Fail, subby.

boxiebrown: Fail, subby.

Epic fail.

I would never rat out a friend.

fark it, life's too short.

mainstreet62: I would never rat out a friend.

fark it, life's too short.

Thing is, he ALREADY did rat out his friend. He told them of a conversation he remembered at the time, and somehow in the months after that, he doesn't exactly remember a conversation that he knows is important and remember when asked about it before.

Pettite is a scum bag. Not too shocking when you already know the guy is a cheat.

I fail to see the fail.

rjakobi: I fail to see the fail.

Pettite's not a closer, starters don't usually get saves.

srhp29: Pettite is a scum bag. Not too shocking when you already know the guy is a cheat.

He's hardly a cheat. He used steroids to heal his injured arm. Yes, it was technically against the rules of MLB, but the context is important.

You know, I think I might trust a lawyer turned baseball writer over some yahoo hack:

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 12/05/03/the-daily-news-yahoo-no t- letting-the-facts-get-in-the-way-of-se nsationalism/

mainstreet62: He's hardly a cheat. He used steroids to heal his injured arm. Yes, it was technically against the rules of MLB, but the context is important.

Did he gain an unfair competitive advantage over players who followed the rules?
Technically against the rules is still against the rules.
He is a cheat.

Also if you really believe he only used PEDs in only that one instance I have a bridge for sale that might interest you.

mainstreet62: srhp29: Pettite is a scum bag. Not too shocking when you already know the guy is a cheat.

He's hardly a cheat. He used steroids to heal his injured arm. Yes, it was technically against the rules of MLB, but the context is important.

Let's not do this, dude. I've been a big Pettitte fan for a long, long time, but we can't say that he didn't cheat (unless you want to argue that NONE of that stuff is cheating, but that's a different argument all together). You can maybe say that he cheated to a lesser degree than some other guys, though

mainstreet62: srhp29: Pettite is a scum bag. Not too shocking when you already know the guy is a cheat.

He's hardly a cheat. He used steroids to heal his injured arm. Yes, it was technically against the rules of MLB, but the context is important.

He only admitted to using steroids to heal his arm.

It was a way for him to face the music but look sympathetic.

He's a cheater, like a bunch of the Yankees were.

ghall3: mainstreet62: He's hardly a cheat. He used steroids to heal his injured arm. Yes, it was technically against the rules of MLB, but the context is important.

Did he gain an unfair competitive advantage over players who followed the rules?
Technically against the rules is still against the rules.
He is a cheat.

Also if you really believe he only used PEDs in only that one instance I have a bridge for sale that might interest you.

I personally don't really care who used steroids how much, or what you think about my opinion.

What I do care about is the fact that now there's some semblance of enforcement, imperfect as it may be.

Rex_Banner: (unless you want to argue that NONE of that stuff is cheating, but that's a different argument all together)

I'll make that argument!

'Cept I just did like a day and a half ago and I'm way too lazy to do it again.

Rex_Banner: You can maybe say that he cheated to a lesser degree than some other guys, though

That is what I'm saying. I also did say he technically cheated.

Do reverse snitches get un-stitched?

Fans love it when starters sit on the DL for extended periods of time. How dare Pettitte try to get back on the field! God damn those performance enhancers!

The rules of baseball didn't specify that steroids were illegal! I'm sure they don't have anything about murder in there either, but I'm pretty sure that if someone got caught doing it, it would be frowned upon. You know, because of the whole "illegal" thing.

ghall3: Also if you really believe he only used PEDs in only that one instance I have a bridge for sale that might interest you.

Why do people always say they have a bridge they'd like to sell. I'd love a bridge. You could fish off of it, and maybe charge tolls. If it's low you could dangle your feet in the water.

/wants a bridge

IAmRight: Fans love it when starters sit on the DL for extended periods of time. How dare Pettitte try to get back on the field! God damn those performance enhancers!

How dare he try something to heal a part of his body that his livelihood depends on, right?!

I mean, should men really fear the day they can't work anymore, for whatever reason? Especially if it ends their career prematurely? That's just crazy talk!

skrame: ghall3: Also if you really believe he only used PEDs in only that one instance I have a bridge for sale that might interest you.

Why do people always say they have a bridge they'd like to sell. I'd love a bridge. You could fish off of it, and maybe charge tolls. If it's low you could dangle your feet in the water.

/wants a bridge

and think of the renal opportunities, with the rise in internet trolling plenty of people should be living under them.

TheLopper: The rules of baseball didn't specify that steroids were illegal! I'm sure they don't have anything about murder in there either, but I'm pretty sure that if someone got caught doing it, it would be frowned upon. You know, because of the whole "illegal" thing.

Marty Bergen murdered his entire family, then committed suicide. He received 2 Hall of Fames votes in '37, then one in each of '38 and '39.

DeWayne Mann: Marty Bergen murdered his entire family, then committed suicide. He received 2 Hall of Fames votes in '37, then one in each of '38 and '39.

If he had dared to try to improve his athletic performance, however, he would have received none.

Carth: and think of the renal opportunities, with the rise in internet trolling plenty of people should be living under them.

Interesting typo there. Like you pay money to pee on them?

Or you harvest their kidneys?

Who gives a shiat one way or the other? I don't.

The only people who do are pathetic losers who actually tie their self-esteem to the outcome of baseball statistics, and weather they were achieved under some arbitrary set of rules said pathetic losers approve of.

Pettite is a scum bag. Not too shocking when you already know the guy is a cheat.

