The secret to training border collies is that you write down on a chalk board
what it is you want them to do, then place it in front of them. They're smart.

They should get a pig to do it.

I just freaking love working dogs.

We used our border collie to keep the kids in the yard and out of the street.

They were way less challenging than sheep or geese, I tell you what.

There wasn't a lot of training to do with our Aussie in terms of shepherding those in the herd that needed it (in his opinion), our two kids and a cat. He actually began fussing about the kids and took over control of those things by time he was six months old with no help. The cat came later and just fell into his herd to contend with.

Side question if anyone may know. Now the dog sleeps in my sons room and has been getting a little cranky at bed time. I don't know if cranky is the right word. Any time of the day outside bedtime anyone in the family can go into the boy's room and there is no problem. At bedtime the dog gets fairly aggressive in a funny way. He gets agitated and growls at me in a serious manner but also underneath it is an almost guilty type of 'please don't take this to the point I have to bite you, dad!' The closer I get to my sons bed the more aggro he gets. If I try to get on/over the bed he will actually put his face against me and I can tell anyone else outside the family would be getting bit at that point.

Is this a territorial thing? That's he's slept in the bed with my son so long that at that time of day it's his space so GTFO?
Is it just an expansion of him protecting his flock of two kids and a cat? The boy is 14 so it isn't like a smaller toddler or defenseless newborn. Plus he stinks of 14 year old boy and pulls his fair amount of annoyance on the dog.

I really don't think he would bite me but I do worry if my son has friends over, or family from out of town staying what may happen.

Shakespeare's Monkey: The secret to training border collies is that you write down on a chalk board
what it is you want them to do, then place it in front of them. They're smart.

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I used to write notes to my German Shepherd every now and then, reminding her not to jump up on my bed while I was at work. As far as I know she never did, so I assume she could read.

Video needs more hunters...

Bears don't hunt deer. Do they?

rudemix: There wasn't a lot of training to do with our Aussie in terms of shepherding those in the herd that needed it (in his opinion), our two kids and a cat. He actually began fussing about the kids and took over control of those things by time he was six months old with no help. The cat came later and just fell into his herd to contend with.

Side question if anyone may know. Now the dog sleeps in my sons room and has been getting a little cranky at bed time. I don't know if cranky is the right word. Any time of the day outside bedtime anyone in the family can go into the boy's room and there is no problem. At bedtime the dog gets fairly aggressive in a funny way. He gets agitated and growls at me in a serious manner but also underneath it is an almost guilty type of 'please don't take this to the point I have to bite you, dad!' The closer I get to my sons bed the more aggro he gets. If I try to get on/over the bed he will actually put his face against me and I can tell anyone else outside the family would be getting bit at that point.

Is this a territorial thing? That's he's slept in the bed with my son so long that at that time of day it's his space so GTFO?
Is it just an expansion of him protecting his flock of two kids and a cat? The boy is 14 so it isn't like a smaller toddler or defenseless newborn. Plus he stinks of 14 year old boy and pulls his fair amount of annoyance on the dog.

I really don't think he would bite me but I do worry if my son has friends over, or family from out of town staying what may happen.

I don't get along with people who put words into their pets' mouths. Especially when those words include anything similar to dad or mom.

I had a border collie, I told him to round up a bunch of 5 year-olds from my nephew's birthday party that were running around the yard and get them by the car. In 2 minutes there was a group of kids by the car all huddled together. They're smart dogs.

I employ two such dogs just got herd the women away from my house on Saturday mornings.

rudemix: There wasn't a lot of training to do with our Aussie in terms of shepherding those in the herd that needed it (in his opinion), our two kids and a cat. He actually began fussing about the kids and took over control of those things by time he was six months old with no help. The cat came later and just fell into his herd to contend with.

Side question if anyone may know. Now the dog sleeps in my sons room and has been getting a little cranky at bed time. I don't know if cranky is the right word. Any time of the day outside bedtime anyone in the family can go into the boy's room and there is no problem. At bedtime the dog gets fairly aggressive in a funny way. He gets agitated and growls at me in a serious manner but also underneath it is an almost guilty type of 'please don't take this to the point I have to bite you, dad!' The closer I get to my sons bed the more aggro he gets. If I try to get on/over the bed he will actually put his face against me and I can tell anyone else outside the family would be getting bit at that point.

Is this a territorial thing? That's he's slept in the bed with my son so long that at that time of day it's his space so GTFO?
Is it just an expansion of him protecting his flock of two kids and a cat? The boy is 14 so it isn't like a smaller toddler or defenseless newborn. Plus he stinks of 14 year old boy and pulls his fair amount of annoyance on the dog.

I really don't think he would bite me but I do worry if my son has friends over, or family from out of town staying what may happen.

Dude, you're supposed to be the alpha male in the pack, which means you decide who sleeps where and when. Time for pup to get some serious training from real life professional trainers, not internet know-it-alls.

Good luck.

alizeran: Bears don't hunt deer. Do they?

