MayaAngelou?Really? The list is mostly horsesh*t and contains some great books.

GFY book censor.

Who the fark cares?

Was Fahrenheit 451 included in there for delicious amusement?

FTA "A study from Brigham Young university"

Stopped reading right there.

Skr: Was Fahrenheit 451 included in there for delicious amusement?

I feel the need to vote that "Funny," but only because Fark doesn't have an "IRONY!" button.

/Seriously, though, that book has been challenged...many times...it's like they don't even read what they are burning...

"From a social learning standpoint, this is really important because adolescents are more likely to imitate media characters portrayed in positive, desirable ways," she said in a press release.

Apparently I've missed some major change in developmental psychology in the last few years, since iirc in the late 90s this was considered to be basically the diametric opposite of the truth. Plus kinda the opposite of my experience, never wanted to be Frodo but I thought Saruman knew what was what.

sendtodave: Who the fark cares?

Who the fark cares what some tard at BYU's School of 'Family Life' thinks about literature? If left to
'family life thinkers' library and books store shelves would be empty save for religious bull. Get over it, your kids are going to see/hear profanity no matter how much you try to shelter them. At least if they read it, you'll know they can read.

"To Kill a Mockingbird"? Really? jfca.

One of the most violent, disturbing books ever printed is missing from the list: The farking BIBLE.

If teens are learning anything it's probably a positive step.

Jamieboy: sendtodave: Who the fark cares?

Who the fark cares what some tard at BYU's School of 'Family Life' thinks about literature? If left to
'family life thinkers' library and books store shelves would be empty save for religious bull. Get over it, your kids are going to see/hear profanity no matter how much you try to shelter them. At least if they read it, you'll know they can read.

"To Kill a Mockingbird"? Really? jfca.

One of the most violent, disturbing books ever printed is missing from the list: The farking BIBLE.

The most frightening things from my childhood.
Bible and hell fire minister.
Wizard of Oz.

If a kid is hearing profanity for the first time from a book rather than the schoolyard, they were either home-schooled or sent to school in an oversized hamster ball.

Skr: Was Fahrenheit 451 included in there for delicious amusement?

"The woman on the porch reached out with contempt to them all and struck the kitchen match against the railing.

People ran out of their houses all down the street."

Fahrenheit 451 has made it onto several of these kinds of lists.

Jamieboy:
One of the most violent, disturbing books ever printed is missing from the list: The farking BIBLE.

To be fair, they seem to only be concerned with books that people actually read, and all indications seem to be that even the religious right types don't do that. Jesus not being a big fan of, for instance, censorship.

Someone bothered to ban "Blankets"? I read that shiat and it was the most tiresome navel-gazing Christian-emo crap ever. Oh I love a girl and it's so special! Irony: probably banned by Christians because it shows an unmarried couple sleeping together (but not consummating their oh so special magical love of all time, because God would disapprove, causing much emo angxst).

To Kill A Mockingbird and Maya Angelou banned for the obvious reason of course.

"Tell me about this miserable little diary of yours. The book is useless and yet you come all the way back to Berlin to get it. Why? What are you hiding? What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?"

"It tells me that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them!"

FriarReb98: "Tell me about this miserable little diary of yours. The book is useless and yet you come all the way back to Berlin to get it. Why? What are you hiding? What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?"

"It tells me that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them!"

I love you. Except it lacks thd Scottish brogue that gives the quote its charm and beauty...

/Read it in a Sean Connery voice

Skr: Was Fahrenheit 451 included in there for delicious amusement?

Or for self-referential titillation. It's also rather horrible, like a mirror.

"-los espejos y la cópula son abominables, porque multiplican el número de los hombres."

-Jorge Luis Borges, Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius

maram500: FriarReb98: "Tell me about this miserable little diary of yours. The book is useless and yet you come all the way back to Berlin to get it. Why? What are you hiding? What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?"

"It tells me that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them!"

