iheartscotch: Sybarite: Seems like the military has managed to roll back almost every gain made by the revolution and Shafik's election would be the nail in the coffin.

Would you prefer that the Muslim brotherhood won the election? This way, Egypt MIGHT stay secular.

/ both are bad options; one, however, is slightly better than the other


I'm fine with whomever the Egyptian people choose in a free and fair election. Their degree of secularism is their business and would have been hashed out in the constitutional committee had the process been allowed to continue. As mentioned above, the MB are the radical boogeyman that certain shrill sections of the western media want people to believe. They were clearly the dominant choice of the very same people who were out in the streets risking their lives to overthrow Mubarak. Democracy is messy, but it is always preferable to dictatorship, yes even when the results are not what Americans want.

liam76: TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: I'm sure Israeli mobs that tend to get firebomby will wait to see her ID

Yes! because when in Israel there is one incident in Jerusalem where people firebomb a house of illegal work seeking aliens it means in Israel they firebomb black people on a regular basis!

That is standard HotWing logic.

In a muslim country a party leader and presidential candidiate calls for theocracy, and says the following, "The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal. Today we can establish Sharia law because our nation will acquire well-being only with Islam and Sharia. The Muslim Brothers and the Freedom and Justice Party will be the conductors of these goals." And he interprets that as democracy.

Are they participating in an election or not?


In Israel we get one group of nutballs firebombing a house and that means they will do it to every person.

Yes, totally isolated incident. The government isn't constructing massive holding pens for black people or anything.

Ned Stark: What exactly is undemocratic about what he said?

If you need help to comprehend what islamic rule means based on Sharia i suggest Google.

TappingTheVein: Thank you for proving your ignorance once again because: 1. Eli Yishai never said Most of those "people arriving here are Muslims who think the country doesn't belong to us, the white man", it was a very colorful interpetation of Human Rights Watch

HAhahaha

You sound like an Ahmadinejad supporter.

"He didn't really say he wants the death of Israel, it was more nuanced."

HotWingConspiracy: I get it bro.

Great, now explain to me how a muslim ruled Egypt under Sharia based law is democratic.

It's a pyramid scheme.

TappingTheVein: No, I'm not OK about breaking the law in any case.

And yes you clearly are, you've already given it sanction by pointing out its only done to "illegals", and if you aren't one you'll be fine.

JackieRabbit: spentmiles: JackieRabbit: Isn't Arab Spring air so fresh and calming?

spentmiles: Better than having a bunch of militant Islamic whack balls in charge.

Yes, militant Ismamic whack glands will do just fine for now, don't you thing, spentmiles?

Masturbate much?

Is using two hands considered much?

I'd say you are going a tad bit overboard.

iheartscotch: Sybarite: Seems like the military has managed to roll back almost every gain made by the revolution and Shafik's election would be the nail in the coffin.

Would you prefer that the Muslim brotherhood won the election? This way, Egypt MIGHT stay secular.

/ both are bad options; one, however, is slightly better than the other

this sounds too familiar

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: I get it bro.

Great, now explain to me how a muslim ruled Egypt under Sharia based law is democratic.


Can you tell me what part of running a candidate in an election is anti-democracy?

HotWingConspiracy: HAhahaha

You sound like an Ahmadinejad supporter.

Correcting your ignorance makes me sound like Ahmadinejad ? hey whatever you say if that's all you got.

You obviously didn't know he was a mizrahi jew and the "white man" nonsense is taken from Human Rights Watch colorful interpolation of this article, where he never said anything of the sort.

Sybarite: I'm fine with whomever the Egyptian people choose in a free and fair election.

The point of the Supreme court was that it wasn't a "fair" election. There were a number of seats that were supposed to go to non-party affiliated peopel that went to the MB. Not saying I agree with their ruling because I don't know enough about it.


Sybarite: Their degree of secularism is their business and would have been hashed out in the constitutional committee had the process been allowed to continue. As mentioned above, the MB are not the radical boogeyman that certain shrill sections of the western media want people to believe. They were clearly the dominant choice of the very same people who were out in the streets risking their lives to overthrow Mubarak.

I am guessing you wanted the "not" in there. And I am going to have to disagree with you. They are only moderate when contrasted with the muslim extremists in the country. They are still for Sharia law, death penalty for blasphemy, homosexuality, etc.

I am also going to have to disagree with your last point. Most of the people who stepped out against Mubarak were not MB supporters. Most of their support comes from rural areas and un-educated, those weren't the main part fo the revolution.

They were the "dominant" choice in parlimiant only because the other groups were so fragmented.

