mephisto6: SharkTrager: falcon176: Molavian: We need to restrict semi-trucks to the right lane while we're at it.

everybody in Houston does 5-10 under the speed limit and it's farking obnoxious the "no trucks in left lane" rule does nothing except encourage soccer moms and old people into the lane

In Texas the left lane is becoming the "Talk/text on your phone lane" because the morons somehow think it's safer to be over there when they do it.

I was talking to this older gentleman at work and he was complaining about traffic. At some point, he brought up driving in the left lane. He feels "safer" over there on freeways.
I pointed out that he had less options and should probably move down one, maintain speed, and just let people drive. Even if they're going faster than he chooses to.
He said, "Well, I move over when someone is behind me."
No you don't. You do not.

He doesn't shoot the shiat with me anymore.

At least he's not one of the self appointed speed monitors we see all the time.

Is Delaware Greg's brohter? Maybe uncle? Don't recall a character named Delaware House being in any episodes.

So basically, they're mandating that you have to speed to use the left lane. fark that, I'm sticking with following laws and commons sense and driving the speed limit in the left lane. if you want to speed, that's your damn problem and enjoy your ticket.

JosephFinn: So basically, they're mandating that you have to speed to use the left lane. fark that, I'm sticking with following laws and commons sense and driving the speed limit in the left lane. if you want to speed, that's your damn problem and enjoy your ticket.

So you feel you should have the right to choose which laws you break?

JosephFinn: So basically, they're mandating that you have to speed to use the left lane. fark that, I'm sticking with following laws and commons sense and driving the speed limit in the left lane. if you want to speed, that's your damn problem and enjoy your ticket.

Because your wheels come to a full stop EVERY time and you use your turn signals EVERY time.

Then there are the rest of us who understand why the rules are there and have the ability to use our own judgement for the given conditions.

SharkTrager: At least he's not one of the self appointed speed monitors we see all the time.d surely, that' case here.ot thes n

Like this ^ guy? No, the old dude just seemed oblivious. Which is another reason to mandate it.
There is no reason to impede traffic when you can drive the same speed in an alternate lane. Unless you're just an asshole by nature. But I'm sure that's not the case here.

I just love all the people who get all up-in-arms about drivers breaking the 'stay right except to pass' law, and want them to obey the damn law and move right... so they themselves can recklessly break the law and speed by.

"Damn it- obey the law, so I get a chance to break it!"

JosephFinn: So basically, they're mandating that you have to speed to use the left lane. fark that, I'm sticking with following laws and commons sense and driving the speed limit in the left lane. if you want to speed, that's your damn problem and enjoy your ticket.

fredklein: I just love all the people who get all up-in-arms about drivers breaking the 'stay right except to pass' law, and want them to obey the damn law and move right... so they themselves can recklessly break the law and speed by.

"Damn it- obey the law, so I get a chance to break it!"

Damn, I called it. I grant that it was an easy call, but there it is.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: JosephFinn: So basically, they're mandating that you have to speed to use the left lane. fark that, I'm sticking with following laws and commons sense and driving the speed limit in the left lane. if you want to speed, that's your damn problem and enjoy your ticket.

fredklein: I just love all the people who get all up-in-arms about drivers breaking the 'stay right except to pass' law, and want them to obey the damn law and move right... so they themselves can recklessly break the law and speed by.

"Damn it- obey the law, so I get a chance to break it!"

Damn, I called it. I grant that it was an easy call, but there it is.

Yeah, thing is, it only takes one of them out of a thousand to totally hose traffic because mass congregates at its slowest point. And here's two out of about 30.

there's just no reason for it.

fredklein: I just love all the people who get all up-in-arms about drivers breaking the 'stay right except to pass' law, and want them to obey the damn law and move right... so they themselves can recklessly break the law and speed by.

"Damn it- obey the law, so I get a chance to break it!"