B-b-but he's a... CHRISTIAN! They're not supposed to do these things. Oh- wait- he's forgiven.

Got it.

IAmRight: DeWayne Mann: Marty Bergen murdered his entire family, then committed suicide. He received 2 Hall of Fames votes in '37, then one in each of '38 and '39.

If he had dared to try to improve his athletic performance, however, he would have received none.

Carth: and think of the renal opportunities, with the rise in internet trolling plenty of people should be living under them.

Interesting typo there. Like you pay money to pee on them?

If you've never peed off a bridge you haven't lived yet.


/yes it was a typo.

Carth: and think of the renal opportunities

no thanks

Carth: /yes it was a typo.

But more enjoyable and probably more profitable, as trolls probably don't have much money.

IAmRight: If he had dared to try to improve his athletic performance, however, he would have received none.

I dunno, he was much, much better than his brother. I've got no problem using that as evidence that he used steroids. After all, Jose Canseco was much better than Ozzie Canseco.

DeWayne Mann: I dunno, he was much, much better than his brother. I've got no problem using that as evidence that he used steroids. After all, Jose Canseco was much better than Ozzie Canseco.

I knew Hank Aaron was juicing. Cal Ripken, Jr., too.

Interestingly, nearly all sets of brothers seem to have one that juiced and one that didn't, as one is typically far better than the other!

srhp29: Pettite is a scum bag. Not too shocking when you already know the guy is a cheat.

STILL upset about '96 and '99 are we?

IAmRight: I knew Hank Aaron was juicing. Cal Ripken, Jr., too.

Interestingly, nearly all sets of brothers seem to have one that juiced and one that didn't, as one is typically far better than the other!

Stupid DiMaggios.

skrame: Why do people always say they have a bridge they'd like to sell. I'd love a bridge. You could fish off of it, and maybe charge tolls. If it's low you could dangle your feet in the water.

/wants a bridge


You know what? You're right, that sounds pretty awesome. I'm keeping my bridge.

Obviously Pettite changed his story. He doesn't need money(far as I know)so he didn't change it for that. I'd say he was getting some flack from players for being a snitch and that caused a memory lapse.

I'll reserve my anger for congress, waste of time/money on something they never intended to do anything about.

/Sammy Farking Sosa told Congress he didn't speak English, nough said.

I'm still mad they replaced Pettitte with Mariano, subby.

He actually didn't change his story.

/hurry up, Andy, we're getting beat by the TROLLIOLES

IAmRight: DeWayne Mann: I dunno, he was much, much better than his brother. I've got no problem using that as evidence that he used steroids. After all, Jose Canseco was much better than Ozzie Canseco.

I knew Hank Aaron was juicing. Cal Ripken, Jr., too.

Interestingly, nearly all sets of brothers seem to have one that juiced and one that didn't, as one is typically far better than the other!

Hank was on speed.

Yankee pride

mainstreet62: srhp29: Pettite is a scum bag. Not too shocking when you already know the guy is a cheat.

He's hardly a cheat. He used steroids to heal his injured arm. Yes, it was technically against the rules of MLB, but the context is important.

You believe whatever an athlete claims was their "reason"? Really?

BiffDangler: Who gives a shiat one way or the other? I don't.

The only people who do are pathetic losers who actually tie their self-esteem to the outcome of baseball statistics, and weather they were achieved under some arbitrary set of rules said pathetic losers approve of.

Lying to Congress is a serious offense, regardless of your profession. You do realize that is what this is about, right? Perjury before Congress.

The Bestest: srhp29: Pettite is a scum bag. Not too shocking when you already know the guy is a cheat.

STILL upset about '96 and '99 are we?

Not at all. I've always been more upset about 92 than anything else. Damn Lonnie Smith.

I don't care who Pettite played for...It's not how I base opinion of him. I can separate the sport for real life. Try it sometime.

srhp29: Lying to Congress is a serious offense, regardless of your profession. You do realize that is what this is about, right? Perjury before Congress.

Are you talking about Clemens or Pettitte, because Pettitte hasn't changed his story at all.

srhp29: Lying to Congress is a serious offense, regardless of your profession.

Exception: members of Congress.

srhp29: mainstreet62: srhp29: Pettite is a scum bag. Not too shocking when you already know the guy is a cheat.

He's hardly a cheat. He used steroids to heal his injured arm. Yes, it was technically against the rules of MLB, but the context is important.

You believe whatever an athlete claims was their "reason"? Really?

I try to look at it from his perspective, and see if his reason makes sense, rather than have some random mouth breather on the Internet tell me what my opinion should be.

srhp29: mainstreet62: I would never rat out a friend.

fark it, life's too short.

Thing is, he ALREADY did rat out his friend. He told them of a conversation he remembered at the time, and somehow in the months after that, he doesn't exactly remember a conversation that he knows is important and remember when asked about it before.

Pettite is a scum bag. Not too shocking when you already know the guy is a cheat.

I don't know if labeling him with the term 'cheat' is appropriate, but after this I'd say yeah he's a scumbag.

Debeo Summa Credo: I don't know if labeling him with the term 'cheat' is appropriate, but after this I'd say yeah he's a scumbag.

Why? What did Pettitte do wrong? There are two links in this very thread showing Pettitte never changed his testimony.

He pulled a Reagan! Ha!

This seems like the best thread to point out that Mariano Rivera just blew out his knee, possibly ending his career.

DeWayne Mann: This seems like the best thread to point out that Mariano Rivera just blew out his knee, possibly ending his career.

They're calling it a "twisted knee" for now. Nothing further yet.

I swear this year...