Booze, gambling, and prostitution. Answer: Industries that increase during a recession

Craft beer drinking and beer brewing are the only things that take my mind off of how much life sucks, so this makes sense to me.

You mean people wanted to get drunk and local brews are normally better than coors, just as cheap, and employ local people?

I'll drink to that.

Although I have noticed the number of 4-packs of beer have gone up considerably, and I'm not even talking stronger beers like IPAs.

Dude, I am not paying 10 bucks for a 4-pack of your Pilsner.

Beer snob thread!

Goddamn, I'm sick of these beer snob threads...people harping on and on about their favourite local brew and how it's superior in every way when in fact it's just bottled Lake Superior.

When will people learn that Creemore Springs is the greatest beer ever and give up these threads???

I see no evidence of causation, subby. But I am a beer snob. Gonna have these two tonight:

I drank a Shipyard Applehead for the first time yesterday, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

/Wife and I are buying a house in the fall
//I'll be homebrewing by Christmas

Should be hitting a tasting with Drie Fonteinen Framboos tonight (taking a Cantillon Lou Pepe Framboise '08 to share). So I'm getting a kick, etc...

I made an outmeal stout that turned out pretty good. I wish I had refrigeration to brew summer brews.

I bought this and it knocked me on my ass before I realized it was 9.3%

aevert: Beer snob thread!

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The shell casing is a nice touch.

I miss you so much!

Thank Jebus for happy hour pricing on high ABV beers

Bleyo: aevert: Beer snob thread!

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The shell casing is a nice touch.

Could I be anymore redneck? For the record, that "beer" was the most awful beer that ever awfuled.

This should end the debate forever

They just reopened their brewery here in Louisville, welcome home guys!

WTF Indeed

You mean people wanted to get drunk and local brews are normally better than coors, just as cheap, and employ local people?

You'll get no argument from me on the superiority of craft beer, but even remotely comparable on price it is not.

Coors light 24 pack for $16 equals 5.6 cents per oz, which means $0.67 per 12oz can or $1.41 for a 750 ml.

I don't know exactly what craft beer you're drinking, but the stuff I see is easily 1.5-15x that much.

Autarky: This should end the debate forever

I usually don't like to be talked into buying anything. However, I let the guy at the liquor store talk me into buying a six-pack of Hopslam a while back. He said they had just got it in an I'd thank him for it later. So I decided to take him up on it. Holy hell was that good beer! Definitely top 3 best that I have had.

I really don't like these beer snob threads. I think a better discussion would be European vs. American-style micros. This is something my beer snob friends and I debate all the time. And as you can tell from my response above, I am firmly in the American micro camp.

WayToBlue: WTF Indeed

You mean people wanted to get drunk and local brews are normally better than coors, just as cheap, and employ local people?

You'll get no argument from me on the superiority of craft beer, but even remotely comparable on price it is not.

Coors light 24 pack for $16 equals 5.6 cents per oz, which means $0.67 per 12oz can or $1.41 for a 750 ml.

I don't know exactly what craft beer you're drinking, but the stuff I see is easily 1.5-15x that much.

Coors light is only 4.2 ABV, your mileage may very depending on the stupidity of your local alcohol laws. Craft beers can easily be twice that.

Tyrone Biggums: Autarky: This should end the debate forever

I usually don't like to be talked into buying anything. However, I let the guy at the liquor store talk me into buying a six-pack of Hopslam a while back. He said they had just got it in an I'd thank him for it later. So I decided to take him up on it. Holy hell was that good beer! Definitely top 3 best that I have had.


Hopslam is great.

If you see some Bell's Two Hearted Ale you should pick it up, you'll probably like it.

WayToBlue: WTF Indeed

You mean people wanted to get drunk and local brews are normally better than coors, just as cheap, and employ local people?

You'll get no argument from me on the superiority of craft beer, but even remotely comparable on price it is not.

Coors light 24 pack for $16 equals 5.6 cents per oz, which means $0.67 per 12oz can or $1.41 for a 750 ml.

I don't know exactly what craft beer you're drinking, but the stuff I see is easily 1.5-15x that much.

