No surprise. Russia makes a lot of money selling weaponry to Syria.

Maybe this is another opportunity for Seal Team 6.

/dealing with the power vacuum would be a biatch, though
//hate saying Russia may be right
///would LIKE to see Russia come up with a better idea, though

This may be an opportunity for the Arab League to do something on its own, too. No US intervention, then

/or, at least, minimal

I kept trying to point this out in a thread over the weekend about intervention

/no one seemed to want to acknowledge the issue

Authoritarian regime stops the rest of the world from stopping writing a mean letter to authoritarian regime

FFA

xanadian: This may be an opportunity for the Arab League to do something on its own, too. No US intervention, then
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Came here to say this. It's high time the Arab League stopped whining about western imperialism, found their balls and did the right thing. They have the manpower and the moral authority to march in and fix al-Assad's wagon for good, then install an interim government before elections.


WHAR ARAB LEAGUE WHAR?

xanadian: This may be an opportunity for the Arab League to do something on its own, too. No US intervention, then

pshhh, that'll happen when pigs become permissable to eat!

Thank goodness we have Russia around to defend child-murderers.

Remind me again what the UN is for? Oh right, it's a "democratic" system where a single Dictator gets the same number of votes as an entire Democracy.

If the Russians didn't veto, the Chicoms would have. fark em both.

Hate to say it but this is really not our problem.

The Syrians have to do this by themselves or with other Arab League nations. Any western country that gets involved past supplies and whatever government emerges will be condemned as a puppet for that western nation or nations.

TheShavingofOccam123: If the Russians didn't veto, the Chicoms would have. fark em both.

Maybe not. The Chinese have a bug up their sleeve about interfering in the affairs of sovereign states. But it is unclear if that principle covers executing children.

What's surprising? How does the saying go, "birds of a feather" and all that?

And yeah, of course the Chinese are going to back Syria.

IronOcelot: Hate to say it but this is really not our problem.

True.

The Syrians have to do this by themselves or with other Arab League nations. Any western country that gets involved past supplies and whatever government emerges will be condemned as a puppet for that western nation or nations.

You're assuming Arabs are a homogenous block. Syria is propped up by Iran, which is on the Arab's most-hated list. Syria lacks Arab friends.

China has no problem executing jvl: TheShavingofOccam123: If the Russians didn't veto, the Chicoms would have. fark em both.

Maybe not. The Chinese have a bug up their sleeve about interfering in the affairs of sovereign states. But it is unclear if that principle covers executing children.

China has no problem executing children.They execute their own.

Well we have our UN haters, when does the college kid appear in the thread and call the US an authoritarian regime?

Gee, what country that nobody mentions might hold the key?

Hint

Cajnik: Well we have our UN haters, when does the college kid appear in the thread and call the US an authoritarian regime?

"The US is an authoritarian regime!"

OK, that's out of the way. Will that preempt the idiots so we can have a semi-reasonable discussion. Oh, wait:

"Syria is a threat to Israel so the US has to intervene!"
"No it isn't!"

That should take care of Tats and his detractors. Next!

Russia has a veto on the UN security council.

Russia's only naval base in the Mediterranean is in Syria.

NATO will not attack Russia because Russia can and will fight back, and dirty.

Syrians are farked.

Wolf892: China has no problem executing jvl: TheShavingofOccam123: If the Russians didn't veto, the Chicoms would have. fark em both.

Maybe not. The Chinese have a bug up their sleeve about interfering in the affairs of sovereign states. But it is unclear if that principle covers executing children.

China has no problem executing children.They execute their own.

Yes, but they limit that to the first few minutes after birth. And even then they pretend it never happened.

If Turkey were somehow drawn into the conflict (e.g. Syrian cross-border incursions cross a 'red line' that forces Turkey to respond militarily) could the NATO charter be used to justify a NATO intervention?

Cletus from Canuckistan: If Turkey were somehow drawn into the conflict (e.g. Syrian cross-border incursions cross a 'red line' that forces Turkey to respond militarily) could the NATO charter be used to justify a NATO intervention?

Possible, but I would think extremely unlikely (Russia). However, unilateral action by Turkey could be a real possibility, their Ottoman history notwithstanding.

Cletus from Canuckistan: If Turkey were somehow drawn into the conflict (e.g. Syrian cross-border incursions cross a 'red line' that forces Turkey to respond militarily) could the NATO charter be used to justify a NATO intervention?

Personally, I think NATO talks the talk but will not intervene for Turkey or the Baltics (vs Russia)

F42: Russia has a veto on the UN security council.

Russia's only naval base in the Mediterranean is in Syria.

NATO will not attack Russia because Russia can and will fight back, and dirty.

Syrians are farked.

I would hope the Russians would take advantage of their presence and secretly supply and aid the resistance in Syria (I'm sure there is plenty of black market arms pouring in from Russia) but I figure they are interested in maintaining the regime.