I love you. Except it lacks thd Scottish brogue that gives the quote its charm and beauty...

/Read it in a Sean Connery voice

I also added in the German accent and the glove slaps.

/glove slap, baby glove slap

My kids, like most today, could teach me new swear words. I could have done the same with my folks back in the day. And yet, we continue as a species.

maram500: FriarReb98: "Tell me about this miserable little diary of yours. The book is useless and yet you come all the way back to Berlin to get it. Why? What are you hiding? What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?"

"It tells me that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them!"

I love you. Except it lacks thd Scottish brogue that gives the quote its charm and beauty...

/Read it in a Sean Connery voice

No word of a lie, I was going to try and write it phonetically, but it just didn't work. I knew it'd just be read in his accent anyways.

If any teens are reading James Joyce, I'd be thoroughly impressed. Even more so if they make sense of it.

Sounds like she could use a pair of SmugMom Profanity Canceling Headphones



Replaces soul-damning profanity with high quality dub overs of non-profane words like:

Heck
Darn
Gosh
Shoot
Crud
Freak
Arse
Monkey-fighting
Monday-Friday

... or silence if no suitable replacement exists.


Coming soon... SmugMom Profanity Canceling Reading Glasses.

thisispete: If any teens are reading James Joyce, I'd be thoroughly impressed. Even more so if they make sense of it.

Give them anything written by Ayn Rand. They'll go back to Saturday morning cartoons and video games.

Please I say more choice word's in one day around my kid than is all those books combined.

This is the least of our problems.

AbbeySomeone: Jamieboy: sendtodave: Who the fark cares?

Who the fark cares what some tard at BYU's School of 'Family Life' thinks about literature? If left to
'family life thinkers' library and books store shelves would be empty save for religious bull. Get over it, your kids are going to see/hear profanity no matter how much you try to shelter them. At least if they read it, you'll know they can read.

"To Kill a Mockingbird"? Really? jfca.

One of the most violent, disturbing books ever printed is missing from the list: The farking BIBLE.

The most frightening things from my childhood.
Bible and hell fire minister.
Wizard of Oz.

Yup. My earliest exposure to religion has being horrified by a Catholic friend of the family explaining Jesus to me. I doubt she thought what she was saying sounded this way, but my take away from it was that Jesus was a ghost/zombie, still bleeding from his death-wounds, that watched me constantly, judged everything I did, and could appear at any moment to carry me off to an eternity of physical torment if I did anything to piss it off (oh, and the rules it expected me to abide by weren't published anywhere so I could know them, but kept secret by these Priest guys, who'd only tell you if you gave them gifts and did what they told you). I started sleeping with a night-light at the age of five pretty much entirely because of that harrowing experience with baby-sitting.

illannoyin: FTA "A study from Brigham Young university"

Stopped reading right there.

illannoyin: FTA "A study from Brigham Young university"

Stopped reading right there.

Same here.

miss diminutive: If a kid is hearing profanity for the first time from a book rather than the schoolyard, they were either home-schooled or sent to school in an oversized hamster ball.

And this. I learned profanity, like most kids in Texas, from two sources; other kids and my parents' adult get-togethers. This is just a natural part of growing up, and the whole idea of "secret", "prohibited" vocabulary is pretty juvenile to begin with.

They're just words, nothing more. Teach your kids when it's appropriate to use them and when it's not. If you can teach your kids about strangers and sexual molestation how hard is it to tell them not to say fark in class?

Heron: AbbeySomeone: Jamieboy: sendtodave: Who the fark cares?

Who the fark cares what some tard at BYU's School of 'Family Life' thinks about literature? If left to
'family life thinkers' library and books store shelves would be empty save for religious bull. Get over it, your kids are going to see/hear profanity no matter how much you try to shelter them. At least if they read it, you'll know they can read.

"To Kill a Mockingbird"? Really? jfca.

One of the most violent, disturbing books ever printed is missing from the list: The farking BIBLE.