If you keep the left lane clear, except to pass slower traffic, and then cars move more freely. It is then up to the police to nab some fool driving above "reasonable and prudent speed" (which, in prima facie posted speed states, is actually the case). And they will be easily identifiable.
No, what you love is being a dick. For no reason at all.

The speed limit where I live is 70-75 on most roads yet people tend to drive 60. Yesterday, I was stuck behind someone going anywhere between 55-60, sometimes 55 sometimes 60, in a 70 zone.

Last Saturday, I drove ~1000 miles from Florida to Michigan over 17 hours, averaging about 10 over the posted speed limit. I'd get a couple people passing me each hour (to whom I was happy to concede the left lane), but I was definitely going faster than the average motorist.

It wasn't until Indiana and Michigan that people would actually concede the left lane when it was obvious I was going to pass them. It was quite the luxury. Loads of people in the south just cruising along in the left lane. Head-up-butt syndrome was a big reason why I left.

JosephFinn: So basically, they're mandating that you have to speed to use the left lane. fark that, I'm sticking with following laws and commons sense and driving the speed limit in the left lane. if you want to speed, that's your damn problem and enjoy your ticket.

Ha! I've learned to not care anymore about some idiot like you in the left lane trying to make a statement. There are other lanes for me to use and if I can safely do it, I will use those lanes to pass you, as do other drivers. It then that I've noticed the person who's camping out in the left lane going slower than traffic on his right, will move to the right lane because the person realizes he creating a bad situation or that his point is useless since people around him are going faster.

You're right, the speed limit is the speed limit, but then you're also causing an unsafe condition because the reality is people are always driving over the speed limit. Not everyone, but many are.

fredklein: I just love all the people who get all up-in-arms about drivers breaking the 'stay right except to pass' law, and want them to obey the damn law and move right... so they themselves can recklessly break the law and speed by.

"Damn it- obey the law, so I get a chance to break it!"

You probably stand on the curb awaiting a walk signal when there's no traffic in sight for blocks in any direction.

Left lane laws are a form of wishful fantasy. Everyone who is vocal about their support of these laws has this silly belief that as soon as they are passed THE ROAD WILL BE MINE!!!

fredklein: I just love all the people who get all up-in-arms about drivers breaking the 'stay right except to pass' law, and want them to obey the damn law and move right... so they themselves can recklessly break the law and speed by.

"Damn it- obey the law, so I get a chance to break it!"

If they're going the speed limit in the left lane, I don't complain. It's when they're doing 60 in a 70 in the left lane, or 40 in a 55 in the left lane that I start to want to do a pit maneuver in their car, get out, and go slam their head in their car door 70 or 80 times. And not only do they go super slow, they will just randomly hit their brakes for no reason. No car in front of them, already well under the speed limit, and their brake lights pop on. And they'll leave 3 carlengths between themselves and the car in front of them at stop lights, not realizing this is why our light is backed up the one behind us, and that one is backed up as well. And accelerate from 0 to their slow 40mph in 3 minutes. Leaving too much distance and accelerating like a drop of molasses are a huge factor in why traffic gets congested, and is the answer to the question of "how the fark did only 4 cars mae it through that greenlight?!?!"

stonicus: Leaving too much distance and accelerating like a drop of molasses are a huge factor in why traffic gets congested, and is the answer to the question of "how the fark did only 4 cars mae it through that greenlight?!?!"

Don't you just love it when the slow poke makes it through the yellow, leaving you at the red light?

Good times.

mephisto6: No, what you love is being a dick. For no reason at all.

Speed kills. The faster you go, the less time you have to react. Thus, a larger chance of getting into an accident. And the worse the damage is when you do hit something.

People who go the speed limit aren't dicks. People who speed, and thus needlessly endanger everyone else on the road, are the dicks.

BTW, I don't drive, so....

lohphat: You probably stand on the curb awaiting a walk signal when there's no traffic in sight for blocks in any direction.

No. But my crossing an empty street doesn't put anyone else at risk, like speeding does.

URAPNIS: stonicus: Leaving too much distance and accelerating like a drop of molasses are a huge factor in why traffic gets congested, and is the answer to the question of "how the fark did only 4 cars mae it through that greenlight?!?!"

