FTA: "joint letter" ha ha

there's just no viable reason for cannabis to be Schedule I. maybe you could hit Schedule IV...but even that's a stretch.

can we ignore them all and just farking legalize it already???
PERIOD

no, your argument against this is completely worthless.

namatad: can we ignore them all and just farking legalize it already???


You'll have to get those guns away from them first.

The reason why pot will never be legal in the US:

The Cartels don't WANT it legal, because they know, as the Gangsters of the 20s and 30s knew, if you made it legal and erase the stigma, the prices will drop and they will be out of business (at least in that market)

So the Cartels pay off enough politicians to keep it illegal (and therefore keeping the prices high)

Wait, pot is still illegal in BC?

I guess they just don't give a fark because they hardly enforce it.

Mrtraveler01: Wait, pot is still illegal in BC?

I guess they just don't give a fark because they hardly enforce it.

Technically it is illegal in BC, but it's also socially acceptable (espeically around the Vancouver area, where pot use is virtually ignored)

Trance750: The reason why pot will never be legal in the US:

The Cartels don't WANT it legal, because they know, as the Gangsters of the 20s and 30s knew, if you made it legal and erase the stigma, the prices will drop and they will be out of business (at least in that market)

So the Cartels pay off enough politicians to keep it illegal (and therefore keeping the prices high)

What we really need is the nations where it is legal, but where they are tired of US drug tourists, to start putting pressure on us to legalize.

SharkTrager: Trance750: The reason why pot will never be legal in the US:

The Cartels don't WANT it legal, because they know, as the Gangsters of the 20s and 30s knew, if you made it legal and erase the stigma, the prices will drop and they will be out of business (at least in that market)

So the Cartels pay off enough politicians to keep it illegal (and therefore keeping the prices high)

What we really need is the nations where it is legal, but where they are tired of US drug tourists, to start putting pressure on us to legalize.

Agreed totally. I think it should be made legal, but have it follow the same rules as tobacco. You can't buy it unless you are at least 18, blah blah blah

I am convinced that with the added tax winfall, within 10 years we could have a budget surplus again.

Plus the police can then concentrate on the real criminals

Trance750: The reason why pot will never be legal in the US:

The Cartels don't WANT it legal, because they know, as the Gangsters of the 20s and 30s knew, if you made it legal and erase the stigma, the prices will drop and they will be out of business (at least in that market)

So the Cartels pay off enough politicians to keep it illegal (and therefore keeping the prices high)

So vote for the non-incumbent.

Legalize it.

/legalize it.

Savage Belief: Trance750: The reason why pot will never be legal in the US:

The Cartels don't WANT it legal, because they know, as the Gangsters of the 20s and 30s knew, if you made it legal and erase the stigma, the prices will drop and they will be out of business (at least in that market)

So the Cartels pay off enough politicians to keep it illegal (and therefore keeping the prices high)

So vote for the non-incumbent.

Doesn't matter. Republican or Democrat bow before their same corporate masters

Vantango84: Legalize it.

/legalize it.

/This

Trance 750: Doesn't matter. Republican or Democrat bow before their same corporate masters



Don't blame me! I voted for Kodos!"

Trance750: Savage Belief: Trance750: The reason why pot will never be legal in the US:

The Cartels don't WANT it legal, because they know, as the Gangsters of the 20s and 30s knew, if you made it legal and erase the stigma, the prices will drop and they will be out of business (at least in that market)

So the Cartels pay off enough politicians to keep it illegal (and therefore keeping the prices high)

So vote for the non-incumbent.

Doesn't matter. Republican or Democrat bow before their same corporate masters

So don't vote for the Republican or the Democrat?

Trance750: Mrtraveler01: Wait, pot is still illegal in BC?

I guess they just don't give a fark because they hardly enforce it.

Technically it is illegal in BC, but it's also socially acceptable (espeically around the Vancouver area, where pot use is virtually ignored)

Dude, it's illegal EVERYWHERE. Politicians don't have the nutz to get off the fence. It's the only drug that judged by the group it was put in. Every country has anti-marijuana laws, Most are electing to not enforce them in most circumstances. BC ain't no different. No Balls

Nobody in the history of mankind ever died from smoking pot. You may choke on your 4th Taco Bell, but that's the worst that may happen - Ralphie May

Trance750: Savage Belief: Trance750: The reason why pot will never be legal in the US:

The Cartels don't WANT it legal, because they know, as the Gangsters of the 20s and 30s knew, if you made it legal and erase the stigma, the prices will drop and they will be out of business (at least in that market)

So the Cartels pay off enough politicians to keep it illegal (and therefore keeping the prices high)

So vote for the non-incumbent.

