/CSB

My wife's company is building a new clinic. Turns out it is next door to the gun range used by the local police. The construction crew started finding lots of 9mm and .40 slugs on the site. At least the cops have done the right thing for now and shut down the range. For now that is. They want to retrofit the range to contain the rounds.

/End CSB

My high school had a shooting range in the basement.

We used it mostly for rifle and archery.

It's sure put some pep into the Cross Country Team.

"You know what she said? I'm scared, Dad. And that's coming from an 8-year-old in second grade"

8 year olds are scared of a lot of irrational things.

"What are guns made of? Lead is not OK. Not an ounce of lead is OK for our kids, period,"

Uh, guns aren't made of lead.

Did they intentionally find the biggest idiots to interview for this piece?

Disciplinary tool?

I'm okay with this... The Second Amendment guarantees the right of an individual to keep and bear arms, such that a tyrannical government cannot confiscate weapons to prevent an impending revolution. It says nothing about a right to fire those arms, and of course, doing so in a revolution would be by definition treasonous and unconstitutional. There should be a limitless right to privately stockpile weapons of any sort, including weapons of mass destruction, but that does not necessarily require a right to fire said weapons.

Lead dust is a real concern. Both from leaving the gun barrel to hitting the back wall can put particles of lead into the air that can be breathed in. It can cause mental development problems.

CDC piece about student shooters with lead poisoning from indoor range

Colorado document for indoor range workers

PDF from the notorious gun grabbers called the Navy on what is needed for an indoor range and potential hazards


Exposure to lead can cause lead poisoning. Lead can affect the brain, nerves, red blood cells, kidneys and reproductive systems of both men and women. Common symptoms of acute (short-term) lead poisoning are loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, stomach cramps, constipation, difficulty sleeping, fatigue, moodiness, headache, joint or muscle aches, anemia and decreased sexual drive. Chronic (long-term) overexposure to lead may result in severe damage to the blood-forming, nervous, urinary and reproductive systems. Chronic poisoning usually occurs when small amounts of lead gradually build up in the body and result in temporary or permanent damage. An elevated blood lead level test indicates that lead is building up in the body faster than it can be eliminated.(from the Colorado site)

Zalan: Lead dust is a real concern. Both from leaving the gun barrel to hitting the back wall can put particles of lead into the air that can be breathed in. It can cause mental development problems.

CDC piece about student shooters with lead poisoning from indoor range

Colorado document for indoor range workers

PDF from the notorious gun grabbers called the Navy on what is needed for an indoor range and potential hazards


Exposure to lead can cause lead poisoning. Lead can affect the brain, nerves, red blood cells, kidneys and reproductive systems of both men and women. Common symptoms of acute (short-term) lead poisoning are loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, stomach cramps, constipation, difficulty sleeping, fatigue, moodiness, headache, joint or muscle aches, anemia and decreased sexual drive. Chronic (long-term) overexposure to lead may result in severe damage to the blood-forming, nervous, urinary and reproductive systems. Chronic poisoning usually occurs when small amounts of lead gradually build up in the body and result in temporary or permanent damage. An elevated blood lead level test indicates that lead is building up in the body faster than it can be eliminated.(from the Colorado site)

The odds that children would be exposed to enough lead to cause harm are miniscule. The range is going to be in the basement of a factory with the protection of steel, concrete, brick, and dirt around it and an air filtration system. As to your first link, that was just a school basement with a large fan. This is a safe area specifically retrofitted to be a gun range.

"The school's mottos are safe, responsible, and respect. What are we teaching them? We're not showing them safety. No respect and no responsibility -- none," another parent added.

You would be hard pressed to find people more safe, responsible, and respectful of guns with guns than frequent users of a firing range.

Naughty billboards are still considered dangerous though.

School shootings will help prepare the precious snowflakes for the office shootings they'll have to deal with later.

unlikely: My high school had a shooting range in the basement.

We used it mostly for rifle and archery.

Ours too. It wasn't uncommon to see guns in window racks in pickups in the parking lot.

How much to shoot at the kids?

"The school's mottos are safe, responsible, and respect. What are we teaching them? We're not showing them safety. No respect and no responsibility -- none," another parent added.

