Maybe you can hand them 51 gun permits? Eh?

Either that or you can unleash Michael Caine.

I was out near there during the riots last year, it was fun sitting outside a pub, enjoying a nice beer with hoodlums and youths running around being chased by police. Other than that it's not a very nice area, if it were me I would be filling out applications to get a shotgun, or maybe just a sword.

I guarantee you -- promise you, that this was not an "error". This was an attempt at social engineering by one of the "progressives" in that office, who feel that people should mind their own business and deal with the abuse and drug-taking because it's on public property. But it has to be couched as a mistake, because to admit that it was intentional, even if you then fired the person, would cause way too much attention to be paid to the department that did it.

Its a shame that these fine citizens have very few means to defend themselves.

Who gives their info when calling in a complaint?

It could be worse. they could have put a missile battery on the roof

The council had prepared legal injunctions against 13 people to ban them from the area, and 10 had been served this month.

But those 10 were also given paperwork including a log of all calls reporting anti-social behaviour, with names, phone numbers and street or estate names if they were given.

/That's some fine police work there Lou. Well.it could be worse..they could be in jail with transgendered cross dressing murderers.

//just sayin.

dahmers love zombie: I guarantee you -- promise you, that this was not an "error". This was an attempt at social engineering by one of the "progressives" in that office, who feel that people should mind their own business and deal with the abuse and drug-taking because it's on public property. But it has to be couched as a mistake, because to admit that it was intentional, even if you then fired the person, would cause way too much attention to be paid to the department that did it.

Knowing someone that's involved in this & has intimate knowledge of exactly what happened here I can guarantee you -- promise you, that this was an "error".

Made by a f*cking idiot.

cman: Its a shame that these fine citizens have very few means to defend themselves.

They've solved that problem by simply making it illegal to defend yourself, with or without a weapon.

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: cman: Its a shame that these fine citizens have very few means to defend themselves.

They've solved that problem by simply making it illegal to defend yourself, with or without a weapon.

Except that's 100% untrue. As you well know.

Easiest solution: Nuke England. It benefits all concerned. And I've been yearning for the mushroom cloud.

dahmers love zombie: I guarantee you -- promise you, that this was not an "error". This was an attempt at social engineering by one of the "progressives" in that office, who feel that people should mind their own business and deal with the abuse and drug-taking because it's on public property. But it has to be couched as a mistake, because to admit that it was intentional, even if you then fired the person, would cause way too much attention to be paid to the department that did it.

Iron Chef Scottish: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: cman: Its a shame that these fine citizens have very few means to defend themselves.

They've solved that problem by simply making it illegal to defend yourself, with or without a weapon.

Except that's 100% untrue. As you well know.

Yep. Because no one in England has ever been charged or jailed for defending themselves.

I hope the jackass who made the mistake was fired.

Babelfish American Enlgish -> Queen's Enlish

I hope the bloody wanker responsible for this rubbish was proper sacked, mate!

Slaxl: I was out near there during the riots last year, it was fun sitting outside a pub, enjoying a nice beer with hoodlums and youths running around being chased by police. Other than that it's not a very nice area, if it were me I would be filling out applications to get a shotgun, or maybe just a sword.

Defensive tools are unnecessary. Violent crime does not exist in the United Kingdom due to the imposition of extensive restrictions upon civilian firearm ownership.

oukewldave: Who gives their info when calling in a complaint?

Anyone who wants any action taken on their complaint. Otherwise, might as well just post them to FARK as "cool stories, bro"

Dimensio: Slaxl: I was out near there during the riots last year, it was fun sitting outside a pub, enjoying a nice beer with hoodlums and youths running around being chased by police. Other than that it's not a very nice area, if it were me I would be filling out applications to get a shotgun, or maybe just a sword.

Defensive tools are unnecessary. Violent crime does not exist in the United Kingdom due to the imposition of extensive restrictions upon civilian firearm ownership.
Oh we've got violent crime. We just have significantly less people shooting each other.

OMG YOU GUYS THEY JUST INVENTED THESE SHARP POINTY THINGS CALLED KNIVES! I'm utterly horrified.

/The only thing that happens when you take away the guns is that people just pick a different weapon.

