Your family had a car? Lucky you! I had to carry the entire family home on my back plus all the groceries and furniture after shopping trips. And I was only six years old.

Elvis_Bogart: Your family had a car? Lucky you! I had to carry the entire family home on my back plus all the groceries and furniture after shopping trips. And I was only six years old.

You had a back? Bloody luxury! My neck was attached to my hips and I had to carry everything in my ears.

Barfmaker: Elvis_Bogart: Your family had a car? Lucky you! I had to carry the entire family home on my back plus all the groceries and furniture after shopping trips. And I was only six years old.

You had a back? Bloody luxury! My neck was attached to my hips and I had to carry everything in my ears.

You're lucky that you had hips and ears. I was a wooden puppet brought to life by my parents and forced into servitude. I had to sleep outside in the snow and pull the car into town on my wooden knees.

kid_icarus: You're lucky that you had hips and ears. I was a wooden puppet brought to life by my parents and forced into servitude. I had to sleep outside in the snow and pull the car into town on my wooden knees.

Count your blessings that you have knees. I was born with no limbs, torso or head. At birth I was nothing but an 8.5 lb ear and I was born deaf!

Soccer saved my son.

Wait, how is this news anywhere? For a long time, occupational therapists have been using physical exercise to get kids into a state where they can pay attention.

I'm hyperactive and hypoglycemic. I'm a Hyper Hypo.

As an employee of the pharma industry, I think this sort of nonsense is hooey...have you asked your doctor about Strattera?

2xhelix: kid_icarus: You're lucky that you had hips and ears. I was a wooden puppet brought to life by my parents and forced into servitude. I had to sleep outside in the snow and pull the car into town on my wooden knees.

Count your blessings that you have knees. I was born with no limbs, torso or head. At birth I was nothing but an 8.5 lb ear and I was born deaf!

You had an ear!?!? You lived the life of luxury! I am trans-dimensional being with no way to physically interact to this universe, and I STILL had to pull the car into town!

Everybody... GO OUTSIDE AND PLAY!

All these studies and statistics are a liberal conspiracy. Kids really need to sit in a windowless room all day taking standardized tests! Recess and gym and lab and music and theater are all a bunch of socialist crap designed to turn our kids into pagans. Also, they cost money.

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: 2xhelix: kid_icarus: You're lucky that you had hips and ears. I was a wooden puppet brought to life by my parents and forced into servitude. I had to sleep outside in the snow and pull the car into town on my wooden knees.

Count your blessings that you have knees. I was born with no limbs, torso or head. At birth I was nothing but an 8.5 lb ear and I was born deaf!

You had an ear!?!? You lived the life of luxury! I am trans-dimensional being with no way to physically interact to this universe, and I STILL had to pull the car into town!

It must be nice to be as blessed as you folks, what with your ears, and torsos, and whatnot. I'm just a car that doesn't run so I have to get pulled everywhere by random freaks.

Moochelle Obama is probably behind this study. Don't believe a word of it! Kids don't need exercise.

Sin_City_Superhero: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: 2xhelix: kid_icarus: You're lucky that you had hips and ears. I was a wooden puppet brought to life by my parents and forced into servitude. I had to sleep outside in the snow and pull the car into town on my wooden knees.

Count your blessings that you have knees. I was born with no limbs, torso or head. At birth I was nothing but an 8.5 lb ear and I was born deaf!

You had an ear!?!? You lived the life of luxury! I am trans-dimensional being with no way to physically interact to this universe, and I STILL had to pull the car into town!

It must be nice to be as blessed as you folks, what with your ears, and torsos, and whatnot. I'm just a car that doesn't run so I have to get pulled everywhere by random freaks.

Aaaaand scene.

Obvious, yes, but probably not for the reasons most think. Kids with ADHD aren't like kids full of sugar who just need to burn off excess energy so they can sit still. ADHD is linked to a lack of dopamine in the brain, which is why stimulants are given as treatment (and why caffeine is a common self-medication). Exercise is good, healthy way to increase dopamine levels.

Back in my day ADHD was diagnosed as shiatty parenting of a little brat. Since I'm still alive, this is still my day.

Parent your kids or get the fark off of my planet.

More evidence that Cesar Milan is not just teaching us how to rehabilitate dogs. He's showing us how to raise children as well.