I can't parse what this means. "We are not showing our children respect by allowing people to use firearms nearby?"

Yes because everyone that owns a gun is a psycho killer right, subby?

OMG GUNS KILL PEOPLE! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!1111!!11!!!!1!

Maybe if more kids were taught proper gun safety and proper safety as far as things surrounding guns go, we wouldn't have irrationally afraid, stupid adults.

Then again, we have gone from a society that conquers fear to a society that lets fear rule every aspect of their lives. Got a cold? ZOMG ANTIBIOTICS. Afraid of the dark? nightlight. Afraid of failure? Change the method of teaching and rewarding people so that everyone gets treated like the special, precious snowflake that they are.

/fark off, you ass-hatted, nerf-loving PC jackholes and your insistence on letting fear rule your lives, and thus mine too.

TFA is full of the typical derp from people who know absolutely nothing about firearms.

There was a story on the local news (Chicago) about how people were trying to get a gun shop closed down because it was too close to a high school. Reporter mentioned in her story how the same high school used to have a shooting team in the 60s and how the kids kept their rifles in their lockers. Thought it was a cool and unexpected inclusion to the story.

abhorrent1: Yes because everyone that owns a gun is a psycho killer right, subby?

Hell no. It might be as low as 1%.

Why are they building a giant lead gun so close to a school and then POINTING IT AT THE SCHOOL!?!?!

/flucking idiots

Properly built, a gun range is perfectly safe.

"The school's mottos are safe, responsible, and respect. What are we teaching them? We're not showing them safety. No respect and no responsibility -- none," another parent added.

Those are the mottos of most gun ranges too. How about taking the kids on a field trip to the range and teach them how to handle a gun responsibly? A good instructor will instill safety, responsibility and respect real quick.

I don't know of a single instance of a bullet leaving and indoor range and harming someone. Apparently we should start teaching gun safety in public schools so adults don't wet themselves when they find out someone in the next county over owns a 22.

"What are guns made of? Lead is not OK. Not an ounce of lead is OK for our kids, period," Lisa Lessard, a community activist, said.

I think lead guns would be terrible. They'd deform from one use. You'd be better off using a lead gun as a club.

The range in Issaquah has a school right next to it.

Of all the times I've been there, I've only accidentally shot like, maybe two kids. Tops.

abhorrent1: Yes because everyone that owns a gun is a psycho killer right, subby?

OMG GUNS KILL PEOPLE! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!1111!!11!!!!1!

qu'est-ce que c'est?

"What are guns made of? Lead is not OK. Not an ounce of lead is OK for our kids, period," Lisa Lessard, a community activist, said.

I've become used to the number of idiots in America, but this one took me by surprise. Guns are made of lead. Right.

what an awesome set up. do you have any idea how hard it is to hit such small, fast moving targets? talk about real world applications.

/dnrtfa
//haven't yet today, why start now
///fark lite, using only submitted headlines

I am ALL for gun ownership, but i wouldn't out a range next door to a school any more than i would put a liquor store or strip club next to a school.

The school's mottos are safe, responsible, and respect

The school's mottos are either "safe, responsible, and respectful", "safety, responsibility, and respect", or I want to kill the person who came up with those mottos.

CSB: I took gun safety in 8th grade as an elective. It was pretty fun. You got to watch educational films about being a responsible hunter. You also watched "shoot or don't shoot" videos designed to keep you from being in hunting accidents. They were fun in a Where's Waldo way. Then the cops brought in guns for us to check out and practice our safety on. There was an exam on gun identification. Good times.

I suspect this double handful of protestors know their arguments are merely overwrought emotion.

What a bunch of farking idiots. My school kept guns and targets in one of the gyms. They were used for an after-school gun safety and marksmanship program. Exactly zero children were harmed.

Is it an indoor range? Then I don't see a problem with them coming across empty cartridges (not sure why that would really be bad unless the kids start sucking on them) or lead dust. The HVAC system will be sucking up the lead dust.

Now I'm wondering how close is the nearest bar. Because if we're going to do "OMG think of the children" over places where they wouldn't be allowed to enter, let's start with the ones that serve alcohol. Logically that's the location where you're more likely to see inappropriate behavior outside the building. I'm not sure how people walking in and out of a building with closed gun cases is going to scar them for life.

