sjcousins: Grables'Daughter: Good morning everyone!

Since this IS a cancer thread, may I please put in a shameless plug for the cancer agency that I am raising money for? Our biggest fundraiser of the year is tomorrow, and I am looking for donations. The charity is one that I volunteer at regularly, and it's called United Cancer Services of Elkhart County. It was chartered in 1953, and our website is www.ElkhartCancer.org

May I please ask you kind Farkers for a donation? My donation page is here.

Let me know if you have any questions about the agency, and I will answer them as best I can.

Thank you guys so much for considering helping!

I don't know, I read somewhere that donating to cancer research causes cancer...

It's not for research.

We raise money to help people that have cancer.

Most people don't understand that if you get cancer - even if you have insurance, you are still left with what may basically amount to as a mortgage on your cancer.

I'm telling you, this is a great agency.

Brilliant!

namatad: Everything gives you cancer
There's no cure, there's no answer

Of course there's no cure. Now there may be drugs to slow or mask the symptoms, but once a patient is 'cured' they are no longer a customer.

hitlersbrain: Rasraf Mekerk: hitlersbrain: Is that like the AIDS drug AZT given to HIV positive patients that destroys immune systems and thus causes AIDS?


Ah, the old "meds cause AIDS" line.

2/10

Check the side effects. It was originally an anti-cancer drug. Hopefully they don't use this anymore but they did for a long, long time. It's scary how dumb smart people can be sometimes.
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Please let be troll. AIDS Denialists are the scum of the earth.

KrispyKritter: There are few things in medicine that do not have unwanted side effects. Hopefully the good outweighs the bad.

You break your arm. An x-ray is necessary for the MD to see the damage but you are exposed to radiation. A cast is put on your arm to allow the bone to set and mend but the muscles will slowly begin to atrophy.

You have a headache. If you've never used aspirin before hopefully you won't find out you are allergic. And many people get upset stomach from acetaminophen.

You are battling depression to the point where you are unable to be a fully functioning individual. The side effects of psychiatric meds are extensive, sometimes including spiraling out of control and into suicidal behavior.

The list goes on and on. As I mentioned hopefully the good outweighs the bad.



None of which is anything to do with what the original poster derped - "All pharmaceuticals have side affects and interfere with body's innate ability to heal." Not all drugs "interfere with the body's innate ability to heal", some boost it and many (antibiotics, for instance) do things that the body absolutely cannot.

Knowing from past threads that AbbeySomeone is anti-vax as well, this just fills in the picture of someone completely anti-medicine and anti-evidence, with a full belief in woo and crap. One hopes that she doesn't have children.

Yes, many or most meds have side effects to be balanced against the good effects. It's not magic, which is precisely the point.

Trance750: namatad: Everything gives you cancer
There's no cure, there's no answer

Of course there's no cure. Now there may be drugs to slow or mask the symptoms, but once a patient is 'cured' they are no longer a customer.


You're an idiot also.

Gothnet: Trance750: namatad: Everything gives you cancer
There's no cure, there's no answer

Of course there's no cure. Now there may be drugs to slow or mask the symptoms, but once a patient is 'cured' they are no longer a customer.


You're an idiot also.

Nope. Just not blind.

jojostan: Badgerlad: Well, that sets a new standard for truth in advertising...

Think I'd rather take my chances with cigs, if those have side effects it just might be immortality.

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so half of regular smokers may die?
I've got a 50/50 chance at immortality!

Apparently if you smoke Marlboros yes you've got a 50/50 shot at never dying.

SpikeStrip: not really ironic. analogous to flu shots, cancer drugs have to give you a little bit of cancer first.

With the exception of a small number of vax drugs, this statement is not even remotely true.

Trance750: Gothnet: Trance750: namatad: Everything gives you cancer
There's no cure, there's no answer

Of course there's no cure. Now there may be drugs to slow or mask the symptoms, but once a patient is 'cured' they are no longer a customer.


You're an idiot also.

Nope. Just not blind.

Sorry, no. You can have your eyes open and still only be able to count as far as potato, as you so ably demonstrate.

1 out every 3 smokers dies of cancer. 1 out of every 5 strokes are caused by smoking.



You actually believe that bullshiat propoganda? Talk about naive.

Gothnet: Trance750: Gothnet: Trance750: namatad: Everything gives you cancer
There's no cure, there's no answer

Of course there's no cure. Now there may be drugs to slow or mask the symptoms, but once a patient is 'cured' they are no longer a customer.


