oooo nice use of the obvious tad
:D

Lockheed-Martin strikes again.

The discussion thread on the article is giving me a good chuckle.

Give me the keys and step back boys; let the raptor pilot a Raptor.

A "Very small" number... How small, exactly?

/One guy with a fetish for cargo planes?
/Article smells of bullshiat.

Every time I new piece of technology comes down there are a large number of military people who want nothing to do with it.

Look at how long it took Civil War generals to realize the grand ol'battle charge was now a relic of the past thanks to the accurate and sustainable rate of fire rifles gave infantry. Hell, the British were still trying cavalry charges during WW1.

We told you so.

WarszawaScream: Give me the keys and step back boys; let the raptor pilot a Raptor.

Lockheed-Martin offers terrible products these days.
The only reason they are still in business is because they have pictures of politicians banging hookers.

I wonder how much of this is disinformation.

"The F-22 doesn't work."
"The F-22 is flawed."
"Don't bother copying the F-22 it's a hanger-queen."
"If America ever fought another real Air Force, the F-22 would be taken out by a rain-storm."

The realization came while they were sitting on their $800 toilet seats.

Lockheed-Martin strikes again

They built the SR-71.

Nuff said.

Actually the F-18 has had 64 issues with suspected hypoxia. For reference, this is not a new issue facing airforces.

The F-22 has flown tens of thousands of sorties, has pilots with over 1000hrs and is a very sucessful platform .

If they don't want to fly it, tell them to step back and give me a commission so I can.

/Technical Sergeant, enlisted aviator

Pfft. I use lots of stuff with bugs in it. I'm on a PC right now. Man up nancy boys.

/joke
//respect thy soldiers

darch: Lockheed-Martin strikes again

They built the SR-71.

Nuff said.

Yeah. They built it. In 1962. That was 50 years ago. You can only rest on those laurels for so long.

http://www.wcnews.com/wcpedia/A-14_Ra ptor

It's still real to me.

Why don't you guys come for a ride in my cold-air balloon F22. Cuz we ain't farking going anywhere.

Bunnyhat: Every time I new piece of technology comes down there are a large number of military people who want nothing to do with it.

Look at how long it took Civil War generals to realize the grand ol'battle charge was now a relic of the past thanks to the accurate and sustainable rate of fire rifles gave infantry. Hell, the British were still trying cavalry charges during WW1.

The problem has nothing to do with new technology. The problem with the F22 is that the oxygen mask/supply system for the pilot doesn't work, so pilots have passed out at altitude and crashed. Somehow Lockheed dorked up a technology that has been in use since the '40's and hasn't fixed it yet, and the Air Force hasn't sued them out of existence for their shortfalls.

Treygreen13: WarszawaScream: Give me the keys and step back boys; let the raptor pilot a Raptor.

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It'd be a combination of that and



/hot

some of the US Air Force's airmen, the world's most elite

FFS, why is it so hard to write an article without the self masturbatory glorification of the US?

RocketRay: Lockheed-Martin strikes again.

Of the top three truly beautiful military planes ever created, Lockheed is responsible for two of them. They are of course

The P38 Lightning


The A-10 Thunderbolt II (Warthog)


And the most beautiful and magestic of any aircraft mankind has ever conviced, the SR-71 Blackbird.




The F22 however does seem to be a bit... lacking in it's grandeur.

Yeah. They built it. In 1962. That was 50 years ago. You can only rest on those laurels for so long.

True, true. But still... damn, that thing was impressive.

It sound like the oxygen delivery system is the main problem. One pilot died because the plane sensed it was over heating and the on board computer shut off the oxygen!


Might I suggest a slightly lower tech solution?

I always assumed the F-22 had a dash vent knob, like on a Toyota, so you could dive down and get some air if you ran out. I mean, sure it would come out of the vent at 500 MPH, but hey...it's air.

Why not just get some pilots from the military to fly it?

Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: RocketRay: Lockheed-Martin strikes again.

Of the top three truly beautiful military planes ever created, Lockheed is responsible for two of them. They are of course

The P38 Lightning
[www.military-aircraft.org.uk image 640x310]

The A-10 Thunderbolt II (Warthog)
[www.fas.org image 640x374]

And the most beautiful and magestic of any aircraft mankind has ever conviced, the SR-71 Blackbird.
[www.militaryfactory.com image 640x459]



The F22 however does seem to be a bit... lacking in it's grandeur.

I agree wholeheartedly with everything this poster said.

well, 3 out of the 4 most beautiful. General Dynamics commissioned the 4th in 1978. It's the Lotus Elise of military aircraft.

I wonder if Sherman tank commanders decided they had had enough with being burned alive or blown to bits and just quit.

I don't blame people for refusing to serve in unsafe equipment.

netcentric: Actually the F-18 has had 64 issues with suspected hypoxia. For reference, this is not a new issue facing airforces.

The F-22 has flown tens of thousands of sorties, has pilots with over 1000hrs and is a very sucessful platform .

And the more they fly them the less the incidents average out.

A while back there was an article talking about some average that is counted like hours down compared to hours in the air..some bean counter or talking point type stat....but when the first 2 years of the 18's and 22's were compared using this stat they were almost identical......

Same thing happens to recreational pilots....they use some stat to show how dangerous recreational flying is and compare it to commercial flights that only go from point A to B and don't do touch and goes, immelmans and split s's etc...like recreational pilots do to have fun.

It might have something to do with the fact that because the damn planes cost so much they will never get to fight when the next international squable breaks out. Pilots don't just want to fly training missions and admire sexy airplanes in hangers. They want the chance to test their mettle against our adversaries, and frankly, the only thing that will drag the F22 out of the hanger is a war against China. So if a pilot wants combat citations and medals - they ain't gonna get them flying an F22.

Geriatric Goodman Brown: The discussion thread on the article is giving me a good chuckle.

Haha, that was better than the damn article.

darch: Yeah. They built it. In 1962. That was 50 years ago. You can only rest on those laurels for so long.

True, true. But still... damn, that thing was impressive.

The first 50 years of aviation was a period of rapid improvement. Then innovation stopped.

I figured if they were declassifying the SR71, they must have other, even crazier awesomer planes....turns out...

well, there are probably some pretty crazy classified planes, but still...

Oblig.

netweavr: I wonder how much of this is disinformation.

"The F-22 doesn't work."
"The F-22 is flawed."
"Don't bother copying the F-22 it's a hanger-queen."
"If America ever fought another real Air Force, the F-22 would be taken out by a rain-storm."

Exactly what I was thinking. Fark is dominated by communists which makes them incapable of critical thinking so don't expect many people too agree with you though.

"A very small number." Relative to what? I can't imagine there's a huge number of F-22 pilots to start with.

Also, more aviation pr0n kkthx.

Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: RocketRay: Lockheed-Martin strikes again.

Of the top three truly beautiful military planes ever created, Lockheed is responsible for two of them. They are of course

The A-10 Thunderbolt II (Warthog)
www.fas.org

Warthog... Truly Beautiful? THEY CALL IT A WARTHOG! It is one of the ugliest things ever to grace the skies, a plane so hideous that SAM's won't shoot it down. The A-10 is many things. Many glorious badass things. But Beautiful is NOT one of them.

When the company I used to work for bought out a flight control business out of California, one of its properties was the f-22 flight controls. When we brought it to our facility, so much of the control system was jury rigged the engineers in California hard coded a majority of the pass/fail/OMG DEATH alarms to pass just so the thing would start.

Subby, isn't the F-35 more advanced?

The first 50 years of aviation was a period of rapid improvement. Then innovation stopped.

I figured if they were declassifying the SR71, they must have other, even crazier awesomer planes....turns out...

well, there are probably some pretty crazy classified planes, but still...

