ph0rk: Silly Jesus: ph0rk: Silly Jesus: ph0rk: Also, on the topic of "dragging" children into it. Psychologically nudism has been shown to be extremely advantageous regarding body self perception and self esteem. Essentially, anorexia and other eating disorders are not found in nudist children/adolescents. Nor is body hate.

Extreme selection effects. The types of parents that might take their kids to a nudist whatever are markedly different from the types that wouldn't. Probably even more markedly different from typical parents of anorexic kids.

They controlled for many other variables in the studies. But yes, parent mindset obviously would have something to do with it.

Then they clearly didn't control for enough to try to make a causal argument.

I'll try look them up again. I did a meta-analysis on a bunch of studies for a paper in college...I can't remember all of the specifics off hand.

meta-analyses are only as good as the constituent studies, and usually worse (in terms of validity).

I'm sure there isn't really a lot of good data on this issue, though. It is too rare a scenario to make a good natural experiment and obviously not the sort of thing you can apply to families as some sort of experimental treatment.

Well, not in the US.

The studies were done mostly in the 70's and 80's in various countries, including the US. All of them, with varying methods, found quite similar results. I can only find one study online that looks familiar. I used library books back when I wrote it so it may all be too old to be readily available online anywhere.

jtown: Every time I see a nudist thread, it reminds me of the time a friend told me his parents were nudists. His mom heard the conversation and called me later to ask that I don't tell anyone. I assured her there was no way I would tell anyone about their personal life. Mostly because it's never the people you want to see naked.
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When I was a teenager, there was a story floating around about my friend's parents and one of the teachers from the school going on nude canoe trips. I thought about it every single time I saw them after that.

It had to be bullshiat. Nude canoeing, in northern Michigan? The mosquitoes would have eaten them alive.

spman: If you wanna stop wearing clothes, that's your perogative, but don't drag your kids into it, that's just creepy and weird.

As opposed to what alternative, exactly? Abandoning your children?

"Me and my wife wanted to walk around comfortable with our nudity, but rather than raising our children in our culture like Jews and Muslims and Hindus do with their dietary proscriptions, and clothes-wearing folks do raising their kids to wear clothes, and all parents do with their mores and values, we just dropped our kids off on a street corner so we could walk around naked all the time?"

Yeah, brilliant thought, that.

Maybe if we collectively grew up and stopped being five-year-olds about nudity, the human body, and what we do or don't want to see, we wouldn't have so many problems.

America, where graphic violence, horrible death, and cursing like a sailor gets a movie rated PG-13, but one naked breast demands an R rating and people screaming about sin and evil and thinking of children.

Keizer_Ghidorah: Maybe if we collectively grew up and stopped being five-year-olds about nudity, the human body, and what we do or don't want to see, we wouldn't have so many problems.

America, where graphic violence, horrible death, and cursing like a sailor gets a movie rated PG-13, but one naked breast demands an R rating and people screaming about sin and evil and thinking of children.

But mainly its about weather isnt it?

I mean when you are naked you have zero protection from:

Cold
solar radiation
sand storms
abrasive topography
spiders, bees, scorpions, snakes
rain
hail
stinging plantlife
leeches
mosquitoes
ticks
sharp rocks


I mean I could just take a picture of the planet and say pretty much...... If you arent wearing clothing this will kill you.

Oh and the other thing? Skid Marks on public transit seats. Put your damn pants on hippie.

spman: If you wanna stop wearing clothes, that's your perogative, but don't drag your kids into it, that's just creepy and weird.

There are plenty of places its ok to be naked, even with your family. All of them involve warning the public that you are naked inside.....and then being paranoid about cameras and strangers.

I've been to typical european nude beaches. It works there. In a double wide trailer in New Jersey? Not so much.

archichris: Keizer_Ghidorah: Maybe if we collectively grew up and stopped being five-year-olds about nudity, the human body, and what we do or don't want to see, we wouldn't have so many problems.

America, where graphic violence, horrible death, and cursing like a sailor gets a movie rated PG-13, but one naked breast demands an R rating and people screaming about sin and evil and thinking of children.

But mainly its about weather isnt it?

I mean when you are naked you have zero protection from:

Cold
solar radiation
sand storms
abrasive topography
spiders, bees, scorpions, snakes
rain
hail
stinging plantlife
leeches
mosquitoes
ticks
sharp rocks


I mean I could just take a picture of the planet and say pretty much...... If you arent wearing clothing this will kill you.

Oh and the other thing? Skid Marks on public transit seats. Put your damn pants on hippie.