You're an idiot also.

Nope. Just not blind.

Sorry, no. You can have your eyes open and still only be able to count as far as potato, as you so ably demonstrate.

Nope. I just see things for as they are, not just as I wish they were.

Most chemotherapy drugs carry a risk of causing cancer, usually at a different site and most often decades later. Yeah we need to work on other modes of treatment than gene-based seek and destroy, but we have trillion dollar wars to fight to control oil .

hitlersbrain: Rasraf Mekerk: hitlersbrain: Is that like the AIDS drug AZT given to HIV positive patients that destroys immune systems and thus causes AIDS?


Ah, the old "meds cause AIDS" line.

2/10

Check the side effects. It was originally an anti-cancer drug. Hopefully they don't use this anymore but they did for a long, long time. It's scary how dumb smart people can be sometimes.
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It's even scarier how dumb the dumb people can be.

/let's face it, we're all dumb

Trance750: Nope. I just see things for as they are, not just as I wish they were.I live in a fantasy world where I have convinced myself that I am the last sane man on Earth, able to see what all the other impotent sheeple cannot. The conspiracies are true, Big Pharma keeps you sick for profits. They're that good. You are just not as awesome as me, and I tell myself that until I believe it.

There. Fixed that for you.

Gothnet:

Yes, but there are limits, and we have pharmaceuticals, vaccines and medical/surgical procedures to help work around those. For example it's true that most people's bodies can fight off measles and other so-called childhood diseases without vaccination. It's also true that thousands upon thousands of children used to die or live with brain damage, blindness, sterility or other conditions that they now don't need to because we have vaccinations against these diseases.

Just because vaccines are in fact a very useful and largely benign technology does not mean that all the creations of the pharmaceutical industry are. One of the things that is broken about our health care system is the marketing of drugs which do more harm than good. I'm not sure how any rational person who listens to some of the side effects of widely-prescribed drugs on TV ads and then takes the trouble to look at efficacy trials could think that the pharmaceutical industry is not completely out of control in this country.

Greenbeanx: Gothnet: Uh, no, many drugs help that, or do things that the body cannot do itself.

Question is would we need all these drugs if people took care of themselves, ate what their body needed, and exercised? I'm sure taking drugs to cover up symptoms of illness only works for awhile while the body continues to fall apart from lack of care. Not to mention a list of side effects. The body can do some extraordinary feats yet we do not allow it to..just keep popping those pills.

With a few exceptions, yes we would. Especially if we wanted to live long lives. Of course good diet and exercise are important to health, but they don't stop you getting any number of diseases, conditions and injuries. Injectable insulin didn't cure my grandmothers diabetes but it let her celebrate her 87th birthday. An inhaler won't cure your asthma but it will stop you asphyxiating. In most cases, treating symptoms is highly beneficial to remaining alive.

Nothing new....cancer treatments have been causing cancer for years

Radiation is still used to kill cancer cells, even though radiation causes cancer

Ric Romero must have got hired by the Winnipeg Free Press

Greenbeanx: Gothnet: Uh, no, many drugs help that, or do things that the body cannot do itself.

Question is would we need all these drugs if people took care of themselves, ate what their body needed, and exercised? I'm sure taking drugs to cover up symptoms of illness only works for awhile while the body continues to fall apart from lack of care. Not to mention a list of side effects. The body can do some extraordinary feats yet we do not allow it to..just keep popping those pills.

Statistical evidence regarding mortality rates and lifespans would tend to disagree with you. While yes, a healthier lifestyle would be healthier than a non-healthy lifestyle, the current arsenal of drugs is doing a fine job of extending lifespans even in the face of excessive lifestyles.

Fun Fact: Chemo is carcinogenic. Says so right on the packaging, as well as the equipment used to administer treatment.

So are the detergents we use to clean medical equipment. Serious Bad Actors. Requires a bunny suit just to be in the room with them.

/"I'm going to have cancer, tonight!"
//birth defects as well, but I ain't breeding, so that's no thang

There will never be a cure for cancer. Do you know why? CANCER IS NOT ONE DISEASE. IT IS A BLANKET TERM FOR AN INFINITE NUMBER OF DISEASES, EACH ONE UNIQUE.

Many are no longer focusing on trying to figure out how to kill X cancer. They are trying to figure out how to make the body's immune system kill anything cancerous. Its like trying to have a weapon for every type of invader storming your castle.

