christians citing ancient myths to support their social ideology? i don't believe it!

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Yes Yes, this sort of thing never happens.

"I can tell you he was not reprimanded for praying," said Kenneth Brostron, the school's lawyer. "Do you think it makes sense that the teachers would look around the cafeteria and target the one student who was praying quietly at his seat?"

can't see how to argue with that. what teacher doesn't love to get a second of quiet from his/her students?

Eh, what's one more lie to push the "Help help, we're being oppressed!" card.

Way to bear false witness there big guy. Is there a single commandment right wing Xians actually keep?

Their big evidence that "Christianity is under constant attack" is a 20-year-old urban legend?

Yeah, sounds about right.

Dear David Barton,

You're not helping. Please sit down and shut the fark up.

Signed,
Not being and never have been persecuted Christians (which is all of us in America)

But it feels true.

Oh cool, a Christian conservative bashing thread. we haven't had one of those in a good five minutes.

whither_apophis: bear false witness

duffblue: Oh cool, a Christian conservative bashing thread. we haven't had one of those in a good five minutes.

You sound oppressed.

Jon Stewart and other people interviewing these things need to keep a laptop on their desks, bookmarked to snopes.com.

That would nip all this happy horsesht right in the bud.

whither_apophis: Way to bear false witness there big guy. Is there a single commandment right wing Xians actually keep?

Wasn't there one about praying loudly on the street corners so that everyone can see how devout you are? They keep that one.

The worst of these apocryphal stories is the one about the guy who somehow got dosed in sodium and was taken to the emergency room to have all his skin removed because his sweat was setting off 2 foot flames.

PlatinumDragon: duffblue: Oh cool, a Christian conservative bashing thread. we haven't had one of those in a good five minutes.

You sound oppressed.

No, he's just realized the important thing is finding a way to feel superior to both sides.

Contents Under Pressure: Jon Stewart and other people interviewing these things need to keep a laptop on their desks, bookmarked to snopes.com.

That would nip all this happy horsesht right in the bud.

i dunno, i got a pretty convincing email that said that snopes is run by a couple of liberals.

LowbrowDeluxe: PlatinumDragon: duffblue: Oh cool, a Christian conservative bashing thread. we haven't had one of those in a good five minutes.

You sound oppressed.

No, he's just realized the important thing is finding a way to feel superior to both sides.

Almost as if... both sides are bad... so... ?

Gee, a "christian" lied.

Color me shocked....

Um, most anecdotal stories levied by politicians (or other folks with an agenda to push) are extremely exaggerated and/or completely made up.

She comes in colors everywhere: whither_apophis: bear false witness

It's like arming bears per the 2nd Amendment.

duffblue: Oh cool, a Christian conservative bashing thread. we haven't had one of those in a good five minutes.

It's a liberal plot. They force David Barton to repeatedly base his work on discredited myths and urban legends.

One of the main problems (that is, retardants to human life advancing) is that there is, by necessity, an anti-intellectual bias to evangelicalism, which is an emotionally based movement from the late 19th century. The fact that non-political (read: agnostic) religion is fairly new (and will hopefully advance) is also there.

But we are still stuck with willfully ignorant numbnuts that prop up this endless circus tent of BS, demanding that they become ringleaders for a bunch of clowns.

Contents Under Pressure: Jon Stewart and other people interviewing these things need to keep a laptop on their desks, bookmarked to snopes.com.

That would nip all this happy horsesht right in the bud.

Right, because nothing keeps an interview zipping along like stopping it every 2 minutes with "hang on, let me Google that", followed by 4 minutes of silent surfing by the host.

also, in before helpimbeingpersecuted.jpg

Contents Under Pressure: Jon Stewart and other people interviewing these things need to keep a laptop on their desks, bookmarked to snopes.com.

That would nip all this happy horsesht right in the bud.

My Right-Wing Nutjob Co-Worker claims that snopes is just a Soros-owned leftist website meant to undermine 'Merika.

PlatinumDragon: LowbrowDeluxe: PlatinumDragon: duffblue: Oh cool, a Christian conservative bashing thread. we haven't had one of those in a good five minutes.

You sound oppressed.

No, he's just realized the important thing is finding a way to feel superior to both sides.

Almost as if... both sides are bad... so... ?

He fixes the cable? Wait, that's not right

Um, Sarah Palin is automatically President? Sort of seems to fit, but...

Your argument is invalid (because my hair is a bird)?

Damnit, it's on the tip of my tongue. Both sides are bad so something something.

She comes in colors everywhere: whither_apophis: bear false witness



I saw the whole thing. He was just sitting there praying, and the teacher body-slammed him for it.

duffblue: Oh cool, a Christian conservative bashing thread. we haven't had one of those in a good five minutes.

Take your religion back from those that give good reason to bash it and it'll stop. Until then your religion needs bashing and every sheep that complacently follows it.

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Contents Under Pressure: Jon Stewart and other people interviewing these things need to keep a laptop on their desks, bookmarked to snopes.com.

That would nip all this happy horsesht right in the bud.

