But, he's a soldier! A soldier, man!

Nice to see he's still a douche, makes the world fell right somehow.

We'll miss him.

Only the Browns would have passed on Roethlisberger to get this guy.

if anything will help an open QB competition, it's a TE with a WR's ego.

He never missed a game for the Bucs and always put up real good numbers for a tight end. But he seemed to be forever arguing with QB Josh Freeman after plays about what route was called, and last year he dropped more passes in the end zone than he caught. Dallas Clark is five years older, and coming off an injury. But it's understandable that a new coach wouldn't want to deal with a self centered prima donna like Winslow, and it's about a tossup in talent.

But Winslow might be a good fit for the Seahawks. They have not thrown much to the tight end over the past several years, but then they have not had a Matt Flynn either. If he can get anywhere near the numbers he put up in Tampa Bay it will be a huge improvement for them.

SigmaAlgebra: Only the Browns would have passed on Roethlisberger to get this guy.

So Ben was the #2 pick in the draft? Got it!

/Or, "yinz" could get over your Cleveland bashing ways to note that four other teams after Cleveland also passed on him, as he was a MAC QB, and MAC QBs usually turn out like Bruce Gradkowski.

If your best player is the TE, it might be time to get better players.

Has his father's talent...does not have his father's heart or guts

IlGreven: SigmaAlgebra: Only the Browns would have passed on Roethlisberger to get this guy.

So Ben was the #2 pick in the draft? Got it!

/Or, "yinz" could get over your Cleveland bashing ways to note that four other teams after Cleveland also passed on him, as he was a MAC QB, and MAC QBs usually turn out like Bruce Gradkowski.

I'm still glad we passed on Big Ben. I wasn't pleased by the way Winslow worked out... but them's the breaks.

As a bucs fan, I am glad to see this douche go.

I guess his motorcycle's staying, then?

One thing of note from that draft...

there are 8 Pro Bowlers that were selected in rounds 4-7. There are 6 PBers from that 'class' that were undrafted.

/just sayin'

IlGreven: SigmaAlgebra: Only the Browns would have passed on Roethlisberger to get this guy.

So Ben was the #2 pick in the draft? Got it!

/Or, "yinz" could get over your Cleveland bashing ways to note that four other teams after Cleveland also passed on him, as he was a MAC QB, and MAC QBs usually turn out like Bruce Gradkowski.

If Cleveland had taken Roethlisberger, he would have turned out like Gradkowski.

Upgrade at TE for a 7th rounder (6th rounder if he's actually worth it, which again, means it's worth it). Like. Now even though everyone has an injury history, maybe this will be the year that someone stays healthy all year!

He plays football?

UCFRoadWarrior: Has his father's talent...does not have his father's heart or guts

greenbowlpacker: As a bucs fan, I am glad to see this douche go.

As a Hawks (and Huskies) fan, I am *NOT* excited about this move.

KJUW89: As a Hawks (and Huskies) fan, I am *NOT* excited about this move.

Why? He's 4th among all TEs in receptions over the past few years. He cost virtually nothing and he's an upgrade. We got 233 yards out of Zach Miller last year. Winslow averages 500+ more yards than that. Helps the 2 TE sets and now we don't have to worry as much about our somewhat weak WR situation.

UCFRoadWarrior: Has his father's talent...does not have his father's heart or guts

Maybe. But his daddy was a dickhead, too.

IAmRight: Upgrade at TE for a 7th rounder (6th rounder if he's actually worth it, which again, means it's worth it).

Schiano meets with the guy one time and immediately sends him across the country for a bag of jujubees and a twelve pack of Old Milwaukee light.
Must have been one hell of a meeting.

IAmRight: KJUW89: As a Hawks (and Huskies) fan, I am *NOT* excited about this move.

Why? He's 4th among all TEs in receptions over the past few years. He cost virtually nothing and he's an upgrade. We got 233 yards out of Zach Miller last year. Winslow averages 500+ more yards than that. Helps the 2 TE sets and now we don't have to worry as much about our somewhat weak WR situation.

