The publication "Inside Higher Ed" published a statement from Matt Lisk, executive director of the SAT. Lisk describes the August date as a "pilot" to begin weighing the viability of a permanent summer administration of the SAT. Students have long clamored for a chance to take the SAT in summer, outside the busy academic year.

Lisk said a small-scale pilot was the "only sound way to work through any potential operational challenges before considering an expansion to millions of students and thousands of sites."

Pathetic methodology failure is pathetic.

My first step in reforming American education would be to round up every executive of every national test making and test-prep company in the country,"non profit" and for-profit alike, crowd them onto a barge, and sink them into the middle of the ocean.

You have only to look to our recent politicians who went to Ivy League schools and are also obvious morons to know that standardized tests can be circumvented.

If you're rich enough, your kids don't have to take the SAT at all...just hire some brainiac to take the test for them.

Pocket Ninja: My first step in reforming American education would be to round up every executive of every national test making and test-prep company in the country,"non profit" and for-profit alike, crowd them onto a barge, and sink them into the middle of the ocean.

Upset there's never any scoring for creative writing?

You don't say?



/hot

The threshold for "affluent" is $4,500?

This is an outrage! Tutoring should totally be illegal. Rich kids should have to be just as stupid as poor kids. It is only fair.

Let's get back to why we have to use a #2 pencil. Who is running this vast monopoly? Who does #2 work for?

GoSurfing: Let's get back to why we have to use a #2 pencil. Who is running this vast monopoly? Who does #2 work for?



I AM NOT A NUMBER

Look at the morons who have bullshiat MBA degrees from Harvard or Yale and think it's a big deal. Would those same people get into MIT or even Georgia Tech on real majors? Meh, those people would be rich either way. It's the people with actual education who invent shiat. They might not get paid as much but they're less likely to be douchebags.

Notabunny: The threshold for "affluent" is $4,500?

The author was last seen snatching a half eaten hot dog from the dumpster out back.

Lorelle: If you're rich enough, your kids don't have to take the SAT at all...just hire some brainiac to take the test for them.

Why bother, just buy the school a new wing and you'll get in without any score.

I guess I'm not getting why taking it in August over April is such a big deal? As long as the test is administered properly, who cares?

It's not like kids don't cram for the SAT anyway, getting extra help from study guides/tutoring. If anything it seems like it would be preferable to have them do this in summer, so it doesn't get in the way of normal classwork.

I somehow was unaware there were prep classes for the sat.
$4500 per day for 3 weeks? that's $94k. that has to be a typo.
if you were rich enough to pay that every one of your ancestors for the next 3 generations would be set for life and you wouldn't give enough of a f*ck about your kids college to be willing to pay that.
paul allen would find that price f*cking outrageous.
I don't believe it.

f*ck. 300 a day. and ancestors ain't your children. double fail.

relcec: I somehow was unaware there were prep classes for the sat.
$4500 per day for 3 weeks? that's $94k. that has to be a typo.
if you were rich enough to pay that every one of your ancestors for the next 3 generations would be set for life and you wouldn't give enough of a f*ck about your kids college to be willing to pay that.
paul allen would find that price f*cking outrageous.
I don't believe it.

Um, it's $4500 for three weeks, $300 a day. The article actually specifies that. How did you do on your SAT?

ProfessorOhki: Lorelle: If you're rich enough, your kids don't have to take the SAT at all...just hire some brainiac to take the test for them.

Why bother, just buy the school a new wing and you'll get in without any score.

ProfessorOhki: Lorelle: If you're rich enough, your kids don't have to take the SAT at all...just hire some brainiac to take the test for them.

Why bother, just buy the school a new wing and you'll get in without any score.

Lex Luthor tried both of those options and it didn't work out that well for him.

ShawnDoc: Pocket Ninja: My first step in reforming American education would be to round up every executive of every national test making and test-prep company in the country,"non profit" and for-profit alike, crowd them onto a barge, and sink them into the middle of the ocean.

Upset there's never any scoring for creative writing?

Kids, don't make me stop this car..

GoSurfing: Let's get back to why we have to use a #2 pencil. Who is running this vast monopoly? Who does #2 work for?

How 'bout a courtesy flush there, partner?

Splish: relcec: I somehow was unaware there were prep classes for the sat.
$4500 per day for 3 weeks? that's $94k. that has to be a typo.
if you were rich enough to pay that every one of your ancestors for the next 3 generations would be set for life and you wouldn't give enough of a f*ck about your kids college to be willing to pay that.
paul allen would find that price f*cking outrageous.
I don't believe it.

Um, it's $4500 for three weeks, $300 a day. The article actually specifies that. How did you do on your SAT?

