FTA They are "throwing the flag" for excessive celebration.

because keeping OBL's killing in the news is a winning GOP strategy

They should also remind voters that Obama was a socialist when he saved GM

The sad thing is that this will work.

unlikely: The sad thing is that this will work.

It certainly will, because the Democrats simply don't learn that you have to get out in front of these stupid things before they have a chance to gain steam.

unlikely: The sad thing is that this will work.

Two years from now, if you poll Fox News viewers, I wonder how many will know that Barack Obama ordered the raid on Bin Laden's compound. Politics is weird. And creepy.

Asking Arends whether he felt the video is a fair portrayal of the president, Megyn Kelly showed an alternative interpretation of Obama's May 2011 speech using excerpts that paint a different narrative: "A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. Tonight we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who've worked tirelessly to achieve the outcome. We give thanks for the men who carried out this operation for they exemplify the professionalism, patriotism, and unparalleled courage of those who serve our country."

I'm honestly surprised Megyn Kelly would show that.

"Why didn't President Obama make a campaign ad that highlighted those remarks?" Arends countered. He pointed to the Obama for America web video entitled "One Chance," which features an interview with Bill Clinton commending President Obama for giving the green light when some of his advisers disagreed with him. "Why did [President Obama] need to have a campaign ad that features former President Clinton making the remarks he did?""Suppose the Navy Seals had gone in there and it hadn't been bin Laden," Clinton says in the Obama campaign video. "Suppose they'd been captured or killed. The downside would have been horrible for him."

Because it was an incredibly risky, ballsy, borderline stupid decision. If it failed, Operation Eagle Claw-style, it would have doomed his second term. Might even have led to an impeachment inquiry.

If this action had been taken and ad been made by a white, Republican president, they would be too busy jacking off to complain.

unlikely: The sad thing is that this will work.

It might have worked except for one thing. They got Romney on record as saying he wouldn't have gone into Pakistan to get OBL.

Nothing is more unpatriotic than unwarranted attacks on a president for doing the right thing. These people are slime, they're scum, and they don't deserve to be called American citizens.

mrshowrules: unlikely: The sad thing is that this will work.

It might have worked except for one thing. They got Romney on record as saying he wouldn't have gone into Pakistan to get OBL.

Also this:

This is not some obscure web-only political ad. This is the Republican convention:

unlikely: The sad thing is that this will work.

No it won't.

"What we're doing is we are throwing the penalty flag on President Obama for excessive celebration," the chairman of conservative political action group, Joel Arends, told Fox News host Megyn Kelley in a live interview from South Dakota. "What you've seen from President Obama is he's not only spiked the football, he's signed it, he threw it up in the stands with the fans."

AHEM.

SphericalTime: unlikely: The sad thing is that this will work.

Two years from now, if you poll Fox News viewers, I wonder how many will know that Barack Obama ordered the raid on Bin Laden's compound. Politics is weird. And creepy.

They'll either believe the plan was started under Bush's watch or some commander went against President Obama and Obama is just taking credit for something he originally was against

unlikely: The sad thing is that this will work.

It'll work for people who are already convinced they're right.

President Obama is not Senator Kerry. The former is has the GOP quaking in its boots if you listen to them in private. The latter was just Mitt Romney's prequel.

CitizenTed: AHEM.

Is this the same group of outraged veterans that were so royally pissed off about the banner?
Or is this the group of veteran's that was annoyed about Bush flying aboard a carrier in a Navy jet?
Or is these the veterans who were pissed Obama left Iraq prematurely only eight years after Bush declared Victory having won the people's freedom?
Or maybe it's the veteran's who criticized Obama for getting into Libya to help the people gain their freedom.

So many offended veterans it's hard to keep track.

CitizenTed: "What we're doing is we are throwing the penalty flag on President Obama for excessive celebration," the chairman of conservative political action group, Joel Arends, told Fox News host Megyn Kelley in a live interview from South Dakota. "What you've seen from President Obama is he's not only spiked the football, he's signed it, he threw it up in the stands with the fans."

My question is, if this were true, why would this be a bad thing? Weren't Americans literally dancing in the streets when they found out he was killed? Is celebrating the death of the man something the American people are going to disapprove of?

cameroncrazy1984: Weren't Americans literally dancing in the streets when they found out he was killed?

Those people were bussed in.

impaler: cameroncrazy1984: Weren't Americans literally dancing in the streets when they found out he was killed?

Those people were bussed in.

...to see a Decemberists concert

mrshowrules: unlikely: The sad thing is that this will work.

It might have worked except for one thing. They got Romney on record as saying he wouldn't have gone into Pakistan to get OBL.

The problem is that these are VETERANS. The most sacred abstract in the country. You don't dare gainsay what THIS group says. They're VETERANS.

Never mind how we treat individual veterans, the actual people... we must venerate the VETERANS.