A Terrible Human: OMG YOU GUYS THEY JUST INVENTED THESE SHARP POINTY THINGS CALLED KNIVES! I'm utterly horrified.

/The only thing that happens when you take away the guns is that people just pick a different weapon.

Also less people get murdered

Heb: Also less people get murdered

Having a gun is not a requirement to murder someone although I do hear it's quicker than stabbing someone to death depending on where you shoot or stab.

A Terrible Human: Heb: Also less people get murdered

Having a gun is not a requirement to murder someone although I do hear it's quicker than stabbing someone to death depending on where you shoot or stab.

Of course it isn't. Funnily enough we have murders in the UK too. We just have a lot less of them, thanks to the fact that guns aren't readily available.

/Captain of the shooting team at school
//Still farking glad we don't allow easy gun ownership

The council is in the process of contacting every single person who is on that list, starting with Marie Cockburn of 55 Marsham Street...

Iron Chef Scottish: dahmers love zombie: I guarantee you -- promise you, that this was not an "error". This was an attempt at social engineering by one of the "progressives" in that office, who feel that people should mind their own business and deal with the abuse and drug-taking because it's on public property. But it has to be couched as a mistake, because to admit that it was intentional, even if you then fired the person, would cause way too much attention to be paid to the department that did it.

Knowing someone that's involved in this & has intimate knowledge of exactly what happened here I can guarantee you -- promise you, that this was an "error".

Made by a f*cking idiot.

OK, I'm willing to reevaluate my position (yes, I'm going against everything Fark stands for with that). But how in the howling hell can that have occurred without intent? What sort of situation would occur where the list of complainants gets "accidentally" sent to those who are being warned away? Unless maybe was it a "send them every file involved in their case" thing?

Heb: A Terrible Human: Heb: Also less people get murdered

Having a gun is not a requirement to murder someone although I do hear it's quicker than stabbing someone to death depending on where you shoot or stab.

Of course it isn't. Funnily enough we have murders in the UK too. We just have a lot less of them, thanks to the fact that guns aren't readily available.

/Captain of the shooting team at school
//Still farking glad we don't allow easy gun ownership

Mate...give up. You can't win. The narrative is hardwired. Everyone used to have guns here then we got all sissified and the gubbmint has it's foot on our neck just like the Democrats want to do and we can't protect ourselves from the rapists that come every night and guns don't kill people (blacks do) and the murder rate is the same in the US if you just ignore all those pesky blacks so stop being a pussy and get a gun. OK?

dahmers love zombie: Iron Chef Scottish: dahmers love zombie: I guarantee you -- promise you, that this was not an "error". This was an attempt at social engineering by one of the "progressives" in that office, who feel that people should mind their own business and deal with the abuse and drug-taking because it's on public property. But it has to be couched as a mistake, because to admit that it was intentional, even if you then fired the person, would cause way too much attention to be paid to the department that did it.

Knowing someone that's involved in this & has intimate knowledge of exactly what happened here I can guarantee you -- promise you, that this was an "error".

Made by a f*cking idiot.

OK, I'm willing to reevaluate my position (yes, I'm going against everything Fark stands for with that). But how in the howling hell can that have occurred without intent? What sort of situation would occur where the list of complainants gets "accidentally" sent to those who are being warned away? Unless maybe was it a "send them every file involved in their case" thing?

Without going in to too much detail: files that should have been kept separate were mixed up by an idiot who then gave it to a moron that didn't understand instructions from said idiot because they are a moron (affixes stamp)... and here we are.

Heb: Of course it isn't. Funnily enough we have murders in the UK too. We just have a lot less of them, thanks to the fact that guns aren't readily available.

Your sarcasm meter appear to broken. That's rather unfortunate.

Iron Chef Scottish: dahmers love zombie: Iron Chef Scottish: dahmers love zombie: I guarantee you -- promise you, that this was not an "error". This was an attempt at social engineering by one of the "progressives" in that office, who feel that people should mind their own business and deal with the abuse and drug-taking because it's on public property. But it has to be couched as a mistake, because to admit that it was intentional, even if you then fired the person, would cause way too much attention to be paid to the department that did it.

Knowing someone that's involved in this & has intimate knowledge of exactly what happened here I can guarantee you -- promise you, that this was an "error".

