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   Virginia Tech is in the process of being blanketed by a centralized system of 2,500 security cameras. Don't you feel safer just thinking about it?

30 May 2012 09:28 AM   |   2046 clicks   |   Washington Post
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A Terrible Human     
I've already seen this episode of Regular Show. It ends with a giant eye monster being blinded by a laser pointer.

30 May 2012 06:27 AM
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serial_crusher    [TotalFark]  
Law and policy restrict the areas where the cameras can be used, and with tighter controls and a centralized system, privacy will be better protected, Foust said.

The cameras may be placed only in areas where the public has no reasonable expectation of privacy, including parking garages and lots, sidewalks and other public areas.

There are many places where cameras may not be placed, including the hallways inside dormitories, which are considered residences, Foust said.


Oh no, it's just like 1983 all over again!

30 May 2012 07:53 AM
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strapp3r     
only a matter of time before i get busted for a public whizz

30 May 2012 09:39 AM
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Mentalpatient87     
Good, this way we'll have some decent footage of the next mass shooting.

/ not like it's going to prevent anything

30 May 2012 09:39 AM
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fireclown     
I guess the video of the next shooting spree will be gorgeous.

30 May 2012 09:39 AM
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Nick Nostril     
So, the next massacre will be televised? PPV?

/ sorry, but this wouldn't make me feel any safer

30 May 2012 09:39 AM
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Jarhead_h     
Okay, so now when they have another massacre they can document every minute of it while the police remain outside and wait for the gunman to run out of ammo or commit suicide?

30 May 2012 09:39 AM
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derpdeederp     
So where am I suppose to smoke my weed between classes now?

30 May 2012 09:40 AM
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Snort     
I look forward to footage of some attack showing up on the net.

Not that the cameras will prevent it or someone will see it in real time to stop it. It will just record it and they will find it.

Well look at that, I guess he did rape her in the hallway.

30 May 2012 09:40 AM
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Dave and the Mission    [TotalFark]  
If we could change the laws so these cameras could legally carry handguns, mayby they could spring into action when something is afoot.

30 May 2012 09:41 AM
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Dimensio     
Mentalpatient87: Good, this way we'll have some decent footage of the next mass shooting.

/ not like it's going to prevent anything


The educational institute has already infallibly prevented any future "mass shooting" by prohibiting the possession of firearms by civilians on campus.

30 May 2012 09:42 AM
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Emperor_Tod     
And since university policy maintains police have control over any surveillance cameras, this must all be for...

historc.files.wordpress.com

30 May 2012 09:43 AM
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stealthd     
serial_crusher: Law and policy restrict the areas where the cameras can be used, and with tighter controls and a centralized system, privacy will be better protected, Foust said.

The cameras may be placed only in areas where the public has no reasonable expectation of privacy, including parking garages and lots, sidewalks and other public areas.

There are many places where cameras may not be placed, including the hallways inside dormitories, which are considered residences, Foust said.

Oh no, it's just like 1983 all over again!


Good thing this would have stopped the shootings, which started... in residence...

More likely than not a salesman visited and gave a hard sell. If you were VT's risk manager, you would be so vulnerable to 'if you care about safety, then you should buy this' that I can understand how a system like this gets purchased.

I wonder if they're getting more staff to watch the cameras.

30 May 2012 09:43 AM
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Wellon Dowd     
The cameras may be placed only in areas where the public has no reasonable expectation of privacy, including parking garages and lots, sidewalks and other public areas.

This has the advantage of keeping anyone from protesting but still acclimatizing us to video surveillance. Once we accept this, they will claim we don't expect privacy anywhere as proven by the fact that we don't complain about being watched constantly outside.

30 May 2012 09:43 AM
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dittybopper    [TotalFark]  
Dave and the Mission: If we could change the laws so these cameras could legally carry handguns, mayby they could spring into action when something is afoot.

What if something is at hand instead?

30 May 2012 09:43 AM
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Wangiss     
Girls Gone Wild: No Reasonable Expectation Of Privacy Edition

30 May 2012 09:43 AM
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Posh Naranek     
Dave and the Mission: If we could change the laws so these cameras could legally carry handguns, mayby they could spring into action when something is afoot.

You have exactly 16 seconds to stop mocking the NRA.
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30 May 2012 09:44 AM
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lenfromak    [TotalFark]  
Why don't they simply let the students carry their own firearms?

30 May 2012 09:45 AM
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badhatharry    [TotalFark]  
serial_crusher: Law and policy restrict the areas where the cameras can be used, and with tighter controls and a centralized system, privacy will be better protected, Foust said.

The cameras may be placed only in areas where the public has no reasonable expectation of privacy, including parking garages and lots, sidewalks and other public areas.

There are many places where cameras may not be placed, including the hallways inside dormitories, which are considered residences, Foust said.

Oh no, it's just like 1983 all over again!


Yep. It's only a matter of time before dangerous crime is being committed beyond the cameras view. The dangerous criminals will attempt to evade the cameras. We will have to put cameras everywhere. To keep us safe.

