Theaetetus: ProfessorOhki: Alright, bear with me here, but why don't we just eat the smaller pieces of meat?

Sometimes it's done for effect:
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I'd say once you're at the level of food snobbery where people start using re-purposed lab equipment, all bets are off :)

I assumed that it was at least in fairly wide use to even be an issue, but then I realized how fast the uniformed like to THIS IS AN OUTRAGE about everything.

/Interesting link
//"Fish billet" is one of the best terms I've read today

I picked the right time to avoid red meat. It's unfortunate just how big of a role science plays in food now.

Theaetetus: Officially, it's known as transglutaminase, an enzyme in powder form that brings protein closer together - permanently.

Occasionally, the so-called reformed meat is served up by food suppliers, restaurants and others who use it to patch various pieces of meat into a single steak or some other amalgamated chunk. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration deems it to be safe - "generally."

Nice use of scare quotes there. The actual term is "Generally Recognized as Safe", meaning that it's either been widely used since before 1958, or has been scientifically tested with "the same quantity and quality of scientific evidence as is required to obtain approval of the substance as a food additive and ordinarily is based upon published studies, which may be corroborated by unpublished studies and other data and information."

The point is that it's generally recognized as being safe, not that it's generally safe, Mr. asshole journalist.

That said...
He said that better labeling is necessary for meats that have been bound together with the product because outer meat portions that are more easily contaminated may end up in the middle of a larger piece.

The glue, he said, may cause allergic reactions and could also make tracing potential food-borne illnesses more difficult when different parts of different animals are combined.

I'm okay with this. If you're going to add it to food, list it as an ingredient. Let people make their own decisions as to whether they want it.

And I'll keep using it to make stuff like this:
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Gotta get those calories to the people somehow!

It's impossible to feed hundreds of millions of people without the process being "gross". Suck it up and eat your meat. Don't like it? Try growing your own food and see how far you get with it.

Diogenes: The people who are most likely going to have problems with transglutaminase are the same as those with sensitivities to MSG.

So I say, label its use and let people decide.

I support full disclosure and labeling. For example, every grain product should be labeled with the weight percent of insect parts and rodent feces that it's allowed to contain under FDA rules.

BunkyBrewman

Months? That's nothing. Here we thought women's reproductive rights were settled four decades ago.

1/10 troll

Nobody has stopped you from being a slut.
Nobody's stopped you from doing anything
Why the FARK hasn't somebody stopped you from biatching and moaning? Oh.. because the toll-erators only delete political posts they disagree with.

Jument: It's impossible to feed hundreds of millions of people without the process being "gross". Suck it up and eat your meat. Don't like it? Try growing your own food and see how far you get with it.

And gluing meat together and labelling it as "steak" (instead of "stewing beef") increases food production, how?

So, that's how they hold the gym mats together.

I figure he just heard about the Kingdom of Loathing's Meatsmith.

I know what transglutaminases are, and I'm not concerned in the least about their health effects, but what all products are they doing this to? I tend to eat my steaks on the raw side (Pittsburgh rare, anyone?), and if they're gluing pieces of meat together to make those steaks, it would ostensibly increase the risk of contamination by quite a bit.

Carn: Animal livers have vitamin C.

Have fun with your gout and rickets next winter.

Months? Years.

WhippingBoy: Jument: It's impossible to feed hundreds of millions of people without the process being "gross". Suck it up and eat your meat. Don't like it? Try growing your own food and see how far you get with it.

And gluing meat together and labelling it as "steak" (instead of "stewing beef") increases food production, how?

You end up with more "steak" at the end, duh.

Jument: WhippingBoy: Jument: It's impossible to feed hundreds of millions of people without the process being "gross". Suck it up and eat your meat. Don't like it? Try growing your own food and see how far you get with it.

And gluing meat together and labelling it as "steak" (instead of "stewing beef") increases food production, how?

You end up with more "steak" at the end, duh.

But less stewing beef.

Just farking label it with *exactly* what is in the food. None of this "natural flavorings" bullshiat or what have you. Sure, my food may have "thickeners" on the label, but I at least want to know whether or not it's carrageenan. Christ, is this so hard to comprehend?

Quickmatch: Carn: Animal livers have vitamin C.

Have fun with your gout and rickets next winter.

It was just an example, there are others. Humanity invented this funny process called "canning" whereby certain items, often fruits and vegetables can be processed and stored for long periods of time and then eaten later! It's pretty groovy, you should check it out.

Jument: It's impossible to feed hundreds of millions of people without the process being "gross". Suck it up and eat your meat. Don't like it? Try growing your own food and see how far you get with it.

Why? If people want to save money and eat an inferior product let them eat it and pay less for it. This is about retailers disguising low quality products to sell them for more than they are worth. There is no reason in the world that retailers should be able to conceal the details of their products from consumers.