The most frightening things from my childhood.
Bible and hell fire minister.
Wizard of Oz.

Yup. My earliest exposure to religion haswas being horrified by a Catholic friend of the family explaining Jesus to me.

Oops.
FTFM

Heron: AbbeySomeone: Jamieboy: sendtodave: Who the fark cares?

Who the fark cares what some tard at BYU's School of 'Family Life' thinks about literature? If left to
'family life thinkers' library and books store shelves would be empty save for religious bull. Get over it, your kids are going to see/hear profanity no matter how much you try to shelter them. At least if they read it, you'll know they can read.

"To Kill a Mockingbird"? Really? jfca.

One of the most violent, disturbing books ever printed is missing from the list: The farking BIBLE.

The most frightening things from my childhood.
Bible and hell fire minister.
Wizard of Oz.

Yup. My earliest exposure to religion has being horrified by a Catholic friend of the family explaining Jesus to me. I doubt she thought what she was saying sounded this way, but my take away from it was that Jesus was a ghost/zombie, still bleeding from his death-wounds, that watched me constantly, judged everything I did, and could appear at any moment to carry me off to an eternity of physical torment if I did anything to piss it off (oh, and the rules it expected me to abide by weren't published anywhere so I could know them, but kept secret by these Priest guys, who'd only tell you if you gave them gifts and did what they told you). I started sleeping with a night-light at the age of five pretty much entirely because of that harrowing experience with baby-sitting.

The rule is " If you enjoy it. Its a sin and your going to hell."

My moms let me read pretty much anything i wanted when i was a kid, probably against her better judgment at times. We had a fun time looking up the word 'defenestration" after my studied reading of Fangoria 16 roundabout age 9.

People who equate morality/immorality with the use/non-use of certain words are idiots, plain and simple.

Shirley Ujest: Heron: AbbeySomeone: Jamieboy: sendtodave: Who the fark cares?

Who the fark cares what some tard at BYU's School of 'Family Life' thinks about literature? If left to
'family life thinkers' library and books store shelves would be empty save for religious bull. Get over it, your kids are going to see/hear profanity no matter how much you try to shelter them. At least if they read it, you'll know they can read.

"To Kill a Mockingbird"? Really? jfca.

One of the most violent, disturbing books ever printed is missing from the list: The farking BIBLE.

The most frightening things from my childhood.
Bible and hell fire minister.
Wizard of Oz.

Yup. My earliest exposure to religion has being horrified by a Catholic friend of the family explaining Jesus to me. I doubt she thought what she was saying sounded this way, but my take away from it was that Jesus was a ghost/zombie, still bleeding from his death-wounds, that watched me constantly, judged everything I did, and could appear at any moment to carry me off to an eternity of physical torment if I did anything to piss it off (oh, and the rules it expected me to abide by weren't published anywhere so I could know them, but kept secret by these Priest guys, who'd only tell you if you gave them gifts and did what they told you). I started sleeping with a night-light at the age of five pretty much entirely because of that harrowing experience with baby-sitting.

The rule is " If you enjoy it. Its a sin and your going to hell."

"Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy."

- H. L. Mencken

This could all be solved so easily by just passing the books through FARK's posting filter first.

markfara: People who equate morality/immorality with the use/non-use of certain words are idiots, plain and simple.

Rather than yell at me for swearing, my mother opted for, "You have a better vocabulary than that. You don't want people thinking less of you for the way you speak (paraphrased)"

Bartleby the Scrivener: My moms let me read pretty much anything i wanted when i was a kid, probably against her better judgment at times. We had a fun time looking up the word 'defenestration" after my studied reading of Fangoria 16 roundabout age 9.

Same here. Read Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six--yes, the game was based on a book--at the tender age of 13.

Nothing like reading about cawk torture during puberty...

pxlboy: markfara: People who equate morality/immorality with the use/non-use of certain words are idiots, plain and simple.

