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Midwesterners go absolutely nuts when they first drive in the east coast because most of the eastern states have no laws about giving way to faster traffic. I don't know what to tell them except "get used to it, because we sure as hell had to."

So as the law is now you can stay in the left lane if you are traveling the speed limit, even though you are going slower than everyone else? And they want to change it so that you must move over or face a citation? Just want to make sure, I'm feeling a little dull this morning. Also, I wish I liked popcorn.

this is why we need to legalize machine guns and rocket launches for cars.

Can't we just recruit suicide drivers from hospice to take out these idiots?

Things must be going pretty well in Delaware if the lege has plenty of time to spend on pet peeves, huh?

Old-sour-pickle-chips: So as the law is now you can stay in the left lane if you are traveling the speed limit, even though you are going slower than everyone else? And they want to change it so that you must move over or face a citation? Just want to make sure, I'm feeling a little dull this morning. Also, I wish I liked popcorn.

No, you can't just be in the left lane. The article indicates that you can only be in the left lane if passing or turning left.

KerwoodDerby

East Coast states tend to have stronger laws about keeping right than Midwest states. (E.g. Mass., Virginia, New Jersey.) Culture is more important than law.

In New Hampshire yesterday I-93 north of Concord was a perfect example of drive right / pass left. South of Concord it turned into Massachusetts style any lane you like but try to keep up your speed if you're in the left lane. Which is in turn much better than Florida.

phaseolus: Things must be going pretty well in Delaware if the lege has plenty of time to spend on pet peeves, huh?

Hopefully they can work on that turn signal problem while they're at it .

Slower traffic keep right, and yeah, that includes the speed demons too (of which I include myself). Even when i'm going 80, and someone wants to pass, I let them go. I figure they can be cop bait if they're willing to take the risk. But what I find odd is that most of those people lack the self-awareness to think "man, it really annoys me when people don't get out of my way in the passing lane" while they never leave the passing lane.

/lack of self-awareness is a pet peeve of mine

Look, Delaware, I know you have approximately forty miles of interstate highway in your state, but that's no reason to shy away from the legality of admitting speed laws are a joke.

We need to restrict semi-trucks to the right lane while we're at it.

Shut........UP: this is why we need to legalize machine guns and rocket launches for cars.

As a driver in Texas, I fully support this...

Molavian: We need to restrict semi-trucks to the right lane while we're at it.

I'm not sure I've seen a single place besides left exit that doesn't ban trucks from at least the farthest left lane if there's more than two and no left exits. And as incredibly annoying it can be when slow trucks pass each other, I would think not allowing trucks to pass at all would be much worse. One really slow truck would back up dozens more and a two lane road becomes a one lane road for the cars.

Democracy doesn't require that legislators have the logical reasoning skills to understand that not mentioning the speed limit in this law would not conflict with the speed limit law. If someone behind you is trying to speed, it can still be illegal for you to block them. The law is not asking YOU to speed. Get over.

Molavian: We need to restrict semi-trucks to the right lane while we're at it.

everybody in Houston does 5-10 under the speed limit and it's farking obnoxious the "no trucks in left lane" rule does nothing except encourage soccer moms and old people into the lane

Interstate Highway planners back in the 50's would have been well advised to loop I-95 around Delaware thus avoiding the extortion that Delaware practices.

Next thing you know they'll be stopping in the Red Zone

AcneVulgaris: Can't we just recruit suicide drivers from hospice to take out these idiots?

It would be a little hard when they already comprise 90% of the people parked in the left lane.

"Intended to combat aggressive driving on the state's multilane highways, the bill would revamp the rule to cover drivers impeding traffic in the far left-hand lane. A change made to the bill clarifies that drivers traveling at the posted speed limit in the left lane would not be in violation."

This makes sense. You can't tell people they are allowed to speed even in the left lane. The real issue is the speed limit needs to be raised, or at least modified for the left lane. Now, it would make more sense id say, the speed limit was raised to 75 AND if if you are below the limit plus traffic going the limit passes you on the right, then you must move from the left.

I think the speed limit on the left lane should be 80mph. That seems to be the average speed I see there and it's rare I notice it above that, though I've clocked myself going above that at times.

Kyle Butler: Interstate Highway planners back in the 50's would have been well advised to loop I-95 around Delaware thus avoiding the extortion that Delaware practices.

You mean New Jersey.

I95 runs the east coast from new England to Florida but disappears in New Jersey, where you have to get onto the New Jersey turnpike.

Also, I hate to be that guy but after living in the UK for a while and coming back to the US it's frustrating just how badly Americans drive.

Left-lane blockers exist for the same reason that this thread will go on for hundreds of posts: they are so certain that they're right they cannot simply move over and let someone else go because that would be admitting defeat. They're going the speed limit, so at great potential risk to life and limb they are going to block the left lane just to demonstrate the justness of their cause, never mind that "I was right" is a hell of a thing to put on a gravestone.

