Beer and food have a copyright fee in Canada?

OtherLittleGuy: Beer and food have a copyright fee in Canada?

Moosehead don't come cheap, eh?

Still sounds more civilized than the ASCAP shakedown thugs.

Thelyphthoric: Still sounds more civilized than the ASCAP shakedown thugs.

I worked with a band for several years playing bars and such around Sacramento. I'm amazed we never got leaned on by those guys. I guess it's gotten worse it the past 10 years as they got crazier and greedier

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Thelyphthoric: Still sounds more civilized than the ASCAP shakedown thugs.

I worked with a band for several years playing bars and such around Sacramento. I'm amazed we never got leaned on by those guys. I guess it's gotten worse it the past 10 years as they got crazier and greedier

Their target is typically the venues - mom and pop places can't afford to host live music anymore, and if one does pay ASCAP then BMI and SESAC follow them and hit 'em again.

I thought that a wedding was different from like a bar, in that the wedding was a private event.

I thought that the whole idea was public performance.

No?

Public domain? So you want classical musicians, which, I think, is just fine for a wedding.

Grables'Daughter: I thought that a wedding was different from like a bar, in that the wedding was a private event.

I thought that the whole idea was public performance.

No?

For lawyers, any time money is exchanged it be becomes public.

/the just want to wet their beaks...with your life blood.

According to some quick google searches (and this is not legal advice), it looks like, in Canada, all music published before or after 1923 where the composer died on or prior to 1961 is public domain.

So, bring in a bluesman and have him play Robert Johnson songs.

fees cost more if there is dancing?

stoopid

Thelyphthoric: Still sounds more civilized than the ASCAP shakedown thugs.

For that, we have SOCAN

Rusty Shackleford: Thelyphthoric: Still sounds more civilized than the ASCAP shakedown thugs.

For that, we have SOCAN

Ah, well, crap. I'm glad I'm not a musician trying to make a buck - seems even original songs will get you sued by because your melody overlaps with some other obscure band's just a little too much. And if you DON'T play then John Cage will sue you.

RexTalionis: Public domain? So you want classical musicians, which, I think, is just fine for a wedding.


Can't wait for that first minuet

Your venue is already paying SOCAN.

Since you want a cover band you don't have to pay this fee.

While the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada (otherwise known as SOCAN) already collects money from many of these events for the songwriters, Re:Sound will represent the record labels and performers who contributed to the music.

Reading is hard.

RexTalionis

So, bring in a bluesman and have him play Robert Johnson songs.

Ain't Gettin' Laid No Mo' Blues?

Dixieland Jazz. No problem, super cool, loads of fun.

/we had a string quartet at our reception; a nice afternoon reception for extended family and "have to invite" types. Then my parents had friends and close family over that night for a raging kegger/bourbon soaked bash under a tent in their backyard. Worked out well for everyone...

Here's a novel idea. How about hiring a band that plays original music instead?

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I worked with a band for several years playing bars and such around Sacramento. I'm amazed we never got leaned on by those guys.

If you were playing original songs then YOU should have been leaning on the bar owners and clubs to get right with ASCAP and to file set lists. There are royalties to which you are entitled for the public performance of your works.

I wish I could find the MST3k invention exchange of the public domain kareoke machine. If only for the way TV's Frank says "kareoke." It was on Pod People

Rent Party: Here's a novel idea. How about hiring a band that plays original music instead?

Because they'll be fending off requests for Journey songs all night, and OMG I don't know any of these songs your band sucks!

Rent Party

Here's a novel idea. How about hiring a band that plays original music instead?

Nobody wants to hear that at a wedding reception.

Conga and chicken dance all the way.

Aren't songs available for $1 each (or some very low price) online? I have downloaded, and paid for, most of my MP3 collection from amazon.com and probably some other sites.

Oh, and I did notice that TotalRecorder is still available. YouTube + TotalRecorder =

Bill_Wick's_Friend: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I worked with a band for several years playing bars and such around Sacramento. I'm amazed we never got leaned on by those guys.

If you were playing original songs then YOU should have been leaning on the bar owners and clubs to get right with ASCAP and to file set lists. There are royalties to which you are entitled for the public performance of your works.

We collected our royalties in the form of free shots of bourbon during breaks

/sometimes that third set was kind of hard to get through

Grables'Daughter: I thought that a wedding was different from like a bar, in that the wedding was a private event.

I thought that the whole idea was public performance.

No?

Not if your neighbors overhear the music.

schubie: I wish I could find the MST3k invention exchange of the public domain kareoke machine. If only for the way TV's Frank says "kareoke." It was on Pod People

Skip to 2:25.

/Ayuk-gaeeeeeeeee!!!

bmihura: Aren't songs available for $1 each (or some very low price) online? I have downloaded, and paid for, most of my MP3 collection from amazon.com and probably some other sites.

Oh, and I did notice that TotalRecorder is still available. YouTube + TotalRecorder =

If you live in the US and own a shoe store, you cannot legally play those paid tracks, or even the radio, for that matter-- without paying extortion fees.

"Hey, who likes the Doobie Brothers? 'Cause we've got one of them!"

Playing timeless favorites such as:

Old MacDonald
Oh My Darlin' Clementine
Yankee Doodle
La Cucaracha

And many more!

OtherLittleGuy: Beer and food have a copyright fee in Canada?

Boards of Canada

TsarTom: RexTalionis: Public domain? So you want classical musicians, which, I think, is just fine for a wedding.

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Can't wait for that first minuet

Now that is a real family wedding.

It's just for recordings used. You can still have someone from the guests or family get up and play whatever live.

Meh, hire some unknowns that can play, and let them play their stuff. Just dont pick a sucky band.

\n/ rock on!