Doesn't matter. Republican or Democrat bow before their same corporate masters

Not only do they get revenue from the cartels, but the war on drugs keeps their pockets fat too, and keep the poor in jail, or have to file "felony" on their job applications.

kisseswookies: Trance750: Savage Belief: Trance750: The reason why pot will never be legal in the US:

The Cartels don't WANT it legal, because they know, as the Gangsters of the 20s and 30s knew, if you made it legal and erase the stigma, the prices will drop and they will be out of business (at least in that market)

So the Cartels pay off enough politicians to keep it illegal (and therefore keeping the prices high)

So vote for the non-incumbent.

Doesn't matter. Republican or Democrat bow before their same corporate masters

Not only do they get revenue from the cartels, but the war on drugs keeps their pockets fat too, and keep the poor in jail, or have to file "felony" on their job applications.

Of course they do. Each inmate means added funds. So by all means, keep the jails full.

Also:


the T-shirt

Trance750: The reason why pot will never be legal in the US:

The Cartels don't WANT it legal, because they know, as the Gangsters of the 20s and 30s knew, if you made it legal and erase the stigma, the prices will drop and they will be out of business (at least in that market)

So the Cartels pay off enough politicians to keep it illegal (and therefore keeping the prices high)

But if they don't spread that money around the rest of the world, illegality will wither and die.
The US shoved treaties down a lot of countries' throats in the past, but I would bet the money is no longer adequate.

The times are changing. Keep up or else

The shiat storm if/when Washington State legalizes it this November is gonna be grand.

Mikeyworld: Also:
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the T-shirt

They already do.
Good news is they can't keep up the payments either.

edmo: FTA: "joint letter" ha ha

Link

I was in Vancouver during the week of y2k for a vacation. So i stop in a headshop and buy a new pipe. We chatted with the girl behind the counter for a bit until I felt comfortable to ask her "do you know where I can find anything to fill this up?". She smiles at us like we are lost puppies and says "just walk down commercial (i think) street and ask anybody". So were walking down commercial and I see a panhandler that looks like hes smoking a doob. I ask him if I could get any of that, and he proceeds to lead us to a park 3-4 block off the main street, tells us to wait there and he will be back. I was so excited at getting some bud I didnt even notice it when we walked up, but the whole park was surrounded by limos and other pimp cars. Also theres a whole bunch a old fat guys with see-thru sock playing bocce ball. At this point Grizz (the vagrant) returns with another guy who is leading 3-4 wolves on a leash. The guy informs me he breeds 90% wolves with huskies or something thing like that. Anyhow, the wolves are grizzled and their owner does not look the type of guy to shower animals with love, so Im starting to get a bit nervous. Then one of the wolf/dogs stares me in the eye and starts growling. Yikes! Well the wolf only proceeds to lift his leg and piss all over the vagrants bedroll and pack. I get my weed (like $40us for a 1/2 of REAL BCs, nice) and am informed by Grizz that yes, these are mobsters playing bocce ball.

/csb

Politicians and Organized Crime both feed on the middle class.
They just got a lesson on letting the Bankers nearly kill their goose.

Something has gotta go back.

The Prime Minister's admission that the present prohibitionist policies are a failure, weeks after passing legislation cranking up the mandatory minimum sentences for various trafficking offences, is ha-ha-only-sad. He knows it's not working, but his ideology prevents him from considering any framework for managing drugs and addictions other than complete prohibition and criminalization.

SharkTrager: What we really need is the nations where it is legal, but where they are tired of US drug tourists, to start putting pressure on us to legalize.

fox was going to legalize carry weight in mexico. until bush 2.0 put pressure on him to drop it. and look how well that has worked out??
mexico should legal ALL drugs, ALL amounts.
at least attempt to enforce selling the drugs in drugs stores.
give the drug stores some incentives to do this and to collect taxes. hell, just tax the drugs like all other products. TADA.
focus all the law enforcement on people who sell drugs to kids. ignore the US completely.

intended consequences?
HUGE influx of drug vacation destination
increased revenue from drug related tourist arrests (driving while drugged, public disturbance.
increased all inclusives which along with food and drink, will now provide a cornucopia of other enhancements

why fly to Amsterdam when mexico is so close ??

