Windows RT is going to be an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions. I mean, hell, people are going to buy this thing and think that it's going to run their PC and laptop programs, and then they're going to take it home and realize that it doesn't run any PC or laptop programs at all.

They had something that could have given Apple a decent run for its money,
but they cancelled development of it just months before the launch of the iPad. They deserve their failure due to their shortsightedness.

It really was a "Guitar groups are on their way out" moment for Sweaty Balmer.

I liked my Zune... until the Samsung Galaxy Player was finally released, now the Zune's collecting dust next to my ancient iPod Photo.

Still want Tiki Torches for Android, though.

so
um
the new MS thing will run android?
with native support for word and excel?

no?

YAWN

will it have an integrated app store? for one stop shopping?
NO?

meh

/I dont even have an iPad ... but why would I buy the 3rd best and worst option ????

The Onion is prophetic: I liked my Zune... until the Samsung Galaxy Player was finally released, now the Zune's collecting dust next to my ancient iPod Photo.

Does that one require specific software be installed, like the Zune and iProducts do, or can it simply mount as a drive like my Android phone?

namatad: so
um
the new MS thing will run android?
with native support for word and excel?

no?

YAWN

will it have an integrated app store? for one stop shopping?
NO?

meh

/I dont even have an iPad ... but why would I buy the 3rd best and worst option ????

I think they are going to have word and excel versions, AND they do have an app store. You might want to look into it.

For once I agree with the MS haters. This thing is a terrible idea, as is the whole Windows 8 thing.

However I also think the iPad is f*cking retarded.

/"the" iPad, dumbassmitter
//it's "the" iPad
/it's not an intelligent entity or a place, it's a thing

RexTalionis: Windows RT is going to be an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions. I mean, hell, people are going to buy this thing and think that it's going to run their PC and laptop programs, and then they're going to take it home and realize that it doesn't run any PC or laptop programs at all.

Only if it's on an ARM based system. Otherwise It'll run whatever.

namatad: so
um
the new MS thing will run android?
with native support for word and excel?

no?

YAWN

will it have an integrated app store? for one stop shopping?
NO?

meh

/I dont even have an iPad ... but why would I buy the 3rd best and worst option ????

There is an app store that microsoft has created that developers can upload apps and sell to consumers for windows 8.

RexTalionis: Windows RT is going to be an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions. I mean, hell, people are going to buy this thing and think that it's going to run their PC and laptop programs, and then they're going to take it home and realize that it doesn't run any PC or laptop programs at all.

I do however fully expect consumers to have another Vista moment even if it's not totally deserved.

timujin: The Onion is prophetic: I liked my Zune... until the Samsung Galaxy Player was finally released, now the Zune's collecting dust next to my ancient iPod Photo.

Does that one require specific software be installed, like the Zune and iProducts do, or can it simply mount as a drive like my Android phone?

It's identical to the Samsung Galaxy phone, except it doesn't have phone capabilities. So anything you can do to the Android phones, you can do to the Player.

I don't care what anyone says, I love my 80 gig Zune.

If MS is going to do tablets, the right way to do it is to use their massive leverage to make one model in-house, with a tightly controlled supply line. It's the one difference between the iOS ecosystem and the Android ecosystem which seems to have made the biggest difference, long run. Essentially, emulating Apple's supply line can result in at least one good, tightly-built tablet.

Let's see, MS can either emulate the iPad strategy (unified hardware + OS) or the Android tablet strategy. I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to try the losing strategy. I'm not saying it's going to be a success, but if you're going to emulate someone, at least pick the winner.

Is it impossible to find a high capacity "just an MP3 player" any more?

I don't want movies, I don't want games, I just want to take a huge amount of music with me.

I would want a 1920x1200 tablet that can run Windows/Office/etc, is quick to turn on/off, and has good battery life. I don't like how the latest iPad and Macbook Pro use resolutions that don't really have much native content.

/oblig
//Zune thread?

LasersHurt: If MS is going to do tablets, the right way to do it is to use their massive leverage to make one model in-house, with a tightly controlled supply line. It's the one difference between the iOS ecosystem and the Android ecosystem which seems to have made the biggest difference, long run. Essentially, emulating Apple's supply line can result in at least one good, tightly-built tablet.

Isn't Nokia essentially their in-house hardware division right now? Why built it yourself when you have an OEM that is basically your biatch right now?

timujin: The Onion is prophetic: I liked my Zune... until the Samsung Galaxy Player was finally released, now the Zune's collecting dust next to my ancient iPod Photo.