Don't you just love it when the slow poke makes it through the yellow, leaving you at the red light?

Good times.

I love it when I am pulling up to a light and someone in the adjacent lane has left like 2 carlengths between them and the car in front of them, and I move over and slide into that spot. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

mephisto6: Yeah, thing is, it only takes one of them out of a thousand to totally hose traffic because mass congregates at its slowest point. And here's two out of about 30.

there's just no reason for it.


And how badly does a car accident 'totally hose traffic'? You know, the accident you get into because you are doing 80 on a road designed for 50, and can't make the corner, slide off the road, through the median, and into oncoming traffic?

All just to get to your destination a minute earlier. There's just no reason for it.

stonicus: URAPNIS: stonicus: Leaving too much distance and accelerating like a drop of molasses are a huge factor in why traffic gets congested, and is the answer to the question of "how the fark did only 4 cars mae it through that greenlight?!?!"

Don't you just love it when the slow poke makes it through the yellow, leaving you at the red light?

Good times.

I love it when I am pulling up to a light and someone in the adjacent lane has left like 2 carlengths between them and the car in front of them, and I move over and slide into that spot. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

Ha!
I do the same thing.
Simple with a Jeep Wrangler.

fredklein: mephisto6: Yeah, thing is, it only takes one of them out of a thousand to totally hose traffic because mass congregates at its slowest point. And here's two out of about 30.

there's just no reason for it.


And how badly does a car accident 'totally hose traffic'? You know, the accident you get into because you are doing 80 on a road designed for 50, and can't make the corner, slide off the road, through the median, and into oncoming traffic?

All just to get to your destination a minute earlier. There's just no reason for it.

It's not just about speeding... it's about people going drastically under the speed limit as well.
How many car accidents are caused by "safe" drivers who think they're protecting everyone else and enforcing their own set of standards on the road? Too fast and too slow, both are bad.

fredklein: mephisto6: Yeah, thing is, it only takes one of them out of a thousand to totally hose traffic because mass congregates at its slowest point. And here's two out of about 30.

there's just no reason for it.


And how badly does a car accident 'totally hose traffic'? You know, the accident you get into because you are doing 80 on a road designed for 50, and can't make the corner, slide off the road, through the median, and into oncoming traffic?

All just to get to your destination a minute earlier. There's just no reason for it.

If anything, the speed limits are usually well below what speeds the road is built for. (and what is deemed safe speeds by the DMV)

stonicus: How many car accidents are caused by "safe" drivers who think they're protecting everyone else and enforcing their own set of standards on the road?

I never heard a report of an accident say "Police believe the accident was caused by driving too slowly". I have heard "Police believe the accident was caused by driving too fast", however.

BunkyBrewman: If anything, the speed limits are usually well below what speeds the road is built for. (and what is deemed safe speeds by the DMV)

[citation needed]

Kyle Butler: Interstate Highway planners back in the 50's would have been well advised to loop I-95 around Delaware thus avoiding the extortion that Delaware practices.

Delaware has no sales or gas tax, so they were allowed to collect tolls on their section of I-95. If you fill up your tank while you're in DE, you're going to save money on the deal.

/Also Delaware drivers are the worst on the road. Worse than Jersey. Worse than New Yorkers.

Kyle Butler: Interstate Highway planners back in the 50's would have been well advised to loop I-95 around Delaware thus avoiding the extortion that Delaware practices.

If you read the history of I-95, it was NOT supposed to run through Pennsylvania, but the PA politicians whined and cried, and now there is a complete clusterfark of "I-95" that runs halfway up the state, crosses into NJ, some somewhere in NJ, it becomes I-95 again. The same goes with I-295 in NJ that actually parallels I-95 in PA. The person who came up with that idea should be shot.

MBrady: Kyle Butler: Interstate Highway planners back in the 50's would have been well advised to loop I-95 around Delaware thus avoiding the extortion that Delaware practices.