Cold mostly. The people living in the tropics seem to get by just fine with some stuff covering the mommy and daddy bits, if that. I assume you become more careful when you know getting that tree branch in the crotch will hurt a bit more.

BEST. SHOW. EVER!

It's been said before and I'll say it again. Being a nudist takes all the fun out of being naked.

there are many nudist clubs in NJ but even more that were abandoned as areas became populated. it's weird to stumble across one of those places in the woods. the concrete wall outlines of swimming areas are typically near full from years of raging storm water bringing in rocks and silt from the streams that feed them.

Keizer_Ghidorah: Maybe if we collectively grew up and stopped being five-year-olds about nudity, the human body, and what we do or don't want to see, we wouldn't have so many problems.

America, where graphic violence, horrible death, and cursing like a sailor gets a movie rated PG-13, but one naked breast demands an R rating and people screaming about sin and evil and thinking of children.

THIS

At a hot springs in Paonia CO was a great place to shed clothing. There were all kinds of people, ages, sizes and lifestyles...all nude all friendly and had the best time.

Still go and have lived a better life.

Where do you hang out?

mikdeetx: At a hot springs in Paonia CO was a great place to shed clothing. There were all kinds of people, ages, sizes and lifestyles...all nude all friendly and had the best time.

Still go and have lived a better life.

Sounds like my experience at Bagby Hot Springs in OR. Amazing place.

One thing I have to wonder is how that kid hides his boners when around the young ladies. And what if his hot cousin causes an erection, I mean it was normal for thousands of years for humans to get it on with their cousins so I'd imagine we all have those genes in us. Still has to be awkward though. At least the girls don't need to wonder if he likes her.

ph0rk: Cheese on Cheerios: There's a couple of terrible, terrible fanfic writers in the Harry Potter fandom (Neil, of the "Hogwarts Exposed" series, and Kieran Halcyon of the "Rose Potter" series) who include the most self-righteous and preachy characters extolling the virtues of nudism throughout their stories. Reading these fics (or at least, reading other people's hilarious mockeries of these fics) has completely ruined my image of nudists. It's honestly a shame, because I really do like to learn about why people do things I can't imagine doing, but I couldn't read the article without constantly expecting one of them to burst into a stilted lecture about how dreadful it is to get dressed.

So you read fanfic parodies of other fanfics?

That doesn't seem, well, sad to you?

Eh, we all have our hobbies. Making fun of bad writing is one of mine.

Attractive people should be nudists.

The rest of us, however, look better with our clothes on.

Cheese on Cheerios: There's a couple of terrible, terrible fanfic writers in the Harry Potter fandom (Neil, of the "Hogwarts Exposed" series, and Kieran Halcyon of the "Rose Potter" series) who include the most self-righteous and preachy characters extolling the virtues of nudism throughout their stories. Reading these fics (or at least, reading other people's hilarious mockeries of these fics) has completely ruined my image of nudists. It's honestly a shame, because I really do like to learn about why people do things I can't imagine doing, but I couldn't read the article without constantly expecting one of them to burst into a stilted lecture about how dreadful it is to get dressed.

So its like Ayn Rand, but with clothes standing in for altruism.

Gonad the Ballbarian: I agree with the parents. Nudity is not something to be condemned, on the other hand, I couldn't do it.

Good for them.

Not a fan of, y'know, pockets? Because they're pretty damned necessary to modern life and it's kind of a dick move to raise kids to be uncomfortable when using them.

//While there's not anything necessarily wrong with not having clothes on, about 3/4 of the nudists I've known were assholes compared to about 1/10 of the general population. About the same proportion as luddites, which I suspect isn't coincidental, clothing being one of the basic technological advances of humanity and all. You don't have to be a complete farknugget to reject clothing, but it helps a lot.

Silly Jesus: Psychologically nudism has been shown to be extremely advantageous regarding body self perception and self esteem. Essentially, anorexia and other eating disorders are not found in nudist children/adolescents. Nor is body hate.

My dad has a similar theory only with motorcycles.

His pet phrase is "You never see a motorcycle parked outside a psychologist's office."

That's funny, I didn't know clothes were so comfortable until you stopped wearing them.

Jim_Callahan: Gonad the Ballbarian: I agree with the parents. Nudity is not something to be condemned, on the other hand, I couldn't do it.

Good for them.

Not a fan of, y'know, pockets? Because they're pretty damned necessary to modern life and it's kind of a dick move to raise kids to be uncomfortable when using them.

//While there's not anything necessarily wrong with not having clothes on, about 3/4 of the nudists I've known were assholes compared to about 1/10 of the general population. About the same proportion as luddites, which I suspect isn't coincidental, clothing being one of the basic technological advances of humanity and all. You don't have to be a complete farknugget to reject clothing, but it helps a lot.