Trance750: SharkTrager: Trance750: The reason why pot will never be legal in the US:

The Cartels don't WANT it legal, because they know, as the Gangsters of the 20s and 30s knew, if you made it legal and erase the stigma, the prices will drop and they will be out of business (at least in that market)

So the Cartels pay off enough politicians to keep it illegal (and therefore keeping the prices high)

What we really need is the nations where it is legal, but where they are tired of US drug tourists, to start putting pressure on us to legalize.

Agreed totally. I think it should be made legal, but have it follow the same rules as tobacco. You can't buy it unless you are at least 18, blah blah blah


What percentage of the current market for weed is comprised of under-18s, do you think? I'd bet it's between a third and a half.

Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: The shiat storm if/when Washington State legalizes it this November is gonna be grand.

Except no matter who wins the White House the feds will go after the sellers/growers with a vengeance.

namatad: can we ignore them all and just farking legalize it already???
PERIOD



Think of the lawyers! Who will take care of them, feed them, cloth them? We can not forget about our lawyers.

tirob: What percentage of the current market for weed is comprised of under-18s, do you think? I'd bet it's between a third and a half.

Nope. They have moved on to other drugs.

PlatinumDragon: The Prime Minister's admission that the present prohibitionist policies are a failure, weeks after passing legislation cranking up the mandatory minimum sentences for various trafficking offences, is ha-ha-only-sad. He knows it's not working, but his ideology prevents him from considering any framework for managing drugs and addictions other than complete prohibition and criminalization.

This is what happens when you allow blind party rhetoric to cloud your common sense

PlatinumDragon: The Prime Minister's admission that the present prohibitionist policies are a failure, weeks after passing legislation cranking up the mandatory minimum sentences for various trafficking offences, is ha-ha-only-sad. He knows it's not working, but his ideology prevents him from considering any framework for managing drugs and addictions other than complete prohibition and criminalization.

he signed something into law which he admits is a complete failure and will do nothing but make the failed system worse?
death penalty. no appeal.

would go a LONG way to solving the problem

infact
we need to measure the laws NOT in how many tons were removed from the street, BUT the price per ounce/gram/what not.
if the price is about the same after 1 year, you must repeal the law. period.
nope, you dont get more time ...

drugs are purer, stronger, more varied and CHEAPER than ever before.
so WHY are they still illegal?
your prohibition has DONE NOTHING but make drug lords and their puppets (cops, DAs, prison guards) rich.
farkem

david_gaithersburg: namatad: can we ignore them all and just farking legalize it already???
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Think of the lawyers! Who will take care of them, feed them, cloth them? We can not forget about our lawyers.

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I am so confused. why did you leave off bush 2.0?
why did you leave off all the other goptards who have done drugs?
are you saying that only dems would suffer from repeal??

bwhahahahahahaha

/yes, I know 2.0 couldnt get into law school and only got an mba ... thank god we had an MBA president!! LOL

namatad: david_gaithersburg: namatad: can we ignore them all and just farking legalize it already???
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I am so confused. why did you leave off bush 2.0?
why did you leave off all the other goptards who have done drugs?
are you saying that only dems would suffer from repeal??

bwhahahahahahaha

/yes, I know 2.0 couldnt get into law school and only got an mba ... thank god we had an MBA president!! LOL

At least Obama's daddy didn't buy his degree for him.

Legalise it, tax it, regulate it where necessary.

End the militarisation of the police force, stop ruining innocent lives and drive the cartels out of business.

/It'll never happen.

Fluorescent Testicle: Legalise it, tax it, regulate it where necessary.

End the militarisation of the police force, stop ruining innocent lives and drive the cartels out of business.

/It'll never happen.

Nope and for the reasons previously mentioned

Trance750: The reason why pot will never be legal in the US:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug _trafficking

tirob: Trance750: SharkTrager: Trance750: The reason why pot will never be legal in the US:

The Cartels don't WANT it legal, So the Cartels pay off enough politicians to keep it illegal What we really need is nations to start putting pressure on us to legalize.

Agreed totally. I think it should be made legal, but have it follow the same rules as tobacco. You can't buy it unless you are at least 18, blah blah blah


What percentage of the current market for weed is comprised of under-18s, do you think? I'd bet it's between a third and a half.

Do definitely underestimate the dedication of the mature pothead. More people who are over 18 smoke than those under. The propaganda has worked on our youth. Many are afraid of it. High school is still a battleground for jocks/heads, just less defined.

