There's an irony here I find quite amusing.

Spiffy Schick

here in the US, our cops beat the snot outta protesters, arrest them, and then accuse them of being terrorists.

/land of the free and home of the brave.

Sweet, these policemen are leading us to a safe, secluded camp where our struggles have the potential to truly make us free! What great guys!

Weaver95: here in the US, our cops beat the snot outta protesters, arrest them, and then accuse them of being terrorists.

/land of the free and home of the brave.

In Germany, the protesters respect the law and don't act like dicks, break shiat and causing trouble.

meh

German cops command a bit of respect. The crowd was peaceful and respected their authority to the extent the cops retaliated in kind.

Civil society and common decency; how the fark does it work?

WTF is Donald Duck doing in that photo?

9beers,In Germany, the protesters respect the law and don't act like dicks, break shiat and causing trouble.

OK, in the US do protesters "act like dicks and cause trouble"?

/Or is it that German police do not automatically have an adversial relationship with the public interest they serve?

B...but... we're the freest nation in the world!

9beers: Weaver95: here in the US, our cops beat the snot outta protesters, arrest them, and then accuse them of being terrorists.

/land of the free and home of the brave.

In Germany, the protesters respect the law and don't act like dicks, break shiat and causing trouble.

Enemabag Jones: OK, in the US do protesters "act like dicks and cause trouble"?

Yes

Any other questions?

9beersEnemabag Jones: OK, in the US do protesters "act like dicks and cause trouble"?
Yes
Any other questions?

Can you give me some examples?
/I want to know more.

BarkingUnicorn: WTF is Donald Duck doing in that photo?


Looking for a phone booth to change into his alter-ego.


/hot as an oven....

9beers: Weaver95: here in the US, our cops beat the snot outta protesters, arrest them, and then accuse them of being terrorists.

/land of the free and home of the brave.

In Germany, the protesters respect the law and don't act like dicks, break shiat and causing trouble.

Kinda this

Look at Oakland.

9beers: Weaver95: here in the US, our cops beat the snot outta protesters, arrest them, and then accuse them of being terrorists.

/land of the free and home of the brave.

In Germany, the protesters respect the law and don't act like dicks, break shiat and causing trouble.

You mean like these kids?



Sitting down. What dicks.

Enemabag Jones: 9beersEnemabag Jones: OK, in the US do protesters "act like dicks and cause trouble"?
Yes
Any other questions?

Can you give me some examples?
/I want to know more.

One guy shat on a car once. Of course this means that all of the protesters are militant hippies and all act like dicks and should be beat about the head and neck on site.

But seriously, I spent a few years in Germany once upon a time, and something I noticed is that you really never saw the police unless they were needed. As opposed to here, where you see cops everywhere, unless of course you need one. They were not the ominous, omnipresent entity that they seem to have become here in the US. They actually seemed to be there to actually serve and protect, and there wasn't a lot of hostility on either side.

So this behavior by the Polizei does not really surprise me.

Remember that dick protester in Oakland that shot that a tear gas canister directly at the cops and hit one in the head sending him to intensive care.

Jerk protesters..

Enemabag Jones: Remember that dick protester in Oakland that shot that a tear gas canister directly at the cops and hit one in the head sending him to intensive care.

Jerk protesters..

I heard it was a veteran cop too...

This proves liberals are socialist nazis. And, by extension, the real racists. Plus, Hitler cared about the environment.

This is basically what happened in Chicago during the U.N protest Friday. The people marched, when they were coming up on a busy intersection the police got ahead of them and blocked off traffic at the intersection so they could get through safely. When they stopped at the Board of Trade, the police blocked off traffic and kept everybody inline until the protestors decided to march on. Not once did the police try to stop the protest, impede it, or incite any conflict. In fact the only people that were acting like asses were the people who disagreed with the protest. They were the ones that were trying to start trouble.

Yes this is dog: 9beers: Weaver95: here in the US, our cops beat the snot outta protesters, arrest them, and then accuse them of being terrorists.

/land of the free and home of the brave.

In Germany, the protesters respect the law and don't act like dicks, break shiat and causing trouble.

