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NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Overfiend: As a Wisconsin resident, I would be happy to have the U.P. be part of our great state.

You can have Packer country, which is pretty much everything west of Marquette. Escanaba.

Escanaba has the western UP's only CBS affil, which is basically the Green Bay station with weather cut-ins and local ads during station breaks.

cyberspacedout: The peninsula could just start sucking up to the government of Wisconsin and ask to join their state. Then we all wouldn't have to buy new flags.

They're all Packer fans anyway. GFY's, U.P.

dennysgod: robbrie: Good riddance!!! The UP is Alabama, only with a lot more snow.

/metro Detroiter
//not born here
///been to the UP exactly once and that was for a work conference

It's obvious you're not from Michigan otherwise you'd know that south central (just south of Lansing) is the "Alabama" of Michigan.

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Harold?

DrBear: Escanaba has the western UP's only CBS affil, which is basically the Green Bay station with weather cut-ins and local ads during station breaks.

But that's where we have our state fairgrounds.....life in east-central U.P. loses significance without the state fair!

RandomAxe: Michigan is nice in a lot of ways. Don't get me wrong.

I've heard that the trees there are just the right height.

LL316: They're all Packer fans anyway. GFY's, U.P.

Are not. Troll.

Happy to see the Yoopers represent. Gives me a chance to favorite you so I know where you're from in the future.

dennysgod: robbrie: Good riddance!!! The UP is Alabama, only with a lot more snow.

/metro Detroiter
//not born here
///been to the UP exactly once and that was for a work conference

It's obvious you're not from Michigan otherwise you'd know that south central (just south of Lansing) is the "Alabama" of Michigan.

My only problem with that map is that both Flint and Saginaw have just as many gangsters as Detroit.

/there are plenty of wannabes, though

Approves

AcademGreen: Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

Atricle IV Sec 3 of the US Constitution:

 New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

I'm impressed someone actually knows the constitution. You have no business here in Fark.

slayer199: We fought a war with Ohio over Toledo (why anyone wanted Toledo, I can't imagine). The U.P. was our consolation prize. It worked out well considering the mines in the U.P.

As for succession...not going to happen. I can't imagine the rest of the state going along with it.

Ahh, yes, the Toledo War, in which two militias pretty much failed to find each other in the swampy Toledo Strip. If I remember my history correctly, one guy got stabbed in a bar brawl. That was about as violent as the war got.

If only all wars worked out that way.

asscorethethird: fark Michigan, They should just merge with Wisconsin. We have beer and cheese.

They should merge with the northern third of Wisconsin and form the largest economic and cultural wasteland in the Midwest.

farkityfarker: I've heard that the trees there are just the right height.

That is, in fact, a pretty fitting summation.

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!:
We have our own song, tyvm. Link

What da hell's wrong with This one?

Gyrfalcon: Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

Why not?

No Cal and So Cal have been discussing it for years. Just depends on if the public vote allows it.

So has far northern CA and parts of Oregon into the state of "Jefferson", but there's not much talk about it anymore as most of the proponents are long dead.

Holy Wah!

dennysgod: It's obvious you're not from Michigan otherwise you'd know that south central (just south of Lansing) is the "Alabama" of Michigan.

I love that map. My dad is from the "Dutch People" area, and my mom is from the "Bible Belt"--though, in all honesty, I don't see much of a cultural difference between the two.

/They got better; they left Michigan.
//My cool, science-loving aunt and uncle moved from the Bible Belt to the UP. Also a good move.

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Two_Noodles:
Sweet hoooome Yoopabama!
Where the Skies are sooo blue!

/rocks out

We have our own song, tyvm. Link

That song sucks. It combines all the worst elements of Springsteen and Bob Seger. Pretty Country though, so I hope you get adopted by a better musician.

Last year in California there was a supervisor from Riverside County who proposed a new state with 13 counties in the southeastern part of the state. IIRC, few people took it seriously.