No he isn't. Zach Miller is a better player at this stage of their careers, and not the headache that Winslow is, either. An acceptable QB and a line that doesn't require the TE to block every down would have had resulted in more completions and yards from Miller. Winslow is better depth, I guess, but nothing more than that.

Droog8912: No he isn't. Zach Miller is a better player at this stage of their careers, and not the headache that Winslow is, either. An acceptable QB and a line that doesn't require the TE to block every down would have had resulted in more completions and yards from Miller. Winslow is better depth, I guess, but nothing more than that.

He's going to be used at the same time as Miller. My point about Miller is that he was their big producer at TE.

They lost John Carlson to the Vikings and now they have two good TEs. They gave up a seventh-rounder (which makes him basically free). Winslow hasn't missed a game in three years and as for the "head case" crap, pretty much all of that comes from either college or his early years - he hasn't been much of a problem recently, aside from drops.

Anyone who is a Seahawks fan who doesn't like what they've done this offseason is out of their damn mind.

What can I say...I don't like having problem children on my teams. He can have a great run here and I still won't like having him in a Seahawk uniform.

KJUW89: What can I say...I don't like having problem children on my teams. He can have a great run here and I still won't like having him in a Seahawk uniform.

At least he isn't Jerramy Stevens. That scumbag should DIAF.

KJUW89: What can I say...I don't like having problem children on my teams. He can have a great run here and I still won't like having him in a Seahawk uniform.

Again, the last time he was a "problem child" was back when he was with Cleveland and was back when the Seahawks were going to a Super Bowl. I think we can say it's been a while since that stuff. Since then, he's gotten married, had a kid, and largely settled down.

The actual last thing I can find is the staph infection issue, and when 7 people on the team get one, yeah, it's probably on the Browns. That's why the owner rescinded his GM's suspension of Winslow.

IAmRight: KJUW89: What can I say...I don't like having problem children on my teams. He can have a great run here and I still won't like having him in a Seahawk uniform.

Again, the last time he was a "problem child" was back when he was with Cleveland and was back when the Seahawks were going to a Super Bowl. I think we can say it's been a while since that stuff. Since then, he's gotten married, had a kid, and largely settled down.

The actual last thing I can find is the staph infection issue, and when 7 people on the team get one, yeah, it's probably on the Browns. That's why the owner rescinded his GM's suspension of Winslow.

You are right... Winslow is probably just misunderstood.

IAmRight: KJUW89: What can I say...I don't like having problem children on my teams. He can have a great run here and I still won't like having him in a Seahawk uniform.

Again, the last time he was a "problem child" was back when he was with Cleveland and was back when the Seahawks were going to a Super Bowl. I think we can say it's been a while since that stuff. Since then, he's gotten married, had a kid, and largely settled down.

The actual last thing I can find is the staph infection issue, and when 7 people on the team get one, yeah, it's probably on the Browns. That's why the owner rescinded his GM's suspension of Winslow.

(*shrug*)...I'm a girl, and can hold onto grudges for way too long. Like I said, he may prove to be a great fit and do a lot of great things, I'll just never be happy about it.

Wow, he's got to be in his 50's by now. I'll never forget that game against Miami back in '81.

IAmRight: Anyone who is a Seahawks fan who doesn't like what they've done this offseason is out of their damn mind.

I'm not a seahawk fan but I follow them as a local. And you're right. I think Winslow is an underachieving prima donna douchebag who will push aside old ladies and children if the boat starts sinking, but he's also a damn good tight end - provided he deems that you have thrown him enough balls. Definitely a 'me first' kind of guy and that's not a great situation for a new qb. So we'll see how it works out but it could work out great. If they win - chemistry is overrated - winning cures everything.

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Wow, he's got to be in his 50's by now. I'll never forget that game against Miami back in '81.

There was a countdown on NFL Network recently with the 'Top 10 Gutsiest Performances " or something...can' recall where that one ranked, but it was in there.

/pretty sure one of the commentators they had on said he was FoS and doing a big AW job, I don't buy that though.
//though he WAS basically the only one completely wiped out...everyone else was running around a lot too...

Droog8912: At least he isn't Jerramy Stevens. That scumbag should DIAF.