I've wondered the same thing: if something as fantastical as the SR-71 was built in the 60's, what must they have (classified) these days? The mind boggles.

Senordos13: Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: RocketRay: Lockheed-Martin strikes again.

Of the top three truly beautiful military planes ever created, Lockheed is responsible for two of them. They are of course

The P38 Lightning
[www.military-aircraft.org.uk image 640x310]

The A-10 Thunderbolt II (Warthog)
[www.fas.org image 640x374]

And the most beautiful and magestic of any aircraft mankind has ever conviced, the SR-71 Blackbird.
[www.militaryfactory.com image 640x459]



The F22 however does seem to be a bit... lacking in it's grandeur.

I agree wholeheartedly with everything this poster said.

well, 3 out of the 4 most beautiful. General Dynamics commissioned the 4th in 1978. It's the Lotus Elise of military aircraft.

Four out of five:

You have to push the Takeoff, Autopilot and Land button. In that order!

/30 Rock

steve_wmn: Bunnyhat: Every time I new piece of technology comes down there are a large number of military people who want nothing to do with it.

Look at how long it took Civil War generals to realize the grand ol'battle charge was now a relic of the past thanks to the accurate and sustainable rate of fire rifles gave infantry. Hell, the British were still trying cavalry charges during WW1.

The problem has nothing to do with new technology. The problem with the F22 is that the oxygen mask/supply system for the pilot doesn't work, so pilots have passed out at altitude and crashed. Somehow Lockheed dorked up a technology that has been in use since the '40's and hasn't fixed it yet, and the Air Force hasn't sued them out of existence for their shortfalls.


I don't think the OBOGS system works how you think it works....
And it is used by several aircraft. Look into bleed air and how the AF is working on the problem. Most of the issues occured at Elmendorf, where jets were started in hangars (Alaska). Much like the Navy issue that was overcome and fixed.
Many times it is procedures, rather than a hardware issue.

MorePeasPlease: [upload.wikimedia.org image 300x221]

We told you so.

Oh, you made my day. :-) The only reasons we didn't get this fighter is that Northrop already had the B-2 contract, and the other kids get whiny when the wealth isn't spread around. That, and Lockheed has always had better hookers.

Came for the F-302, leaving disappointed.

eclectus: Warthog... Truly Beautiful? THEY CALL IT A WARTHOG! It is one of the ugliest things ever to grace the skies, a plane so hideous that SAM's won't shoot it down. The A-10 is many things. Many glorious badass things. But Beautiful is NOT one of them.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and a warthog would scare the shiat out of a beholder.

So when does the Lemon Law come into effect?
Make LM buy them back and give refunds to the taxpayers.

darch: The first 50 years of aviation was a period of rapid improvement. Then innovation stopped.

I figured if they were declassifying the SR71, they must have other, even crazier awesomer planes....turns out...

well, there are probably some pretty crazy classified planes, but still...

I've wondered the same thing: if something as fantastical as the SR-71 was built in the 60's, what must they have (classified) these days? The mind boggles.

IIRC satellites killed the SR-71.

eclectus: Warthog... Truly Beautiful? THEY CALL IT A WARTHOG! It is one of the ugliest things ever to grace the skies, a plane so hideous that SAM's won't shoot it down. The A-10 is many things. Many glorious badass things. But Beautiful is NOT one of them

Think of it this way. If the A-10 was a women who got naked for money, she'd be a Suicide Girl.

Smoky Dragon Dish: Subby, isn't the F-35 more advanced?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x502]

Nope.

The whole F-22 program reads like a really awesome beta design that the Air Force was suckered into buying bulk. We should have a couple dozen F-22s that test pilots can play with around with and defense contractors can work to improve. In the meantime the Silent Eagle or something along those lines could meet our air defense needs (since many of the older airframes likely do need to be retired).