/That calm, assertive shiat WORKS.
//9 year old son

I know ADHD is a real syndrome/disease/medical manifestation, not denying that.

But just imagine how many cases are really a case of "I'm being forced to sit behind a desk all goddamned day, when evolution created my body to be outside, eating bugs, playing with sticks, running from and with animals, and swimming all day."

DROxINxTHExWIND: More evidence that Cesar Milan is not just teaching us how to rehabilitate dogs. He's showing us how to raise children as well.

/That calm, assertive shiat WORKS.
//9 year old son

But remember, it's wrong to hit a dog. Kids, go for it. The little monsters probably deserve it.

I hope "pull the car into town" isn't a euphemism for being molested.

Smeggy Smurf: Back in my day ADHD was diagnosed as shiatty parenting of a little brat. Since I'm still alive, this is still my day.

Parent your kids or get the fark off of my planet.

Actually, the problem is the schools where recess has been eliminated to allow more time for test prep. At the local middle school, the kids typically take one semester of physical education in three years.

The local Quaker school alternates classes with physical exercise throughout the day. The first time I substituted there I thought "These kids barely dust their seats with their butts and it's time to go outside again. How can they possibly learn?" Then, I realized how much better they were able to concentrate due to the physical activity.

wanna go ride bikes?..oh look! a bunny...

This is why we have a trampoline in our living room. Feeling fidgety but can't / won't go outside? Jump in place for a little bit! Works for everyone in the family, ADHD or not. Or maybe we all have ADHD? Either way....get a trampoline!

Subby only thought he had to pull the car. His parents only let him think that to build his self-esteem. I was pushing the damned thing the whole way. After I had knit it by hand from a bag of steel wool.

kingoomieiii: Wait, how is this news anywhere? For a long time, occupational therapists have been using physical exercise to get kids into a state where they can pay attention.

Slapping them silly usually works for me.

Joshudan: This is why we have a trampoline in our living room. Feeling fidgety but can't / won't go outside? Jump in place for a little bit! Works for everyone in the family, ADHD or not. Or maybe we all have ADHD? Either way....get a trampoline!

In the living room? Where do you fit the couch and TeeVee?

I May Be Crazy But...: DROxINxTHExWIND: More evidence that Cesar Milan is not just teaching us how to rehabilitate dogs. He's showing us how to raise children as well.

/That calm, assertive shiat WORKS.
//9 year old son

But remember, it's wrong to hit a dog. Kids, go for it. The little monsters probably deserve it.


I don't have to hit him. I just give him a little *tssssht*

I wish they had a "funny" button for the entire thread.

Soo, kind of like my dog then.

naveline: I know ADHD is a real syndrome/disease/medical manifestation, not denying that.

But just imagine how many cases are really a case of "I'm being forced to sit behind a desk all goddamned day, when evolution created my body to be outside, eating bugs, playing with sticks, running from and with animals, and swimming all day."

I think there are two primary causes of ADHD. One is the lack of activity you describe - it's unnatural just as you point out The other is the fact that so many people are covered by insurance, insurance covers doctor's visits and medication. A doctor can look at a kid and tell the parents to have him climb the giant maple tree in the back yard before breakfast in the morning and never see him again or put him on a prescription and see him (at the usual office visit fee) on a regular basis to have his prescription renewed (for which the good Dr. gets a small token of appreciation from the pharmaceutical company).

CapeFearCadaver: Joshudan: This is why we have a trampoline in our living room. Feeling fidgety but can't / won't go outside? Jump in place for a little bit! Works for everyone in the family, ADHD or not. Or maybe we all have ADHD? Either way....get a trampoline!

In the living room? Where do you fit the couch and TeeVee?

We had a trampoline in the living room in front of the the TV. My dad said I should never ever use it. Then he left the ceiling fan on 24/7. I learned to control my impulses quickly.

So, normal kid activity trumps made up disorder. Interesting.

chndrcks: Obvious, yes, but probably not for the reasons most think. Kids with ADHD aren't like kids full of sugar who just need to burn off excess energy so they can sit still. ADHD is linked to a lack of dopamine in the brain, which is why stimulants are given as treatment (and why caffeine is a common self-medication). Exercise is good, healthy way to increase dopamine levels.

Sounds like a normal person then. The "kids full of sugar who just need to burn off excess energy so they can sit still" myth has been busted for years now, if not decades.

Smeggy Smurf: Back in my day ADHD was diagnosed as shiatty parenting of a little brat.