How is wearing clothing all the time an advancement? It's needed solely to protect one from the elements. Explain the use of a bathing suit, for example.

Everyone saying things about how some people should or shouldn't be nude based on how they look are missing the, you know, point...

Silly Jesus: Keizer_Ghidorah: Maybe if we collectively grew up and stopped being five-year-olds about nudity, the human body, and what we do or don't want to see, we wouldn't have so many problems.

America, where graphic violence, horrible death, and cursing like a sailor gets a movie rated PG-13, but one naked breast demands an R rating and people screaming about sin and evil and thinking of children.

THIS

Five year olds have no qualms about nudity...you Morin's.

LoneWolf343: Silly Jesus: Keizer_Ghidorah: Maybe if we collectively grew up and stopped being five-year-olds about nudity, the human body, and what we do or don't want to see, we wouldn't have so many problems.

America, where graphic violence, horrible death, and cursing like a sailor gets a movie rated PG-13, but one naked breast demands an R rating and people screaming about sin and evil and thinking of children.

THIS

Five year olds have no qualms about nudity...you Morin's.

I hate autocorrect.

The sad fact about nudism is that most of it's practitioners are people you absolutely do NOT want to see naked.

TV's Vinnie: The sad fact about nudism is that most of it's practitioners are people you absolutely do NOT want to see naked.

Different strokes for different folks. If you can't handle the humongous variety of shapes, sizes, and varieties, too bad, but not everyone is or can be an airbrushed supermodel or bodybuilding Adonis..

spman: If you wanna stop wearing clothes, that's your perogative, but don't drag your kids into it, that's just creepy and weird.

Why is it creepy and weird? Isn't it creepier and weirder that you're asking that question?

Keizer_Ghidorah: TV's Vinnie: The sad fact about nudism is that most of it's practitioners are people you absolutely do NOT want to see naked.

Different strokes for different folks. If you can't handle the humongous variety of shapes, sizes, and varieties, too bad, but not everyone is or can be an airbrushed supermodel or bodybuilding Adonis..
~
?????????? Yes they can.

Eat less, move more. No escaping the facts, fatties. Best thing that's happen in the internet when the fatty-love stopped.

How many youngsters missed that part. At the birth of the internet, for a number of years, we had the "aaawwww, poor fatties. Too much salt in your diet aaawwww. Makes you retain water. Waahgarble thyroid gland aaawwww" carry over nonsense from the PC 1980s.

You getting fatter? You got a fat ass? Eat less, move more.

But you want to stuff crap food in your mouth coz it feels good? I've been there. You don't want to walk anywhere coz it's cold and you are a lazy fark. I've been there.

But it ain't no excuse if dat's what you want to complain about.

_{apologies for a couple of grammar/punctuation errors there - lest you think I am a moran}

Big Ramifications: apologies for a couple of grammar/punctuation errors there - lest you think I am a moran

no, i thought you were fat

Big Ramifications: Keizer_Ghidorah: TV's Vinnie: The sad fact about nudism is that most of it's practitioners are people you absolutely do NOT want to see naked.

Different strokes for different folks. If you can't handle the humongous variety of shapes, sizes, and varieties, too bad, but not everyone is or can be an airbrushed supermodel or bodybuilding Adonis..
~
?????????? Yes they can.

Eat less, move more. No escaping the facts, fatties. Best thing that's happen in the internet when the fatty-love stopped.

How many youngsters missed that part. At the birth of the internet, for a number of years, we had the "aaawwww, poor fatties. Too much salt in your diet aaawwww. Makes you retain water. Waahgarble thyroid gland aaawwww" carry over nonsense from the PC 1980s.

You getting fatter? You got a fat ass? Eat less, move more.

But you want to stuff crap food in your mouth coz it feels good? I've been there. You don't want to walk anywhere coz it's cold and you are a lazy fark. I've been there.

But it ain't no excuse if dat's what you want to complain about.

WTF was that?

Clothes are functional in a large number of ways, as pointed out by others. I truly honestly just don't see the point of deliberately going without them in most situations outside the home. If you want to in your private community, that's cool too. Like the Amish who have their retro-ways in their communities. I don't condemn them for it, I don't think they have cooties, but it's not for me, and probably not for 99.9% of normal people. They are an odd curiosity.

I'm fairly comfortable with my body. There's no shame factor here. And implying that's the only reason people wear clothes is silly and unrealistic. I can understand nudism when taken as a liberating recreational experience or perhaps part time hobby. But when you adopt it as a fulltime "lifestyle" is when I start to question the psychological soundness of it.