Brew it at home for a fraction of the price of buying Coors.

max_pooper

WayToBlue: WTF Indeed

You mean people wanted to get drunk and local brews are normally better than coors, just as cheap, and employ local people?

You'll get no argument from me on the superiority of craft beer, but even remotely comparable on price it is not.

Coors light 24 pack for $16 equals 5.6 cents per oz, which means $0.67 per 12oz can or $1.41 for a 750 ml.

I don't know exactly what craft beer you're drinking, but the stuff I see is easily 1.5-15x that much.

Coors light is only 4.2 ABV, your mileage may very depending on the stupidity of your local alcohol laws. Craft beers can easily be twice that.

Some of it is higher sure, but I'm not sure I understand the significance to the discussion. I'm buying beer for the taste, not to get drunk.

If I just wanted the most alcohol for my buck I could do far better than beer.

I feel green glass is the only suitable glass to be used in a beer bottle. Nothing fits tight in a rectum like green...er, nothing preserves that fresh hoppy goodness like green glass.

WayToBlue: max_pooper

WayToBlue: WTF Indeed

You mean people wanted to get drunk and local brews are normally better than coors, just as cheap, and employ local people?

You'll get no argument from me on the superiority of craft beer, but even remotely comparable on price it is not.

Coors light 24 pack for $16 equals 5.6 cents per oz, which means $0.67 per 12oz can or $1.41 for a 750 ml.

I don't know exactly what craft beer you're drinking, but the stuff I see is easily 1.5-15x that much.

Coors light is only 4.2 ABV, your mileage may very depending on the stupidity of your local alcohol laws. Craft beers can easily be twice that.

Some of it is higher sure, but I'm not sure I understand the significance to the discussion. I'm buying beer for the taste, not to get drunk.

If I just wanted the most alcohol for my buck I could do far better than beer.

The only reason humans consume alcohol is for the inebriating effects. It's why humans brew beer, make wind and distill liquor. People drink beer because it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling. Even in you drink just one, you feel the effect and you like it. Anyone that says they only drink beer for the taste is full of shiat. If you didn't like the way it made you feel you wouldn't waste money on it. But maybe you're rich and have money to piss away, the only true way to drink beer "only for the taste" is sip and spit.

I love beer. I love good beer. I love the taste of good beer and I especially love how it alerts my state of mind.

max_pooper: The only reason humans consume alcohol is for the inebriating effects. It's why humans brew beer, make wind and distill liquor. People drink beer because it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling. Even in you drink just one, you feel the effect and you like it. Anyone that says they only drink beer for the taste is full of shiat. If you didn't like the way it made you feel you wouldn't waste money on it. But maybe you're rich and have money to piss away, the only true way to drink beer "only for the taste" is sip and spit.

I love beer. I love good beer. I love the taste of good beer and I especially love how it alerts my state of mind.

You live in a very black and white world, don't you.

If I was primarily concerned with how alcohol gives me a buzz, I'd primarily drink hard liquors and save myself a shiatload of money.

I drink beer primarily because of the taste. The inebriating effect is not the main reason, but one of the reasons.

Lando Lincoln: max_pooper: The only reason humans consume alcohol is for the inebriating effects. It's why humans brew beer, make wind and distill liquor. People drink beer because it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling. Even in you drink just one, you feel the effect and you like it. Anyone that says they only drink beer for the taste is full of shiat. If you didn't like the way it made you feel you wouldn't waste money on it. But maybe you're rich and have money to piss away, the only true way to drink beer "only for the taste" is sip and spit.

I love beer. I love good beer. I love the taste of good beer and I especially love how it alerts my state of mind.

You live in a very black and white world, don't you.

If I was primarily concerned with how alcohol gives me a buzz, I'd primarily drink hard liquors and save myself a shiatload of money.

I drink beer primarily because of the taste. The inebriating effect is not the main reason, but one of the reasons.

Indeed. Can't remember the last time I got drunk on beer.

I like the fuzzy feeling. I love the taste.

Got a nice wheat, a Joe Porter (coffee), and a Biere de Garde on tap downstairs. The latter is a real sneaker. Tastes like a light Cream Ale, but it's 8.3%.

