Props to subby for most boring article of the day.
/snore

They really need to click the little bulldozer icon and drag it across the map.

subby is illiterate. article says lights off where there are NO residents

brewswane: subby is illiterate. article says lights off where there are NO residents

Untrue. The "distressed" areas are underpopulated but not unpopulated. To believe they are targeting areas of a sq. mile or more that are less than 20% inhabited.

I do think they need to find a way to clear out those areas so they can be razed and repurposed but turning out the lights is an extremely dangerous way to do it. These areas may as well have "Illegal Activities Welcome Here" signs on them.

On second thought, maybe that's the answer to Detroit's problems. Maybe they can set up street vendors and charge admission to these areas. Want to experience lawlessness? Want the thrill of killing a bum? Perhaps a little sex tourism, or the simple excitement of knowing your death may be around any corner? Come to Detroit! Only $25 per person (kids die free)!

with the sun blocker in place we'll be forced to use more electricity

Streetlights just give the hoods a light to see by as the break into your car.
/ lives in BFE Arkansas
//loves the starlight lit valley

ryarger: I do think they need to find a way to clear out those areas so they can be razed and repurposed but turning out the lights is an extremely dangerous way to do it. These areas may as well have "Illegal Activities Welcome Here" signs on them.

This This This.

Flint did it. Frankly, Agriculture may be the best use of this vacant land.

rubi_con_man: ryarger: I do think they need to find a way to clear out those areas so they can be razed and repurposed but turning out the lights is an extremely dangerous way to do it. These areas may as well have "Illegal Activities Welcome Here" signs on them.

This This This.

Flint did it. Frankly, Agriculture may be the best use of this vacant land.

hantzfarmsdetroit.com

brewswane: subby is illiterate. article says lights off where there are NO residents

It also says 40% of them are already broken anyway. So what is another 10%??

/Detroiters are afraid of the dark
//Babies.

So is the city going to offer to help these 700,000 residents and businesses relocate to areas that will continue to receive services? I assume most of them are homeowners and have been paying taxes. What are they supposed to do? Not leave the house after 8 PM?

I wonder what the cost will be to replace the copper in all those lights after they're stripped. So much for savings.

Just remove every other street and make the lots twice as big. Instant luxury lots.

Does this mean no more UFO sightings in Detroit?

...or maybe just 50% fewer UFO sightings.

I'm thinking it's the second from last guy out the door. The last one will turn off the rest of the lights.

rubi_con_man: ryarger: I do think they need to find a way to clear out those areas so they can be razed and repurposed but turning out the lights is an extremely dangerous way to do it. These areas may as well have "Illegal Activities Welcome Here" signs on them.

This This This.

Flint did it. Frankly, Agriculture may be the best use of this vacant land.

But did you know they left many of the neighborhoods to do their own "watch"? And if the neighbors aren't watching your stuff, you can expect a little visit from the lower life forms. So says a friend that lives there, and is on one of those neighborhood watch teams.

ghare: rubi_con_man: ryarger: I do think they need to find a way to clear out those areas so they can be razed and repurposed but turning out the lights is an extremely dangerous way to do it. These areas may as well have "Illegal Activities Welcome Here" signs on them.

This This This.

Flint did it. Frankly, Agriculture may be the best use of this vacant land.

hantzfarmsdetroit.com

That is the story of Detroit right there. The key words are in the site title and home page: "planned" and "about to be".

Too much planning and not enough doing.

Eligarf: brewswane: subby is illiterate. article says lights off where there are NO residents

It also says 40% of them are already broken anyway. So what is another 10%??

/Detroiters are afraid of the dark
//Babies.

Personal experience, The dark is afraid of Detoiters.

When did America become a third world country?

ryarger: Want to experience lawlessness?

I don't want to experience total lawlessness...if someone busts a deal, then they need to face the wheel

phrawgh: They really need to click the little bulldozer icon and drag it across the map.

I like clicking the tornado button myself.

gaslight: When did America become a third world country?

America? Isn't, not yet. Detroit? Sometime in the mid '70s, I believe.

gaslight: When did America become a third world country?

When the politicians and corporate leaders became more corrupt then the civilian bad guys.

ryarger: Want the thrill of killing a bum? Perhaps a little sex tourism, or the simple excitement of knowing your death may be around any corner? Come to Detroit! Only $25 per person (kids die free)!





You could call it, MotownWorld.

It's an amazing look at the devolution of a metropolitan city.

Detroit

Mute dumb testimony to the power to destroy that are Unions, Democrat-controlled oligarchies and politically correct thugocracy local government saturated with patronage and jingoism.

TomD9938: ryarger: Want the thrill of killing a bum? Perhaps a little sex tourism, or the simple excitement of knowing your death may be around any corner? Come to Detroit! Only $25 per person (kids die free)!



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You could call it, MotownWorld.

i call it MacWorld

Cant we just turn the city into a giant set for the running man and be done with it

I'm visiting family in Detroit this week so I'm getting a kick etc. Looks like I won't be showing mrs. detroitdoesntsuckthatbad around the city after dark.

/got nuthin, it's stupid to maintain infrastructure in areas that contain no people

lights go dark, crime rate goes up, you can't explain that.

ryarger: I do think they need to find a way to clear out those areas so they can be razed and repurposed but turning out the lights is an extremely dangerous way to do it. These areas may as well have "Illegal Activities Welcome Here" signs on them.

That's the point. They can look the other way on most of it, and the people living there will eventually be willing to give up their house. At that point they can figure out if they just leave it as a big park or rebuild those areas eventually.