It's zealousness, nothing more and nothing less.

One of the highways I take home has 3 lanes and t-bones another highway. Two right lanes go north, left lane goes south. The north is always backed up during rush hour, but no one wants to head south. Everyone routinely hops into the left lane, drives up to the very end, comes to a DEAD stop and backs up traffic because they're too impatient to wait in line.

/CSB, still trying to figure out how my impotent rage relates to the issue in the article.

12349876: Molavian: We need to restrict semi-trucks to the right lane while we're at it.

I'm not sure I've seen a single place besides left exit that doesn't ban trucks from at least the farthest left lane if there's more than two and no left exits. And as incredibly annoying it can be when slow trucks pass each other, I would think not allowing trucks to pass at all would be much worse. One really slow truck would back up dozens more and a two lane road becomes a one lane road for the cars.

I hate it when they decide to pass each other JUST in time to cut me off. Nothing like having to brake at 75 because some dick trucker couldn't wait three seconds for me to be past.

StrikitRich: Next thing you know they'll be stopping in the Red Zone

Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone shiat again...

Simple rule of multi-lane highways: If someone passes you on the right, you are in the wrong lane.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Left-lane blockers exist for the same reason that this thread will go on for hundreds of posts: they are so certain that they're right they cannot simply move over and let someone else go because that would be admitting defeat. They're going the speed limit, so at great potential risk to life and limb they are going to block the left lane just to demonstrate the justness of their cause, never mind that "I was right" is a hell of a thing to put on a gravestone.

It's zealousness, nothing more and nothing less.

As far as I have experienced in FL, they are ignorant of most driving rules and etiquette. They are not trying to make a point; they can barely figure out where they are going half the time. I usually cut in front of them, put on my right turn signal and tap on the brakes to make them flash and get their attention. It usually works so long as the line behind them waits patiently for these people to get out of the lane.

KerwoodDerby: Midwesterners go absolutely nuts when they first drive in the east coast because most of the eastern states have no laws about giving way to faster traffic.."

Wisconsinite here; my state SUCKS at proper lane usage. Freeway travel on the freeway system in Milwaukee and on the Beltline around Madison is a pain in the ass because of the left lane hogs. I was quite relieved when I went to New Orleans and saw the left lane is for passing rule followed on I-10.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: never mind that "I was right" is a hell of a thing to put on a gravetombstone.




That sounds delicious!

Or you could live in a country that doesn't have anal-retentive laws that doesn't turn roads into legal shakedown zones for cops and let you drive as per the conditions.

Oh yeah, and getting a driving license is difficult as opposed to showing up with a pulse.

/and has roundabouts
//brought butter for the popcorms

The problem is so blindingly obvious that most people don't see it until you point it out to them. The problem is using cruise control in the passing lane.

The car in the left lane that consistently travels at exactly the same speed as the car in the right lane? Cruise control.

The car in the left lane that passes at a agonizingly slow but consistent rate? Cruise control.

The car in the left lane that goes exactly the same speed mile after mile while others pass it on the right? Cruise control.

Blame it all on cruise control. The problem is the driver whose driving style is to move into the left lane and then set cruise control, followed by mindless miles of callous obviousness.

How article should read:

"Florida started to pass a common-sense law but then proceeded to demonstrate precisely why they have their own Fark tag."

How law should read:

"When two vehicles are traveling in the same direction on a roadway with more than one lane of traffic traveling in the same direction, if another vehicle is moving faster than your vehicle, regardless of the speed at which your vehicle or the other vehicle is traveling, you are required to move your vehicle to the right in order to allow the faster vehicle to pass." (Gotta be extremely specific for the idiots in FL and the self-appointed saviors of the universe)

No, it doesn't matter if the faster vehicle is going 100mph - law of averages indicates that the law of abject stupidity will end that with a fiery crash around a tree. If you decide 60 is fast enough, law of averages combines with law of abject stupidity to ensure it will be ended with a fiery crash around your car instead.

skinink: "Intended to combat aggressive driving on the state's multilane highways, the bill would revamp the rule to cover drivers impeding traffic in the far left-hand lane. A change made to the bill clarifies that drivers traveling at the posted speed limit in the left lane would not be in violation."
This makes sense. You can't tell people they are allowed to speed even in the left lane. The real issue is the speed limit needs to be raised, or at least modified for the left lane. Now, it would make more sense id say, the speed limit was raised to 75 AND if if you are below the limit plus traffic going the limit passes you on the right, then you must move from the left.
I think the speed limit on the left lane should be 80mph. That seems to be the average speed I see there and it's rare I notice it above that, though I've clocked myself going above that at times.