30 May 2012 09:46 AM
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insano     
I'm sure this will be used to deter violent crimes and not to bust underage drinkers/pot smokers. ;)

30 May 2012 09:46 AM
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HotWingConspiracy     
Dimensio: Mentalpatient87: Good, this way we'll have some decent footage of the next mass shooting.

/ not like it's going to prevent anything

The educational institute has already infallibly prevented any future "mass shooting" by prohibiting the possession of firearms by civilians on campus.


Too true. Mass shootings never happen in places where civilians carry firearms.

30 May 2012 09:47 AM
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pag1107    [TotalFark]  
insano: I'm sure this will be used to deter violent crimes and not to bust underage drinkers/pot smokers. ;)

Or peep in the coeds windows, not at all.

30 May 2012 09:47 AM
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Alonjar     
Just the other day I was going to go on a homicidal shooting spree/suicide mission, but when I realized I might be caught on camera, I changed my mind. The system works!

30 May 2012 09:49 AM
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king_nacho    [TotalFark]  
You can't prevent nutcases from being nutcases, but you could potentially direct first responders to the area faster and with better accuracy. You could also quickly identify a false alarm.

I think if the camera's are in public places, then the feeds should be made public and streamed live to the world, or maybe charge $5.00 a month for administrative overhead. See how many people would want to watch them.

30 May 2012 09:52 AM
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imontheinternet    [TotalFark]  
I was a transfer student in London many moons ago. I never fully got used to the idea of being on camera all the time. Constant surveillance is 1984, police state garbage, and there's no place for it in a civilized society.

CSB: I was out walking around on a cloudy day without an umbrella (stupid, I know), and it started to rain. I was blocks away from my destination, so I knew I would get drenched. I walked by a hotel that had a full umbrella stand. I'm not a thief, and I never would have stolen some guy's umbrella, but in that moment when I was tempted, the first thing I thought of was the cameras watching me. Though I knew I would have made the correct moral decision, I didn't really have an option. It was like a cop was standing over my shoulder, watching every move. Very unsettling. /CSB

30 May 2012 09:54 AM
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Pro Zack     
"You never stop trying to make the campus safer," university spokesman Mark Owczarski said.

I.... I don't?

30 May 2012 09:56 AM
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Hoarf     
I'll feel better when they finally upload all the cameras with SCORPION STARE.

30 May 2012 09:57 AM
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Gumaraid     
Now they will have a nice video of the next rampage to put on the six o'clock news.

30 May 2012 09:57 AM
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dennerman     
As a parent who will be sending a daughter off to college in the next couple years, I'm OK with this. No, I don't like the idea of a constantly monitored police state, but this isn't a public sidewalk in the city, this is at a college campus that has to be able to ensure safety for thousands of young adults. Cameras are a great deterrent to crime, abduction, etc.. As long as they're used in the public spaces, I don't really see an issue here.

30 May 2012 09:59 AM
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The Irresponsible Captain     
images.wikia.com

It certainly doesn't work in England.

30 May 2012 10:02 AM
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Easy Reader     
The TruTV editors will finally get the coverage they've always needed.

30 May 2012 10:02 AM
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dittybopper    [TotalFark]  
A Terrible Human: I've already seen this episode of Regular Show. It ends with a giant eye monster being blinded by a laser pointer.

Actually, that was Johnny Sokko and his Flying Robot that defeated the giant eye:

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30 May 2012 10:04 AM
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Bit'O'Gristle     
Jarhead_h: Okay, so now when they have another massacre they can document every minute of it while the police remain outside and wait for the gunman to run out of ammo or commit suicide?

/Came here to say this. shakes tiny fist

30 May 2012 10:06 AM
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InfrasonicTom     
Yes, we all know how well this is going to stop any further coo coo for cocoa puff types.

30 May 2012 10:07 AM
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dittybopper    [TotalFark]  
dennerman: As a parent who will be sending a daughter off to college in the next couple years, I'm OK with this. No, I don't like the idea of a constantly monitored police state, but this isn't a public sidewalk in the city, this is at a college campus that has to be able to ensure safety for thousands of young adults. Cameras are a great deterrent to crime, abduction, etc.. As long as they're used in the public spaces, I don't really see an issue here.

Because you are conditioning the future voters to be used to a surveillance state. If they've been watched all their lives, why should they care about more cameras?

When 1984 comes to pass, it will be "to protect the children".

30 May 2012 10:07 AM
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stevarooni    [TotalFark]  
king_nacho: You can't prevent nutcases from being nutcases, but you could potentially direct first responders to the area faster and with better accuracy. You could also quickly identify a false alarm.

Both directing first-responders and preventing false alarms could also be addressed by training campus personnel (including teachers), limited camera installation...lots of things to do that don't involve making the campus seem like a fishbowl for intrusive cameras.

30 May 2012 10:08 AM
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StupidFly     
Funding provided by Liveleak?

30 May 2012 10:08 AM
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wildcardjack     
And who, exactly, is watching these 2500 cameras?

You don't actually need to wire up all the cameras. If 90% of the cameras are fake you'll get the same results.

