Would it pay for itself too?

can we pick out the flowers that we are greeted with this time? i'm f*cking sick of iraqi posies.

I call bullshiat.

After Iraq, if there is one thing that we should have learned, it is that there are too many damned variables to be able to make these kinds of predictions.

cman: I call bullshiat.

After Iraq, if there is one thing that we should have learned, it is that there are too many damned variables to be able to make these kinds of predictions.

ok we don't have to get as specific as "3 weeks." but i'm sure you'll agree that we can ballpark it between either six days, six weeks, or six months, right?

SilentStrider: Would it pay for itself too?

Only if we cut taxes. I'm always surprised that people don't get that part.

What is this, like, step 3 in the list of ways to make another war palatable?

/desensitization

Depends what you consider victory, toppling the regime? probably doable. But the next 20 years would suck.

Mentat: SilentStrider: Would it pay for itself too?

Only if we cut taxes. I'm always surprised that people don't get that part.

Silly me. You're right.

Well? What are we waiting for? FOR LIBERTY!

It could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.

Fark it. Start a war. Enact a draft. I don't care anymore. I'm sick of looking for work, anyway.

Shhhh. This is TOP SECRET!!!!!! We wouldn't want Iran to know about this while we are negotiating with them...

thomps: cman: I call bullshiat.

After Iraq, if there is one thing that we should have learned, it is that there are too many damned variables to be able to make these kinds of predictions.

ok we don't have to get as specific as "3 weeks." but i'm sure you'll agree that we can ballpark it between either six days, six weeks, or six months, right?

Because they are so much more willing to Imperialistic change/influence than Afghanistan?

SilentStrider: Mentat: SilentStrider: Would it pay for itself too?

Only if we cut taxes. I'm always surprised that people don't get that part.

Silly me. You're right.

All we have to do is shift some money from the Dept of Education, NPR, and PBS and we'll be in the black for a decade!

Wining the war would only take a few weeks, that's all it took in both Iraq and Afghanistan, its the 10 year occupation that is the real biatch

Pentagon strategists estimate that they would need less than a month to defeat Iranian forces should a military conflict take place.

That's probably accurate.

If you can ignore the post-whoopin' shiatstorm, anyway.

Tarkus: It could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.

Three weeks before any recognizable command and control disappears, another three to finish off anything resembling organized conventional resistance. Something like 100,000 refugees, min 50-75k dead in first year, min 7 years of occupation costing trillions and a few thousand Americans along with another 50-100k civilian dead.

Sounds awesome.

The wrong lessons were learned from Libya. Only when the people themselves rise up can fighting in support of them offer any advantages. We CANNOT shoot first, or all is lost. Drones will not be enough, no matter what Obama thinks.

The only time a country with a nuclear weapons program has dismantled it was in South Africa. Examine its history if you wish to see a model that might bear out.

Of course it'd only take three weeks. Week one would be our bombing the shiat out of Iran. Week two would be Russia, China, and the USA launching every available nuke at each other. Week three would be counting whoever had the most people left after week two.

We have so much more to gain from NOT going to war than we have by going to war with them.

I have met so many Iranians who are so educated and modern and pro-Western, it would be such a terrible shame to go to war against Iran when we could instead negotiate with the current Islamist regime and gradually gently push them towards modernity and democracy, much like our relationship with China or Burma or Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.

FTFA "US Central Command (CENTCOM) believes it can destroy or significantly degrade Iran's conventional armed forces in about three weeks using air and sea strikes, a defense source told The Washington Post. "

Sure let's do it, ten years later after a siege we can really take 'em out.

vernonFL: We have so much more to gain from NOT going to war than we have by going to war with them.

I have met so many Iranians who are so educated and modern and pro-Western, it would be such a terrible shame to go to war against Iran when we could instead negotiate with the current Islamist regime and gradually gently push them towards modernity and democracy, much like our relationship with China or Burma or Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.

Very true, but gas prices were starting to drop at least here.

We would also get the chance to try out a lot of the anti-missile defense systems on our ships in the Gulf.

I think that "victory" is being defined here as "making the Iranian regime pay for developing nukes by hitting a bunch of nuke related targets and degrading their military". I don't think they are talking about regime change or occupation.

Just like every other contracted job that ends up taking years.

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Good news. U.S. victory over Iran would only take 3 minutes, so no big deal

If you're gonna lie. Go big.

Will they greet us as liberators?

omnibus_necanda_sunt: The wrong lessons were learned from Libya. Only when the people themselves rise up can fighting in support of them offer any advantages. We CANNOT shoot first, or all is lost. Drones will not be enough, no matter what Obama thinks.