Right, because nothing keeps an interview zipping along like stopping it every 2 minutes with "hang on, let me Google that", followed by 4 minutes of silent surfing by the host.

the producer could be on it, tho

Contents Under Pressure: Jon Stewart and other people interviewing these things need to keep a laptop on their desks, bookmarked to snopes.com.

That would nip all this happy horsesht right in the bud.

Snopes search, Raymond Raines:

"Sorry, no matches were found containing raymond raines."

They're good and all, but relying on them to be your one source of information is just as bad as relying on chain e-mails. Hell, they say so themselves.

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Contents Under Pressure: Jon Stewart and other people interviewing these things need to keep a laptop on their desks, bookmarked to snopes.com.

That would nip all this happy horsesht right in the bud.

Right, because nothing keeps an interview zipping along like stopping it every 2 minutes with "hang on, let me Google that", followed by 4 minutes of silent surfing by the host.

That's what unpaid research interns, earpieces, and directors are for.

Almet: My Right-Wing Nutjob Co-Worker claims that snopes is just a Soros-owned leftist website meant to undermine 'Merika.

Yikes. So does my mom...and and she BARELY grasps the internet.


/yeah, yeah - mom, grasps, I get it...

You know, if your beliefs are good on their own, then why do you have to make up shiat about them? Aren't accurate and true anecdotes good enough?

/well, maybe they aren't if you have to make up shiat . . .

Christians and right wingers have a policy of spreading "good" lies to help their arguments. They're proud of this and see it as a valid tactic.

GOP/Christians/Tea Party definition of a fact:

#1 If it supports their pre-determined position it is true
#2 If it doesn't support their position it is not true

Clemkadidlefark: Link

Yes Yes, this sort of thing never happens.

Not sure of the point of that link... it's a documentary about the failures of the educational system.

What does that have to do with Christians lying for two decades in the press, to back up a situation that simply isn't happening?

"But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." Matthew 6:6

/oblig

Really, all you have to do in order to disprove Barton is, well... read. The Library of Congress has "The Jefferson Papers", which consists of 27,000 documents written by Jefferson. All you have to do is read them. In it, you'll find that Jefferson considered himself not Christian, but "Deist". You'll also find his revulsion for organized religion, but more entertaining is you'll find his opinions on pre-revolution France. Quite a few similarities to what's going on in the US today.

I'm not going to quote any of them. I'm just going to say that while 27,000 documents is certainly daunting, all you have to do is read them.

Barton, I might note, has already had to rescind "citations" he's used in the past. He is not known for, shall we say, honesty or facts. Again, all it takes is a small amount of reading and searching. The man is full of shiat.

My religion tells me to pray by putting my fists in your eye sockets. Why are you against prayer?

Doc Daneeka: Their big evidence that "Christianity is under constant attack" is a 20-year-old urban legend?

Yeah, sounds about right.

It is under constant attacks, they're call logic, reasoning, and common sense. And don't you know they're trying to teach those threats in school! They aren't doing very well, but they're trying.

rudemix: duffblue: Oh cool, a Christian conservative bashing thread. we haven't had one of those in a good five minutes.

Take your religion back from those that give good reason to bash it and it'll stop. Until then your religion needs bashing and every sheep that complacently follows it.

The same could be said about Judaism and Islam but dat's racist!

Yup, officials from the school accused of wrongdoing deny said wrongdoing. Case closed.

HotWingConspiracy: Christians and right wingers have a policy of spreading "good" lies to help their arguments. They're proud of this and see it as a valid tactic.

Do not lump all Christians in with Right Wingers.

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Contents Under Pressure: Jon Stewart and other people interviewing these things need to keep a laptop on their desks, bookmarked to snopes.com.

That would nip all this happy horsesht right in the bud.

Right, because nothing keeps an interview zipping along like stopping it every 2 minutes with "hang on, let me Google that", followed by 4 minutes of silent surfing by the host.

That's what interns are for...

"Wait a minute David, we've got a yellow card from the sideline."

Wait a minute. I'm not sure whether this happened or not. The kid says it was because he was praying. The school's lawyer said it was because the kid was fighting. Why are people quick to believe a lawyer over the kid?

Back in middle school a number of my friends were VERY Christian. And knowing that I was an atheist, they would get very upset that "Atheists like you don't let us pray in school!".

To which I let them know I didn't have a problem with their private prayers, what I had a problem was with teacher-led prayers and encouraged them to pray before their lunches and to notice that no one would stop them.

After a couple of school lunch prayers, they realized they were wrong and shut up about it after that.

MisterLoki: But it feels true.

Yes, exactly!

While the incident may not have literally happened as described, it is sadly totally plausible that it *could* have happened. That's the real issue.

Welcome to the sharia nightmare of Taxbongo's America.

oh sure subby. next thing you are going to tell me that the gideons he mentioned getting arrested for "not having a parade permit" were really just being loud and obnoxious asshats that wouldn't move or leave when asked politely by the police

duffblue: Oh cool, a Christian conservative bashing thread. we haven't had one of those in a good five minutes.

5 minutes too long