Most of the time when I'm drinking out, it's at a McMenamins because my wife loves Ruby. They boil the raspberries, contrary to almost all the advice you'll see on adding berries. Gives it a nice haze. I end up drinking Black Rabbit or Terminator Stout or maybe a seasonal.

I don't really like maltiness or balance. Not going to buy any more beer until someone finally releases a octuple IPA so I can show everyone how much I like beer.

Bruxellensis

WayToBlue: WTF Indeed

You mean people wanted to get drunk and local brews are normally better than coors, just as cheap, and employ local people?

You'll get no argument from me on the superiority of craft beer, but even remotely comparable on price it is not.

Coors light 24 pack for $16 equals 5.6 cents per oz, which means $0.67 per 12oz can or $1.41 for a 750 ml.

I don't know exactly what craft beer you're drinking, but the stuff I see is easily 1.5-15x that much.

Brew it at home for a fraction of the price of buying Coors.

I would suspect that's only true if you don't account for the value of your time and you're not selling it, but I could be wrong.

This post makes it sound like the margin would be at best very thin even ignoring initial setup costs, and he's not even accounting for energy let alone your time which even at minimum wage would blow this out of the water. Economy of scale is a biatch to get around.

Again, don't get me wrong: craft beer and home brewing are awesome. I just don't think you're drinking cheaper than someone who's fine with crap beer.

Now, make something comparable to an expensive craft beer and you could definitely be in the black.

WayToBlue:

This post makes it sound like the margin would be at best very thin even ignoring initial setup costs, and he's not even accounting for energy let alone your time which even at minimum wage would blow this out of the water.

Yeah, it's a terrible idea to take unpaid leave from work to brew beer to save money. I don't think anyone really recommended it, though.

Hopslam is good, but the last few years it hasn't been great. for my money, Bells 2 hearted Ale, and Ballast Point's Sculpin are my 2 favorite beers.

Tourney3p0

WayToBlue:

This post makes it sound like the margin would be at best very thin even ignoring initial setup costs, and he's not even accounting for energy let alone your time which even at minimum wage would blow this out of the water.

Yeah, it's a terrible idea to take unpaid leave from work to brew beer to save money. I don't think anyone really recommended it, though.

Nor did I suggest it. Unpaid leave has nothing to do with it, your time has value. What you consider your time worth is another consideration, but it shouldn't be nothing. Besides, as I said above, ignoring your time, energy costs, initial setup, bottles, etc... it still doesn't look like you'd really be coming out ahead in comparison to cheap beer which was the initial point.

max_pooper: WayToBlue: max_pooper

WayToBlue: WTF Indeed

You mean people wanted to get drunk and local brews are normally better than coors, just as cheap, and employ local people?

You'll get no argument from me on the superiority of craft beer, but even remotely comparable on price it is not.

Coors light 24 pack for $16 equals 5.6 cents per oz, which means $0.67 per 12oz can or $1.41 for a 750 ml.

I don't know exactly what craft beer you're drinking, but the stuff I see is easily 1.5-15x that much.

Coors light is only 4.2 ABV, your mileage may very depending on the stupidity of your local alcohol laws. Craft beers can easily be twice that.

Some of it is higher sure, but I'm not sure I understand the significance to the discussion. I'm buying beer for the taste, not to get drunk.

If I just wanted the most alcohol for my buck I could do far better than beer.

The only reason humans consume alcohol is for the inebriating effects. It's why humans brew beer, make wind and distill liquor. People drink beer because it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling. Even in you drink just one, you feel the effect and you like it. Anyone that says they only drink beer for the taste is full of shiat. If you didn't like the way it made you feel you wouldn't waste money on it. But maybe you're rich and have money to piss away, the only true way to drink beer "only for the taste" is sip and spit.

I love beer. I love good beer. I love the taste of good beer and I especially love how it alerts my state of mind.

You can get more 'wind' out of beans than beer, unless you hold the belches in...
/ work at a new brewery in Richmond, Va.. building, installing & maintaining.. check 'em out on FB or the 'net.... Hardywood Park Craft Brewery.. started in Sept. 2011, already got National recognition on one of their brews..
// don't drink....

Be jelly.