Made by a f*cking idiot.

OK, I'm willing to reevaluate my position (yes, I'm going against everything Fark stands for with that). But how in the howling hell can that have occurred without intent? What sort of situation would occur where the list of complainants gets "accidentally" sent to those who are being warned away? Unless maybe was it a "send them every file involved in their case" thing?

Without going in to too much detail: files that should have been kept separate were mixed up by an idiot who then gave it to a moron that didn't understand instructions from said idiot because they are a moron (affixes stamp)... and here we are.

Which department did this happen in? I'm guessing somewhere in Corporate Resources, but I'm just wondering which part of the council exactly was responsible for this mess up?

A Terrible Human: Your sarcasm meter appears to broken. That's rather unfortunate.

FTFM,also I don't give two shiats about guns and I personally think far too many deranged people are able to legally walk into a walmart,do very simple paper work,pay for the gun and have the cashier walk them out with a rifle/shotgun

Iron Chef Scottish:
Without going in to too much detail: files that should have been kept separate were mixed up by an idiot who then gave it to a moron that didn't understand instructions from said idiot because they are a moron (affixes stamp)... and here we are.

Very well, then.

Someone else should, as balance, "accidentally" release the names and addresses of the idiot and the moron.

If nobody does, then the public at large should start a program of making sure that everyone - especially the ASBOs - has the name and address of every person working in that department.

Including, if possible, their work schedules.

And there you are.

Maybe a UK farker can explain; what are these "councils"?

Something like city hall? Elected or appointed?

C-eyes: Maybe a UK farker can explain; what are these "councils"?

Something like city hall? Elected or appointed?

This. Seems like hardly a week goes by that we don't hear about some asinine decision set down by one of these groups.

C-eyes: Maybe a UK farker can explain; what are these "councils"?

Something like city hall? Elected or appointed?
They are the administrative body that is responsible for local services (schools, garbage disposal, housing, etc). London is split up into 32 of them. Councillors are elected periodically by residents, and in theory set the agenda for each area. The reality is that councillors come and go, and council officers have to get on with the work regardless. After all, doesn't matter who is in power, residents all want good schools, clean streets, and so on.

Satanic_Hamster: Yep. Because no one in England has ever been charged or jailed for defending themselves.

A lot of people have been charged, but they don't get jailed.

Juries don't jail people for defending themselves.

In theory the CPS aren't supposed to prosecute when there's no chance of conviction, sometimes they do anyway, which is almost certainly political, but, no, people are not jailed for defending themselves.

Heb: We just have significantly less people shooting each other.

Unfortunately, we do have schools that don't teach people the difference between "less" and "fewer".

/Bring in custodial sentences for grammar errors!

I spotted that after I posted, but no way to correct :) Though if you think I'm bad on that, you'll cry at my use of "should of"...

Heb: Also less people get murdered

If you took all the shootings out of the statistics, America would still have a much higher murder rate than Britain. Whatever it is that makes Americans murder each other, guns are just a means to that and not a cause of it.

Sounds like the council was inspired by this movie, which is quite good, btw.

DAMMIT

BarryJV: Heb: Also less people get murdered

If you took all the shootings out of the statistics, America would still have a much higher murder rate than Britain. Whatever it is that makes Americans murder each other, guns are just a means to that and not a cause of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_viol ence#Homicide

US murders by firearms are a staggering 65% of your homicides.
2.97 people per 100,000

England and Wales murders by firearms are 8% of our homicides
0.12 people per 100,000

Murder rate for non-firearm homicides in US are 1.58 people per 100,000
Murder rate for non-firearm homicides in England and Wales are 1.33 per 100,000

So yes, you have a slightly higher rate if you take out deaths by firearms, but the majority of deaths are by firearms and the difference in the murder rate there is frikking huge!

Honestly, your gun obsession is weird. It might be people that kill people, but they do it a lot bloody easier with a gun.

I say "you're" but it occurs to me you may not be American! But again, no way to correct :)

Still, guns are the killer.

dahmers love zombie: I guarantee you -- promise you, that this was not an "error". This was an attempt at social engineering by one of the "progressives" in that office, who feel that people should mind their own business and deal with the abuse and drug-taking because it's on public property. But it has to be couched as a mistake, because to admit that it was intentional, even if you then fired the person, would cause way too much attention to be paid to the department that did it.