That reminded me to go look up his rap sheet - I was wondering if he'd ever settled down. I guess not. That dude has got to have one of the all-time best rap sheets of anyone who lasted that long in the league.

IAmRight: They lost John Carlson to the Vikings and now they have two good TEs. They gave up a seventh-rounder (which makes him basically free). Winslow hasn't missed a game in three years and as for the "head case" crap, pretty much all of that comes from either college or his early years - he hasn't been much of a problem recently, aside from drops.

This is not really true...ALL SEASON, Freeman forced throws to Winslow, and he was often 'discussing' these issues on the sideline. I can't decide if Freeman was being honest about how close they were, or if he was trying to put an awkward situation in a good light.

Either way, most of us in Tampa Bay are glad to see the ass end of Winslow. Good luck, Seattle, I hope he works out for you...He is just a bad fit with a discipline and practice coach like Schiano.

skink: Either way, most of us in Tampa Bay are glad to see the ass end of Winslow. Good luck, Seattle, I hope he works out for you...He is just a bad fit with a discipline and practice coach like Schiano.

That makes sense to me. Why else give up a good, productive talent for nothing if he hasn't been more trouble than he's worth? Hopefully it will be a win/win. Sometimes a change of scenery works.

JohnBigBootay: Droog8912: At least he isn't Jerramy Stevens. That scumbag should DIAF.

That reminded me to go look up his rap sheet - I was wondering if he'd ever settled down. I guess not. That dude has got to have one of the all-time best rap sheets of anyone who lasted that long in the league.

Yeah, pretty clear example of talent being more important than character: assaulted a kid while in high school (his friend beat the kid with a baseball bat, too), multiple drug possessions (one with intent to sell), multiple DUIs, hit-and-run, felony assault (on a bouncer), and raping an undergrad at UW in the bushes outside a fraternity house. Winslow is a diva who acts like a jackass when he doesn't get thrown the ball but at least he isn't a PoS like Stevens was.

ihatedumbpeople: drivingsouth: [cdn.bleacherreport.net image 350x195]

Wow, he's got to be in his 50's by now. I'll never forget that game against Miami back in '81.

There was a countdown on NFL Network recently with the 'Top 10 Gutsiest Performances " or something...can' recall where that one ranked, but it was in there.

/pretty sure one of the commentators they had on said he was FoS and doing a big AW job, I don't buy that though.
//though he WAS basically the only one completely wiped out...everyone else was running around a lot too...

I've given up on those lists. They're adequate background noise, but not much more. NFLN has obviously taken Drew's lessons on lists to heart judging by that "Top 10 Heisman Winners in the NFL" list.

karmaceutical: IAmRight: KJUW89: What can I say...I don't like having problem children on my teams. He can have a great run here and I still won't like having him in a Seahawk uniform.


The actual last thing I can find is the staph infection issue, and when 7 people on the team get one, yeah, it's probably on the Browns. That's why the owner rescinded his GM's suspension of Winslow.


The Browns had an exhorbitant number of people hurt,... Staph goes hand in hand with that. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning each had staph infections too... Was that the Browns' fault?

I suppose it was the Brown's fault for that zip-line accident girl, too. They totally control what type of bacteria exists naturally in the ground, huh?

If Kate Winslet wants to go to Seattle, I say let her.

Droog8912: Yeah, pretty clear example of talent being more important than character: assaulted a kid while in high school (his friend beat the kid with a baseball bat, too), multiple drug possessions (one with intent to sell), multiple DUIs, hit-and-run, felony assault (on a bouncer), and raping an undergrad at UW in the bushes outside a fraternity house. Winslow is a diva who acts like a jackass when he doesn't get thrown the ball but at least he isn't a PoS like Stevens was.

I don't think he was convicted of the rape officially though it certainly looked like a questionable situation - sorry, pet peeve. But yeah, one can try to be forgiving of our teams' players for an incident or two but when one has a rap sheet that long over that great a length of time and they are still getting into trouble... we must conclude they are a dirtbag. My personal favorites of his are crashing his car into a nursing home and neighbor complaints about vomiting on their door.