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Not only that, but Americans protestors of the Stamp Act clearly and specifically promised to straight-up murder duly appointed government officers if they tried to enforce the law (plus toppled enough George III statues to constitute genocide of an - extremely small and rather Medusaized - ethnic group). In context of America, "Jump, you motherfarkers" constitutes a positively pro-Loyalist ideology. "I am going to rape Jamie Dimon's children with an electric cattle prod until they die, and then use their corpses to beat him to death" would be a tepid form of protest for our Founding Fathers. Anyone saying an American protests should be a Gandhi-esque Kumbaya party is expressly and explicitly declaring their hatred of the Founding fathers, America, and the Constituion; they are giving aid and comfort to our enemies, and should be summarily executed as the treasonous pieces of animal filth they are.

Tor_EckmanOne guy shat on a car once. Of course this means that all of the protesters are militant hippies and all act like dicks and should be beat about the head and neck on site.

While creative, it was an ineffectual protest at best.

wildcardjack: German cops command a bit of respect. The crowd was peaceful and respected their authority to the extent the cops retaliated in kind.

9beers: Weaver95: here in the US, our cops beat the snot outta protesters, arrest them, and then accuse them of being terrorists.

/land of the free and home of the brave.

In Germany, the protesters respect the law and don't act like dicks, break shiat and causing trouble. the government doesn't plant troublemakers to smear peaceful protest movements.

FTFY.

/Learn PsyOps 101

The My Little Pony Killer: Enemabag Jones: Remember that dick protester in Oakland that shot that a tear gas canister directly at the cops and hit one in the head sending him to intensive care.

Jerk protesters..

I heard it was a veteran cop too...

that veteran cop just gave half his paycheck to orphans. orphans with diseases.

Enemabag Jones: 9beersEnemabag Jones: OK, in the US do protesters "act like dicks and cause trouble"?
Yes
Any other questions?

Can you give me some examples?
/I want to know more.

Those assholes in Occupy Lexington were farking terrorists.

Smackledorfer: This proves liberals are socialist nazis. And, by extension, the real racists. Plus, Hitler cared about the environment.


-2/10

Well, the ISO has done a great job assuming the power structure of OWS in Europe.

We'll have to see if they fare as well over here where OWS people are quite a bit less educated than in the Old World.

Considering that their country is most famous for having fascist paramilitary groups in the 20th century, in the 21st they've committed to overkill in the opposite direction. This isn't about some penny ante hippy protest, it's just how German cops are these days.

Tor_Eckman: But seriously, I spent a few years in Germany once upon a time, and something I noticed is that you really never saw the police unless they were needed. As opposed to here, where you see cops everywhere, unless of course you need one. They were not the ominous, omnipresent entity that they seem to have become here in the US. They actually seemed to be there to actually serve and protect, and there wasn't a lot of hostility on either side.

So this behavior by the Polizei does not really surprise me.

I was once in a bar in Germany that had a lot of teenagers since a lot of them had recently graduated from "high school" (or the equivalent). Now this isn't that big of a deal since you can buy beer at 16 but some of them were getting a few tequila shots as well (liquor is only legal at 18), so some American tourists that were in there called the police.

The police come, assess the situation, see there are other adults keeping an eye on the kids consumption and basically say "better in an establishment than 'komasaufen' in a field somewhere without supervision", turn around and leave.

The look on the tourists' faces was priceless.

HotWingAgenda,Considering that their country is most famous for having fascist paramilitary groups in the 20th century, in the 21st they've committed to overkill in the opposite direction. This isn't about some penny ante hippy protest, it's just how German cops are these days.

Why are police that have a good relationship with the community not breaking the law or otherwise causing trouble overkill?

HotWingAgenda: Considering that their country is most famous for having fascist paramilitary groups in the 20th century, in the 21st they've committed to overkill in the opposite direction. This isn't about some penny ante hippy protest, it's just how German cops are these days.

The first time I ever played paintball I played with a German dude. His first time too. We both had a great time. I mentioned I might do it again when I got back to the states. He said "This is illegal in Germany, all military games are."

Not catching on quick enough, I asked "Why?"

A moment of silence....

"Oh!"