Yes, it's been documented that bears are much more likely to kill large herbivores than wolves.

I taught my border Collie to herd Junior Seau away from firearms...they are smart dogs, but I live on the other side of the country.

rudemix: There wasn't a lot of training to do with our Aussie in terms of shepherding those in the herd that needed it (in his opinion), our two kids and a cat. He actually began fussing about the kids and took over control of those things by time he was six months old with no help. The cat came later and just fell into his herd to contend with.

Side question if anyone may know. Now the dog sleeps in my sons room and has been getting a little cranky at bed time. I don't know if cranky is the right word. Any time of the day outside bedtime anyone in the family can go into the boy's room and there is no problem. At bedtime the dog gets fairly aggressive in a funny way. He gets agitated and growls at me in a serious manner but also underneath it is an almost guilty type of 'please don't take this to the point I have to bite you, dad!' The closer I get to my sons bed the more aggro he gets. If I try to get on/over the bed he will actually put his face against me and I can tell anyone else outside the family would be getting bit at that point.

Is this a territorial thing? That's he's slept in the bed with my son so long that at that time of day it's his space so GTFO?
Is it just an expansion of him protecting his flock of two kids and a cat? The boy is 14 so it isn't like a smaller toddler or defenseless newborn. Plus he stinks of 14 year old boy and pulls his fair amount of annoyance on the dog.

I really don't think he would bite me but I do worry if my son has friends over, or family from out of town staying what may happen.

It's definitely territorial, and it's definitely a dominance issue. He feels he is the alpha when he's in that space, and he's letting you know it. If you were to show aggression, it would most likely lead to a bite. You could try to do it yourself with a muzzle and physical correction with a good smack on the head or alpha roll--but you risk screwing things up even more. I'd suggest consulting a pro ASAP.

//not a pro
//worked with one to resolve similar issues
//you'll need to be extremely patient, and extremely consistent

My GF has a Catahoula - coolest dogs in the World - that herds cows. Or chases them, who knows.

She was near a creek on her property and heard this thundering and all of a sudden a cow comes down the bank and crosses the stream with Hank Dog a few seconds behind. A few minutes later they went hauling ass the other way.

I love that dog

Fentoooooooooooooooooooooon did it.


Jesus Christ

LeglessDog: rudemix: There wasn't a lot of training to do with our Aussie in terms of shepherding those in the herd that needed it (in his opinion), our two kids and a cat. He actually began fussing about the kids and took over control of those things by time he was six months old with no help. The cat came later and just fell into his herd to contend with.

Side question if anyone may know. Now the dog sleeps in my sons room and has been getting a little cranky at bed time. I don't know if cranky is the right word. Any time of the day outside bedtime anyone in the family can go into the boy's room and there is no problem. At bedtime the dog gets fairly aggressive in a funny way. He gets agitated and growls at me in a serious manner but also underneath it is an almost guilty type of 'please don't take this to the point I have to bite you, dad!' The closer I get to my sons bed the more aggro he gets. If I try to get on/over the bed he will actually put his face against me and I can tell anyone else outside the family would be getting bit at that point.

Is this a territorial thing? That's he's slept in the bed with my son so long that at that time of day it's his space so GTFO?
Is it just an expansion of him protecting his flock of two kids and a cat? The boy is 14 so it isn't like a smaller toddler or defenseless newborn. Plus he stinks of 14 year old boy and pulls his fair amount of annoyance on the dog.

I really don't think he would bite me but I do worry if my son has friends over, or family from out of town staying what may happen.

It's definitely territorial, and it's definitely a dominance issue. He feels he is the alpha when he's in that space, and he's letting you know it. If you were to show aggression, it would most likely lead to a bite. You could try to do it yourself with a muzzle and physical correction with a good smack on the head or alpha roll--but you risk screwing things up even more. I'd suggest consulting a pro ASAP.

//not a pro
//worked with one to resolve similar issues
//you'll need to be extremely patient, and extremely consistent

Thanks. For a legitimate answer and for not being a cockbag.

ecc4v5: rudemix: There wasn't a lot of training to do with our Aussie in terms of shepherding those in the herd that needed it (in his opinion), our two kids and a cat. He actually began fussing about the kids and took over control of those things by time he was six months old with no help. The cat came later and just fell into his herd to contend with.

Side question if anyone may know. Now the dog sleeps in my sons room and has been getting a little cranky at bed time. I don't know if cranky is the right word. Any time of the day outside bedtime anyone in the family can go into the boy's room and there is no problem. At bedtime the dog gets fairly aggressive in a funny way. He gets agitated and growls at me in a serious manner but also underneath it is an almost guilty type of 'please don't take this to the point I have to bite you, dad!' The closer I get to my sons bed the more aggro he gets. If I try to get on/over the bed he will actually put his face against me and I can tell anyone else outside the family would be getting bit at that point.

Is this a territorial thing? That's he's slept in the bed with my son so long that at that time of day it's his space so GTFO?
Is it just an expansion of him protecting his flock of two kids and a cat? The boy is 14 so it isn't like a smaller toddler or defenseless newborn. Plus he stinks of 14 year old boy and pulls his fair amount of annoyance on the dog.