Statistical evidence regarding mortality rates and lifespans would tend to disagree with you. While yes, a healthier lifestyle would be healthier than a non-healthy lifestyle, the current arsenal of drugs is doing a fine job of extending lifespans even in the face of excessive lifestyles.

I think his point is that if people took care of themselves better, that they'd be on less medications, which most likely cause many cancers due to chemicals in the body.

I mean, I think we can all figure out from the commercials alone from law firms that the FDA does not do a good job and that these drugs out there for all these conditions, many which can be avoided, cause many side affects, including cancer.

There are good things that have come from research, but I think right now we are out of control on medications...it's an epidemic.

Badgerlad: Well, that sets a new standard for truth in advertising...

Think I'd rather take my chances with cigs, if those have side effects it just might be immortality.

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Pretty sure all smokers 'eventually die'.

/tried nearly every illegal drug there is
//tobacco is the only drug i truly regret, and far more addicting than anything else
///lights up

The was a similar article a while back about health professional who mix/administer cancer meds are at higher risk of cancer.

Duh, that's why you take the anti-cancer drugs.

It is agreed that we are pill-happy society in general. But there is a reason all the medications have side effects. They do something to the body to fix a problem. And lot of side effects can be avoided or managed if talk to the fella behind the pharmacy counter (I will gladly answer your questions since that's what I get paid big bucks for!) but that is asking for too much. For example, most antibiotics cause diarrhea because they kill the gut flora and you can eat yogurt daily and the diarrhea will be better. Some antibiotics make you photosensitive, so pharmacist will tell you to put on sunscreen if you wait long enough for him to finish the sentence. If some of you blood pressure medications make you feel lethargic, it's because they slow down your heart so talk to your doctor and he/she will lower the dose. Cancer drugs can cause cancer because they target rapidly diving cancerous cells as well as healthy cells that divide at rapid pace. Most cancer drugs are not target specific thus they can damage the healthy cells and cause mutations that result in cancer somewhere in the future.

So all the morons who wanna complain about "side effects" and "no cure for cancer/AIDS cuz big pharma needs money," stay the hell away from my pharmacy counter!

BronyMedic: In addition, do you realize the sheer amount of money that someone would make if they did develop a cure for cancer? Everyone, if they live long enough, will get cancer. Cancer will not stop. The only way to prevent cancer is to develop some form of magic which would prevent DNA damage, and repair it as it occurs.

Well, to be fair, if we ever get programable retroviruses, we could, in theory, repair DNA damage.
/Or, you know, wipe ourselves out. That's also an option.

Trance750: Nope. Just not blind.

Except people have already explained why you're wrong: If someone develops a cure for cancer, it doesn't cause people to stop getting cancer, due to the nature of cancer. Thus, a cure for ANY kind of cancer is basically a license to print money, and would also vault a drug company to superstar status overnight. I mean, seriously, think of the positive press, too. They would make money hand over fist.

The other problem with your theory is that every scientist involved has to be in on it. . As do universities, since that's where a majority of starting research occurs these days. Do you also believe climate change is a conspiracy? And that the US never landed on the moon?

Cyclophosphamide called from the 1950s, it wants it's title back. Chemotherapy kills a fast-growing cancer and as a side effect often creates a different, slower-developing cancer that hits you years later. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

/In all seriousness, chemo saved my dad's life twice, stems cells did once and bone marrow did a 4th time.
//There will not be a 5th.
///Fark you, cancer.

badsah11: So all the morons who wanna complain about "side effects" and "no cure for cancer/AIDS cuz big pharma needs money," stay the hell away from my pharmacy counter!

These guys know all about side-effects. Their moronism is a direct result of a pharmaceutical professional's offerings. Well, their environment could also have amplified the effects.

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There will never be a cure for cancer. Do you know why? CANCER IS NOT ONE DISEASE. IT IS A BLANKET TERM FOR AN INFINITE NUMBER OF DISEASES, EACH ONE UNIQUE.

Then perhaps it's time to use a new word, since there is no real meaning to that term.

knobmaker: Just because vaccines are in fact a very useful and largely benign technology does not mean that all the creations of the pharmaceutical industry are. One of the things that is broken about our health care system is the marketing of drugs which do more harm than good. I'm not sure how any rational person who listens to some of the side effects of widely-prescribed drugs on TV ads and then takes the trouble to look at efficacy trials could think that the pharmaceutical industry is not completely out of control in this country.