If you read the history of I-95, it was NOT supposed to run through Pennsylvania, but the PA politicians whined and cried, and now there is a complete clusterfark of "I-95" that runs halfway up the state, crosses into NJ, some somewhere in NJ, it becomes I-95 again. The same goes with I-295 in NJ that actually parallels I-95 in PA. The person who came up with that idea should be shot.

Actually, it was a New Jersey freeway revolt that left it unfinished, they didn't want to give up all the filthy lucre from the Jersey Turnpike. Pennsylvania is, in fact, cleaning up the mess with the PA Turnpike/I-95 Interchange Project. Following its completion you won't have to deal with the Jersey clusterfark anymore.

taliesinwi: MindStalker: skinink: "Intended to combat aggressive driving on the state's multilane highways, the bill would revamp the rule to cover drivers impeding traffic in the far left-hand lane. A change made to the bill clarifies that drivers traveling at the posted speed limit in the left lane would not be in violation."
This makes sense. You can't tell people they are allowed to speed even in the left lane. The real issue is the speed limit needs to be raised, or at least modified for the left lane. Now, it would make more sense id say, the speed limit was raised to 75 AND if if you are below the limit plus traffic going the limit passes you on the right, then you must move from the left.
I think the speed limit on the left lane should be 80mph. That seems to be the average speed I see there and it's rare I notice it above that, though I've clocked myself going above that at times.

It shouldn't matter. In a multi-lane road you shouldn't STAY in the left lane. You should be in only long enough to pass or a bit longer if there is a left hand exit. The amendment to this bill says, WTF, you can stay in it as long as you want as long as you are going the max. This really breaks the intent of the idea.

As long as by "multi" you mean "more than two", I'm down with that. On a two lane interstate if I'm doing 70 and everyone else is going 65 or below I'm going to stay in the left lane until I see someone approaching me in the rearview mirror, then I will happily get out of their way and then get _right_ back in the left lane after they pass me. You have to understand that in a place like WI, the slow lane has some _actually slow_ people in it, not just those who are merely going the speed limit. Harley riders especially like to camp out in the slow lane doing 3-5 under the speed limit. There's no way you can convince me that diving in and out of the right lane ten times in twenty minutes is safer than just doing a nice constant speed in the left lane and yielding when nece ...

Ok, yea I was thinking 3 or 4 lanes, on a 2 lane (per side) highway your probably right, it really depends upon individual highways. Far right lane is really a merge lane in most places anyways. Either way if your holding up traffic even for someone going way over the speed limit, just move over.

Nakito: The problem is so blindingly obvious that most people don't see it until you point it out to them. The problem is using cruise control in the passing lane.

The car in the left lane that consistently travels at exactly the same speed as the car in the right lane? Cruise control.

The car in the left lane that passes at a agonizingly slow but consistent rate? Cruise control.

The car in the left lane that goes exactly the same speed mile after mile while others pass it on the right? Cruise control.

Blame it all on cruise control. The problem is the driver whose driving style is to move into the left lane and then set cruise control, followed by mindless miles of callous obviousness.

No- "callous obviousness" refers to the way in which you made your point. I believe you mean "obliviousness," a word you should have reconsidered attempting to use in the first place, as it is inherently a pretty awful word.

I'm still not convinced that people driving slower than the normal flow of traffic are bigger accident risks than people driving faster than the normal flow of traffic, though many farkers appear to believe this.

csb: Back in the '80's I'm returning from Maine to PA. On the Cross-Brooklyn Expressway (?) in one of the right hand lanes (not the extreme right, but far enough right for a midwesterner to have some options on an unfamiliar road), traveling well above the posted speed limit (as were all the other cars - I was keeping up with traffic in my lane). Driver of car behind me pissed, honking, flashing, obviously in a great hurry. He finally gets a chance to get by me, passenger flips me off as they go around. Two NYC cops, either end of shift or suffering donut withdrawal.

/still get pissed when I cross the Mississippi river headed east
// stay that way till I cross it headed west.
///Live on west coast now.