It shouldn't matter. In a multi-lane road you shouldn't STAY in the left lane. You should be in only long enough to pass or a bit longer if there is a left hand exit. The amendment to this bill says, WTF, you can stay in it as long as you want as long as you are going the max. This really breaks the intent of the idea.

Oops, that was Delaware. It was so blindingly stupid I got it stuck in my head it was FL instead.

Nakito: Blame it all on cruise controlautomatic transmissions. The problem is the driver whose driving style is to move into the left lane and then set cruise control, followed by mindless miles of callous obviousness.

Amidoingitriteguise?

I always thought Germany was a great model: trucks all stay in the extreme right lane doing 85 clicks an hour, middle lane does about 130-140, left lane is all out. You always pass on the left.

Mentalpatient87: 12349876: Molavian: We need to restrict semi-trucks to the right lane while we're at it.

I'm not sure I've seen a single place besides left exit that doesn't ban trucks from at least the farthest left lane if there's more than two and no left exits. And as incredibly annoying it can be when slow trucks pass each other, I would think not allowing trucks to pass at all would be much worse. One really slow truck would back up dozens more and a two lane road becomes a one lane road for the cars.

I hate it when they decide to pass each other JUST in time to cut me off. Nothing like having to brake at 75 because some dick trucker couldn't wait three seconds for me to be past.

Maybe get a CB radio and let him know it's you trying to pass, next time.

Old-sour-pickle-chips: So as the law is now you can stay in the left lane if you are traveling the speed limit, even though you are going slower than everyone else? And they want to change it so that you must move over or face a citation? Just want to make sure, I'm feeling a little dull this morning. Also, I wish I liked popcorn.

Well yeah, except whoever spearheaded this thing (after being late to work and going "goddammit i'm tired of this shiat") failed to think it through, so they modified the law to read, "Never mind. Carry on."

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Left-lane blockers exist for the same reason that this thread will go on for hundreds of posts: they are so certain that they're right they cannot simply move over and let someone else go because that would be admitting defeat. .


But actually, they are wrong. Due to government regulations, most speedometers on late model cars read slightly fast. (Instead of saying the allowable tolerance in speedometers is, say plus or minus 2 mph ay 60 mph, it instead says it may read plus 4 and minus zero. So manaufacturers spec speedometers thatare +/- 2 mph accurate, and set the 2 mph fast. ) I've checked it against the speed on my GPS, and my own car reads 2 to 3 miles fast. Which means that when the speedometer says 65 mph, the self-righteous douchenozzle in front of me is really only going 62 mph.

So move over douchenozzles! If the law says only 65 mph, I want to go 65, not 62!

Shut........UP: this is why we need to legalize machine guns and rocket launches for cars.

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Personally I don't find it a midwest/east-coast issue as much as a rural/urban issue. Same problems sometimes w/ folks in Chicago as in D.C., Philadelphia, Boston, etc. Chicago folks in the mid-west are used to many more lanes and some of them don't seem to *think* about that the far-left lane's meaning. They'll stay there all day.

Almost never see the issue for example in rural Kentucky when passing lanes appear for trucks on hills.

I did have an uncle-in-law years ago who drove all the way across Florida going the speed limit in the left lane while I followed him for hours. He didn't have a cell phone and wouldn't tell me where we were going so I had to just keep following him. Couldn't even get over into the left lane like a normal human as that would have been worse w/ us both blocking traffic. His explanation when we finally got there? "I have a blind spot to the back right of the van and I don' like merging back to the right." Considering the speed he was driving he'd have never needed to pass anyone to eventually merge anyway.

falcon176: Molavian: We need to restrict semi-trucks to the right lane while we're at it.

everybody in Houston does 5-10 under the speed limit and it's farking obnoxious the "no trucks in left lane" rule does nothing except encourage soccer moms and old people into the lane

In Texas the left lane is becoming the "Talk/text on your phone lane" because the morons somehow think it's safer to be over there when they do it.

As long as they don't have dumbass provisions against passing on the right, left-lane blocking isn't as much of a problem.

Roy_G_Biv: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Left-lane blockers exist for the same reason that this thread will go on for hundreds of posts: they are so certain that they're right they cannot simply move over and let someone else go because that would be admitting defeat. .


But actually, they are wrong. Due to government regulations, most speedometers on late model cars read slightly fast. (Instead of saying the allowable tolerance in speedometers is, say plus or minus 2 mph ay 60 mph, it instead says it may read plus 4 and minus zero. So manaufacturers spec speedometers thatare +/- 2 mph accurate, and set the 2 mph fast. ) I've checked it against the speed on my GPS, and my own car reads 2 to 3 miles fast. Which means that when the speedometer says 65 mph, the self-righteous douchenozzle in front of me is really only going 62 mph.

So move over douchenozzles! If the law says only 65 mph, I want to go 65, not 62!