First the GWUUUUHHHHH???? first round pick. Then the approval of those godawful embarrassing uniforms. Now trading for Kellen "I'm a soldier!!!" Winslow.

Pete. Pete. Come on man

IAmRight: He cost virtually nothing and he's an upgrade.

Actually he cost $4.8 million. Dude is overpaid AND a douche AND a red zone butterfingers

KJUW89: UCFRoadWarrior: Has his father's talent...does not have his father's heart or guts

greenbowlpacker: As a bucs fan, I am glad to see this douche go.

As a Hawks (and Huskies) fan, I am *NOT* excited about this move.

This. Both the Winslow's can go fark themselves. I hope that cock blows out a knee getting off the airplane.

"Too white" my ass.

BigJake: Actually he cost $4.8 million.

Which still leaves them plenty under the salary cap and isn't a problem at all. It's not like there are other guys that are going to contribute that they can go out and pick up anyway.

The Bucs also threw in a motorcycle, just because.

IlGreven: SigmaAlgebra: Only the Browns would have passed on Roethlisberger to get this guy.

So Ben was the #2 pick in the draft? Got it!

/Or, "yinz" could get over your Cleveland bashing ways to note that four other teams after Cleveland also passed on him, as he was a MAC QB, and MAC QBs usually turn out like Bruce Gradkowski.

Why would he mention them, they didn't draft Winslow. We are talking about Winslow here, right?

Everyone should be nice to Browns fans, they have it bad enough already.

T.rex: karmaceutical: IAmRight: KJUW89: What can I say...I don't like having problem children on my teams. He can have a great run here and I still won't like having him in a Seahawk uniform.


The actual last thing I can find is the staph infection issue, and when 7 people on the team get one, yeah, it's probably on the Browns. That's why the owner rescinded his GM's suspension of Winslow.


The Browns had an exhorbitant number of people hurt,... Staph goes hand in hand with that. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning each had staph infections too... Was that the Browns' fault?

I suppose it was the Brown's fault for that zip-line accident girl, too. They totally control what type of bacteria exists naturally in the ground, huh?

One guy on the team gets staph, it's the player's fault.

Seven guys on the team get staph, it's time to fire your medical staff.

only 11 years too late in arriving to Seattle.

Kellen Winslow Sr is permanently on my "Giant Douchebag" list.

UW was too white, but not Larry Coker.

BigJake: Pete. Pete. Come on man

I'm not a Pete believer honestly. Looks like a .500 coach to me. But I think that division is ripe for the taking if Flynn pans out. I predict you'll get over it if they make the playoffs.

JohnBigBootay: BigJake: Pete. Pete. Come on man

I'm not a Pete believer honestly. Looks like a .500 coach to me. But I think that division is ripe for the taking if Flynn pans out. I predict you'll get over it if they make the playoffs.

I like a lot of his other moves. We're WAY better positioned at QB now and the defense is fantastic. We still need a change of pace back and another WR or two and I think we can be really good.

I may have to listen to the radio for the games though because those unis are The Worst

BigJake:
I may have to listen to the radio for the games though because those unis are The Worst

What, you don't like the Rollerball look?

varmitydog: He never missed a game for the Bucs and always put up real good numbers for a tight end. But he seemed to be forever arguing with QB Josh Freeman after plays about what route was called, and last year he dropped more passes in the end zone than he caught. Dallas Clark is five years older, and coming off an injury. But it's understandable that a new coach wouldn't want to deal with a self centered prima donna like Winslow, and it's about a tossup in talent.

But Winslow might be a good fit for the Seahawks. They have not thrown much to the tight end over the past several years, but then they have not had a Matt Flynn either. If he can get anywhere near the numbers he put up in Tampa Bay it will be a huge improvement for them.

Yeah, it's sort of a chicken and egg thing in recent years with the Seahawks. They say they've wanted to throw to the tight ends, but have been forced to keep them back to block because of problems up and down the line. (Which completely squandered whatever talent John Carlson possessed, as a solid-to-good receiver but a horrendous blocker; no wonder he bolted at the first opportunity. Zach Miller is a better fit for what they've been doing.) With a little bit of health and experience up front, they might be able to get their tight ends the ball a little more.