Anytime I read the words "revered as a model of Christian values", I know for sure that there's a nasty child/sex/financial abuse scandal about to rear its ugly head.

No hand grenades for you feds this time.

At least the Catholic Church doesn't set buildings on fire. They're all about facilitating child abuse, but at least they don't set stuff ablaze.

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Wow. I thought maybe that was shopped, so I googled it. Nice hair.

They missed the memo that the RNC is meeting in Tampa this year.

gimmegimme: At least the Catholic Church doesn't set buildings on fire. They're all about facilitating child abuse, but at least they don't set stuff ablaze.

Well, recently, anyway.

nrdgrl: seems legit....

Umm, what?

I found Waco: The Rules of Engagement interesting.

The best thing to come from the Waco disaster is the made for tv starring Treat Williams. Or was it the dad from Wonder Years? I always get those two mixed up...

I still cannot believe religion is still around.

nrdgrl: seems legit....

@_@

...

:-/

FatalDischarge: I still cannot believe religion is still around.

If there is no god, then people will have to be responsible for what they do and they'll have no way to atone for the harm they cause on this planet.

That's why so many terrible people are so terribly religious.

I used to be a member of a insular religious commune.
It was OK, but that R-23 fiberglass itches like hell.

The article says they've been around for 20 years, I wonder if they were the remnants of the Branch Davidians or some sort of offshoot. It seems like the leader is pulling a bunch of the same shiat Koresh did.

They should just trick them into thinking the Rapture has started by blasting trumpets over a loud speaker.

ongbok: I've heard this said before, but never saw any documentation of it. But I always did think that Koresh did set this up to be a mass suicide by cop type of deal.

It appeared that way to me too. Those people didn't mean anything to him, he'd have no problem killing them.

2wolves:
And the FBI's microphones picking up the nuts talking about spreading the accelerant. Also that Mr. Koresh had used fire on his own building in the past.

Oh yeah, I remember that! That was creepy.

spentmiles: I lived at the Waco compound and survived the siege. I can tell you first hand that there were nothing at all like child abuse going on. We loved those children and loved each other like family. It makes me sick how we were portrayed in the media. You will all have hell to pay when David comes back and makes you atone for your sins.

I believe he's carpooling with Zarquon?

I think the Bush Admin really screwed up when they targeted Koresh. That's one the Bush people will never be able to live down.

This is why all religions need to be policed and survailenced, if not outright banned

sunlion: I think the Bush Admin really screwed up when they targeted Koresh. That's one the Bush people will never be able to live down.

Uhh... The Waco event happened in the early 90's. Bush took office in 2000. Nice troll attempt, though ;)

gimmegimme: FatalDischarge: I still cannot believe religion is still around.

If there is no god, then people will have to be responsible for what they do and they'll have no way to atone for the harm they cause on this planet.

That's why so many terrible people are so terribly religious.

Hmm, I always saw it more as a "being a peasant sucks, but if I rebel against my betters then my cloud mansion won't be built."

nrdgrl: seems legit....

This is the first time I have ever wanted to post the (whatthefarkamireading.jpeg). And here I am on a mobile.

ThrobblefootSpectre: AcneVulgaris: [www.daily-design-news.de image 450x450]

Wow. I thought maybe that was shopped, so I googled it. Nice hair.

Such frightwigs were only possible in the age of CFC propelled hairspray.

spentmiles: I lived at the Waco compound and survived the siege. I can tell you first hand that there were nothing at all like child abuse going on. We loved those children and loved each other like family. It makes me sick how we were portrayed in the media. You will all have hell to pay when David comes back and makes you atone for your sins.

A primer on how to neutralize any entity in the united states of America. Simply accuse the entity of child abuse/terrorism. No trial just an accusation will do.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: sunlion: I think the Bush Admin really screwed up when they targeted Koresh. That's one the Bush people will never be able to live down.

Uhh... The Waco event happened in the early 90's. Bush took office in 2000. Nice troll attempt, though ;)



George H. W. Bush (born 1924), 41st President of the United States (1989-1993)

pueblonative: Oldie but goodie:

What's the best way to pick up a Branch Davidian Chick?

A dustbuster.

I was always partial to:

Did you hear the one about the Branch Davidian flavor of ice cream?

It's called Mt. Carmel, it's chock full of nuts and won't come out of the carton.

cryinoutloud: 2wolves:
And the FBI's microphones picking up the nuts talking about spreading the accelerant. Also that Mr. Koresh had used fire on his own building in the past.

Oh yeah, I remember that! That was creepy.

Think about the FBI story for a minute.

Their claim is they heard the Davidians were prepping to burn the place down and then their response was to punch holes in the building and spray in flammable tear gas.

Does that really make any sense at all?

Silverstaff: pueblonative: Oldie but goodie:

What's the best way to pick up a Branch Davidian Chick?

A dustbuster.

I was always partial to:

Did you hear the one about the Branch Davidian flavor of ice cream?

It's called Mt. Carmel, it's chock full of nuts and won't come out of the carton.

The one I remember getting run into the ground was:

What does Waco stand for?

We ain't coming out!

After the raid the answer was changed to:

What a cook out!

jaytkay: Sudlow: The Feds did just about everything possible to bring about an armed confrontation

Like when those ATF agents blatantly got machine-gunned by the Davidians.Inflammatory!!

Don't start no shiat, won't be no shiat.

The good news is, they have better technology Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The best thing to come from the Waco disaster is the made for tv starring Treat Williams. Or was it the dad from Wonder Years? I always get those two mixed up...

I thought the made for TV movie had Tim Daly as Koresh?

100 Watt Walrus: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: sunlion: I think the Bush Admin really screwed up when they targeted Koresh. That's one the Bush people will never be able to live down.