Never said they were entirely benign, not sure where you got that impression, I entered this discussion to call bullshiat on AbbeySomeone's mystical-thinking nonsense.

And (I can guess but I'm going to say it anyway) exactly which country do you think we're talking about? TFA is about Canada, I'm British and I live in Australia. None of these places have wacky tv ads for pharmaceuticals, AFAICT.

Trance750: Nope. I just see things for as they are, not just as I wish they were.

No, you see a conspiracy, a facile one at that. The facts of the matter are that more people survive cancer, and come off the meds, than ever before.

Felgraf: Except people have already explained why you're wrong: If someone develops a cure for cancer, it doesn't cause people to stop getting cancer, due to the nature of cancer. Thus, a cure for ANY kind of cancer is basically a license to print money, and would also vault a drug company to superstar status overnight. I mean, seriously, think of the positive press, too. They would make money hand over fist.

Quit being intentionally obtuse, If someone invents the cure for cancer, how will other people be able to catch it? Can you answer that, smart guy?

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There will never be a cure for cancer. Do you know why? CANCER IS NOT ONE DISEASE. IT IS A BLANKET TERM FOR AN INFINITE NUMBER OF DISEASES, EACH ONE UNIQUE.

Then perhaps it's time to use a new word, since there is no real meaning to that term.

May I suggest "Funky Winkerbean"?

Optimal_Illusion: Then perhaps it's time to use a new word, since there is no real meaning to that term.

May I suggest "Funky Winkerbean"?

Cancer cancerbean?

/Cancer

Gothnet: AbbeySomeone: This should surprise no one. All pharmaceuticals have side affects and interfere with body's innate ability to heal.

Uh, no, many drugs help that, or do things that the body cannot do itself.

You're the anti-vax crazy as well, aren't you? So you believe in all that animistic-healing bullshiat too? Awesome.


ALL alkylating agent class of chemotherapeutic drugs are mutagenic, carcinogenic, and cytotoxic. Thisis a well known fact- they work by triggering the P53 apoptotic cycle in cells that have yet to mutate it (p53)- also there are ~7000 genes that will kill the cell if mutated, ~500 that will make it worse, its a matter of using poison to cure toxicity in a sense. These drugs are toxic to both healthy and cancerous cells, but most function by binding DNA and damaging it (google nitrogenous mustards if you dont believe me). Cancerous cells are supersaturated with DNA so they are more likely to be alkylated.
/rx student
/not an antivaxxer

Baumli: ALL alkylating agent class of chemotherapeutic drugs are mutagenic, carcinogenic, and cytotoxic. Thisis a well known fact- they work by triggering the P53 apoptotic cycle in cells that have yet to mutate it (p53)- also there are ~7000 genes that will kill the cell if mutated, ~500 that will make it worse, its a matter of using poison to cure toxicity in a sense. These drugs are toxic to both healthy and cancerous cells, but most function by binding DNA and damaging it (google nitrogenous mustards if you dont believe me). Cancerous cells are supersaturated with DNA so they are more likely to be alkylated.
/rx student
/not an antivaxxer

Sure, but thats not "All pharmaceuticals have side effects and interfere with the body's innate ability to heal itself" either.

Many drugs, especially chemo drugs, have really nasty side effects, if you can even call them side effects rather than collateral damage from the main, intended effects.

I in no way seek to dispute this. If you think I was claiming that pharmaceuticals are all fairy dust and unicorns then you read me wrong.

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Good morning everyone!

Since this IS a cancer thread, may I please put in a shameless plug for the cancer agency that I am raising money for? Our biggest fundraiser of the year is tomorrow, and I am looking for donations. The charity is one that I volunteer at regularly, and it's called United Cancer Services of Elkhart County. It was chartered in 1953, and our website is www.ElkhartCancer.org

May I please ask you kind Farkers for a donation? My donation page is here.

Let me know if you have any questions about the agency, and I will answer them as best I can.

Thank you guys so much for considering helping!



Do we get VIE if we donate?

jojostan: Badgerlad: Well, that sets a new standard for truth in advertising...

Think I'd rather take my chances with cigs, if those have side effects it just might be immortality.

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so half of regular smokers may die?
I've got a 50/50 chance at immortality!

Heh, I know, right? I'm digging these odds...

/puff puff