I really don't think he would bite me but I do worry if my son has friends over, or family from out of town staying what may happen.

I don't get along with people who put words into their pets' mouths. Especially when those words include anything similar to dad or mom.

Oddly coincidental that I don't get along with people that can be prickishly judgemental. Fortunately we'll never meet to see how badly we could get along.

GreatGlavinsGhost: rudemix: There wasn't a lot of training to do with our Aussie in terms of shepherding those in the herd that needed it (in his opinion), our two kids and a cat. He actually began fussing about the kids and took over control of those things by time he was six months old with no help. The cat came later and just fell into his herd to contend with.

Side question if anyone may know. Now the dog sleeps in my sons room and has been getting a little cranky at bed time. I don't know if cranky is the right word. Any time of the day outside bedtime anyone in the family can go into the boy's room and there is no problem. At bedtime the dog gets fairly aggressive in a funny way. He gets agitated and growls at me in a serious manner but also underneath it is an almost guilty type of 'please don't take this to the point I have to bite you, dad!' The closer I get to my sons bed the more aggro he gets. If I try to get on/over the bed he will actually put his face against me and I can tell anyone else outside the family would be getting bit at that point.

Is this a territorial thing? That's he's slept in the bed with my son so long that at that time of day it's his space so GTFO?
Is it just an expansion of him protecting his flock of two kids and a cat? The boy is 14 so it isn't like a smaller toddler or defenseless newborn. Plus he stinks of 14 year old boy and pulls his fair amount of annoyance on the dog.

I really don't think he would bite me but I do worry if my son has friends over, or family from out of town staying what may happen.

Dude, you're supposed to be the alpha male in the pack, which means you decide who sleeps where and when. Time for pup to get some serious training from real life professional trainers, not internet know-it-alls.

Good luck.

Thanks.

rudemix: ecc4v5: d bite me but I do worry if my son has friends over, or family from out of town staying what may happen.

I don't get along with people who put words into their pets' mouths. Especially when those words include anything similar to dad or mom.

Oddly coincidental that I don't get along with people that can be prickishly judgemental. Fortunately we'll never meet to see how badly we could get along.

Not trying to be prickish or judgmental, but I never got the mom or dad thing either. People will tell my dog "go to your daddy" and it just feels off with me. He's my dog, I love him, but I am not his father. But then again I came from a town of a lot of country dogs, so one often knew the dogs actual dad and the dogs owner.

bulok: Fentoooooooooooooooooooooon did it.


Jesus Christ

"Oh, CHRIST ..."

natazha: alizeran: Bears don't hunt deer. Do they?

Yes, it's been documented that bears are much more likely to kill large herbivores than wolves.

I noticed a large scar on one of the deer (to which I said "bear attack?") even before they showed the bears.

rudemix: Side question if anyone may know. Now the dog sleeps in my sons room and has been getting a little cranky at bed time. I don't know if cranky is the right word. Any time of the day outside bedtime anyone in the family can go into the boy's room and there is no problem. At bedtime the dog gets fairly aggressive in a funny way. He gets agitated and growls at me in a serious manner but also underneath it is an almost guilty type of 'please don't take this to the point I have to bite you, dad!' The closer I get to my sons bed the more aggro he gets. If I try to get on/over the bed he will actually put his face against me and I can tell anyone else outside the family would be getting bit at that point.

Your son Damien's mother, by any chance was she a jackal?

What a superb breed. Whip-smart and incredibly friendly and loving.

Getting wool out of those deer is going to be an uphill battle.

rudemix: Is this a territorial thing? That's he's slept in the bed with my son so long that at that time of day it's his space so GTFO?
Is it just an expansion of him protecting his flock of two kids and a cat? The boy is 14 so it isn't like a smaller toddler or defenseless newborn. Plus he stinks of 14 year old boy and pulls his fair amount of annoyance on the dog.

I really don't think he would bite me but I do worry if my son has friends over, or family from out of town staying what may happen.

I'm thinking it's time to crate the dog at night, or time to crate train the dog if it is not already. The dog's crate should be the dog's personal space. I have a border collie mix, and he loves his crate. It is where he goes whenever he feels uncomfortable.

Also, don't ask Fark. Ask a professional, especially when the outcome could be having to put your dog down because it bit one of your son's friends.

Estes Park, CO needs one of those.

Do Border Collies herd Kardashians?

So people go into the wilderness, cut down trees, build houses and roads, and then complain when the wild animals show up in the yards. Stupid people.

I've had a bunch of border collies, best dogs in the world.

Getting exited they heard something other than sheep though? Those dogs will herd absolutely anything.

Had one that would "herd" soccer balls.

My sister had a sheltie who happily herded the family whenever they went on a hike. Apparently he taught the practice to the lab who, after the Sheltie's passing, took up the job easily. So odd to be herded by a chocolate lab.

deer burgers mmmm