Uhh... The Waco event happened in the early 90's. Bush took office in 2000. Nice troll attempt, though ;)

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George H. W. Bush (born 1924), 41st President of the United States (1989-1993)

And the Davidian siege was under Clinton,

100 Watt Walrus:

George H. W. Bush (born 1924), 41st President of the United States (1989-1993)

Uh. Bush 41's last day in office was in January 1993.

Well, It's too bad about the kids, but when you're dealing with lice, you have to kill off the nits.

SharkTrager: cryinoutloud: 2wolves:
And the FBI's microphones picking up the nuts talking about spreading the accelerant. Also that Mr. Koresh had used fire on his own building in the past.

Oh yeah, I remember that! That was creepy.

Think about the FBI story for a minute.

Their claim is they heard the Davidians were prepping to burn the place down and then their response was to punch holes in the building and spray in flammable tear gas.

Does that really make any sense at all?

They were trying to disorient and force them out before they could start any fires, from the sound of it.

ariseatex: J. Frank Parnell: 2wolves: Fark It: if the FBI burns the women and children to death this time, too.

Nice troll attempt.

4.5/10

Maybe you didn't know it was later proven they used incendiary grenades which caused the blaze that killed everyone? Or are you saying it's a troll because you don't like to hear truths that interfere with your world view?

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"It's a conspiracy"

And the chief conspirator is apparently the guy that headed up the FBI crimelab and resigned in protest over the coveup. He's the guy narrating this video:

Waco:A New Revelation
http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc id=5510108493532885562

p2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc id=2962656895645965329

SharkTrager: Think about the FBI story for a minute.
Their claim is they heard the Davidians were prepping to burn the place down and then their response was to punch holes in the building and spray in flammable tear gas.
Does that really make any sense at all?

Are you saying they did something stupid, or that the FBI burned the place down? I don't remember all the details, but if Koresh was going to burn the place down, why not try tear gas? Weren't they just trying to get the kids out if they could, and fark everybody else if they didn't come?

I didn't really fault them for that. I thought then, and still mostly do, that if the cops tell you to do something, you just do it and argue it about later. Or else you might end up dead. And so they did.

The fact that Texas exists is proof that God doesn't.

SharkTrager: cryinoutloud: 2wolves:
And the FBI's microphones picking up the nuts talking about spreading the accelerant. Also that Mr. Koresh had used fire on his own building in the past.

Oh yeah, I remember that! That was creepy.

Think about the FBI story for a minute.

Their claim is they heard the Davidians were prepping to burn the place down and then their response was to punch holes in the building and spray in flammable tear gas.

Does that really make any sense at all?

Read the timeline they have of the FBI tapes. It shows the fires started in 3 different parts of the compound simultaneously and they started well after the tear gas had been used.

Link

Jarhead_h: And the chief conspirator is apparently the guy that headed up the FBI crimelab and resigned in protest over the coveup. He's the guy narrating this video:

Sure he is. Totally believable. No, really, We think it's legit!

The way I see it, the Branch Davidians were an apocalyptic sect who were ready to go at any time at the word of Koresh - maybe they hadn't planned to go at the beginning of the siege, but by the end Koresh was ready to go up in flames. The BATF simply made things worse by using flammable flash-bangs and tear gas. Basically a cock-up by all sides, and a situation that was about 95% likely to end badly.

Jarhead_h:

I didn't see Dr. Whitehurst address Mr. Koresh's previous arson. Did I miss it? The two appear to be almost identical in the execution.

Keizer_Ghidorah: SharkTrager: cryinoutloud: 2wolves:
And the FBI's microphones picking up the nuts talking about spreading the accelerant. Also that Mr. Koresh had used fire on his own building in the past.

Oh yeah, I remember that! That was creepy.

Think about the FBI story for a minute.

Their claim is they heard the Davidians were prepping to burn the place down and then their response was to punch holes in the building and spray in flammable tear gas.

Does that really make any sense at all?

They were trying to disorient and force them out before they could start any fires, from the sound of it.

No they actually used known-to-be incendiary tear gas grenades(it's in the instruction booklet that comes in the package with them). The Texas Rangers found them during their forensic investigation. They were later found in an evidence locker deliberately mislabeled "silencer parts." Then there's the FLIR footage that proves the guys pulling triggers during the final siege were shooting at anyone trying to escape. And then there's the best part, the roof of the concrete bunker was blown in with a shaped charge. That's where they found what was left of most of the kids.

I think Bill Hicks put it best:

"They burned these farking people alive. The message they want to convey to you is, state power will always win. We'll paint you as a child molester. We'll paint you as a meth amphetamine manufacturer. We'll say any lie we want over our propaganda machine - the mainstream media - and we'll burn you and your children in your farking home. You stay apathetic, you stay docile, and don't you ever forget, you're free... to do what we tell you."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywDAUz kHybU

*Bill makes mention of Bradley tanks using flamethrowers. That actually HAS been completely disproven.

But enough about the Roman Catholics.

Why are we rehashing Waco, when all that's going on so far here is that they're investigating allegations of child abuse?

As I recall from the Waco debacle, the ATF went in on a weapons warrant, and the child abuse allegations were tossed in afterwards to ensure people really hated the Branch Davidians. There's so far zero evidence here that these folks even have ANY weapons.

But pay no attention to the reasonable hawk flying overhead.

A chance to burn children alive? Janet Reno isn't going to miss this.

ongbok: They should just trick them into thinking the Rapture has started by blasting trumpets over a loud speaker.

Really enjoyed that movie. I thought the ending was a little "thrown together", but, overall, thought it was a good watch.

Jarhead_h:

Still no comment about Mr. Koresh's previous, self admitted, arson?

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A chance to burn children alive? Janet Reno isn't going to miss this.

You're back. How lovely.

Stopped beating your wife?