Say, "yee-haw' to da UP, eh?

No infrastructure, dwindling population, no jobs on the horizon, good luck with that.
Sincerely,
The trolls that live under the bridge
Aka fudgies

now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

Why not?

No Cal and So Cal have been discussing it for years. Just depends on if the public vote allows it.

Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

you mean like West Virginia?

Maybe they could be West Michigan

Texas has it as part of their constitution that they can split into 5 separate states. I see no reason why the loser half of a state can't split off to go be fat somewhere else.

This is not news.

In fact, it predates the Civil War.


/Ya, really.

Man, that's just ringing the dinner bell for those militia types. Well, the ones not currently living there.

The peninsula could just start sucking up to the government of Wisconsin and ask to join their state. Then we all wouldn't have to buy new flags.

This comes up every now and then. It never goes anywhere. But good luck to them.

NuttierThanEver: No infrastructure, dwindling population, no jobs on the horizon, good luck with that.
Sincerely,
The trolls that live under the bridge
Aka fudgies

And that's any different from the rest of the state?

Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

Yes. Virginia and West Virginia.

Canada will support the north and US can support the south

Bring it on

"Stop flushing our money down Detroit."

Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

yup
weclome to kentucky and west virgina
so

as SOON as the UP leaves MI, there will be a movement to split WUP from EUP. LOL
this is the problem with balkanization.
Plus imagine the humor in DC when they have to find room for 20-200 new senators and 10-100+ new representatives.
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahaha

/The State of Chicago would become the Vegas on the Lake. with gambling, drugs and prostitution. this would be so awesome.

When in the course of human events ...

So if they succeed will we have 49.6666666666666 states instead of 50?

It can be done. It would probably have to be approved by the residents of the area that want to become their own state, and also be approved by the state legislature and governor. There is also the tax dollars that must be paid back to the "original" state, for any state services that occur in that part of the state that wants to become their own state. That is offset by the state taxes that the residents of the area that wants to become their own state have already paid or would have paid.

Meh, they are welcome to go. The landscape looks like Mars and the only point of interest is Tahquamenon Falls, unless you really, really like copper and fish.

We'll keep the fudge, thanks.

They want to name themselves "Superior".

Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

Atricle IV Sec 3 of the US Constitution:

 New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

Gyrfalcon: Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

Why not?

No Cal and So Cal have been discussing it for years. Just depends on if the public vote allows it.

It has nothing to do with the public allowing it. It takes an act of congress to create a new state. Texas' constitution gives it the power to split up into five states but it won't happen unless the feds give the okay.

Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

I'd be interested to know as well. There's really no precedent other than West Virginia, but that was an unusual case obviously.

I've heard that it's possible with the approval of both Congress and the legislature of the state in question, but I have no source for that.

Isn't Grover Norquist on a cruise up there?

Good riddance!!! The UP is Alabama, only with a lot more snow.

/metro Detroiter
//not born here
///been to the UP exactly once and that was for a work conference

cyberspacedout: The peninsula could just start sucking up to the government of Wisconsin and ask to join their state. Then we all wouldn't have to buy new flags.

when I was in high school this very thing was proposed.

the constitution says that no portion of any state may seek statehood without the approval of the majority of said state. it may even be a super majority or such...

I hear this on and on, the Dems want to break a state, the Gop wants to break a state, smaller and smaller populations, some of our states already have LESS than the # the census wants prior to moving a congressional district.

Lets cut a better deal.......

AcademGreen: Atricle IV Sec 3 of the US Constitution:

 New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

well the AWESOME part is that the GOP in congress will be TOTALLY supportive of any and all new states. right?
RIGHT??
Because states' rights are so important?!!@ LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Feh. Alaska had a party dedicated to seceding and becoming its own COUNTRY.

/though I miss Houghton

I worked with a lady from Michigan last fall. I asked her about Detroit and she looked bewildered.. her response: "Oh we live on the upper peninsula, we are not really part of the rest of Michigan." Kinda surprised me. But I know nothing of American geography or politics.. being Canadian and all that.

leevis: Gyrfalcon: Weaver95: now that's an interesting question...we already know that a state cannot leave the Union. the civil war settled that question for us. But can a state 'split off' into another state?

hmm.

Why not?

No Cal and So Cal have been discussing it for years. Just depends on if the public vote allows it.

It has nothing to do with the public allowing it. It takes an act of congress to create a new state. Texas' constitution gives it the power to split up into five states but it won't happen unless the feds give the okay.

madgordy: cyberspacedout: The peninsula could just start sucking up to the government of Wisconsin and ask to join their state. Then we all wouldn't have to buy new flags.

when I was in high school this very thing was proposed.

the constitution says that no portion of any state may seek statehood without the approval of the majority of said state. it may even be a super majority or such...

I hear this on and on, the Dems want to break a state, the Gop wants to break a state, smaller and smaller populations, some of our states already have LESS than the # the census wants prior to moving a congressional district.