Rather than yell at me for swearing, my mother opted for, "You have a better vocabulary than that. You don't want people thinking less of you for the way you speak (paraphrased)"

I had a journalism teacher in high school who liked the lame "People use profanity because they have small vocabularies." argument. I got her to agree that Dick Cavett (who had his own show at the time; this was the early 70s) was obviously a highly literate human being, then I loaned her my copy of his then-current book-length interview (a best seller at the time). F-bombs aplenty. Case closed.

maram500: Bartleby the Scrivener: My moms let me read pretty much anything i wanted when i was a kid, probably against her better judgment at times. We had a fun time looking up the word 'defenestration" after my studied reading of Fangoria 16 roundabout age 9.

Same here. Read Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six--yes, the game was based on a book--at the tender age of 13.

Nothing like reading about cawk torture during puberty...

I once got sent home in the 6th grade for bringing The Twelfth of August (a biography of Buford Pusser by W.R. Morris) when my teacher read (over my shoulder, I might add) the account of Sheriff Pusser shooting Louise Hathcock.

My teacher's original plan was to throw the book in the trash; my Mom told her to hold it until she got there. Mom took it from the teacher and gave it back to me, saying that I could finish it at home. When the teacher objected that I even was allowed to read it (Language!), Mom used a few words that could be found in the book and told her I probably heard worse on the school bus.

I love my Mom.

When I was a toddler, I couldn't pronounce "truck" very well.
My Navy father thought this was hilarious and encouraged me to yell "fu*k" every time a truck drove by.
Needless to say I still have a potty mouth. I did not pick this language up reading Huxley or other great classics. From these books I gained so much more than poor self editing.

"Fools Crow" by James Welch Challenged because of descriptions of rape, mutilation and murder

There are many more, as people well know. But I always liked these examples.

FriarReb98: "Tell me about this miserable little diary of yours. The book is useless and yet you come all the way back to Berlin to get it. Why? What are you hiding? What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?"

Brigham Young University

Hey, I have a great idea. Let's vote a Mormon in as President.

FriarReb98: "Tell me about this miserable little diary of yours. The book is useless and yet you come all the way back to Berlin to get it. Why? What are you hiding? What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?"

"It tells me that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them!"

The really amazing thing was that she was able to write it while being deaf, dumb and blind.

MBooda: FriarReb98: "Tell me about this miserable little diary of yours. The book is useless and yet you come all the way back to Berlin to get it. Why? What are you hiding? What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?"

"It tells me that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them!"

The really amazing thing was that she was able to write it while being deaf, dumb and blind.

She lived in a quiet vibration land.

How is "1984" pro-communist? I know that Orwell was a socialist himself, but he knew perfectly how his ideals could be perverted, and that's what his books were about.

ReapTheChaos: They're just words, nothing more. Teach your kids when it's appropriate to use them and when it's not. If you can teach your kids about strangers and sexual molestation how hard is it to tell them not to say fark in class?

Bingo! My kids had grown up hearing me swear a blue streak at the non-drivers while I was taking them to school. I told them that there's a time and place for swearing, it's not to be part of normal day conversation, and when they get older and life starts to get more complicated they've earned the right to let loose with a few choice words when appropriate (like when stubbing your toe: to me curse words have power and help release the pain). When they started high school was when it was - to me - all right for them express themselves with a curse word if need be.

I never had a problem with my kids stupidly swearing.

Curse words in media are nowhere as bad as gratuitous violence.

"To Kill A Mockingbird" promoting racism? What the hell? It makes you wonder if the people banning these books actually read them. It reminds me when I heard of someone saying that "The Giver" promoted euthanasia.

There's "Banned by an elementary school principal" and then there's "Banned by federal law or court ruling".

I want a list of that second one. I remember that Heart of Darkness, James Joyce's Ulysses and a few others were verboten at one point. There used to be money smuggling european printings of them into the states.

Right now the book market is highly permissive. I doubt there is anything worth reading that's currently banned.

/Book dealer
//with about a thousand to process for the warehouse