibility" seem to have no trouble blaming all of their failures on everyone else (illegals, gays, muslims) except themselves.

Now, since they are also the most populous generation they will do whatever it takes to maintain their fantasy even if it means leaving their ancestors with mountains of debt and a poisoned planet.

It's also the generation that got lied to about Vietnam, watched Watergate, and saw crippling inflation in the late 70s. They're parents farked them over plenty too. Maybe this explains their attitude about a lot of things. The epic level of Boomer navel gazing though, is something for which I can't really offer any excuses.

/not a Boomer

Corporate Self: I seem more and more people are adopting a "money trumps all" worldview.

People used to want to leave a better world for their children. Now, they just want to maintain their McMansion lifestyles at any cost and fark the lazy kids.

I often wonder why the Boomer ethics eroded so much from those of their parents. I guess the answer lies in that their parent knew hardship and appreciated what they had. Their children grew up in the 50s/60s, the most prosperous era in modern times. Spoiled and entitled they seem value nothing and for all their talk of "personal responsibility" seem to have no trouble blaming all of their failures on everyone else (illegals, gays, muslims) except themselves.

Now, since they are also the most populous generation they will do whatever it takes to maintain their fantasy even if it means leaving their ancestors with mountains of debt and a poisoned planet.

To put it simply, there's a reason Tom Wolfe dubbed them the "Me Generation" (I find it amusing how they used the same title for the "Millenials", even though it's undeserved).

This is the generation, who is defined primarily by their self-involved qualities. Is there any surprise that they perfected the "I got mine. Fark you!!!" mentality.

Corporate Self: Bees are livestock: Alot of the problems are caused by the beekeepers themselves especially the ones who move colonys around doing pollination for hire. The bees reman stressed from shipping and basically only collecting pollen, NOT nectar. Usually the bee's are fed sugar water or corn syrup during this time. been there done that...

Why don't they maintain colonies on farms? The bees would evolve to suit the area and would most likely develop resistance over time to any chemicals used on nearby fields.

Most people dont want to be beekeeps esp farmers they got enough to do already. 1 acre of almonds trees need about 1 colony of bees for proper polllination. So if you have a few thousand acres of almonds means alot of bee colonys. The last few years the going rate has been 150.00/ colony of bees. We used to haul about 1500 colonys out to CA. for the almonds . We quit because of the BS involved in importing them into the people republic of CA.

Bees are livestock: Corporate Self: Bees are livestock: Alot of the problems are caused by the beekeepers themselves especially the ones who move colonys around doing pollination for hire. The bees reman stressed from shipping and basically only collecting pollen, NOT nectar. Usually the bee's are fed sugar water or corn syrup during this time. been there done that...

Why don't they maintain colonies on farms? The bees would evolve to suit the area and would most likely develop resistance over time to any chemicals used on nearby fields.

Most people dont want to be beekeeps esp farmers they got enough to do already. 1 acre of almonds trees need about 1 colony of bees for proper polllination. So if you have a few thousand acres of almonds means alot of bee colonys. The last few years the going rate has been 150.00/ colony of bees. We used to haul about 1500 colonys out to CA. for the almonds . We quit because of the BS involved in importing them into the people republic of CA.

I see your point. I guess in industrialized agriculture you need to industrialize ancillary area like bees as well in order to keep up sheer scale of it. Still, the old ways of smaller farms and more local vertical integration do have merits. But, its not about feeding people anymore - its about making money.

Corporate Self: Their children grew up in the 50s/60s, the most prosperous era in modern times.

They are starting to die off so the statute of limitations for blame is running out as well.
/Grew up in the 70s.
//still old
//just not THAT old quite yet.

fark the calorie men. fark Monsanto.

Monsanto: We'll sue you for trying to harvest your own seed from your crops for next year, just because your neighbor uses our genetically altered seed, and because cross pollination, yeah

/Because we own that pattern of ATCG

Bees are livestock: Alot of the problems are caused by the beekeepers themselves especially the ones who move colonys around doing pollination for hire. The bees reman stressed from shipping and basically only collecting pollen, NOT nectar. Usually the bee's are fed sugar water or corn syrup during this time. been there done that...

Ah, they're dying from teh diaBEEtus.

/Boomer who gives a fack, and will leave the world as good as or better than he found it.

I hate this story because it's been propagated by these bullshiat sites and filtered down through enough reddit submissions that slightly higher quality sites pick it up. I hate it because Monsanto bought the company last year and natural news network made an imaginary link between that purchase to last month's news story that neonicotinamide seed treatments manufactured by Bayer have been found to be a likely cause. I hate that they say seed treatments which can be applied to genetically engineered or traditionally bred seeds mean that GMOs are responsible for colony collapse. I hate the leaps in logic that it takes to get from A to B, and I really hate that "my team" which is supposed to be the smart guys who believe in science is just as shiatty as those other science deniers. fark.

Mike_LowELL: I do not see the problem with this. That is how the free market works. If somebody threatens to expose your business practices as detrimental to the existence of the planet, you Oh God, I just can't troll this thread. The link is too depressing.