Most cars have a "debug mode" you can put the dash displays into and get readouts of various things, including speed with tenths. Mine cycles through them on the odometer/trip meter display when you press the trip reset button. Years ago I noticed that the needle speedometer does, in fact, display slower than the digital one. The car knows its true speed but the needle is fudged and I adjust accordingly.

I'd comment on this very important matter, but I'm stuck doing a mere 73 in the left lane of a 55 zone because this guy in front of me insist on passing ALL the trucks, instead of zipping into the tiny margins between them so that I can pass. And did I mention that I'm taking my grandmother to the hospital? She survived the holocaust, but I guess she won't survive the terrible scourge of people whose penises are tiny and who cannot drive as awesome as me, which is everybody.

/yes, I've been in a bunch of accidents, because other people are terrible drivers and I can't dodge them all
//the tickets were from cops who were intimidated by my penis and/or driving skills

SharkTrager: falcon176: Molavian: We need to restrict semi-trucks to the right lane while we're at it.

everybody in Houston does 5-10 under the speed limit and it's farking obnoxious the "no trucks in left lane" rule does nothing except encourage soccer moms and old people into the lane

In Texas the left lane is becoming the "Talk/text on your phone lane" because the morons somehow think it's safer to be over there when they do it.

I was talking to this older gentleman at work and he was complaining about traffic. At some point, he brought up driving in the left lane. He feels "safer" over there on freeways.
I pointed out that he had less options and should probably move down one, maintain speed, and just let people drive. Even if they're going faster than he chooses to.
He said, "Well, I move over when someone is behind me."
No you don't. You do not.

He doesn't shoot the shiat with me anymore.

germ78: As long as they don't have dumbass provisions against passing on the right, left-lane blocking isn't as much of a problem.

Except for the fact that left-lane blockers are also the same dumbasses that don't check right-side blindspots.

Nakito: The problem is so blindingly obvious that most people don't see it until you point it out to them. The problem is using cruise control in the passing lane.

The car in the left lane that consistently travels at exactly the same speed as the car in the right lane? Cruise control.

The car in the left lane that passes at a agonizingly slow but consistent rate? Cruise control.

The car in the left lane that goes exactly the same speed mile after mile while others pass it on the right? Cruise control.

Blame it all on cruise control. The problem is the driver whose driving style is to move into the left lane and then set cruise control, followed by mindless miles of callous obviousness.

And they have the mentality of "I need to make a left turn 20 miles up the road from here, so I'll just go ahead and get in the left lane now."

MindStalker: skinink: "Intended to combat aggressive driving on the state's multilane highways, the bill would revamp the rule to cover drivers impeding traffic in the far left-hand lane. A change made to the bill clarifies that drivers traveling at the posted speed limit in the left lane would not be in violation."
This makes sense. You can't tell people they are allowed to speed even in the left lane. The real issue is the speed limit needs to be raised, or at least modified for the left lane. Now, it would make more sense id say, the speed limit was raised to 75 AND if if you are below the limit plus traffic going the limit passes you on the right, then you must move from the left.
I think the speed limit on the left lane should be 80mph. That seems to be the average speed I see there and it's rare I notice it above that, though I've clocked myself going above that at times.

It shouldn't matter. In a multi-lane road you shouldn't STAY in the left lane. You should be in only long enough to pass or a bit longer if there is a left hand exit. The amendment to this bill says, WTF, you can stay in it as long as you want as long as you are going the max. This really breaks the intent of the idea.

As long as by "multi" you mean "more than two", I'm down with that. On a two lane interstate if I'm doing 70 and everyone else is going 65 or below I'm going to stay in the left lane until I see someone approaching me in the rearview mirror, then I will happily get out of their way and then get _right_ back in the left lane after they pass me. You have to understand that in a place like WI, the slow lane has some _actually slow_ people in it, not just those who are merely going the speed limit. Harley riders especially like to camp out in the slow lane doing 3-5 under the speed limit. There's no way you can convince me that diving in and out of the right lane ten times in twenty minutes is safer than just doing a nice constant speed in the left lane and yielding when necessary. Unless a guy is doing 90 in the left lane it's not like he's going to be on you in seconds flat once he appears in your rearview mirror.

I don't think interstates should be less than three lanes for just that reason, especially if trucks have to go slower than cars. All is takes is one asshole trucker who decides he needs to do 56 while passing four trucks doing 55, and you'll have fifteen, twenty cars who have to slam on their brakes because they're cruising along at 10 MPH faster (because they're allowed to) and suddenly they have nowhere else to go. You see this all the time on places like I-65 from Chicago to Indy.

looks like we still have some things being taught to us by Hitler ....U have to admit ..aside from being batshait crazy they guy had a few good ideas ....no we could just get our roads built to his standards we would be ok ......