Crazy eyed gunmen are a security salesman's best friend.

30 May 2012 10:09 AM
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snocone    [TotalFark]  
In other news, job opening for a geek that can surf 2,500 channel feed.

This is so stupid.

30 May 2012 10:10 AM
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Crudbucket     
dennerman: As a parent who will be sending a daughter off to college in the next couple years, I'm OK with this. No, I don't like the idea of a constantly monitored police state, but this isn't a public sidewalk in the city, this is at a college campus that has to be able to ensure safety for thousands of young adults. Cameras are a great deterrent to crime, abduction, etc.. As long as they're used in the public spaces, I don't really see an issue here.

Learn to let go.

30 May 2012 10:11 AM
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Klom Dark     
"...a college campus that has to be able to ensure safety..."

How'd we get tricked as a society into this boogeyman of 'ensuring' safety? Nothing is risk free, and nobody can ensure that. I could see "insuring" safety, but ensuring? Impossile.

30 May 2012 10:12 AM
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insano     
dennerman: As a parent who will be sending a daughter off to college in the next couple years, I'm OK with this. No, I don't like the idea of a constantly monitored police state, but this isn't a public sidewalk in the city, this is at a college campus that has to be able to ensure safety for thousands of young adults. Cameras are a great deterrent to crime, abduction, etc.. As long as they're used in the public spaces, I don't really see an issue here.

Well apart from the obvious contradiction here, you are assuming that these cameras actually deter crime. Furthermore, these cameras are extremely costly (~1 million) with little proven benefit. Also let's not forget that one of the fundamental issues with the Vtech massacre was poor linkage with mental health systems and lack of mental health care. The gunman was clearly having problems long before the shootings. Might the 1 million be better spent on improving screening for mental health disorder and improving treatment for those who have mental disorder? That would help keep your snowflake safer without intruding on the privacy of thousands of others.

30 May 2012 10:12 AM
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monoski     
Klom Dark: "...a college campus that has to be able to ensure safety..."

How'd we get tricked as a society into this boogeyman of 'ensuring' safety? Nothing is risk free, and nobody can ensure that. I could see "insuring" safety, but ensuring? Impossile.


Not to mention we need to ensure that safety without denying anyone the right to buy a gun...

30 May 2012 10:14 AM
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pueblonative     
And I'm sure those are going to be manned by professional, well-paid people and not the security guard working a 14-hour shift looking for a bit of shuteye.

30 May 2012 10:15 AM
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jfarkinB     
This juicy contract aside, cameras are getting smaller, cheaper, and more ubiquitous with every passing minute. Being out in a public, developed space already means you're putting on a public, and potentially recorded, performance.

I don't have great confidence in the ethics and reliability of officials paid to manage and monitor camera systems like this. But I'm worried a lot more about the 35,000 students with Facebook accounts and easy access to $20 "spy pen camcorders".

30 May 2012 10:17 AM
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Ken VeryBigLiar     
stealthd: More likely than not a salesman visited and gave a hard sell. If you were VT's risk manager, you would be so vulnerable to 'if you care about safety, then you should buy this' that I can understand how a system like this gets purchased.

Not even; try the flood of wrongful death suits. Their funding might be deep but at say $6-8MM/victim, you can get into the area where the adminstration screams for more of anything.

30 May 2012 10:17 AM
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king_nacho    [TotalFark]  
stevarooni: king_nacho: You can't prevent nutcases from being nutcases, but you could potentially direct first responders to the area faster and with better accuracy. You could also quickly identify a false alarm.

Both directing first-responders and preventing false alarms could also be addressed by training campus personnel (including teachers), limited camera installation...lots of things to do that don't involve making the campus seem like a fishbowl for intrusive cameras.


Sure, you could, but if you use the word "training" with Faculty they won't show up, you have disguise it as faculty development, but you still won't get them there in most cases

30 May 2012 10:19 AM
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UDel_Kitty     
dennerman: As a parent who will be sending a daughter off to college in the next couple years, I'm OK with this. No, I don't like the idea of a constantly monitored police state, but this isn't a public sidewalk in the city, this is at a college campus that has to be able to ensure safety for thousands of young adults. Cameras are a great deterrent to crime, abduction, etc.. As long as they're used in the public spaces, I don't really see an issue here.

The most tragic crime that happened when I was in college occurred in an off-campus apartment. A local goon broke in, raped the girl living there, killed her, then set fire to the place. My school could have had all the cameras it wanted on campus, and it wouldn't have prevented that from happening. Should all of a college town be wired for cameras?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the majority of regular, serious crimes occur off campus rather than on. VT is putting on a show, but I doubt the cameras will really deter crime. If anything, it'll shift more of it off campus.

30 May 2012 10:20 AM
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Joelogon    [TotalFark]  
Hoarf: I'll feel better when they finally upload all the cameras with SCORPION STARE.

What's the status of CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN? We're behind the original schedule.

/stubmitter

30 May 2012 10:24 AM
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Joe Blowme     
So, how is this going to stop a gunman again?

30 May 2012 10:28 AM
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