Back in my day, Teachers called incessant harassment, and incitement to harass a problem student by his peers "award-winning teaching".

As my day sucked, can I borrow those rose-colored goggles of yours?

CSB?

A friend has a kid that might have some ADHD... so the preschool wants the kid to wear a weighted vest to tire him out so he can focus in class.

/CSB

Ah ADHD, the ailment invented by terrible, lazy parents and shiatty teachers.

adhd, add, college at 12 and hyperactive as well as a good dose of Da Vinci syndrome. Found the way to cope. It involves a ton of projects alltogether. you get fidgety, you get your exercise :D

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Ah ADHD, the ailment invented by terrible, lazy parents and shiatty teachers.

Except for, you know, the empirically observable brain abnormalities it comes with.

Yep. Totally fabricated.

This thread was pretty good until some of you decided to politicize this issue and blame it all on Conservatives being in bed with big pharma, amirite?

WELL, ABOUT THAT:

http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/04/news/ companies/pharma_votes/index.htm

To save you the difficult task of reading, Big Pharma "opened its wallet" to the Dems in 2008. Obama and Clinton got 350K between the two of them. McCain? 44K ... so Big Pharma figures it's better off with Democrats in office.

Darn those facts and figures, eh?

SkunkWerks: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Ah ADHD, the ailment invented by terrible, lazy parents and shiatty teachers.

Except for, you know, the empirically observable brain abnormalities it comes with.

Yep. Totally fabricated.

If a backhand can fix it, it is not a disease. ADHD is not a disease.

Eh, why not? It works for dogs.

Thunderpipes: SkunkWerks: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Ah ADHD, the ailment invented by terrible, lazy parents and shiatty teachers.

Except for, you know, the empirically observable brain abnormalities it comes with.

Yep. Totally fabricated.

If a backhand can fix it, it is not a disease. ADHD is not a disease.

What if Pink can fix it?

So my elementary and highschool teachers were right. If you fidgeted in class they would make you lap the building a couple of times.

PsyLord: CSB?

A friend has a kid that might have some ADHD... so the preschool wants the kid to wear a weighted vest to tire him out so he can focus in class.

/CSB

Weighted vests are very effective. Also they help with sensory issues.

CapeFearCadaver: Joshudan: This is why we have a trampoline in our living room. Feeling fidgety but can't / won't go outside? Jump in place for a little bit! Works for everyone in the family, ADHD or not. Or maybe we all have ADHD? Either way....get a trampoline!

In the living room? Where do you fit the couch and TeeVee?

It sits in front of the tv but to the side of the couch, so you can watch tv from either place. I'm too old to bounce and watch tv but the kids like doing it.

I May Be Crazy But...: DROxINxTHExWIND: More evidence that Cesar Milan is not just teaching us how to rehabilitate dogs. He's showing us how to raise children as well.

/That calm, assertive shiat WORKS.
//9 year old son

But remember, it's wrong to hit a dog. Kids, go for it. The little monsters probably deserve it.

hell, i'll hit the kids if the dog does something wrong. i make the dog watch so he can learn from it.

/dogs love kids
//they taste like uncooked chicken

Thunderpipes: SkunkWerks: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Ah ADHD, the ailment invented by terrible, lazy parents and shiatty teachers.

Except for, you know, the empirically observable brain abnormalities it comes with.

Yep. Totally fabricated.

If a backhand can fix it, it is not a disease. ADHD is not a disease.

You know what it's like to have distracting thoughts feel like they want to claw out of your head while you try to concentrate on something boring? All farking day? And you may have failed a test that cost 1450 bucks to take because of it? fark you; you have no idea!

Joshudan: It sits in front of the tv but to the side of the couch, so you can watch tv from either place. I'm too old to bounce and watch tv but the kids like doing it.

I was being... you know.... snarky.

I thought this was FARK?

MadSkillz: you have no idea!

He has an idea of how to beat his children. Technically, that's an idea.

ADHD is either missed-diagnosed anxiety disorder (which too can be helped dramatically with physical exercise) or is caused by not having enough nor-epinephrine in the dopamine pathway of the brain that helps with movement and mental focus. Exercise causes an adrenaline rush - adrenaline is nor-epinephrine and epinephrine (which comes from nor-e). So yeah, this is just kinda re-affirming something that is/was/should be obvious.