Apparently pretty poorly in both reading comprehension AND math... it'd be 94500 if you went with his version of the story. My guess is that it was culturally biased.

relcec: $4500 per day for 3 weeks? that's $94k. that has to be a typo.

$4500 for the course or $300 a day. Maybe they corrected it by the time I read it.

And boo-farking-hoo, kids of rich parents have more resources available to them, its that how its been since........well since forever? There are ways to combat this, one, dont raise your kid to be a mind numbing moron like yourself and two, earn more money, a lot of use werent born rich but by your standards we would be considered rich now.

Oh and I dont buy the part of how they just take it as a given that rich kids or people from a higher economic bracket score higher, one of our in-laws is a full fledged millionaire(he designed some patent to improve pill bottles or some shiat like that) and his daughter is dumb as bricks. Sometimes being raised rich is a curse if you have the wrong parent raising you, its not the money, its what drives the kid and puts the work ethic into them to succeed.

As a former test prep teacher, I can say with certainty tht only geniuses and students whose parents can pay for test prep perform remarkably well on the exams. The only thing that the SAT and ACT tests is a student's ability to memorize a narrow set of strategies to solve questions on a predictable set of topics. If the student has access to an instructor and materials, he will do well unless he is incredibly stupid or not motivated. On the other hand, if mommy and daddy cannot afford a tutor at $30 to $90 per hour, the student is definitely at a disadvantage.

Pocket Ninja: My first step in reforming American education would be to round up every executive of every national test making and test-prep company in the country,"non profit" and for-profit alike, crowd them onto a barge, and sink them into the middle of the ocean.

That's a waste of a barge.

So much stupid in this article. A $49 dollar fee that is later waived? Oooh.

Research shows that affluent students have an advantage? You really wasted resources figuring out that students who are tudored and have access to study materials do better? You so smaht!

Farkin' Liberals!... artistes...

/yes, I'm kidding about that last part.

Bwah-HAHAHAHAHA!

/They still think it's a meritocracy!

If you're rich enough, knowledge is boring.

/ra-ther

Xenolith: As a former test prep teacher, I can say with certainty tht only geniuses and students whose parents can pay for test prep perform remarkably well on the exams. The only thing that the SAT and ACT tests is a student's ability to memorize a narrow set of strategies to solve questions on a predictable set of topics. If the student has access to an instructor and materials, he will do well unless he is incredibly stupid or not motivated. On the other hand, if mommy and daddy cannot afford a tutor at $30 to $90 per hour, the student is definitely at a disadvantage.

There is no internet access at poor schools. Nor is there any free instructional material to access even if they had said internet.

imprimere: So much stupid in this article. A $49 dollar fee that is later waived? Oooh.

Research shows that affluent students have an advantage? You really wasted resources figuring out that students who are tudored and have access to study materials do better? You so smaht!

Farkin' Liberals!... artistes...

/yes, I'm kidding about that last part.

That does not mean what you think it means.

Populist outrage from WaPo?

imprimere: So much stupid in this article. A $49 dollar fee that is later waived? Oooh.

Research shows that affluent students have an advantage? You really wasted resources figuring out that students who are tudored and have access to study materials do better? You so smaht!

Farkin' Liberals!... artistes...

/yes, I'm kidding about that last part.

I actually agree with the unfairness of allowing an August test date. All of the other students must contend with scheduling their test date between September and May. So, they must drive themselves to a test center early on a Saturday morning in between their school activities, midterms or final exams. That is a completely different scenario from taking the exam on a leisurely day in the middle of the summer. I have seen 300 point differences which are due just to a student's stress level and wakefulness that particular week so it is very likely that this special administration is giving an unfair advantage. The pilot session reason is bs. They know how the logistics work.

Hot Carl To Go: Xenolith: As a former test prep teacher, I can say with certainty tht only geniuses and students whose parents can pay for test prep perform remarkably well on the exams. The only thing that the SAT and ACT tests is a student's ability to memorize a narrow set of strategies to solve questions on a predictable set of topics. If the student has access to an instructor and materials, he will do well unless he is incredibly stupid or not motivated. On the other hand, if mommy and daddy cannot afford a tutor at $30 to $90 per hour, the student is definitely at a disadvantage.

There is no internet access at poor schools. Nor is there any free instructional material to access even if they had said internet.

Agreed. And the free PSAT and SAT booklets that go out to schools don't always reach the students and parents in poor districts.

MrHappyRotter: imprimere: So much stupid in this article. A $49 dollar fee that is later waived? Oooh.

Research shows that affluent students have an advantage? You really wasted resources figuring out that students who are tudored and have access to study materials do better? You so smaht!