The progressive in question:



Civic compromise, biatch.

Heb: So yes, you have a slightly higher rate if you take out deaths by firearms, but the majority of deaths are by firearms and the difference in the murder rate there is frikking huge!

And if they didn't have guns they'd use knives, baseball bats and bricks.

You know, just like they did in the UK when they got rid of guns. Or did you guys start banning knives and baseball bats for sheer fun? And how's that increase in burglaries, assaults and rapes going for you guys? I hear you're actually starting to the beat the US in some of those crimes, good job, congrats.

The US has been a violent place for the past two centuries. Scandinavian countries have a ton of guns and yet they also have absurdly low crime rates.

BarryJV:
A lot of people have been charged, but they don't get jailed.

Juries don't jail people for defending themselves.

Tony Martin says you're a liar.

Heb: Oh we've got violent crime. We just have significantly less people shooting each other.



Would it make you feel any better, little girl, that they wasn't pushed out of windows?

Heb: Honestly, your gun obsession is weird. It might be people that kill people, but they do it a lot bloody easier with a gun.

There are a lot of people that need killin' here and I'm damned certainly not gonna go around and try to just skullcrack them with a brick or something.

I love how the gun nuts here are completely ignoring the statistics posted very clearly in this thread that show how totally and completely wrong they are and still try to act smug.

But I suppose you shouldn't expect much more from people who fetishize things designed explicitly to kill other people.

One possible upside of the coming of insanely fundamentalist Sharia to the UK, which is maybe 5 years out at this point. Just round up all the people who've ever touched any drugs and liquor and hang them all in public w/o trial. Also kill all the Jews, women who can read, gays, rape victims, and such. I bet you could get George Galloway on board with nearly all of it and The Guardian as well.

sharkbeagle: One possible upside of the coming of insanely fundamentalist Sharia to the UK, which is maybe 5 years out at this point. Just round up all the people who've ever touched any drugs and liquor and hang them all in public w/o trial. Also kill all the Jews, women who can read, gays, rape victims, and such. I bet you could get George Galloway on board with nearly all of it and The Guardian as well.

Anders? I knew prison was a country club up there, but I didn't think they'd allow access to Fark.

Heb: A Terrible Human: OMG YOU GUYS THEY JUST INVENTED THESE SHARP POINTY THINGS CALLED KNIVES! I'm utterly horrified.

/The only thing that happens when you take away the guns is that people just pick a different weapon.

Also less people get murdered

fewer

Iron Chef Scottish: dahmers love zombie: Iron Chef Scottish: dahmers love zombie: I guarantee you -- promise you, that this was not an "error". This was an attempt at social engineering by one of the "progressives" in that office, who feel that people should mind their own business and deal with the abuse and drug-taking because it's on public property. But it has to be couched as a mistake, because to admit that it was intentional, even if you then fired the person, would cause way too much attention to be paid to the department that did it.

Knowing someone that's involved in this & has intimate knowledge of exactly what happened here I can guarantee you -- promise you, that this was an "error".

Made by a f*cking idiot.

OK, I'm willing to reevaluate my position (yes, I'm going against everything Fark stands for with that). But how in the howling hell can that have occurred without intent? What sort of situation would occur where the list of complainants gets "accidentally" sent to those who are being warned away? Unless maybe was it a "send them every file involved in their case" thing?

Without going in to too much detail: files that should have been kept separate were mixed up by an idiot who then gave it to a moron that didn't understand instructions from said idiot because they are a moron (affixes stamp)... and here we are.

Well, then I am wrong, and...um...happy? I guess in the grand scheme of things, imbecility resulting in harm is slightly more morally acceptable than malice resulting in harm.

BarryJV: If you took all the shootings out of the statistics, America would still have a much higher murder rate than Britain. Whatever it is that makes Americans murder each other, guns are just a means to that and not a cause of it.

Yeah, I seem to remember in one of the Michael Moore movies they went over this. He said there was a higher gun to person ratio in Canada and Canadians weren't killing each other near as much as U.S. citizens. He ends up blaming it on fear mongering in the american media or something.....