Drink per drink, great craft beer costs less than cheap wine (I'm talking Yellowtail or Gallo, not the really cheap stuff they sell in a jug on the bottom shelf).

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This should end the debate forever

Great beer from my home town! Just got back from a trip north, where we embarked on a brewery tour.
Hit up Shorts, North Peak, Jolly Pumpkin (where they actually brew North Peak), Mackinaw Brewing and Old Boy brewing, on the way back south. Tried to go to Right Brain Brewery but they had moved and weren't opening until a week after we left. It was nice to grow the growler collection.

soooooooo many beer flights


//best vacay EVER

Referring back, way back, to the headline, it looks like people have decided to enjoy a smaller amount of good beer, rather than a larger amount of crap beer. A wise choice.

UseUrHeadFred: Be jelly.

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I would be if I couldn't get Pliny down the street instead of trading or mail-ordering it. ;)

But... karma is a biatch. After bragging about attending that tasting above, I wound up having to miss it. So I'm at home drinking some bourbon.

MugzyBrown: I wish I had refrigeration to brew summer brews.

I'm new to this myself, but a keg tub and lots of ice water should do the trick in lieu of a fridge.

WayToBlue: Some of it is higher sure, but I'm not sure I understand the significance to the discussion. I'm buying beer for the taste, not to get drunk.

If you're buying beer for the taste, why are you buying Coors?

zipdog: Drink per drink, great craft beer costs less than cheap wine (I'm talking Yellowtail or Gallo, not the really cheap stuff they sell in a jug on the bottom shelf).

What do you define as cheap wine? For me, that's $9 to $12.

WayToBlue: Bruxellensis

WayToBlue: WTF Indeed

You mean people wanted to get drunk and local brews are normally better than coors, just as cheap, and employ local people?

You'll get no argument from me on the superiority of craft beer, but even remotely comparable on price it is not.

Coors light 24 pack for $16 equals 5.6 cents per oz, which means $0.67 per 12oz can or $1.41 for a 750 ml.

I don't know exactly what craft beer you're drinking, but the stuff I see is easily 1.5-15x that much.

Brew it at home for a fraction of the price of buying Coors.

I would suspect that's only true if you don't account for the value of your time and you're not selling it, but I could be wrong.

This post makes it sound like the margin would be at best very thin even ignoring initial setup costs, and he's not even accounting for energy let alone your time which even at minimum wage would blow this out of the water. Economy of scale is a biatch to get around.

Again, don't get me wrong: craft beer and home brewing are awesome. I just don't think you're drinking cheaper than someone who's fine with crap beer.

Now, make something comparable to an expensive craft beer and you could definitely be in the black.

Why do I get the feeling that you don't know WTF you're talking about? Because you don't.

Tonight I'm going to to walk over to Cascade Brewing and get an amazing barrel aged sour beer, perhaps a Sang Noir.

/living in Beervana (PDX) is pretty cool, except for my liver
//every other week I discover a new brewery within walking distance.

WayToBlue: Tourney3p0

WayToBlue:

This post makes it sound like the margin would be at best very thin even ignoring initial setup costs, and he's not even accounting for energy let alone your time which even at minimum wage would blow this out of the water.

Yeah, it's a terrible idea to take unpaid leave from work to brew beer to save money. I don't think anyone really recommended it, though.

Nor did I suggest it. Unpaid leave has nothing to do with it, your time has value. What you consider your time worth is another consideration, but it shouldn't be nothing. Besides, as I said above, ignoring your time, energy costs, initial setup, bottles, etc... it still doesn't look like you'd really be coming out ahead in comparison to cheap beer which was the initial point.

1. When you brew beer at home, it's a hobby - a pastime. Do you always charge your time to your hobbies and leisure activities? Do you consider your time-value of jogging, watching TV, surfing the internet, or posting on FARK?
2. Energy costs for homebrewing are near negligible. At most, you are burning a $3-4 of propane or NG for a 10 gallon batch. My electric brewery costs $2.25 per 11 gallon batch in electricity. When you factor in my material costs, energy costs, and post brewing refrigeration, I still pour pints of great quality beer for less than $0.65 per pint of heavier high ABV beers - and around $0.20/pint for lighter ales and lagers.
3. Initial costs are relative. You can get into the hobby for very cheap, or you can go all out. It doesn't require expensive equipment to make good quality beer.
4. Some people get into the hobby for the fun/passion of it, some get into it to save money. Either way, you're going to enjoy it, and you will have beer that best suits your personal tastes for less money than you can pick it off the shelves for.