Farkin' Liberals!... artistes...

/yes, I'm kidding about that last part.

That does not mean what you think it means.

great googlily moogily... damn typos... fracka-racka...

The problem is the students get to take at the end of the summer rather than in the middle of a school year.

You can't take the SAT during the summer?
Since when? I did when I was in High School, and I wasn't happy about giving up a day of summer vacation to do it, either.


/my lawn.

Would you like some cheese with your whine?

Xenolith: As a former test prep teacher, I can say with certainty tht only geniuses and students whose parents can pay for test prep perform remarkably well on the exams. The only thing that the SAT and ACT tests is a student's ability to memorize a narrow set of strategies to solve questions on a predictable set of topics. If the student has access to an instructor and materials, he will do well unless he is incredibly stupid or not motivated. On the other hand, if mommy and daddy cannot afford a tutor at $30 to $90 per hour, the student is definitely at a disadvantage.

And yet, it's called an "aptitude" test. I've always been mystified by that. It's testing on memorized information and knowing how to solve math problems.

imprimere: students who are tudored

Xenolith: Hot Carl To Go: Xenolith: As a former test prep teacher, I can say with certainty tht only geniuses and students whose parents can pay for test prep perform remarkably well on the exams. The only thing that the SAT and ACT tests is a student's ability to memorize a narrow set of strategies to solve questions on a predictable set of topics. If the student has access to an instructor and materials, he will do well unless he is incredibly stupid or not motivated. On the other hand, if mommy and daddy cannot afford a tutor at $30 to $90 per hour, the student is definitely at a disadvantage.

There is no internet access at poor schools. Nor is there any free instructional material to access even if they had said internet.

Agreed. And the free PSAT and SAT booklets that go out to schools don't always reach the students and parents in poor districts.

Yes, but there's no "diversity" in the preppy rich neighborhoods, so it tends to even out when you take the entire admissions process into account. The test isn't everything.

Pocket Ninja: My first step in reforming American education would be to round up every executive of every national test making and test-prep company in the country,"non profit" and for-profit alike, crowd them onto a barge, and sink them into the middle of the ocean.

Poor sharks :( What do you have against sharks?

I'm sick of the rich elitist progressives like the Clinton's, Obama's, Kerry's, Kennedy's, Pelosi's, etc., etc. Down with the progressives, up with the working class Republicans!

Having taken the SAT at a private American school overseas, I'm getting a kick out of these replies

SAT & ACT are a real waste of time for most students..Unless your ultra-competitive trying to get into a
ivy league or non-state school, your wasting your time and stressing over nothing. IMHO most students could
just skip it, it's not really in their best interest and isn't for their benefit and can only hurt.

CSB: I took the SAT or ACT I cant remember which..I was stressed out, and got some awful score..
My school wanted me to take it again. I refused..I wasn't going to do that to myself. I took a lot of my
basic classes ( ENG 101 etc..) at the community college, finished at the local state school, finished my
degree there and even managed to get into grad school there. The scores really didn't prove or predict
anything in my case.

GoSurfing: Let's get back to why we have to use a #2 pencil. Who is running this vast monopoly? Who does #2 work for?

...and includes courses on test-taking strategies and skills

Everytime I read something like that I understand it as "We found easy ways for you to game the system and win regardless of the fact that you don't know any of the material. It's legit!"

/The Material. You know it or you don't.
//people will recognize later that you faked it.

Xenolith: imprimere: So much stupid in this article. A $49 dollar fee that is later waived? Oooh.

Research shows that affluent students have an advantage? You really wasted resources figuring out that students who are tudored and have access to study materials do better? You so smaht!

Farkin' Liberals!... artistes...

/yes, I'm kidding about that last part.

I actually agree with the unfairness of allowing an August test date. All of the other students must contend with scheduling their test date between September and May. So, they must drive themselves to a test center early on a Saturday morning in between their school activities, midterms or final exams. That is a completely different scenario from taking the exam on a leisurely day in the middle of the summer. I have seen 300 point differences which are due just to a student's stress level and wakefulness that particular week so it is very likely that this special administration is giving an unfair advantage. The pilot session reason is bs. They know how the logistics work.

Will they take a payment plan? heh

Notabunny: The threshold for "affluent" is $4,500?

If we mean people who have actually have an extra $4,500 cash lying around, yes. The average savings account contains $3,800 and 64% don't have $1,000 in savings.

WTF? Had they learned anything in high school they wouldn't need to take a prep course (never took SAT/ACT - just GRE).

"If you're rich enough your kids don't have to take the SHIAT with the rest of the proletariat slobs"



So close, subby. So close.