Nakito: The problem is so blindingly obvious that most people don't see it until you point it out to them. The problem is using cruise control in the passing lane.

The car in the left lane that consistently travels at exactly the same speed as the car in the right lane? Cruise control.

The car in the left lane that passes at a agonizingly slow but consistent rate? Cruise control.

The car in the left lane that goes exactly the same speed mile after mile while others pass it on the right? Cruise control.

Blame it all on cruise control. The problem is the driver whose driving style is to move into the left lane and then set cruise control, followed by mindless miles of callous obviousness.

I'll argue against that. My problem is with people who don't use cruise control appropriately, out in the middle of nowhere in Texas, on a two lane state highway. I want to set my cruise to go 75 or 80. I come up on a slower person, and have to wait till the dotted line to pass. So I wait, then pass them when I get the chance. Then their foot gets heavy (or they get pissed that I had the audacity to dearly want to not be driving out in the middle of nowhere in Texas for any longer than absolutely necessary) shortly after I'm back in the correct lane, so they slingshot back ahead of me, wait 30 seconds, and then slow back down to 65. Because they're not using cruise. Rinse and repeat ad nauseum. You want to go faster than me, that's cool, but make up your damn mind. Stay slow, or stay fast, but don't bounce back and forth.

falcon176: Molavian: We need to restrict semi-trucks to the right lane while we're at it.

everybody in Houston does 5-10 under the speed limit and it's farking obnoxious the "no trucks in left lane" rule does nothing except encourage soccer moms and old people into the lane

What the funk are you talking about? I lived east of Houston for 3 years and then in north Houston for 1. Every day on I-45 it was basically a 4 lane all out race. I would routine find used doing 70 (the day time speed limit) in the right lane with three others lanes blowing by me and someone riding my ass.

It didn't bother me as I would speed up because as other in the thread have said its better to keep pace of traffic then to be the a rolling safety hazard.

Not really calling you out I just know that I-10, 610, and 45 all around houston can be brutal.

I do love the "feeder road" concept though.

farkityfarker: I'm still not convinced that people driving slower than the normal flow of traffic are bigger accident risks than people driving faster than the normal flow of traffic, though many farkers appear to believe this.

Oh, let me tell you a nice story then.

I was driving back from Boston down to NY on I95. It was late at night, tennish, and I was bopping along in the middle lane, matching the flow of traffic.

Slower semi in front of me, put blinker on, look over shoulder and look ahead, zip into fast lane. And immediately get behind someone doing 55.

Obstructions are obstructions, period. If you're being high and mighty with an attitude of 'I'm doing the speed limit and THAT'S THE LAW', your ignorance is blinding you to the actual physics of the environment you are currently in.

Mr. Safe Minivan driver kept his speed down, the truck in front hit slower traffic, which made the semi parallel to Mr. Safe, who proceeded to dawdle along in willful ignorance of his now-lost space cushion.

For those who don't know what a space cushion is, it's keeping one lane open at all times so if and when the shiat hits the fan, you can change lanes and get out of the way.

Seeing an accident in my mind, I backed off so I was two carlengths between the ass-end of the truck. Sure enough, Mr. Dribbles was caught off guard when someone in front of the truck stopped short, the trucker locked his brakes, slid out of his lane and instantly mushed Mr. Slow's minvan to something more of the thickness of a thin mint.

Had he sped up, not obstructed flow, the accident would not have happened. Had he gotten out of the lane, the accident would not have happened.

Don't be a douche. The Law can't look at what's actually happening in real time and protect you from shiat happening. Don't be ignorant to the environment around you. Don't be obstructionist to other traffic. Your morals of "I'm right to block" will be a nice epitath when they're scraping you off the pavement.

Pull over to the right, and get over yourself. The life you save might be mine.

Molavian: We need to restrict semi-trucks to the right lane while we're at it.