Since when has the American government been against killing arab children as collateral damage?

CitizenTed: xanadian: This may be an opportunity for the Arab League to do something on its own, too. No US intervention, then
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Came here to say this. It's high time the Arab League stopped whining about western imperialism, found their balls and did the right thing. They have the manpower and the moral authority to march in and fix al-Assad's wagon for good, then install an interim government before elections.

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WHAR ARAB LEAGUE WHAR?

And then what would the Arab League do about Iran, the Assad regime's main patron these days? I seriously doubt that Tehran would sit idly by while their client gets taken out by the House of Saud's paid hirelings.

jvl: Wolf892: jvl: TheShavingofOccam123: If the Russians didn't veto, the Chicoms would have. fark em both.

Maybe not. The Chinese have a bug up their sleeve about interfering in the affairs of sovereign states. But it is unclear if that principle covers executing children.

China has no problem executing children.They execute their own.

Yes, but they limit that to the first few minutes after birth. And even then they pretend it never happened.

No, they also execute children for crimes committed. There are photos of a young lady of about 15 being executed. Before and after shots...so to speak.

The solution to this is simple. The CIA should just get with the Brits and perform a coup. What could possibly go wrong?

Cajnik: Cletus from Canuckistan: If Turkey were somehow drawn into the conflict (e.g. Syrian cross-border incursions cross a 'red line' that forces Turkey to respond militarily) could the NATO charter be used to justify a NATO intervention?

Personally, I think NATO talks the talk but will not intervene for Turkey or the Baltics (vs Russia)

Wat?

Bosnia


Serbia

Cajnik: Cletus from Canuckistan: If Turkey were somehow drawn into the conflict (e.g. Syrian cross-border incursions cross a 'red line' that forces Turkey to respond militarily) could the NATO charter be used to justify a NATO intervention?

Personally, I think NATO talks the talk but will not intervene for Turkey or the Baltics (vs Russia)

It's complicated. If Turkey wanted to intervene for whatever reason, NATO would try to back-channel support them but not offer direct military assistance without a UN resolution. If a third party (like Russia) attacked Turkey because Turkey intervened in Syria, then NATO would -have- to support them militarily.

Not like the US would *ever* prop up a murderous authoritarian regime.

FTA: Russian minister maintains foreign military action after Houla massacre will only worsen violence in Syria

A point which is absolutely correct.

TheShavingofOccam123: F42: Russia has a veto on the UN security council.

Russia's only naval base in the Mediterranean is in Syria.

NATO will not attack Russia because Russia can and will fight back, and dirty.

Syrians are farked.

I would hope the Russians would take advantage of their presence and secretly supply and aid the resistance in Syria (I'm sure there is plenty of black market arms pouring in from Russia) but I figure they are interested in maintaining the regime.

Russia is always weird on these issues. I can only understand it as they like being contrarian because it makes them feel like they are still a superpower. They could easily keep making money in arms deals and oil pipelines no matter what regime was in power, and especially if there was a civil war.

Seems like they do this sort of thing just because they can. I don't think it is "right" generally, or even for them specifically, except to make a statement.

Ow! That was my feelings!: Cajnik: Cletus from Canuckistan: If Turkey were somehow drawn into the conflict (e.g. Syrian cross-border incursions cross a 'red line' that forces Turkey to respond militarily) could the NATO charter be used to justify a NATO intervention?

Personally, I think NATO talks the talk but will not intervene for Turkey or the Baltics (vs Russia)

Wat?

Bosnia


Serbia

Baltics /=/ Balkans

12349876: Ow! That was my feelings!: Cajnik: Cletus from Canuckistan: If Turkey were somehow drawn into the conflict (e.g. Syrian cross-border incursions cross a 'red line' that forces Turkey to respond militarily) could the NATO charter be used to justify a NATO intervention?

Personally, I think NATO talks the talk but will not intervene for Turkey or the Baltics (vs Russia)

Wat?

Bosnia


Serbia

Baltics /=/ Balkans

They're the exact same place, except about a thousand miles apart.

So how many more deaths before military intervention is the better option?

20,000? 100,000?

How about a number, Moscow? We all know Czar Putin is cold-blooded but this is ridiculous!

fusillade762 SmartestFunniest 2012-05-30 06:45:35 PM


Not like the US would *ever* prop up a murderous authoritarian regime.

Ah yes. The inevitable "but America did this..." comment. Boring and also irrelevant to the discussion.

SirEattonHogg: Ah yes. The inevitable "but America did this..." comment. Boring and also irrelevant to the discussion.

Shush, American Imperialist Pig Dog.

Those 100 or so people were really murdered by CIA Mossad Agents and their Marine core collaborators.

ShonenBat: So how many more deaths before military intervention is the better option?

20,000? 100,000?

How about a number, Moscow? We all know Czar Putin is cold-blooded but this is ridiculous!