If there's nothing there but open space there's not much the police or firefighters need to protect.

Detroit city! Will the last one out please turn off the lights.

To the guy that sad "blacks ruin everything", NO this is what happens when technology advances. Detroit was built on the steel industry, or more accurately, turning steel into consumer goods. Everything is plastic now, and where steel beennfits forom being VERY close to the fuel source used in the blast furnace because both things are very heavy, making cheap crap out of platiuc means manufacturing doesn't need a central hub any longer.

Since Detroit was that central hub, now what? Dissolve the city charter.

Break it into compnoent neighborhoods -don't let ANY of them claim the name Detroit - and let each new township do for itself. Some places will do well, some will shut down for good. The Detroit city government that exists is a bad enough parasite that if not itself done away with it will kill the host. A certain balance was achieved when it was still the Motor City, but it ain't been that way for a while, and has not been allowed to balance itself back out again becaus ethe government refuses to acknowlege itself to be the entire problem.

Eligarf: /Detroiters are afraid of the dark
//Babies.

No, Detroiters are afraid of what happens in the dark. Our own prosecutor just said that crime is up and people have stopped reporting it because it doesn't help. Calling 911 just gets you told to stop tying up 911 and go file a report if you live through whatever event you're calling about.
Honestly, I already do a lot of accidentally almost running over black men dressed in black at night. And that's just people walking along in the decent areas where I tend to do most of my business. Do you really think there are going to be witness able to see anything that happens late at night when there isn't a street light on for a half mile or so? Tsisnajini help the criminals if they're up to no good and try to sneak up and rob me - it hasn't gone well for the last few. Although the law of averages suggests that my turn should be coming up any time now :(

Rozotorical: Personal experience, The dark is afraid of Detoiters.

Awesome.

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: I'm visiting family in Detroit this week so I'm getting a kick etc. Looks like I won't be showing mrs. detroitdoesntsuckthatbad around the city after dark.

Welcome home! Wait, I just had a friend come back in to town very last night with her husband, but she's from here and probably shouldn't need to be shown around... You're not them, are you?

I am guessing they will just turn off the half that works.

Detroit still does have industry and reason to exist, however I do agree at a smaller scale. City officials are just really trying to show how mean they can be by forcing people to relocate at their own expense. If city officials want people to see the value of Detroit than they need to value their people.

Colorado Springs turned off streetlights 2 years ago - we survived, and they could keep half off as far as I'm concerned.

wildlifer: Streetlights just give the hoods a light to see by as the break into your car.
/ lives in BFE Arkansas
//loves the starlight lit valley

This is an excellent point. TFA quotes people spouting unproven assumptions. Are the lights a help or a hindrance to lawbreakers? If you want to do something, it helps to be able to see. If you can't see, isn't that a deterrent? To everyone? Out in the rural areas (where we happen to live) yard "security" lights were sold as a way for utilities to dump their excess nighttime electricity. But how "secure" do they make things? Out here, anyone coming on the property is unlikely to be familiar with the place, or where things are. The light just makes all that easier to see. Answer: discontinue the security light, and enable new hobbies, like astronomy. As far as we're concerned, we've lived here a very long time, and getting around in the dark is no problem at all.

ryarger: brewswane: subby is illiterate. article says lights off where there are NO residents

Untrue. The "distressed" areas are underpopulated but not unpopulated. To believe they are targeting areas of a sq. mile or more that are less than 20% inhabited.

I do think they need to find a way to clear out those areas so they can be razed and repurposed but turning out the lights is an extremely dangerous way to do it. These areas may as well have "Illegal Activities Welcome Here" signs on them.

On second thought, maybe that's the answer to Detroit's problems. Maybe they can set up street vendors and charge admission to these areas. Want to experience lawlessness? Want the thrill of killing a bum? Perhaps a little sex tourism, or the simple excitement of knowing your death may be around any corner? Come to Detroit! Only $25 per person (kids die free)!

If an area is populated under a certain amount, its taxes no longer support providing a full array of services. And street lights don't mean crap if there's gangs roaming around. The gangs just knock out the lights faster than they can be repaired. You need sufficient community support to keep the lights functioning, which brings us back to population again.

Bottom line, if the residents don't like it, they should move to an area with more population. There's probably no work where they're living anyway, so they're mostly living off the dole and it doesn't really make a difference if they have to move.

ThatGuyOverThere: Eligarf: /Detroiters are afraid of the dark
//Babies.

No, Detroiters are afraid of what happens in the dark. Our own prosecutor just said that crime is up and people have stopped reporting it because it doesn't help. Calling 911 just gets you told to stop tying up 911 and go file a report if you live through whatever event you're calling about.
Honestly, I already do a lot of accidentally almost running over black men dressed in black at night. And that's just people walking along in the decent areas where I tend to do most of my business. Do you really think there are going to be witness able to see anything that happens late at night when there isn't a street light on for a half mile or so? Tsisnajini help the criminals if they're up to no good and try to sneak up and rob me - it hasn't gone well for the last few. Although the law of averages suggests that my turn should be coming up any time now :(

Rozotorical: Personal experience, The dark is afraid of Detoiters.

Awesome.

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: I'm visiting family in Detroit this week so I'm getting a kick etc. Looks like I won't be showing mrs. detroitdoesntsuckthatbad around the city after dark.

Welcome home! Wait, I just had a friend come back in to town very last night with her husband, but she's from here and probably shouldn't need to be shown around... You're not them, are you?

I don't think so - I'm the one from here (GPF) and she's from Raleigh. But if you see a Portland Timbers hat around town this week it'll probably be us. I'll buy you a beer.