/ CSB

a9735z: The police come, assess the situation, see there are other adults keeping an eye on the kids consumption and basically say "better in an establishment than 'komasaufen' in a field somewhere without supervision", turn around and leave.

The look on the tourists' faces was priceless.

They protest are not always like this. This photo is from a protest in March.

And this one is from a protest in Stuttgart, they don't always fark around. The poliziei are often less violent than our american police, but when the do tell you to leave they mean business.

Rent Party: HotWingAgenda: Considering that their country is most famous for having fascist paramilitary groups in the 20th century, in the 21st they've committed to overkill in the opposite direction. This isn't about some penny ante hippy protest, it's just how German cops are these days.

The first time I ever played paintball I played with a German dude. His first time too. We both had a great time. I mentioned I might do it again when I got back to the states. He said "This is illegal in Germany, all military games are."

Not catching on quick enough, I asked "Why?"

A moment of silence....

"Oh!"

/ CSB

Except that never happened.

A paintball ban was proposed by a few idiot lawmakers after the Winnenden school shooting, but they redacted the proposal a few days later. It was just a knee-jerk reaction by lawmakers in the immediate aftermath of the massacre as people always want someone/thing to blame for tragedies like that. That is the entire extent of the "paintball ban". It was all over the news when it was proposed and redacted.

Some places have arenas have a "no military clothing/hardware" policy but it varies.

TenJed_77: a9735z: The police come, assess the situation, see there are other adults keeping an eye on the kids consumption and basically say "better in an establishment than 'komasaufen' in a field somewhere without supervision", turn around and leave.

The look on the tourists' faces was priceless.

They protest are not always like this. This photo is from a protest in March.
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And this one is from a protest in Stuttgart, they don't always fark around. The poliziei are often less violent than our american police, but when the do tell you to leave they mean business.
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Where in my entire post did I once make reference to their behavior with protestors? O_o

a9735z:

A paintball ban was proposed by a few idiot lawmakers after the Winnenden school shooting, but they redacted the proposal a few days later. It was just a knee-jerk reaction by lawmakers in the immediate aftermath of the massacre as people always want someone/thing to blame for tragedies like that. That is the entire extent of the "paintball ban". It was all over the news when it was proposed and redacted.


This would have been right around end of 2009, early 2010, and the google tells me that the timing of your proposed laws was right about then. So that's probably what it was.

a9735z: the tourists' faces was priceless.

They protest are not always like this. This photo is from a protest in March.
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And this one is from a protest in Stuttgart, they don't always fark around. The poliziei are often less violent than our american police, but when the do tell you to leave they mean business.
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You were following this statement:
So this behavior by the Polizei does not really surprise me.
I was just making the comment that they are not always as in you "csb".
/and I don't know where you post went
//all I did was press quote type some words and add the images
///i've noticed that this happens fairly often

My son has been with Occupy LA since the beginning of their encampment at City Hall. He just got back from Chicago today.

I attended the first General Assembly after they were rousted and the park was closed. The cops were out in force to watch them sit on the City Hall steps and talk. Some of the Occupiers were clearly agitated by this, and acted aggressively (yelling at the cops, having to be dragged away by friends before they got themselves in more trouble). I won't attend another because I don't want to get lumped in with jackasses like that.

I've watched plenty of video of LA's Occupiers acting like total douche-bags. At the Kamala Harris public meeting in February, one guy kept yanking on the doors to the employee entrance, then running away, grinning like a little kid. At a later event (not remembering specifics right now) one guy jumped a fence just for the fark of it, then the crowd turned on the cops who had to go chase him out of a clearly restricted area. Another guy followed a cop and was doing a weird hopping dance in an effort to harass/mock the cops.

In Chicago, protesters attacked the cops, hitting one cop (who had lost his helmet) on the head with a picket, breaking it.

Too often, Occupiers act like little kids throwing fits. It's really frustrating to me, because I know that others within the movement are sincere about their commitment to non-violence, but will not be taken seriously because the idiots will always be focused on in reporting.

I'm not sure what my point is, as I've had a long day, but I think it has something to do with "it's not just the cops." I will say, though, that the LAPD did a masterful job of hiding how farking evil they were, and are, throughout the Occupation of City Hall.