We need to make people ride with a trucker for at least a week before issuing them a license. You would be a perfect candidate for this type of education.

fredklein: mephisto6: No, what you love is being a dick. For no reason at all.

Speed kills. The faster you go, the less time you have to react. Thus, a larger chance of getting into an accident. And the worse the damage is when you do hit something.

People who go the speed limit aren't dicks. People who speed, and thus needlessly endanger everyone else on the road, are the dicks.

BTW, I don't drive, so....

My dad was a cop who taught me how to drive.

Rule 1: Don't drive faster than you can think.

Some people are unsafe at any speed. Typically they focus on the pavement directly in front of the car and not at the horizon where they should so they can process the entire scene.

Yes, looking down the road where you are going to be in 30 seconds is key -- especially when on a motorcycle, and even more so in a plane.

Speed doesn't kill, morans who should not be driving kill.

farkityfarker: I'm still not convinced that people driving slower than the normal flow of traffic are bigger accident risks than people driving faster than the normal flow of traffic, though many farkers experienced drivers appear to believe understand this.

FTFY

Znuh: Seeing an accident in my mind, I backed off so I was two carlengths between the ass-end of the truck. Sure enough, Mr. Dribbles was caught off guard when someone in front of the truck stopped short, the trucker locked his brakes, slid out of his lane and instantly mushed Mr. Slow's minvan to something more of the thickness of a thin mint.

Had he sped up, not obstructed flow, the accident would not have happened. Had he gotten out of the lane, the accident would not have happened.

Had the trucker left enough space between his truck and the car ahead of him, he wouldn't have had to "lock his brakes" when the car in front stopped. Tailgating kills.

Don't be a douche.

Like, say, referring to the victim of a car accident as "Mr. Safe Minivan driver", "Mr. Slow'", and "Mr. Dribbles"?? Don't be a douche like that, is that what you're saying?

I backed off so I was two carlengths between the ass-end of the truck.

Bad grammar aside, safe following speed is roughly 1 car length for every 10mph. You should have been 5-6 car lengths behind. It's people like you, tailgating and speeding, who cause most accidents.

lohphat: Rule 1: Don't drive faster than you can think.

Some people are unsafe at any speed. Typically they focus on the pavement directly in front of the car and not at the horizon where they should so they can process the entire scene.

Yes, looking down the road where you are going to be in 30 seconds is key -- especially when on a motorcycle, and even more so in a plane.

That's certainly a good idea. However, looking 30 seconds down the road doesn't help when a kid darts out between parked cars, or a tire blows, or some gravel from a passing car cracks your windshield, or a deer decides to run across the highway... right in front of you.

There's this little thing called 'response time'. It takes a certain fraction of a second to see a danger, and physically react to it by, say, hitting the brakes. This response time varies, of course, but is usually 1 - 1.5 seconds. In that time, you've gone 90 - 130 feet at 60mph. And that's the number you need to factor into 'don't drive faster than you think'.

fredklein: That's certainly a good idea. However, looking 30 seconds down the road doesn't help when a kid darts out between parked cars, or a tire blows, or some gravel from a passing car cracks your windshield, or a deer decides to run across the highway... right in front of you.

There's this little thing called 'response time'. It takes a certain fraction of a second to see a danger, and physically react to it by, say, hitting the brakes. This response time varies, of course, but is usually 1 - 1.5 seconds. In that time, you've gone 90 - 130 feet at 60mph. And that's the number you need to factor into 'don't drive faster than you think'.

Really? I had no idea.

Why then is the US a bloodbath annually compared to other developed countries that have higher speed limits?

Proficiency.

We allow any moran to drive. Speed affects the outcome of the accident, the key is not to have one in the first place by not creating situations where conflicts arise namely slow drivers in the wrong lane (or behind the wheel where they have no business being). Note the prevalence of automatic transmissions in the US but not in the EU -- we encourage inattentive driving.

lohphat: Why then is the US a bloodbath annually compared to other developed countries that have higher speed limits?

We're a bigger country, thus people need to drive more? More driving = more accidents (aka "bloodbath").