The only time a country with a nuclear weapons program has dismantled it was in South Africa. Examine its history if you wish to see a model that might bear out.

They tried that. Remember when the government shut down communications but people were able to communicate using Twitter? And remember when we did nothing to support them and the opposition was wiped out? That was our chance and their chance. Doubt it will happen again anytime soon.

It worked so well in Vietnam Iraq Afghanistan why the hell wouldn't it work in Iran, too?

I will go along with as long as if on day 22 if everything isn't complete I get to go on an iraq war PTSD induced rampage in the nearest population center for 24 hours and not be held accountable.

Ahh Russia times.


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I will go along with as long as if on day 22 if everything isn't complete I get to go on an iraq war PTSD induced rampage in the nearest population center for 24 hours and not be held accountable.

Hear hear.

What booze would you prefer to help get sh*t spun up?

-_-

Gyrfalcon: It worked so well in Vietnam Iraq Afghanistan why the hell wouldn't it work in Iran, too?

Of course it'll work, just you don't understand the true victory conditions on the scenario.

Comports with my own assessment about our capability to wipe their conventional forces. Just don't try and occupy the country afterwards, and we're golden. Otherwise, we'll be looking back with fondness at Iraq in comparison.

They are going to throw a Nike at you, Barack.

just send them the box sets of our daytime television programs, and blueprints of our education system, and they'll just kill themselves.

MeinRS6: We would also get the chance to try out a lot of the anti-missile defense systems on our ships in the Gulf.

You're actually drooling at the prospect of another war.

meat0918: Good news. U.S. victory over Iran would only take 3 minutes, so no big deal

If you're gonna lie. Go big.

One MIRV from a sub and things would wrap up in around that.

tinfoil-hat maggie: Gyrfalcon: It worked so well in Vietnam Iraq Afghanistan why the hell wouldn't it work in Iran, too?

Of course it'll work, just you don't understand the true victory conditions on the scenario.

The military's job is to tell you how fast they can take out the enemy's military. If there's something else that needs doing, the military may not be your best option.

I remember when I was a kid in Southern California in the late 70s, and my neighbors were Persian. I was little so I don't remember, but that was probably a very tough time for a lot of Iranian Americans in 1979, probably just like a lot of Arab Americans after September 11th.

CSB: I guess I have a unique experience in that I grew up as an white Catholic in Southern California in the late 70s and early 80s, and many of my friends were Iranian, in fact my babysitter was from Iran.

In a perfect world China would step up and crush NK in 20 days making the US look like WTF

defeat is one thing--

farting around the country to make sure everyone is happy, peace restored, people patting us on the back thanking us for the job well done------years, and years, and years, and years.

take a look at iraq--had the job done quick---how long were we there?

Yes, and all our soldiers would be home by Christmas.

/They never said which Christmas...

The Why Not Guy: MeinRS6: We would also get the chance to try out a lot of the anti-missile defense systems on our ships in the Gulf.

You're actually drooling at the prospect of another war.

He'd like the idea of his people being able to throw a nuke on Tehran and not get any blame for it, amirite, Wandering Jew?

The Why Not Guy: MeinRS6: We would also get the chance to try out a lot of the anti-missile defense systems on our ships in the Gulf.

You're actually drooling at the prospect of another war.

Errr...no. I was pointing out one of the risks of a shooting war with Iran.

MeinRS6: meat0918: Good news. U.S. victory over Iran would only take 3 minutes, so no big deal

If you're gonna lie. Go big.

One MIRV from a sub and things would wrap up in around that.

The U.S. is not going to sleep with you.

We'll all be home by Christmas, boys!

As if Iraq wasn't a quagmire
As if Afghanistan wasn't a quagmire

People who argued that war with either of these countries was going to be a quagmire were laughed at and shouted down by the Bush administration and their toadies.

As if any farking war in the Middle East is not going to be a quagmire.

I propose that all these assholes beating the drums for a war be on the front lines of the invasion, naked with but a jockstrap, and a 9mm pistol.

This is nothing more than a repeat of PNAC bullshiat. William Kristol and his buddies need to be tried for treason and hanged, the Iranian way.

Oh yeah, and a vote for Romney means we invade Iran. No question about it, because Romney's foreign policy advisors are directly from the Foreign Policy Institute, aka PNAC II, and the only person missing is William Kristol himself, because it would be too farking obvious.

(all this is verifiable, btw, and not tinfoil hattery)