Spiralmonkey: TsarTom: RexTalionis: Public domain? So you want classical musicians, which, I think, is just fine for a wedding.

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Can't wait for that first minuet

Now that is a real family wedding.

Wherd u get pic's of ma cousins?(Yes they both are my cousins)

But seriously, I come from a NS hillbilly family.
Had one of my cousins show up to my borther's wedding on a tractor.
No inbreeding on any direct lines of lineage, that I'm aware of.
Got the hell out as soon as I could and moved to Toronto.
Not all the cousins were crazy, but we definitly had a couple of cousin IT's in the family tree.

For a wedding: How would this possibly fly it it were music being played from purchased CDs, say from the collection of the couple and friends? If the music is legally purchased and you aren't making money off of it?

FTA: For weddings, receptions, conventions, assemblies and fashion shows, the fee is $9.25 per day if fewer than 100 people are present and goes up to $39.33 for crowds of more than 500 people. If there's dancing, the fees double.

I do not understand why it costs more for more people - does the music dilute with more ears? And how does dancing affect the price? Can you only sit quietly and listen to music?

I was prepared to be outraged until I read that the basic charge is $9.25 for the whole friggin day. But then I...

Rent Party: Here's a novel idea. How about hiring a band that plays original music instead?

'round these here parts we don't cotton to original music unless it's been done before

Hire a JoCo Cover band.

Code Monkeys Unite!!!!

"If there's dancing, the fees double."

Wait...this has to be a joke. You can't say the rights to play the songs are any more valuable if people are dancing.

imprimere: For a wedding: How would this possibly fly it it were music being played from purchased CDs, say from the collection of the couple and friends? If the music is legally purchased and you aren't making money off of it?

The venue is being paid. The venue is making money (in a very small way) from the recordings that they play at events. The venue is therefore obligated to cough up a very small amount of money that is filtered back to the owners of those recordings.

filter: If you live in the US and own a shoe store, you cannot legally play those paid tracks, or even the radio, for that matter-- without paying extortion fees.

Solution: Don't play music in your shoe store. Oh? You want to have music because it provides the right atmosphere or "vibe" to enhance the shopping experience of your customers? So you're tangentially deriving profit from the use of the intellectual properties of others? So pay for that use. It's a nominal fee.

StoneColdAtheist: I was prepared to be outraged until I read that the basic charge is $9.25 for the whole friggin day. But then I...

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Yeah, but where does it stop? Will this then extend to backyard BBQs? It's just a dick move, no matter how you look at it.

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Your venue is already paying SOCAN.

Since you want a cover band you don't have to pay this fee.

While the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada (otherwise known as SOCAN) already collects money from many of these events for the songwriters, Re:Sound will represent the record labels and performers who contributed to the music.

I looked at their site and Wikipedia and still don't know the answer. Why are they SOCAN instead of SCAMPC? French?

EnviroDude: fees cost more if there is dancing?

stoopid

The Baptist discount.

skrame: Why are they SOCAN instead of SCAMPC? French?

They are the performance rights SOciety of CANada.

They used to be PROCAN (the Performance Rights Organization of CANada) and before that they were BMI Canada, affiliated with the American P.R.O.

All copyrights should last 10 years, no more. No more guaranteed revenue streams for your children's children.

Also annoyed:



/It took two people to write that song?
//Hot like El Perro Fumar

imprimere: StoneColdAtheist: I was prepared to be outraged until I read that the basic charge is $9.25 for the whole friggin day. But then I...

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Yeah, but where does it stop? Will this then extend to backyard BBQs? It's just a dick move, no matter how you look at it.

When does it stop? When money doesn't change hands. Duh!

I like how the fee doubles if there's dancing. It's like footloose, but corporate-er.

Dear Recording Industry

Your failure to embrace change and your futile attempts to thug music fans of their money have rendered you a useless entity. Since you are neither tech people who understand modern media or the internet or music people who understand modern recording and distribution methods, you seem set on buying corrupt politicians to further bully us. We as musicians can make, produce, distribute, market and sell our music without your help. You had a great run of many years of stealing our money and ensuring that the creative people who actually made the music got as little as possible. F*ck you, it's over.

Sincerely
The New Age Redneck

/Support independent artists
// use forums like this to tell me about music I should hear....

filter: If you live in the US and own a shoe store, you cannot legally play those paid tracks, or even the radio, for that matter-- without paying extortion fees.

That's not exactly true:

Permission for radio and television transmissions in your business is not needed if the performance is by means of public communication of TV or radio transmissions by eating, drinking, retail or certain other establishments of a certain size which use a limited number of speakers or TVs, and if the reception is not further transmitted (for example, from one room to another) from the place in which it is received.

A business is exempt if it uses no more than 6 loudspeakers of which not more than 4 loudspeakers are located in any 1 room or adjoining outdoor space; and (b) if television sets are used, there are no more than 4 televisions, of which not more than 1 is located in any 1 room and none has a diagonal screen size greater than 55 inches.
(Public Law No. 105-298, which amended 17 U.S.C. 110(5).)


/had to learn all that stuff in school

LostInTO: Spiralmonkey: TsarTom: RexTalionis: Public domain? So you want classical musicians, which, I think, is just fine for a wedding.

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Can't wait for that first minuet

Now that is a real family wedding.

Wherd u get pic's of ma cousins?(Yes they both are my cousins)

But seriously, I come from a NS hillbilly family.
Had one of my cousins show up to my borther's wedding on a tractor.
No inbreeding on any direct lines of lineage, that I'm aware of.
Got the hell out as soon as I could and moved to Toronto.
Not all the cousins were crazy, but we definitly had a couple of cousin IT's in the family tree.

Really? Hmm...Ummm... wow. Ummm... I GISed "super awesome people" and this was in the results.