I'm going to sleep now. Sorry to drop this in without citations, and then run away.

Weaver95
here in the US, our cops beat the snot outta protesters, arrest them, and then accuse them of being terrorists.

Oh, they do that here, too.
But that part was hidden in the last paragraphs of the article about "clearing the camp" earlier.

/ and all the shiat they pulled for that G8 thingee by the seaside a few years ago..one German state's secretary for the interior's (i.e. head of law enforcement for that state) awesome circular logic for abusing the anti-terror laws to disrupt some leftie group's G8 protest preparation&coordination by raiding the group's office and seizing their computers&stuff: "Raiding them under anti-terror laws was totally justified. Those guys were clearly terror suspects. They had to be. Because otherwise we wouldn't have been allowed to raid them. QED."
// sometimes I would like the USA's justice system with its insane damage amounts people are suing for and also its "fruit of the poisonous tree" laws; because if the German law enforcement oversteps their bounds, the consequences are basically..nothing at alll

Rent Party: a9735z:

A paintball ban was proposed by a few idiot lawmakers after the Winnenden school shooting, but they redacted the proposal a few days later. It was just a knee-jerk reaction by lawmakers in the immediate aftermath of the massacre as people always want someone/thing to blame for tragedies like that. That is the entire extent of the "paintball ban". It was all over the news when it was proposed and redacted.


This would have been right around end of 2009, early 2010, and the google tells me that the timing of your proposed laws was right about then. So that's probably what it was.

Ah ok. Sorry, I just hear a lot of "a friend's sister's brother's uncle who met a German person once said that on Thursdays everyone is only permitted to turn left from the hours of 9 to 10" and other ridiculous stories.

TenJed_77: You were following this statement:
So this behavior by the Polizei does not really surprise me.
I was just making the comment that they are not always as in you "csb".
/and I don't know where you post went
//all I did was press quote type some words and add the images
///i've noticed that this happens fairly often

Ahh ok. I thought you were saying I was trying to say the police are all unicorns and fairy farts here. Definitely not the case.

Although in my experience living in both the US and Germany, the "police are generally not seen unless they are needed in Germany" rings pretty true. There are asshole cops in every country though, and their interactions with the anti-nuclear power crowds tend to get pretty rough (although those idiots do shiat like try to tear up sections of railroad to stop the trains).

Good for them for marching in solidarity with the rest of Europe even though the austerity programs are not affecting them personally.

a9735z: Although in my experience living in both the US and Germany, the "police are generally not seen unless they are needed in Germany" rings pretty true. There are asshole cops in every country though, and their interactions with the anti-nuclear power crowds tend to get pretty rough (although those idiots do shiat like try to tear up sections of railroad to stop the trains).

Cops in europe in general are just more relaxed because theyre not as worried about people being armed and shooting them at traffic stops like they are in the US. Also, for whatever reason one may care to throw out as an hypothesis, US cops generally speaking tend to be more militant and aggressive minded individuals in general. Lots of ex military, lots of vets. Most german cops that ive met and come into contact with are waaaaay more chill; theyre a lot closer to "average civilians" than the US cops, many of whom see the world in terms of "cops and perps and nothing in between" or "good guys and bad guys".

The bereitschaftspolizei units and the BGS (federal border police) contain guys cut from the same cloth as US cops, the BGS are scary like US cops are scary (for the same reason, theyre partially militarized). But your average german cop is just an official, and to me at any rate very unthreatening.

red5ish: Good for them for marching in solidarity with the rest of Europe even though the austerity programs are not affecting them personally.

Because Germans didn't turn tax-dodging into the national sport or collude with Goldman Sachs to fudge their numbers in order to gain entry into the EU?

a9735z: Rent Party: a9735z:



This would have been right around end of 2009, early 2010, and the google tells me that the timing of your proposed laws was right about then. So that's probably what it was.

Ah ok. Sorry, I just hear a lot of "a friend's sister's brother's uncle who met a German person once said that on Thursdays everyone is only permitted to turn left from the hours of 9 to 10" and other ridiculous stories.