I can tell you: Pick a number, and then double it, add the number of American deaths per year, times the number of years we're going to be there after we're not welcomed as liberators, and that will be the number of deaths acceptable before military intervention is the better option.

Look, people, it sounds nice and bloodless, but "military intervention" is war, and are you ready to start a war in Syria? Bearing in mind Syria will not be the pushover that Iraq and Afghanistan were.

Gyrfalcon: 12349876: Ow! That was my feelings!: Cajnik: Cletus from Canuckistan: If Turkey were somehow drawn into the conflict (e.g. Syrian cross-border incursions cross a 'red line' that forces Turkey to respond militarily) could the NATO charter be used to justify a NATO intervention?

Personally, I think NATO talks the talk but will not intervene for Turkey or the Baltics (vs Russia)

Wat?

Bosnia


Serbia

Baltics /=/ Balkans

They're the exact same place, except about a thousand miles apart.

ah, reading comprehension fail.

I suck, oh well.

1) Ain't no oil in Syria. Source: CIA World Factbook (they're 44th in the world for exports, right behind Taiwan, but ahead of Denmark). I'd link but because CIA is all 007, the link is https only, and Fark doesn't allow an https link. Google CIA World Factbook and click on the Syria link, then scroll down to oil exports.

2) The opposition in Syria is murky.

3) Armed insurgencies in any country are expected to be met with force.

4) Remove the Basher and it's unclear that Vermont will suddenly appear (see the big country bordering it to the east). Don't think Israel will be real keen on that, but one would need to poll the Israeli government to get a real feel for how badly they want the Basher gone.

5) No refugee crisis threatening Europe from Syria.

I'm thinking there are a lot of sternly worded letters in Syria's future.

I can tell you: Pick a number, and then double it, add the number of American deaths per year, times the number of years we're going to be there after we're not welcomed as liberators, and that will be the number of deaths acceptable before military intervention is the better option.

Look, people, it sounds nice and bloodless, but "military intervention" is war, and are you ready to start a war in Syria? Bearing in mind Syria will not be the pushover that Iraq and Afghanistan were.

How about a sanction by the WHOLE Security Council against Syria? Maybe have Russia stop supplying arms to Assad's regime? Is that too much to ask?

Mouser: CitizenTed: xanadian: This may be an opportunity for the Arab League to do something on its own, too. No US intervention, then
l

Came here to say this. It's high time the Arab League stopped whining about western imperialism, found their balls and did the right thing. They have the manpower and the moral authority to march in and fix al-Assad's wagon for good, then install an interim government before elections.

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WHAR ARAB LEAGUE WHAR?

And then what would the Arab League do about Iran, the Assad regime's main patron these days?


Who cares? Really! The Mideast is sick of Western meddling in their affairs. Fine. Then let them sort out their religio/socio/cultural bullcrap among each other. Enjoy.

Russia probably right, whenever UN piece keepers go into a place this go from bad to down right "OH shiat".

Gyrfalcon: Bearing in mind Syria will not be the pushover that Iraq and Afghanistan were.

[Citation needed]

Authoritarian or not, The Old Ones will devour them all. It is imminent.
Cthulhu will awaken soon.

IA! IA! YOG-SOTHOTH NEBLOD ZIN!

Good, let's let this ride and let the rest of the world come begging at the US' feet for leadership. I, for one, am tired of being taken for granted. Yes, the US does some bad stuff, but lets see how messy stuff gets when we aren't around to pick up the dog shiat. Then, maybe, we can step in and help the same Syrian people who were protesting in the streets about US involvement in the ME.

No country should have veto power, period. To be fair, I think the US abuses the veto more than any other country.

shivashakti: Authoritarian or not, The Old Ones will devour them all. It is imminent.
Cthulhu will awaken soon.

IA! IA! YOG-SOTHOTH NEBLOD ZIN!

WHAT???

I wish you ninnies wouldn't wake me up every time one of your insignificant nation-states did something stupid or they find an oversize cephalopod.

jabelar: Russia is always weird on these issues. I can only understand it as they like being contrarian because it makes them feel like they are still a superpower. They could easily keep making money in arms deals and oil pipelines no matter what regime was in power, and especially if there was a civil war.

Seems like they do this sort of thing just because they can. I don't think it is "right" generally, or even for them specifically, except to make a statement.

It proves to general population that Putin is strong enough to keep in check entire Western Imperialism. You know, the bad kind of Imperialism

Gdalescrboz: Good, let's let this ride and let the rest of the world come begging at the US' feet for leadership. I, for one, am tired of being taken for granted. Yes, the US does some bad stuff, but lets see how messy stuff gets when we aren't around to pick up the dog shiat. Then, maybe, we can step in and help the same Syrian people who were protesting in the streets about US involvement in the ME.

My first genuine lol of the morning. Thanks :)