Bruxellensis: 1. When you brew beer at home, it's a hobby - a pastime. Do you always charge your time to your hobbies and leisure activities? Do you consider your time-value of jogging, watching TV, surfing the internet, or posting on FARK?
2. Energy costs for homebrewing are near negligible. At most, you are burning a $3-4 of propane or NG for a 10 gallon batch. My electric brewery costs $2.25 per 11 gallon batch in electricity. When you factor in my material costs, energy costs, and post brewing refrigeration, I still pour pints of great quality beer for less than $0.65 per pint of heavier high ABV beers - and around $0.20/pint for lighter ales and lagers.
3. Initial costs are relative. You can get into the hobby for very cheap, or you can go all out. It doesn't require expensive equipment to make good quality beer.
4. Some people get into the hobby for the fun/passion of it, some get into it to save money. Either way, you're going to enjoy it, and you will have beer that best suits your personal tastes for less money than you can pick it off the shelves for.

I view my homebrewing as a hobby (which it is). Hobbies, generally, cost money and take up your time. Which is the point of a hobby, really, a time-"waster" that you enjoy. The difference between my hobby and someone else's like say: playing video games, reading, or anything fitness related is that the end of my hobby is delicious, delicious beer. Hooray!

I don't really concern myself with the cost of everything or parsing it out. Most of my equipment has been purchased for me by my wife or family as gifts over the year. So, I wouldn't know how much I have invested in "equipment," but again, just like any other hobby - shiat costs money. That said from just a raw materials perspective, I can produce a little more than two cases of commercial craft beer quality brew for $20-30 a batch depending on gravity, hop amounts, etc...when you consider than an average 6er of craft beer is going to cost you about $8 I'm more than making out on the deal, plus I get to spend my time doing something I love.

The second I started homebrewing I was all-in for life. It combines two of my favorite things: drinking and chemistry.

The Homer Tax: I view my homebrewing as a hobby (which it is). Hobbies, generally, cost money and take up your time. Which is the point of a hobby, really, a time-"waster" that you enjoy. The difference between my hobby and someone else's like say: playing video games, reading, or anything fitness related is that the end of my hobby is delicious, delicious beer. Hooray!

Exactly. Which is why trying to factor in the time-value of your hobby is ridiculous. If you have enough time to watch TV or surf the internet a few hours a day, then you can't honestly "charge" your time for a hobby. Heck, I've donated a lot of my time helping others get started homebrewing even. I just flat out love brewing. And drinking the product of said time and labor.

The Homer Tax: I don't really concern myself with the cost of everything or parsing it out. Most of my equipment has been purchased for me by my wife or family as gifts over the year. So, I wouldn't know how much I have invested in "equipment," but again, just like any other hobby - shiat costs money. That said from just a raw materials perspective, I can produce a little more than two cases of commercial craft beer quality brew for $20-30 a batch depending on gravity, hop amounts, etc...when you consider than an average 6er of craft beer is going to cost you about $8 I'm more than making out on the deal, plus I get to spend my time doing something I love.

Agreed. Having fun and enjoying great quality beer is priority #1 for me; saving money is just a bonus.

The Homer Tax: The second I started homebrewing I was all-in for life. It combines two of my favorite things: drinking and chemistry.

Same here. And, being an engineer, I'm borderline obsessed with process. I've designed my equipment and process to achieve high efficiency, but more for the challenge than to save money. Again, money savings is just a bonus for me on the homebrewing scale. I also buy grain and hops in bulk, and wash my own yeast for propagation and re-pitching. My material costs average to about $15 per 11 gallon batch. I do make the occasional barleywines, imperial porters, IIPAs, etc., which cost more to brew, but still comes out of my taps for a small fraction of what I would pay at the bar or even at the store. Any way you look at it from my perspective, it's a very rewarding hobby. Although I would like to brew pro again sometime. Just looking for the right opportunity.