Guess we're both right.

demaL-demaL-yeH: This is not news.

In fact, it predates the Civil War.


/Ya, really.

Yeah, seriously. They've been going on about this for so damn long, and nothing EVER happens.

We fought a war with Ohio over Toledo (why anyone wanted Toledo, I can't imagine). The U.P. was our consolation prize. It worked out well considering the mines in the U.P.

As for succession...not going to happen. I can't imagine the rest of the state going along with it.

madgordy: cyberspacedout: The peninsula could just start sucking up to the government of Wisconsin and ask to join their state. Then we all wouldn't have to buy new flags.

when I was in high school this very thing was proposed.

the constitution says that no portion of any state may seek statehood without the approval of the majority of said state. it may even be a super majority or such...

I hear this on and on, the Dems want to break a state, the Gop wants to break a state, smaller and smaller populations, some of our states already have LESS than the # the census wants prior to moving a congressional district.

Does anyone think that 709,760 per representative compared to the 70k or so when we were formed is good for the country?
NO ONE likes their representation because they are not actually being represented.

LOL

fark Michigan, They should just merge with Wisconsin. We have beer and cheese.

asscorethethird: fark Michigan, They should just merge with Wisconsin. We have beer and cheese.

*guitar riff*

Fark.

You.

/very much.
//Damned cheesehead trolls.

Land of pasties and mineral and ore resources.

It is interesting to think the next slave state free state battle could be from parts of states trying to gain a foothold in Congress.

DavidVincent: "Stop flushing our money down Detroit."

That is reason enough for the UP to secede.

slayer199: We fought a war with Ohio over Toledo (why anyone wanted Toledo, I can't imagine). The U.P. was our consolation prize. It worked out well considering the mines in the U.P.

As for succession...not going to happen. I can't imagine the rest of the state going along with it.

The succession talk usually stops when it's pointed out for the yoopers that we trolls are the ones who pay for everything.

demaL-demaL-yeH: This is not news.

In fact, it predates the Civil War.


/Ya, really.

Was gonna say....this has been going on for generations.

NuttierThanEver: No infrastructure, dwindling population, no jobs on the horizon, good luck with that.
Sincerely,
The trolls that live under the bridge
Aka fudgies

We'll take what's above the bridge (including the hunting, tourism, and mineral and water resources) and you can keep the mitten.

Poison: That is reason enough for the UP to secede.

This is pretty much what it has always been about, at least in my lifetime.

cyberspacedout: The peninsula could just start sucking up to the government of Wisconsin and ask to join their state. Then we all wouldn't have to buy new flags.

As a Wisconsin resident, I would be happy to have the U.P. be part of our great state.

/they should be anywho
//stoopid Toledo!!

Overfiend: As a Wisconsin resident, I would be happy to have the U.P. be part of our great state.

You can have Packer country, which is pretty much everything west of Marquette.

robbrie: Good riddance!!! The UP is Alabama, only with a lot more snow.

/metro Detroiter
//not born here
///been to the UP exactly once and that was for a work conference

Sweet hoooome Yoopabama!
Where the Skies are sooo blue!

_{/rocks out}

Overfiend: cyberspacedout: The peninsula could just start sucking up to the government of Wisconsin and ask to join their state. Then we all wouldn't have to buy new flags.

As a Wisconsin resident, I would be happy to have the U.P. be part of our great state.

/they should be anywho
//stoopid Toledo!!

Maybe if you learned how to pronounce "sauna" correctly.

Nope. Not even then.

Eh. If they really want to go, they should be allowed to go.

Michigan, as a state, is a startling case of chronic mismanagement -- rebuilding should have begun in the late 70s, when it was clear that the Big Three were going to run into trouble. The rebuilding . . . has still not begun in earnest. Talk, yes; serious action, not so much.

Detroit is amazing. Good and bad. But the bad is more amazing.

I've lived in seven states, from Vermont to Florida to Nebraska to Michigan, and only two of them (both in the Northeast) had halfway decent state governments. Michigan has the worst return on taxes of anywhere I've ever lived. People complain about Massachusetts, but by god there's real infrastructure and services there.

Michigan is nice in a lot of ways. Don't get me wrong.

Two_Noodles: robbrie: Good riddance!!! The UP is Alabama, only with a lot more snow.

/metro Detroiter
//not born here
///been to the UP exactly once and that was for a work conference

Sweet hoooome Yoopabama!
Where the Skies are sooo blue!

/rocks out

We have our own song, tyvm. Link

As a citizen of the Great State of Jefferson, I fully support this.

robbrie: Good riddance!!! The UP is Alabama, only with a lot more snow.

/metro Detroiter
//not born here
///been to the UP exactly once and that was for a work conference

It's obvious you're not from Michigan otherwise you'd know that south central (just south of Lansing) is the "Alabama" of Michigan.