It's kind of funny though to see how easy it is to manipulate ignorant people by framing an issue in an emotional way. Just tell them that people who eat arugula and granola don't like crushed glass in their food and they would start screaming about how evil liberals were attaching the constitution by violating their right to eat what they want.

WhippingBoy: Jument: WhippingBoy: Jument: It's impossible to feed hundreds of millions of people without the process being "gross". Suck it up and eat your meat. Don't like it? Try growing your own food and see how far you get with it.

And gluing meat together and labelling it as "steak" (instead of "stewing beef") increases food production, how?

You end up with more "steak" at the end, duh.

But less stewing beef.

That's where Soylent Green comes in. ;)

Sticky Hands: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We're so science illiterate in this country. Ugh, god damn it's depressing.

science is for commies socialists.

Get with the times...

WhippingBoy: Jument: WhippingBoy: Jument: It's impossible to feed hundreds of millions of people without the process being "gross". Suck it up and eat your meat. Don't like it? Try growing your own food and see how far you get with it.

And gluing meat together and labelling it as "steak" (instead of "stewing beef") increases food production, how?

You end up with more "steak" at the end, duh.

But less stewing beef.

Yes, and if you can trick people into thinking that stew meat is steak you can cheat them into paying more.

But hey, only silly hippies don't like being ripped off.

Theaetetus: FDA List of food ingredients Generally Recognized as Safe, or, as the journalist would put it, safe... "Generally".

Includes corn syrup, caramel, nutmeg, soy sauce, table salt, etc.

Caramel? That's #2 on your list of stuff that approved but should watch out for.

You worried about advanced glycation endproducts (AGEs) formed during the Mallard reaction or something?

jjorsett: timujin: unlikely: let's see... a health food thing... a senator from California... the article doesn't say but I'd bet he's a Democrat and I bet he is either first-wave Baby Boom or the child of a Haight-Ashbury liaison.

[snip]

oh, but he IS a Democrat, so I guess you're right after all.

Given that he's a California state senator and the Republicans holding office in the state could meet in a phone booth, that was a pretty safe assumption.

I can never tell if someone is joking anymore... The California State Senate is almost 40% Republican. We have some of the largest "red" counties in the country. Here's a breakdown:


In the 2008 Presidential election more people voted Republican in San Bernardino County than in the entire state of Alaska.

ProfessorOhki: Alright, bear with me here, but why don't we just eat the smaller pieces of meat?

You generally don't use meat glue for the scare tactic aussie video reasons. You use it for doing things like taking the tough tendon out of a flat iron steak, or for making bacon-wrapped meat that stays wrapped, or for creating turducken (like I did this last thanskgiving) that has a "perfect stack".

When you are joining smaller pieces, it's generally because they will cook and be eaten better as a bigger piece. E.g. scallops or chicken - I might meat glue the tenderloin to the breast of a chicken so that it doesn't fall apart. Hell, I might even bind the skin tighter to the meat so when you make slices, they stay on.

Lots of cool stuff to do with it.

timujin: We have some of the largest "red" counties in the country. Here's a breakdown:
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Um, largest in terms of area, which counts for nothing.

Legend:

Blue: people & mexicans

Red: desert

ProfessorOhki: I'd say once you're at the level of food snobbery where people start using re-purposed lab equipment, all bets are off :)

It's not snobbery unless you look down on people who use other equipment. You should really come up here and try my sous vide steak sometime.

Carn: Carn: Humanity invented this funny process called "canning" whereby certain items, often fruits and vegetables can be processed and stored for long periods of time and then eaten later! It's pretty groovy, you should check it out

Awww...I'm just messing with you. My point being that, in today's world, most people don't have year round access (due to geography, cost, time, etc.) to food sourced from ideologically-correct distribution streams.

As for that "canning" jazz...I'm putting up a couple of pounds of pickled garlic tonight. The raw garlic's not local though, it's imported from Costco.

Vlad_the_Inaner: Theaetetus: FDA List of food ingredients Generally Recognized as Safe, or, as the journalist would put it, safe... "Generally".

Includes corn syrup, caramel, nutmeg, soy sauce, table salt, etc.

Caramel? That's #2 on your list of stuff that approved but should watch out for.

You worried about advanced glycation endproducts (AGEs) formed during the Mallard reaction or something?

Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. I was totally saying that that list represented things that you should watch out for. You can tell because that interpretation is consistent with all of my other posts.

timujin:
I can never tell if someone is joking anymore... The California State Senate is almost 40% Republican. We have some of the largest "red" counties in the country. Here's a breakdown:


In the 2008 Presidential election more people voted Republican in San Bernardino County than in the entire state of Alaska.

*mapfail*

Oh sweetie, I really don't have time to school you on population density vs land mass.