/Your eight year old is also afraid of getting shots.
//Where are the quotes from parents who are okay with this?

Rapmaster2000: CSB: There was an exam on gun identification. Good times.



How'd you do?

Had an indoor range under the football stadium in HS. In Long Beach, California no less. We shot .22LR.

/1989

jbuist: "You know what she said? I'm scared, Dad. And that's coming from an 8-year-old in second grade"

8 year olds are scared of a lot of irrational things.

"What are guns made of? Lead is not OK. Not an ounce of lead is OK for our kids, period,"

Uh, guns aren't made of lead.

Did they intentionally find the biggest idiots to interview for this piece?

I wish there was a shooting range next to the littlebopper's school. He could shoot his .22 there:

We had a archery / gun range about 100 yards (behind about a 30 yard thick line of firs) from the edge of the HS property in the town I grew up in. I don't recall a single child ever being shot accidentally or not (even during hunting season) for the 15 years I lived there.

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oh, bless you. forgot about that one

jaybeezey: I am ALL for gun ownership, but i wouldn't out a range next door to a school any more than i would put a liquor store or strip club next to a school.

Because the liquor could leak and flood the kids mouths?

unlikely: My high school had a shooting range in the basement.

We used it mostly for rifle and archery.

So did mine. Somehow, I managed to survive the scourge of ROTC recruits plinking bits of paper in the basement. Somehow.

Assuming that the range is built to proper safety standards, I can think of far worse things to put next to a school. The parents' fear is irrational.

My main long distance range is about one suburban block west of a large K-12 private school.

Their air rifle team shoots at our range.

They donated the new range clubhouse. Sure it's pre-fab, but it's nice pre-fab.

A picture of my 8-year-old daughter with her thoroughly peppered .22LR target is hanging in the hallway of her private school (different one) outside her classroom.

Her teachers encourage her shooting and try to get her to bring that focus back to the classroom. Her first grade teacher said she was inspired by my daughter's example to take her husband out to the range.

That's how rational people approach the concept of students and firearms.

Kyoki: Rapmaster2000: CSB: There was an exam on gun identification. Good times.

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How'd you do?

Ha. I still recall that one of the guns was seriously a bolt action pistol, which I've never seen in real life, but looks cool as hell.

You guys make fun of people for caring about kids, but if you take a moment, would you really be ok with a bunch of little kids having access to glock revolvers with high capacity clips?

We have all heard the stories of kids finding someone's assault rifle, usually owned by someone compensating by using an excessively powerful 9mm, and hurting themselves or others.

Even if you don't care about the people who are shot, what about the kid who has to live with knowing he ended someone's life?

How many of those kids will emulate what they see on TV and try to rob someone like in the video games?

The shows practically teach you all you need to know to use a glock or an ak16

I hope there are no houses near the school. People might be farking in them, and children need to be protected from farking farkers.

jaybeezey: I am ALL for gun ownership, but i wouldn't out a range next door to a school any more than i would put a liquor store or strip club next to a school.

The difference is the liquor store might have drunk people drive up to buy more alcohol and the strip club would probably have the girls out front on smoke break not bothering to cover up (strip club near work, I swear they just throw on the shortest windbreaker then can find). Still your worse problems will be at night when the school is closed and the kids are home.

The people at the gun range? They will be carrying guns in cases and shooting inside. They won't be high or drunk.

God, guns scare the shiat out of me. How can I be all progressive and stuff when white people are exercising their 2nd amendment rights?

Aeon Rising: You guys make fun of people for caring about kids, but if you take a moment, would you really be ok with a bunch of little kids having access to glock revolvers with high capacity clips?

We have all heard the stories of kids finding someone's assault rifle, usually owned by someone compensating by using an excessively powerful 9mm, and hurting themselves or others.

Even if you don't care about the people who are shot, what about the kid who has to live with knowing he ended someone's life?

How many of those kids will emulate what they see on TV and try to rob someone like in the video games?

The shows practically teach you all you need to know to use a glock or an ak16

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"What are guns made of? Lead is not OK. Not an ounce of lead is OK for our kids, period," Lisa Lessard, a community activist, said.

Idiot of the year.