So yeah, I really do think they're going to get away with this, that it's going to work.

BunkoSquad: impaler: cameroncrazy1984: Weren't Americans literally dancing in the streets when they found out he was killed?

Those people were bussed in.

...to see a Decemberists concert

Oh thank you I was just wondering what to queue up next in spotify

The video, entitled, "Why Does President Obama Take So Much Credit for Killing bin Laden," strings together clips of the president's May 2011 speech announcing the mission's success: "I can report, I directed, I was briefed, I met repeatedly, I determined, at my direction."

He uses personal pronouns! GET HIM!

"Heroes don't seek credit," the video states.

Obama should never talk about his accomplishments.

"Heroes don't spike the football.

I still don't know exactly what they mean here. What EXACTLY did he do that is excessive?

Heroes put their life on the line."

Obama didn't personally go into Pakistan to kill Osama, so he's stupid.

Also, when did Obama ever call himself a hero?

By all means, keep reminding people who got bin Laden. Knock yourselves out.

unlikely: The sad thing is that this will work.

unlikely.

The GOP has been trying to turn this on Obama for a few weeks now and it just keeps getting better for him. Keep reminding the people that it was a Democrat that handed down the order to kill bin Laden, folks, see how that works out for you.

Motivational poster at GOP Headquarters:

If there are two things Americans hate, it's football and killing terrorists responsible for 9/11.

This is a brilliant twofer on the Republicans' part.

Excessive celebration is only a penalty in football. The other team doesn't automatically become president.

// oh noes, a president touting his foreign policy ACCOMPLISHMENTS
// not that the R's would know anything about those

Yeah, like we give a shiat what a bunch of war criminals who imprisoned, tortured, and murdered civilians think. Stupid veterans are just lucky we are not trying and executing each and every one, yes even the ones who did not participate in Desert Cluster fark II and operation Better then the Russians.

Veteran worship is too extreme in this country. Just because they are veterans does not mean that their word should have more weight than anyone else. I actually think that we are focusing to much on this group of people. Just because someone spent four years in the Army and did two tours in Iraq does not mean that they should live off the dime of the American tax payer for the rest of their life.

/Disabled Vet
//The system hurts me more than it helps

Car_Ramrod: Also, when did Obama ever call himself a hero?

"Fox News - Because Reality is Overrated"

LOLZ

I'll keep putting more stock in the people that work at the Pentagon take on it. This noise is on the same level of LIBKICKER78 declaring there was nothing gutsy about the decision.

So is Veterans for a Strong America the reincarnation of Swiftboat Veterans for Truth? They ended up being completely credible....

Nice swiftboat.

RsquaredW: Excessive celebration is only a penalty in football. The other team doesn't automatically become president.

// oh noes, a president touting his foreign policy ACCOMPLISHMENTS
// not that the R's would know anything about those

Plus, despite a penalty for excessive celebration, the points still go up on the scoreboard to be directly compared to the other side's.

cman: eteran worship is too extreme in this country. Just because they are veterans does not mean that their word should have more weight than anyone else. I actually think that we are focusing to much on this group of people. Just because someone spent four years in the Army and did two tours in Iraq does not mean that they should live off the dime of the American tax payer for the rest of their life.

/Disabled Vet
//The system hurts me more than it helps

Throw me down for a me too, well except disabled ... FINE! Other than mentally :)

we get it, they're white.

So your saying the president had no part in the raid, or it's authorizations, and didn't make a huge gamble in authorizing it?

Yeah, that sounds like a winning strategy there.

BunkoSquad: impaler: cameroncrazy1984: Weren't Americans literally dancing in the streets when they found out he was killed?

Those people were bussed in.

...to see a Decemberists concert

They were hoping for a Frigidaire to come passing...byy.

timujin: unlikely: The sad thing is that this will work.

unlikely.

The GOP has been trying to turn this on Obama for a few weeks now and it just keeps getting better for him. Keep reminding the people that it was a Democrat that handed down the order to kill bin Laden, folks, see how that works out for you.

Yeah, outside of the echo chamber. I don't think anyone is taking any of this seriously.

I mean we heard the GOP talk about 9/11 for nearly 10 goddamn years to legitimize every stupid and boneheaded policy they came up with and now they're saying it's excessive to talk about killing Bin Laden?

Fark them! Fark them with a tent pole.

/rant off

cman: Veteran worship is too extreme in this country.

I was just in the ATL airport atrium and the USO guys paraded two groups of returning vets through. They got a cheer and a round of applause, and honestly none of the soldiers looked particularly happy about it. I wouldn't want to be a parade float when I got back from the sandbox either.

// the volunteer military is, in some ways, the most dangerous thing America has implemented

So Bush was awesome because the US had the biggest attack on his watch and Obama is horrible because he got Osama Bin Laden.

I really don't understand how people can be so stupid.