Sybarite: Democracy is messy, but it is always preferable to dictatorship, yes even when the results are not what Americans want

A dictatorship is no different than a theocracy, and deomcracy can vote in either.

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: HAhahaha

You sound like an Ahmadinejad supporter.

Correcting your ignorance makes me sound like Ahmadinejad ? hey whatever you say if that's all you got.

You obviously didn't know he was a mizrahi jew and the "white man" nonsense is taken from Human Rights Watch colorful interpolation of this article, where he never said anything of the sort.

Yeah man, it's a conspiracy.

liam76: Ned Stark: What exactly is undemocratic about what he said?

If you vote in a theocracy (which the MB wasnts) the country is no longer democratic.

Que?

A government that gets voted in is democratic regardless of what they do. Sometimes people vote for things you might like

HotWingConspiracy: Are they participating in an election or not?

Yes, however one election cycle doesn't make a country a democracy forever.

HotWingConspiracy: And yes you clearly are, you've already given it sanction by pointing out its only done to "illegals"

I never "given it sanction", i pointed out the facts to correct your usual ignorance. The people who did it should be thrown in prison.

HotWingConspiracy: Can you tell me what part of running a candidate in an election is anti-democracy?

Running a candidate ? very democratic. When said candidate is the polar opposite of democracy the result is not exactly democratic which is the point you seem to have difficulty with.

Not like. Hurr

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah man, it's a conspiracy.

Dude, ask a Hebrew speaker or something to translate it for you. He never said anything about "the white man", it's the very Israel-friendly Human Rights Watch colorful interpretation. I personally find it hilarious that you didn't know he was a mizrahi jew, which is not exactly "the white man" himself.
It's not a conspiracy, it's you being a retard.

Ned Stark: liam76: Ned Stark: What exactly is undemocratic about what he said?

If you vote in a theocracy (which the MB wasnts) the country is no longer democratic.

Que?

A government that gets voted in is democratic regardless of what they do. Sometimes people vote for things you might like

It may be a democratic vote that turns a democracy into a thoecracy or dictatorship, bu once that happens it is no longer a democracy.

liam76: Ned Stark: liam76: Ned Stark: What exactly is undemocratic about what he said?

If you vote in a theocracy (which the MB wasnts) the country is no longer democratic.

Que?

A government that gets voted in is democratic regardless of what they do. Sometimes people vote for things you might like

It may be a democratic vote that turns a democracy into a thoecracy or dictatorship, bu once that happens it is no longer a democracy.

Well then that would be something for Egyptians to deal with when the next election never comes around. Right now its just you wanking over a military coup.

liam76: HotWingConspiracy: Are they participating in an election or not?

Yes, however one election cycle doesn't make a country a democracy forever.

Never claimed it did. But there is no escaping that they are currently participating in a democratic process.

The true test would be them moving forward with another fair election on time should they gain power. I'm not a bigot or a racist, so I'm not prejudging.

So this is the "Muslims can't have democracy" thread, right?

TappingTheVein: Running a candidate ? very democratic. When said candidate is the polar opposite of democracy the result is not exactly democratic which is the point you seem to have difficulty with.

Sorry, you make no sense. The polar opposite would be them saying fark the election, we're getting guns and taking it.

Your *ahem* feelings towards certain populations is leading you to believe you can predict the future. It was a funny Chappelle skit, but no way to live life.

NemoD: So this is the "Muslims can't have democracy" thread, right?

I tihnk it's more the "Muslims don't want democracy so electing Muslims isn't democratic" thread.

Ned Stark: liam76: Ned Stark: liam76: Ned Stark: What exactly is undemocratic about what he said?

If you vote in a theocracy (which the MB wasnts) the country is no longer democratic.

Que?

A government that gets voted in is democratic regardless of what they do. Sometimes people vote for things you might like

It may be a democratic vote that turns a democracy into a thoecracy or dictatorship, bu once that happens it is no longer a democracy.

Well then that would be something for Egyptians to deal with when the next election never comes around. Right now its just you wanking over a military coup.

First off I didn't say I support this.


If the next election never comes, or the candidiates have to pass some religious test, etc it is a little late.


HotWingConspiracy: Never claimed it did. But there is no escaping that they are currently participating in a democratic process.

In a democratic process where they broke the rules they agreed upon.

HotWingConspiracy: The true test would be them moving forward with another fair election on time should they gain power. I'm not a bigot or a racist, so I'm not prejudging

I am not prejudging the MB, I am going off what they actually say.