Speed affects the outcome of the accident, the key is not to have one in the first place by not creating situations where conflicts arise namely slow drivers in the wrong lane (or behind the wheel where they have no business being).

It takes two to tango. Or in this case, 'conflict'. You seem to be focusing on getting rid of the slow drivers. But there is an equally effective alternative- getting rid of the fast drivers. If everyone drove the speed limit, there'd be no 'conflicts'.

fredklein: lohphat: Why then is the US a bloodbath annually compared to other developed countries that have higher speed limits?

We're a bigger country, thus people need to drive more? More driving = more accidents (aka "bloodbath").

Speed affects the outcome of the accident, the key is not to have one in the first place by not creating situations where conflicts arise namely slow drivers in the wrong lane (or behind the wheel where they have no business being).

It takes two to tango. Or in this case, 'conflict'. You seem to be focusing on getting rid of the slow drivers. But there is an equally effective alternative- getting rid of the fast drivers. If everyone drove the speed limit, there'd be no 'conflicts'.

You have no concept of fluid dynamics. There must be the ability to pass. If everyone's at the same speed, you get congestion.

Once again, other developed countries don't focus on anal-retentive speed limits, just the outliers clearly exceeding the prima face speed and not strct adherace to the posted limit; they ticket you for clogging the passing lane regardless of your speed.

But then again, their driving test standards are higher than ours and the average driver understands the concept and efficiencies of roundabouts.

Had the trucker left enough space between his truck and the car ahead of him

Truckers can't leave space without going 10 mph slower than the slowest car. If trucks are anywhere close to traffic speed cars will cut close in front of them.

lohphat:
You have no concept of fluid dynamics. There must be the ability to pass. If everyone's at the same speed, you get congestion.

If everyone is at the same speed, then noone needs to pass. That's called laminar flow, smooth and uniform, and does not have congestion. It's when you experience turbulent flow (things not moving uniformly) that flow is hindered.

Now, to the real world, where that will just never happen (everyone actually goes the same speed)... I support punishing people who clog the passing lane. I also am highly supportive of regular driving tests and instructions. So few people out there seem to understand the rules of the road (especially rules of right of way). If you're 80, need both hands on the wheel to drive, face pressed up to the windshield and you can still only do 35 in a 55, you *shouldn't* be driving!!! You're going to kill someone!!! I so wish the US would invest heavily in public transportation systems.

fredklein: BunkyBrewman: If anything, the speed limits are usually well below what speeds the road is built for. (and what is deemed safe speeds by the DMV)

[citation needed]

Yeah, wiki, but still:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_li mit

"The speed limit will also take note of the speed at which the road was designed to be driven (the design speed) which is defined in the USA as "a selected speed used to determine the various geometric design features of the roadway".[60] However traffic engineers recognize that "operating speeds and even posted speed limits can be higher than design speeds without necessarily compromising safety". [61]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_s peed#Speed_limit_variance_from_d e sign_speed

"Recognizing the limitations on the use of the design speed for speed limit determination, "operating speeds and even posted speed limits can be higher than design speeds without necessarily compromising safety". [3]"

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/p ublications/flexibility/ch04.cfm
"Note that the design speed must be higher than the posted speed and should also be above the operating speed on a facility, regardless of the posted speed."

fredklein: BTW, I don't drive, so....

So what makes you think you know what you're talking about? And why do you care?

fredklein: BTW, I don't drive, so....

You're a moron.

Call back when you have real experience with real driving.

And I hope to God you try pulling your self-righteous crap on I95, the Cross Island Parkway, or better yet, on Tonnelle ave. You will have your ass literally handed to you.

Znuh: fredklein: BTW, I don't drive, so....

You're a moron.

Ad hominem. Typical.

I hope to God you try pulling your self-righteous crap on I95, the Cross Island Parkway, or better yet, on Tonnelle ave. You will have your ass literally handed to you.

This is how some people see the world, folks- if you dare obey the law, you deserve to be attacked. Nice, ain't it?