GOD DAMN IT, MONSANTO! STOP BEING TOO EVIL FOR SATIRE!

meathome: To put it simply, there's a reason Tom Wolfe dubbed them the "Me Generation" (I find it amusing how they used the same title for the "Millenials", even though it's undeserved).
This is the generation, who is defined primarily by their self-involved qualities. Is there any surprise that they perfected the "I got mine. Fark you!!!" mentality.

Do you realize how farking retarded you sound saying stuff like that, Generation whatever? I'm a boomer, a young one. I'm a treehugger, I'm poor, I deliberately live my life in a way so that I don't use too much, step on too many toes. I try not to be greedy or self-centered or oblivious to others. And I'm just as affected by the shiatty economy and the take-no-prisoners mentality of everyone around me as you are.

You, on the other hand, sound like a two-year old. And a hateful one at that. How self-centered do you have to be to blame every farking thing around you on someone else? That is exactly how very young children act. But maybe you'll grow up someday. If not, you can just go shopping some more and biatch about how you don't make enough money to buy your 75-inch TV because the farking Boomers ruined everything.

But who cares about you anyway? I'm worried about the bees.

cryinoutloud: meathome: To put it simply, there's a reason Tom Wolfe dubbed them the "Me Generation" (I find it amusing how they used the same title for the "Millenials", even though it's undeserved).
This is the generation, who is defined primarily by their self-involved qualities. Is there any surprise that they perfected the "I got mine. Fark you!!!" mentality.

Do you realize how farking retarded you sound saying stuff like that, Generation whatever? I'm a boomer, a young one. I'm a treehugger, I'm poor, I deliberately live my life in a way so that I don't use too much, step on too many toes. I try not to be greedy or self-centered or oblivious to others. And I'm just as affected by the shiatty economy and the take-no-prisoners mentality of everyone around me as you are.

You, on the other hand, sound like a two-year old. And a hateful one at that. How self-centered do you have to be to blame every farking thing around you on someone else? That is exactly how very young children act. But maybe you'll grow up someday. If not, you can just go shopping some more and biatch about how you don't make enough money to buy your 75-inch TV because the farking Boomers ruined everything.

But who cares about you anyway? I'm worried about the bees.

You are a minority in your generation and I suspect you know it.

Gee, the owners of the company could've just said no.

cryinoutloud: Do you realize how farking retarded you sound saying stuff like that, Generation whatever? I'm a boomer, a young one. I'm a treehugger, I'm poor, I deliberately live my life in a way so that I don't use too much, step on too many toes. I try not to be greedy or self-centered or oblivious to others. And I'm just as affected by the shiatty economy and the take-no-prisoners mentality of everyone around me as you are.

You, on the other hand, sound like a two-year old. And a hateful one at that. How self-centered do you have to be to blame every farking thing around you on someone else? That is exactly how very young children act. But maybe you'll grow up someday. If not, you can just go shopping some more and biatch about how you don't make enough money to buy your 75-inch TV because the farking Boomers ruined everything.


Honestly, fark you.
You might not be part of the immediate problem of a huge generation of selfish idiots, but you're definitely not part of the solution by defending them.
The rest of us are sick of your generation dictating how everything ought to be, and somehow everything always comes back to benefit them, being it cutting taxes for schools and colleges, "conservative" social and economic policies, or just plain attempting to privatize Medicare for everyone under 35. Sick of being told by people who went to college for free in the 70's that we have to work at McDonald's to pay off our student loans, while at the same time biatching we have no industry experience. Sick of being looked down upon when we end up working at McDonald's anyway. Sick and tired of getting blamed for everything that is wrong, despite having little to no control over it.

Worried about the bees? Look at your fellow boomers, who think the almighty dollar is worth more, and any regulation that costs even a single cent is too much of a price to pay to save the bees.

Corporate Self:

Now, since they are also the most populous generation they will do whatever it takes to maintain their fantasy even if it means leaving their ancestors with mountains of debt and a poisoned planet.



Back on topic - when the bees are gone we'll be gone shortly after. No amount of short term profit is worth that.

And the link I missed...

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Corporate Self:

Now, since they are also the most populous generation they will do whatever it takes to maintain their fantasy even if it means leaving their ancestors with mountains of debt and a poisoned planet.



Back on topic - when the bees are gone we'll be gone shortly after. No amount of short term profit is worth that.

The main problem is with honeybees and they're not even native to North America.

I've never once met someone in life who biatched about a particular generation of people who wasn't an utter d-bag.

Has anyone else begun to suspect that Monsanto executives worships Satan? that there is, somewhere within Monsanto headquarters, a perverse alter dedicated to the Prince of Darkness?

Fark_Guy_Rob: I've never once met someone in life who biatched about a particular generation of people who wasn't an utter d-bag.

Yeah, but let's be honest. The boomers do use their superior numbers to control things to be in their favor, unintentionally or not.

Fark_Guy_Rob: I've never once met someone in life who biatched about a particular generation of people who wasn't an utter d-bag.

I call them as I see them. If that makes me an "utter d-bag" then so be it. Denial, delusion, and projection are virtues to a large portion of the "Middle Class" Boomer generation in America.