You aren't a bigot or a racist, yet you like to pretedn that Israeli's thor firebombs at black peopel on such a regular basis that black people should be afraid to go there? Ok.

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah man, it's a conspiracy.

Dude, ask a Hebrew speaker or something to translate it for you. He never said anything about "the white man", it's the very Israel-friendly Human Rights Watch colorful interpretation.

Sure. I'll wait to see the retraction printed in countless articles. Should be any day.

I personally find it hilarious that you didn't know he was a mizrahi jew, which is not exactly "the white man" himself.

HotWingConspiracy: Sorry, you make no sense.

It makes perfect sense, you are clueless about the Muslim Brotherhood as well, among other things as evident by this thread.

HotWingConspiracy: Your *ahem* feelings towards certain populations is leading you to believe you can predict the future. It was a funny Chappelle skit, but no way to live life.

Unlike you i understand what Islamic theocracy means and how it differs from democracy.

HAHA! I love the sign with the "biatch please" face! I wonder what the sign says?

/1:57 mark of main video

liam76: You aren't a bigot or a racist, yet you like to pretedn that Israeli's thor firebombs at black peopel on such a regular basis that black people should be afraid to go there? Ok.

What the fark is this shiat?

Point out the bigotry and racism.

Also, what is the threshold for regular/uncommon firebombing? Do you think it's an important distinction when you're the target? Should the other violence be ignored?

palelizard: NemoD: So this is the "Muslims can't have democracy" thread, right?

I tihnk it's more the "Muslims don't want democracy so electing Muslims isn't democratic" thread.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ jun/15/egypt-mohamed-elbaradei-w a rning

Electing muslims is. Electing a group that will do away with democracy isn't.

I am not a fan of the generals keeping power now, but even Egyptians know the other choice is also a shiat sandwhich.

HotWingConspiracy: Sure. I'll wait to see the retraction printed in countless articles. Should be any day.

Why should there be a retraction about something he never said ?

TappingTheVein: Thank you for proving your ignorance once again because: 1. Eli Yishai never said Most of those "people arriving here are Muslims who think the country doesn't belong to us, the white man", it was a very colorful interpetation of Human Rights Watch and 2. Eli Yishai is a mizrahi jew, himself not exactly "the white man".


It was translated that way also by Haaretz:
"Muslims that arrive here do not even believe that this country belongs to us, to the white man."


He looks vaguely greek:

liam76: You aren't a bigot or a racist, yet you like to pretedn that Israeli's thor firebombs at black peopel on such a regular basis that black people should be afraid to go there? Ok.

Now all I can think of is Chris Hemsworth with forelocks and a yarmulke, waving a hammer and throwing fire from the sky. He's drunk on manischewitz.

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: Sorry, you make no sense.

It makes perfect sense, you are clueless about the Muslim Brotherhood as well, among other things as evident by this thread.

Yes yes, I'm a big dummy. I've got you pegged though.

HotWingConspiracy: Your *ahem* feelings towards certain populations is leading you to believe you can predict the future. It was a funny Chappelle skit, but no way to live life.

Unlike you i understand what Islamic theocracy means and how it differs from democracy.

Your folks must be proud.

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: Sure. I'll wait to see the retraction printed in countless articles. Should be any day.

Why should there be a retraction about something he never said ?

Well if all these publications have misquoted him, I'd expect they'd want to set the record straight.

Fano:
Everytime I see Muslim Brotherhood I think they should be led by either Kane or Magneto, but I can't decide which.

Big Daddy Kane, of course

Cubicle Jockey: TappingTheVein: Thank you for proving your ignorance once again because: 1. Eli Yishai never said Most of those "people arriving here are Muslims who think the country doesn't belong to us, the white man", it was a very colorful interpetation of Human Rights Watch and 2. Eli Yishai is a mizrahi jew, himself not exactly "the white man".


It was translated that way also by Haaretz:
"Muslims that arrive here do not even believe that this country belongs to us, to the white man."


He looks vaguely greek:
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No, I can't see that guy identifying as white. He looks like Yaphet Koto.

liam76: palelizard: NemoD: So this is the "Muslims can't have democracy" thread, right?

I tihnk it's more the "Muslims don't want democracy so electing Muslims isn't democratic" thread.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ jun/15/egypt-mohamed-elbaradei-w a rning

Electing muslims is. Electing a group that will do away with democracy isn't.

I am not a fan of the generals keeping power now, but even Egyptians know the other choice is also a shiat sandwhich.

Which is why the other choice won the election.

HotWingConspiracy: liam76: You aren't a bigot or a racist, yet you like to pretedn that Israeli's thor firebombs at black peopel on such a regular basis that black people should be afraid to go there? Ok.