CitizenTed: "What we're doing is we are throwing the penalty flag on President Obama for excessive celebration," the chairman of conservative political action group, Joel Arends, told Fox News host Megyn Kelley in a live interview from South Dakota. "What you've seen from President Obama is he's not only spiked the football, he's signed it, he threw it up in the stands with the fans."

AHEM.

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and funny when I google him I get:


Joel A. Arends, a "13-year National Guard veteran",[1] served in Baghdad, Iraq, "from 2003 - 2005 ... with the 1st Cav Division as an Infantry Platoon Leader and eventually as Company Commander."[2][3][4]

Arends is listed in May 2007 as a paid staffer for Republican 2008 presidential hopeful John McCain.[5] At an August 8, 2007, O'Brien County Republican Summer Gala in Paullina, Iowa, Arends was described as "now a surrogate for Senator McCain's campaign".[6]

Arends, "who unsuccessfully ran for the Iowa [Statehouse] while living in Sioux City in 2000", {how da fark do you lose running as a Repblican in Iowa?}[4] is cited in an August 14, 2007, e-letter as National Field Director of the pro-war in Iraq Republican front group Vets for Freedom.[7]

Also in August 2007, Arends was identified as the replacement for Craig Dewey as Americans for Prosperity's South Dakota Assistant State Director. {Koch front} [8]

gee I wonder what his REAL problem with Obama is, and is it really too much too ask the reporters do this basic knd of vetting for their articles?

Preaching to the choir only works on the choir.
Independents have seen the GOP artificial reality machine before, on Iraq and climate change, and we ain't buying it.

unlikely: mrshowrules: unlikely: The sad thing is that this will work.

It might have worked except for one thing. They got Romney on record as saying he wouldn't have gone into Pakistan to get OBL.

The problem is that these are VETERANS. The most sacred abstract in the country. You don't dare gainsay what THIS group says. They're VETERANS.

Never mind how we treat individual veterans, the actual people... we must venerate the VETERANS.

So yeah, I really do think they're going to get away with this, that it's going to work.

One thing.
These are GOP supporting veterans.
That is very important. Because to the right the only veterans that are real veterans and deserve a voice are the ones that support the GOP. Otherwise they were just horrible soldiers and were in it for the free college money.

It's wrong to be too happy about killing terrorists. Or something. I really can't make sense of this one.

It's just a fundamental flaw of conservative character that they can't admit that liberals can do good things. At least they aren't hypocritically trashing someone for their military record again.

He pointed to the Obama for America web video entitled "One Chance," which features an interview with Bill Clinton commending President Obama for giving the green light when some of his advisers disagreed with him. "Why did [President Obama] need to have a campaign ad that features former President Clinton making the remarks he did?""Suppose the Navy Seals had gone in there and it hadn't been bin Laden," Clinton says in the Obama campaign video. "Suppose they'd been captured or killed. The downside would have been horrible for him."

Yes, that is very confusing. Why would a Democratic president want to highlight his ability to make the right decision even it is difficult or risky? That might hurt the Republicans chances of winning the next election. Why would anyone want that?

"Ugh Obama is a failed president with no real accomplishments"

"Ugh Obama is talking about his accomplishments, how arrogant"

cman: Veteran worship is too extreme in this country. Just because they are veterans does not mean that their word should have more weight than anyone else. I actually think that we are focusing to much on this group of people. Just because someone spent four years in the Army and did two tours in Iraq does not mean that they should live off the dime of the American tax payer for the rest of their life.

/Disabled Vet
//The system hurts me more than it helps

I have to agree. Although I suppress the urge to do so, I want to ask any vet I encounter "So, how many rapes of female soldiers did you participate in or help cover up while over there?" Especially if they're an officer. I'd be vilified to the nth degree if I tried it, despite the fact that it's happening.

While I realize that folks putting their lives on the line for their country is a quality to be respected, I'm tired of the schtick that they are above reproach and must be virtually worshiped, especially when most of our servicemen don't protect us, so much as go to random countries and kill brown people.

0babo is a a job killer. He killed the job of going after OBL

Post-9/11 America is such a wonderful place, isn't it?

The terrorists seem to have achieved their goal.

Guidette Frankentits: 0babo is a a job killer. He killed the job of going after OBL

0bab0 in the 0ba0b0b tree!

RsquaredW: cman: Veteran worship is too extreme in this country.

I was just in the ATL airport atrium and the USO guys paraded two groups of returning vets through. They got a cheer and a round of applause, and honestly none of the soldiers looked particularly happy about it. I wouldn't want to be a parade float when I got back from the sandbox either.

// the volunteer military is, in some ways, the most dangerous thing America has implemented

Any time someone thanks my sister of her service they get a bitter snarl. For her it was just another shiatty job in her past and she's much prouder and happier about working in a sewage treatment facility. So if you see her, thank her for cleaning up your shiat, not for being in the Marines.

/sewage treatment is the basis of civilization