Clothes are a highly functional tool. It would be like saying life is much better without cellphones, and refusing to ever use a cellphone. Which, honestly, to me, is sort of weird. Sure the occasional weekend getaway without your cellphone is a liberating feeling without the usual threat of unwanted calls from work, family, etc. No argument there whatsoever. But as a general tool for everyday use? Yeah, I'll keep my cellphone 99% of the time, thanks. And the guy constantly preaching to me about how much better life is without a cellphone, and how he is psychologically more sound for refusing them? Yeah, I consider him a little weird and somewhat annoying and preachy.

Big Ramifications: Keizer_Ghidorah: TV's Vinnie: The sad fact about nudism is that most of it's practitioners are people you absolutely do NOT want to see naked.

Different strokes for different folks. If you can't handle the humongous variety of shapes, sizes, and varieties, too bad, but not everyone is or can be an airbrushed supermodel or bodybuilding Adonis..
~
?????????? Yes they can.

Eat less, move more. No escaping the facts, fatties. Best thing that's happen in the internet when the fatty-love stopped.

How many youngsters missed that part. At the birth of the internet, for a number of years, we had the "aaawwww, poor fatties. Too much salt in your diet aaawwww. Makes you retain water. Waahgarble thyroid gland aaawwww" carry over nonsense from the PC 1980s.

You getting fatter? You got a fat ass? Eat less, move more.

But you want to stuff crap food in your mouth coz it feels good? I've been there. You don't want to walk anywhere coz it's cold and you are a lazy fark. I've been there.

But it ain't no excuse if dat's what you want to complain about.

Wow, calm down, dude. Mention that not everyone can be physical perfection and you go off on a psychotic raging rant against "fatties" and attack me for no reason.

After reading everything in this thread, it makes me wonder how people ever survived before clothing was invented.

I mean, who can imagine people viewing the naked human body in a non-sexual context? To many people here on FARK, it would seem an impossibility.

b3x: Ya know if you want to hang out in the house naked, thats fine. but seriously who wants to let their kids run around naked in a place where there is undoubtedly some folks who are there only to look at kids naked. nudist camps have to be a haven for low life degenerates ... even if they try to weed em out.

You should get that brain checked out by a psychiatrist before those symptoms get any worse.

Sodom_Ghidorah:

Wow, calm down, dude. Mention that not everyone can be physical perfection and you go off on a psychotic raging rant against "fatties" and attack me for no reason.
~

Ease up, sizzlechest. Psychotic, eh?

Pretty much everyone can be in tip top physical shape and not have wads of fat hanging off our stomach and legs. Sure, we have our our Roy Nelsons. But most fatties are too lazy and too hedonistic and too addicted to shiat food to make the big changes.

Stuffing food in your gob is one of life's great pleasures. I wasn't being sarcastic. But it ain't an excuse. Sitting on your ass and not exercising and playing XBox all day is one of life's great pleasures.

Beowoolfie: b3x: Ya know if you want to hang out in the house naked, thats fine. but seriously who wants to let their kids run around naked in a place where there is undoubtedly some folks who are there only to look at kids naked. nudist camps have to be a haven for low life degenerates ... even if they try to weed em out.

You should get that brain checked out by a psychiatrist before those symptoms get any worse.


Um, it would seem that psychiatrist visit would be in order for the nudists also, since they do a background check on anyone who even visits their community. And it says so in the article.

Nice ad hominem though. You'll do well here.

Has anyone mentioned that most nudists are people you DON'T want to see naked?

I'd say that, except nudism doesn't seem to be about sex, so who cares what they look like.

ThrobblefootSpectre: Clothes are functional in a large number of ways, as pointed out by others. I truly honestly just don't see the point of deliberately going without them in most situations outside the home. If you want to in your private community, that's cool too. Like the Amish who have their retro-ways in their communities. I don't condemn them for it, I don't think they have cooties, but it's not for me, and probably not for 99.9% of normal people. They are an odd curiosity.

I'm fairly comfortable with my body. There's no shame factor here. And implying that's the only reason people wear clothes is silly and unrealistic. I can understand nudism when taken as a liberating recreational experience or perhaps part time hobby. But when you adopt it as a fulltime "lifestyle" is when I start to question the psychological soundness of it.

Clothes are a highly functional tool. It would be like saying life is much better without cellphones, and refusing to ever use a cellphone. Which, honestly, to me, is sort of weird. Sure the occasional weekend getaway without your cellphone is a liberating feeling without the usual threat of unwanted calls from work, family, etc. No argument there whatsoever. But as a general tool for everyday use? Yeah, I'll keep my cellphone 99% of the time, thanks. And the guy constantly preaching to me about how much better life is without a cellphone, and how he is psychologically more sound for refusing them? Yeah, I consider him a little weird and somewhat annoying and preachy.