What the fark is this shiat?

Point out the bigotry and racism.

Well if you aren't a bigot or racist, why make the implication that you did? What possible other explination would you paint all of Israel with that brush but not use similiar brush when Egypt does the same thing?


HotWingConspiracy: Also, what is the threshold for regular/uncommon firebombing? Do you think it's an important distinction when you're the target? Should the other violence be ignored

Funny I don't see you warning any christians against going to Egypt despite the far greater number of firebombings of christian groups there. I am sure it isn't becasue you have a double standard though...

Cubicle Jockey: It was translated that way also by Haaretz:
"Muslims that arrive here do not even believe that this country belongs to us, to the white man."

Haaretz, a hard-leftist paper not exactl a fan of his political party, used the colorful interpretation of Human Rights Watch. I linked the original article from Maariv, the one they "translated" where he never said anything of the sort.

Not to mention that he himself is not "the white man" being a mizrahi jew so it would be kinda counter-productive for him to say that.

HotWingConspiracy: Well if all these publications have misquoted him, I'd expect they'd want to set the record straight

I doubt it when the original Maariv article has no mention of anything resembling "the white man" in it.

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: Well if all these publications have misquoted him, I'd expect they'd want to set the record straight

I doubt it when the original Maariv article has no mention of anything resembling "the white man" in it.

How woudl you translate what he said.

liam76: HotWingConspiracy: liam76: You aren't a bigot or a racist, yet you like to pretedn that Israeli's thor firebombs at black peopel on such a regular basis that black people should be afraid to go there? Ok.

What the fark is this shiat?

Point out the bigotry and racism.

Well if you aren't a bigot or racist, why make the implication that you did? What possible other explination would you paint all of Israel with that brush but not use similiar brush when Egypt does the same thing?

I seriously can't discern what the fark this is. I don't even know how to answer. I guess I'll just ask you to point out the bigotry and racism again?


HotWingConspiracy: Also, what is the threshold for regular/uncommon firebombing? Do you think it's an important distinction when you're the target? Should the other violence be ignored

Funny I don't see you warning any christians against going to Egypt despite the far greater number of firebombings of christian groups there. I am sure it isn't becasue you have a double standard though...

Tapping already took care of the Egyptian travel warning, that would have been redundant.

HotWingConspiracy: Yes yes, I'm a big dummy. I've got you pegged though.

Thanks for the laugh, man. Yes you know your shiat as evident by this thread.

HotWingConspiracy: Your folks must be proud.

Well, it is better than saying "have nothing" so you got that going for you.
Which is nice.

liam76: Electing muslims is. Electing a group that will do away with democracy isn't.

I am not a fan of the generals keeping power now, but even Egyptians know the other choice is also a shiat sandwhich.

Eh, I think folks might be splitting hairs on the definition of 'democratic'. Electing anyone is democratic, but what the group does afterwards might not be. If they're open about what they want to do, and the majority of people elect them, it's hard to say they aren't representing their constituency.

The military enforcing the law seems less democratic but saner, from an outsider's view. I don't think Egypt's going to end up a proper western democracy any time soon. The religious fundamentalism is pretty much only countered by the military's control, and unlike a European or American nation, democracy isn't really an ingrained cultural habit.

They'll likely elect someone who will move them away from democracy, which is what they appear to want, which under an interpretation of the word, is actually democratic.

AllUpInYa: Fano:
Everytime I see Muslim Brotherhood I think they should be led by either Kane or Magneto, but I can't decide which.

Big Daddy Kane, of course

No brainer. Magneto probably wouldn't take to kindly to their stances on Jewish folks.

liam76: Yes, however one election cycle doesn't make a country a democracy forever.

That's a great point, when the power factions dissolved the democratically elected parliament because they didn't like the results, they were protecting democracy.

lulz

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: Yes yes, I'm a big dummy. I've got you pegged though.

Thanks for the laugh, man. Yes you know your shiat as evident by this thread.

You've done nothing to counter except lean on your pre-established bias against Muslims and a conspiracy.

HotWingConspiracy: Your folks must be proud.

Well, it is better than saying "have nothing" so you got that going for you.
Which is nice.

I was just dismissing your appeal to your special knowledge as the pap that it is.

chuggernaught: Meet the new boss, etc.

yep. corruption doesn't get rid of itself overnight or even over a revolution.

liam76: How woudl you translate what he said.

He was talking about zionism, not the "white man". The whole "white man" bit came from this video of illegal immigrants in Tel-Aviv.