Quickmatch: Carn: Carn: Humanity invented this funny process called "canning" whereby certain items, often fruits and vegetables can be processed and stored for long periods of time and then eaten later! It's pretty groovy, you should check it out

Awww...I'm just messing with you. My point being that, in today's world, most people don't have year round access (due to geography, cost, time, etc.) to food sourced from ideologically-correct distribution streams.

As for that "canning" jazz...I'm putting up a couple of pounds of pickled garlic tonight. The raw garlic's not local though, it's imported from Costco.

My sarcasm meater is broken, sorry. Absolutely agree.

I'm attempting to grow my own small garden this year. Certainly not enough to sustain me but a start. I'm hoping I get enough jalapenos to try to can some but any would be awesome.

Theaetetus: Includes corn syrup, caramel, nutmeg, soy sauce, table salt, etc.

Caramel? That's #2 on your list of stuff that approved but should watch out for.

You worried about advanced glycation endproducts (AGEs) formed during the Mallard reaction or something?

Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. I was totally saying that that list represented things that you should watch out for. You can tell because that interpretation is consistent with all of my other posts.

Silly me, I should have jumped right to mindreading instead of wasting time asking questions. I pity the poor fools trying to guess that it was a list of controversial things based on

corn syrup: HFCS controvery
caramel: you know...
nutmeg,: myristicin intoxication
soy sauce: reactions to MSG
table salt: High sodium dietary risks

The caramel one should have been completely obvious to them!

MBooda: timujin: We have some of the largest "red" counties in the country. Here's a breakdown:
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Um, largest in terms of area, which counts for nothing.

Legend:

Blue: people & mexicans

Red: desert

Nope, largest in terms of population. There are more Republicans in San Bernardino County than in the entire state of Alaska... or Wyoming, Montana or either of the Dakotas.

Carn:
It's pretty groovy, you should check it out.

I... canning you say good sir? I have no heard of such process, pray tell in your mystical future time do they have.... sliced bread?

James!: Settled how?

It's gross.

Tawnos: ProfessorOhki: I'd say once you're at the level of food snobbery where people start using re-purposed lab equipment, all bets are off :)

It's not snobbery unless you look down on people who use other equipment. You should really come up here and try my sous vide steak sometime.

After reading the post about bacon-wrapped meats, my first thought was "hmmm, I do have some vacation saved up..."

Snobbery wasn't the right word (but it was better than elitism). I guess "enthusiasm" is closer. The sort of person who goes, "man, this duck is good, but imagine how good it would be if we had a rotary evaporator, centrifuge, and a cryogenic flash freezer..."

ProfessorOhki: Tawnos: ProfessorOhki: I'd say once you're at the level of food snobbery where people start using re-purposed lab equipment, all bets are off :)

It's not snobbery unless you look down on people who use other equipment. You should really come up here and try my sous vide steak sometime.

After reading the post about bacon-wrapped meats, my first thought was "hmmm, I do have some vacation saved up..."

Snobbery wasn't the right word (but it was better than elitism). I guess "enthusiasm" is closer. The sort of person who goes, "man, this duck is good, but imagine how good it would be if we had a rotary evaporator, centrifuge, and a cryogenic flash freezer..."

Oh man, I wish I had those and space for those.

timujin: MBooda: timujin: We have some of the largest "red" counties in the country. Here's a breakdown:
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Um, largest in terms of area, which counts for nothing.

Legend:

Blue: people & mexicans

Red: desert

Nope, largest in terms of population. There are more Republicans in San Bernardino County than in the entire state of Alaska... or Wyoming, Montana or either of the Dakotas.

You posted a map of California. Alaska, Wyoming, Montana and the Dakotas are not in California. San Bernardino County is in California. So are Los Angeles County, Marin County, Orange County, etc.

Stop throwing oranges in the apple barrel.

MBooda: timujin: MBooda: timujin: We have some of the largest "red" counties in the country. Here's a breakdown:
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Um, largest in terms of area, which counts for nothing.

Legend:

Blue: people & mexicans

Red: desert

Nope, largest in terms of population. There are more Republicans in San Bernardino County than in the entire state of Alaska... or Wyoming, Montana or either of the Dakotas.

You posted a map of California. Alaska, Wyoming, Montana and the Dakotas are not in California. San Bernardino County is in California. So are Los Angeles County, Marin County, Orange County, etc.

Stop throwing oranges in the apple barrel.

I wrote country, not state, but you are correct, both Orange and Los Angeles counties have more Republicans than San Bernardino and would have been better examples, especially Orange, as it's the one with more Republicans than Democrats.

It still stands, though, that jjorsett's assertion that simply because the Senator is from California, it should be assumed he's Republican is based on bias and not facts. Or yours that "blue = people"