I don't understand your analogy. Cellphones have a myriad of practical purposes. Clothing is warn by nudists and non-nudists alike as protection against the elements, but beyond that, what purpose does it really serve? It's been in the 90's everyday here for weeks. Clothing, especially at the pool, has been of no use to me under these circumstances. It's sweaty and clingy but serves no purpose for a great number of people the majority of the time.

/just a devil's advocate argument
//not advocating for everyone naked everywhere all the time...just not gonna happen
///nttawwt

Arcane_Lurker: Has anyone mentioned that most nudists are people you DON'T want to see naked?
~
Has anyone mentioned that most people can't do anything about being physically repulsive?

FATTY LOVE!

Silly Jesus: Meethos: Silly Jesus: steamingpile: freetomato: While I respect their comfort with nudity, from my experience (three nude beaches in my lifetime) nudists are rarely people that you want to see naked.

This

99% of the population needs to cover up

Why? Because it makes you uncomfortable?

No, because they're fat and/or ugly.

Do they have cooties too?

Possibly, fat and ugly people should always be covered up, nobody wants to date you and nobody wants to see you naked.

If we were meant to be naked, G-d would not have created so many beautiful animals that are so much fun to hunt and KILL KILL KILL and wear their skins. Nudists just don't get it.

Big Ramifications: You getting fatter? You got a fat ass? Eat less, move more.

But you want to stuff crap food in your mouth coz it feels good? I've been there. You don't want to walk anywhere coz it's cold and you are a lazy fark. I've been there.

But it ain't no excuse if dat's what you want to complain about.

Cowardly internet prick. If you're anywhere near Philly come say that to my face...and crippled limbs and dying heart.

If me dying slowly from arthritis and vagus nerve damage isn't an excuse in your bigoted little mind, how about my very good friend who has Stage 4 cancer and will never leave bed for the remainder of his life? Does HE have an acceptable excuse, or does the existence of his fatness drive you to insults too?

Fark you. I'll bet you came up with "Big Ramifications" as a handle after steroids made your cock shrink.

//Life is never a simple as stupid people think.

ThrobblefootSpectre: I truly honestly just don't see the point of deliberately going without them in most situations outside the home.

There are certainly reasons to wear clothes, at least for certain situations, but unless you were born clothed and never removed them you can't be "deliberately going without them" -- not being dressed the the default (and sometimes necessary) state so you're deliberately getting dressed, not the other way around.

Silly Jesus: Clothing, especially at the pool, has been of no use to me under these circumstances. It's sweaty and clingy but serves no purpose for a great number of people the majority of the time.

You spend the majority of your time at the pool? Most people don't have that luxury.

For the sake of clarity, I will simply say the bolded part of the quote is simply false. Not going to bother with a long calm explanation of living somewhere with cold temperatures, lots of sun (skin cancer), having pockets, carrying a wallet, stepping on glass or a sharp rock.

Or the simple fact that many people actually like clothes as a decoration or statement, rather than a horrible necessity born of shame and self-loathing. You know how I know you've never lived with or been clothes shopping with a woman? I'm good with some jeans and t-shirts, but women loooooooooove clothes.

Big Ramifications: Sodom_Ghidorah:

Wow, calm down, dude. Mention that not everyone can be physical perfection and you go off on a psychotic raging rant against "fatties" and attack me for no reason.
~

Ease up, sizzlechest. Psychotic, eh?

Pretty much everyone can be in tip top physical shape and not have wads of fat hanging off our stomach and legs. Sure, we have our our Roy Nelsons. But most fatties are too lazy and too hedonistic and too addicted to shiat food to make the big changes.

Stuffing food in your gob is one of life's great pleasures. I wasn't being sarcastic. But it ain't an excuse. Sitting on your ass and not exercising and playing XBox all day is one of life's great pleasures.

Pointlessly changing my name, continuing to rant and rage about "fatties", and using as many cartoon nicknames for things as possible. Yeah, ITG troll. Go back to /b/, kid.

silly americans and their misplaced moral outrage.

profplump: not being dressed the the default (and sometimes necessary) state so you're deliberately getting dressed, not the other way around.

I disagree. Anyone who describes themselves as a nudist is making the deliberate decision. I don't identify myself as a "clothist". The choice of clothed or nude doesn't centrally define my self identification and entire lifestyle, unlike nudists.

oh and I forgot to add...