Sliding Carp: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!:
We have our own song, tyvm. Link

What da hell's wrong with This one?

It isn't turdy point buck or if she farts on da firs date (she's a keeper).

51st state? No.

11th Canadian province? Yes.

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Meh, they are welcome to go. The landscape looks like Mars and the only point of interest is Tahquamenon Falls, unless you really, really like copper and fish.
We'll keep the fudge, thanks.

Wut.

Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.
Doesn't part of Texas's treaty to leave Mexico and join the US say it can split into 4 states if it wants to?

/expected them to do that in 2000 to put extra electors into the Electoral College if Bush v Gore didn't go the way they wanted in 2000.

so 3 rows of 17 stars on the flag now?

Gyrfalcon: Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

Why not?

No Cal and So Cal have been discussing it for years. Just depends on if the public vote allows it.

Totally laughable. Who wouldn't want to make a new state for themselves in a sparsely populated area, giving them two senators with overwhelmingly disproportionate representation? It's a blatant cry of "I like democracy so long as I get my way."

The Senate is just another pathetic old compromise to the wealthy Southern slavers. It needs to be completely reworked, but can't be.

They should call themselves "Eastconsin"

Forty-Two: dennysgod: It's obvious you're not from Michigan otherwise you'd know that south central (just south of Lansing) is the "Alabama" of Michigan.

I love that map. My dad is from the "Dutch People" area, and my mom is from the "Bible Belt"--though, in all honesty, I don't see much of a cultural difference between the two.

/They got better; they left Michigan.
//My cool, science-loving aunt and uncle moved from the Bible Belt to the UP. Also a good move.

I grew up in the Confederate area and sadly it's spot on, luckily I got out before I was issued the Stars and Bars front plate.

Was in Manistique this winter (hospital being built). Hot bartender at the new bar, forgot the name. Lots of nice big houses on the lake for sale. Good place to raise kids I would think, although the lady at Big Boy or Dennys or whatever stated the obvious, all the young people leave. Would like to retire someplace like that, won't have to utter "get of my lawn" that often.

Two_Noodles: They want to name themselves "Superior".

Which would be one of those natural "name means the opposite of what it is" things.

Next, Ted Nugent for governor, and the Michigan Militia for the state national guard.

eventhelosers: Was in Manistique this winter (hospital being built). Hot bartender at the new bar, forgot the name. Lots of nice big houses on the lake for sale. Good place to raise kids I would think, although the lady at Big Boy or Dennys or whatever stated the obvious, all the young people leave. Would like to retire someplace like that, won't have to utter "get of my lawn" that often.

Hawt hot or turdy pouns skinnier dan da udder unmarried snowbunnies wit teeth hot?

slayer199: We fought a war with Ohio over Toledo (why anyone wanted Toledo, I can't imagine). The U.P. was our consolation prize. It worked out well considering the mines in the U.P.



Saw this on an episode of "How the States Were Made". Toledo was considered a big deal when it came for trade and travel on the Great Lakes. Ohio wouldn't let Michigan be admitted unless they gave up Toledo.

leevis: Gyrfalcon: Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

Why not?

No Cal and So Cal have been discussing it for years. Just depends on if the public vote allows it.

It has nothing to do with the public allowing it. It takes an act of congress to create a new state. Texas' constitution gives it the power to split up into five states but it won't happen unless the feds give the okay.

Texas' right to split into five states is written into Federal law as a condition of annexation. Any other state can split itself with Congress' permission. Any group of states can redistribute territory as they please or create new states within their midst, with Congressional approval and the approval of all state legislatures. For example, a Lower New York can be carved out of the New York metro area that currently covers New York, Connecticut and New Jersey if all three states agree to it and Congress approves.

From outside, it appears that the only part of Texas that is not "more Texan than thou" is the state's capital, Austin, so a breakup is unlikely.

Hell yeaz!