No troubles. The company I work for employs more Europeans than Americans (what with it being a European company and all), so I spend a lot of time over there. That particular German gentleman was out of the Frankfurt office. That particular paintball session was in the Wicklow mountains outside of Dublin. Best part: A Guarda van rolls up, and four cops pop out. They have a case of beer on the front seat, and are getting ready to play.

I have pictures, somewhere. :)

red5ish: Good for them for marching in solidarity with the rest of Europe even though the austerity programs are not affecting them personally.

maybe because the german state is well run, they actually make things there, pay their taxes, keep their books honest and are successful, and arent out doing the national equivalent of spending borrowed money on hookers and blow?

Rent Party: a9735z: Rent Party: a9735z:



This would have been right around end of 2009, early 2010, and the google tells me that the timing of your proposed laws was right about then. So that's probably what it was.

Ah ok. Sorry, I just hear a lot of "a friend's sister's brother's uncle who met a German person once said that on Thursdays everyone is only permitted to turn left from the hours of 9 to 10" and other ridiculous stories.


No troubles. The company I work for employs more Europeans than Americans (what with it being a European company and all), so I spend a lot of time over there. That particular German gentleman was out of the Frankfurt office. That particular paintball session was in the Wicklow mountains outside of Dublin. Best part: A Guarda van rolls up, and four cops pop out. They have a case of beer on the front seat, and are getting ready to play.

I have pictures, somewhere. :)

you were up near sally gap werent you. best play in IE to get rid of a body.

its so weird that you can be literally 20 minutes away from a capital city and there is absolutely zero sign of humans ever having been there except for the road

Father_Jack: US cops generally speaking tend to be more militant and aggressive minded individuals in general. Lots of ex military, lots of vets.

Considering we still had conscription up until this year (although lots of people did alternative civilian service), there are quite a few former military in our police. But I get what you mean with it being more prevalent in the U.S. since it's a good career choice for returning Iraq vets.

Father_Jack: Most german cops that ive met and come into contact with are waaaaay more chill; theyre a lot closer to "average civilians" than the US cops, many of whom see the world in terms of "cops and perps and nothing in between" or "good guys and bad guys".

A lot of it has to do with imprisonment policies. For instance pretty much anywhere in Germany if you get caught with say.....3-5 grams of pot, they'll either confiscate it or make you pay a fine/do a free drug counseling course. I seem to read a lot of horror stories on Fark (the accuracy of which I cannot verify) of people winding up in actual jail/prison for having joints on them. Not kilos of weed, but just 4-5 joints. German police are extremely quick to react with serious crimes though. They just generally (and I say generally bc there are obvious exceptions) leave the piddly crap (a joint or a 17 year old taking a tequila shot in a bar) alone because the paperwork is huge and there's no discernible benefit to making a mountain out of a molehill.

Father_Jack: The bereitschaftspolizei units and the BGS (federal border police) contain guys cut from the same cloth as US cops, the BGS are scary like US cops are scary (for the same reason, theyre partially militarized). But your average german cop is just an official, and to me at any rate very unthreatening.

Yea the border police are serious but a part of it is because Germany is basically a hub for a LOT of illegal transport (human trafficking, hard drugs, stolen merchandise), due to both our geographic location withing Europe but also because of our Turkish/Eastern European gang presence. It also depends on which border they are on in terms of how big of assholes they are.

Also, they're called BPOL now (Bundespolizei). It's kind of a "Homeland Security" thing (in name only) where other agencies are kind of rolled in, with the Border Police (Grenzpolizei) being a part of them. BPOL covers a lot more than just border security though, and I think Wiki has a good description of it on the English verison.

/inadvertently Hitlerjacked this thread while drinking my coffee, sorry

Father_Jack:
its so weird that you can be literally 20 minutes away from a capital city and there is absolutely zero sign of humans ever having been there except for the road

And the sheep. Lota sheep....

The roads terrify me there. My wife is Irish, so I spend a particularly large amount of time with the Hibernians. I won't drive there, as the damn lines in the "road" make no sense to any sensible person, and they're only a lane and a half wide. She doesn't drive over here because six lane highways scare her.

So it works out.