Trance750: The reason why pot will never be legal in the US:

Because you can grow your own, meaning the government can't tax it.

namatad: david_gaithersburg: namatad: can we ignore them all and just farking legalize it already???
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I am so confused. why did you leave off bush 2.0?
why did you leave off all the other goptards who have done drugs?
are you saying that only dems would suffer from repeal??

bwhahahahahahaha

/yes, I know 2.0 couldnt get into law school and only got an mba ... thank god we had an MBA president!! LOL

.
.
The Republicans get real jobs and employ people and make things. All of the Dems are lawyers, all of them, every single last one of them. Their specialty is stealing from the poor to give to themselves. But you love them all the same because the koolaide is oh so fine.

We need a "spliffy" tag for these kind of stories.

the sad part of all this is that we all KNOW cannabis shouldn't be Schedule I. the science backs us up and Portugal and other countries have found other, better ways to deal with hard drugs and addiciton. NONE of the data supports our current anti-drug policies. In fact, all the information we've got says we need to change our entire approach. Voter support for making cannabis legal is there, industry support is there.

But we won't change our policies. Instead we keep doing the same things that we KNOW don't work, each time hoping that THIS time things will change. that, I believe, is the classic definition of insanity. the only other explaination I can think off tends to veer off into conspiracy theory territory...so I'm going to stick with insanity and just go from there.

Mikeyworld: tirob: Trance750: SharkTrager: Trance750: The reason why pot will never be legal in the US:

The Cartels don't WANT it legal, So the Cartels pay off enough politicians to keep it illegal What we really need is nations to start putting pressure on us to legalize.

Agreed totally. I think it should be made legal, but have it follow the same rules as tobacco. You can't buy it unless you are at least 18, blah blah blah


What percentage of the current market for weed is comprised of under-18s, do you think? I'd bet it's between a third and a half.

Do definitely underestimate the dedication of the mature pothead. More people who are over 18 smoke than those under. The propaganda has worked on our youth. Many are afraid of it. High school is still a battleground for jocks/heads, just less defined.

Correct. Don't buy into those cheesy 80s anti-pot commercial that show Jimmy just sitting on a sofa and staring out into space.

For the most part your recreational users are very intelligent and functional.

Ending prohibition also ended drunken domestic violence.

Obama already said he's not going to legalize it. Don't know if he's open to decriminalization.

It's very disappointing.

tekmo: Trance750: The reason why pot will never be legal in the US:

Because you can grow your own, meaning the government can't tax it.

You can grow your own tobacco as well as well as make your own hooch

/Next contestant. Jimmy

Trance750: SharkTrager: Trance750: The reason why pot will never be legal in the US:

The Cartels don't WANT it legal, because they know, as the Gangsters of the 20s and 30s knew, if you made it legal and erase the stigma, the prices will drop and they will be out of business (at least in that market)

So the Cartels pay off enough politicians to keep it illegal (and therefore keeping the prices high)

What we really need is the nations where it is legal, but where they are tired of US drug tourists, to start putting pressure on us to legalize.

Agreed totally. I think it should be made legal, but have it follow the same rules as tobacco. You can't buy it unless you are at least 18, blah blah blah

I am convinced that with the added tax winfall, within 10 years we could have a budget surplus again.

Plus the police can then concentrate on the real criminals

I'll agree with most of this though I like the same rules that apply to alcohol rather than tobacco be applied to cannibis.

I'm not yet ready to work with a bunch of stoners after their third "smoke break" when it isn't even noon yet. Most people who use alcohol are smart enough to curb their use during working hours since it is a fireable offense- tobacco: not so.

clowncar on fire: Trance750: SharkTrager: Trance750: The reason why pot will never be legal in the US:

The Cartels don't WANT it legal, because they know, as the Gangsters of the 20s and 30s knew, if you made it legal and erase the stigma, the prices will drop and they will be out of business (at least in that market)

So the Cartels pay off enough politicians to keep it illegal (and therefore keeping the prices high)

What we really need is the nations where it is legal, but where they are tired of US drug tourists, to start putting pressure on us to legalize.

Agreed totally. I think it should be made legal, but have it follow the same rules as tobacco. You can't buy it unless you are at least 18, blah blah blah

I am convinced that with the added tax winfall, within 10 years we could have a budget surplus again.

Plus the police can then concentrate on the real criminals

I'll agree with most of this though I like the same rules that apply to alcohol rather than tobacco be applied to cannibis.

I'm not yet ready to work with a bunch of stoners after their third "smoke break" when it isn't even noon yet. Most people who use alcohol are smart enough to curb their use during working hours since it is a fireable offense- tobacco: not so.

Are you really sure about that. A few people from my office were escorted out for drinking on the job.