/Live in Iron Mountain
//Kids are Kingsford Flivvers

namatad: AcademGreen: Atricle IV Sec 3 of the US Constitution:

 New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

well the AWESOME part is that the GOP in congress will be TOTALLY supportive of any and all new states. right?
RIGHT??
Because states' rights are so important?!!@ LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Perhaps. Michigan is a narrowly Democratic state. The UP is strongly Democratic. Split the UP from the rest of the state, then instead of two Democratic senators as the norm, there will be two Democrats from the UP and two Republicans from the Lower Peninsula. The GOP would also gain the majority of electoral votes from present-day Michigan, where now it does not.

Yamaneko2: namatad: AcademGreen: Atricle IV Sec 3 of the US Constitution:

 New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

well the AWESOME part is that the GOP in congress will be TOTALLY supportive of any and all new states. right?
RIGHT??
Because states' rights are so important?!!@ LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Perhaps. Michigan is a narrowly Democratic state. The UP is strongly Democratic. Split the UP from the rest of the state, then instead of two Democratic senators as the norm, there will be two Democrats from the UP and two Republicans from the Lower Peninsula. The GOP would also gain the majority of electoral votes from present-day Michigan, where now it does not.

Detroit is pretty hardcore Democratic. To their dismay, if you look at elected officials like Coleman Young and Kwame Kilpatrick. But with the UAW throughout southeast Michigan, that's a firm Democratic base.

Ja der hey.

/if you live there, you know what I mean

KarmaSpork: Ja der hey.

/if you live there, you know what I mean

You took 75 south and forgot how to turn around?

/That must have been a good bender.

50 equal-population states.

demaL-demaL-yeH:
You took 75 south and forgot how to turn around?

/That must have been a good bender.

Can't say I miss climbing under trailers in 60 below to free up the brakes with a mini torch. I haven't seen snow in a year, and life is good!

sharkbeagle: so 3 rows of 17 stars on the flag now?

Do whatever you want Michigan, but I'm not buying a new flag.

theorellior: 50 equal-population states.

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There's also a proposal for 38 states, with borders that reflect cultural similarities.

goatleggedfellow: Gyrfalcon: Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

Why not?

No Cal and So Cal have been discussing it for years. Just depends on if the public vote allows it.

Totally laughable. Who wouldn't want to make a new state for themselves in a sparsely populated area, giving them two senators with overwhelmingly disproportionate representation? It's a blatant cry of "I like democracy so long as I get my way."

The Senate is just another pathetic old compromise to the wealthy Southern slavers. It needs to be completely reworked, but can't be.

Sparsley? Don't know about that, depending on where the division is. Some want San Francisco area to be part of the north, all the way down to Fresno, some don't. But if population is an issue, look how many people live in the Dakotas, Wyoming and Alaska and they're states. They have counties larger than some eastern states.

True History of the Upper Peninsula War

I wish NY would do this, so we could lose that festering pustule that is NYC.

Forty-Two: dennysgod: It's obvious you're not from Michigan otherwise you'd know that south central (just south of Lansing) is the "Alabama" of Michigan.

I love that map. My dad is from the "Dutch People" area, and my mom is from the "Bible Belt"--though, in all honesty, I don't see much of a cultural difference between the two.

/They got better; they left Michigan.
//My cool, science-loving aunt and uncle moved from the Bible Belt to the UP. Also a good move.

I live in the "claims to be from detroit" section. Its true; they do, and many even get tattoos and shiat about it without ever living there.

Zero economic engine outside of an abandoned mining industry. Go for it, it'll keep the snow cows from migrating downstate once they graduate from Tech.

demaL-demaL-yeH: Sliding Carp: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!:
We have our own song, tyvm. Link

What da hell's wrong with This one?

It isn't turdy point buck or if she farts on da firs date (she's a keeper).

I think my favorite was....what the hell is it......Fishin' Wit Fred.

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: .Fishin' Wit Fred.

Best line: "It's full o' terrorists from Ohio."