Does that one require specific software be installed, like the Zune and iProducts do, or can it simply mount as a drive like my Android phone?

Its an Android phone without 'the phone', you can mount as a drive. An ipod without itunes if you will.

The Zune was better than the iPod in every measurable way....

Except commercials. It didn't have snappy commercials or a religion.

Mad_Radhu: LasersHurt: If MS is going to do tablets, the right way to do it is to use their massive leverage to make one model in-house, with a tightly controlled supply line. It's the one difference between the iOS ecosystem and the Android ecosystem which seems to have made the biggest difference, long run. Essentially, emulating Apple's supply line can result in at least one good, tightly-built tablet.

Isn't Nokia essentially their in-house hardware division right now? Why built it yourself when you have an OEM that is basically your biatch right now?

I think Nokia just axed all those people....

Mad_Radhu: LasersHurt: If MS is going to do tablets, the right way to do it is to use their massive leverage to make one model in-house, with a tightly controlled supply line. It's the one difference between the iOS ecosystem and the Android ecosystem which seems to have made the biggest difference, long run. Essentially, emulating Apple's supply line can result in at least one good, tightly-built tablet.

Isn't Nokia essentially their in-house hardware division right now? Why built it yourself when you have an OEM that is basically your biatch right now?

Nokia's expertise is phones, not tablets. They're also folding hard and fast, so I don't know how that will pan out long term. I suspect they'd be a lot better off going it alone.

sure haven't:
This thing is a terrible idea, as is the whole Windows 8 thing.


I was going to hold off judgement on Windows 8 and the metro UI until I saw that shiat show up in the Server 2012 RC.

What possible reason could there be to have metro running on server?

DjangoStonereaver: They had something that could have given Apple a decent run for its money,
but they cancelled development of it just months before the launch of the iPad. They deserve their failure due to their shortsightedness.

It really was a "Guitar groups are on their way out" moment for Sweaty Balmer.

Thhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis sssssssssssss. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ xEleventyBrazillion

FTFA: "Tired of losing ground to the iPad, Microsoft is poised to serve up its own entry in the suddenly booming tablet market."

Where the hell has this writer been for the past 18 months?

LasersHurt: Nokia's expertise is phones, not tablets. They're also folding hard and fast, so I don't know how that will pan out long term. I suspect they'd be a lot better off going it alone.

They have done tablets in the past, before it was cool.



Also, most tablets these days are overgrown phones from a design and manufacturing standpoint, so it doesn't seem like they'd have any problems making a flagship Win RT tablet that was as good or better than what Microsoft can do on their own. If MS went it alone and made their own tablet, it'd be a real slap in the face to Nokia.

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: I don't care what anyone says, I love my 80 gig Zune.



pretty much this. I never understood the hate for the Zune. Works fine for me.

Mad_Radhu: LasersHurt: Nokia's expertise is phones, not tablets. They're also folding hard and fast, so I don't know how that will pan out long term. I suspect they'd be a lot better off going it alone.

They have done tablets in the past, before it was cool.

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Also, most tablets these days are overgrown phones from a design and manufacturing standpoint, so it doesn't seem like they'd have any problems making a flagship Win RT tablet that was as good or better than what Microsoft can do on their own. If MS went it alone and made their own tablet, it'd be a real slap in the face to Nokia.

I suspect we'll find out Monday with MS' big special event, either way.

FTA: They could focus more energy around Android,

FeedTheCollapse: Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: I don't care what anyone says, I love my 80 gig Zune.



pretty much this. I never understood the hate for the Zune. Works fine for me.

It's not "hate", it just was a failure. Companies don't consider something success or failure based only on what you think about it.

codergirl42: RexTalionis: Windows RT is going to be an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions. I mean, hell, people are going to buy this thing and think that it's going to run their PC and laptop programs, and then they're going to take it home and realize that it doesn't run any PC or laptop programs at all.

Only if it's on an ARM based system. Otherwise It'll run whatever.

Well, yeah. Windows RT is only for the ARM systems.

Zune turned into Windows Phone... Windows Phone has been quite successful it seems.

DjangoStonereaver: They had something that could have given Apple a decent run for its money,
but they cancelled development of it just months before the launch of the iPad. They deserve their failure due to their shortsightedness.

It really was a "Guitar groups are on their way out" moment for Sweaty Balmer.

Yep, that one still hurts. I would buy one of those in an instant. God that was so dumb. MS's world cup losing own goal.

And they STILL are totally neglecting ink. I've been in microsoft stores, the people working there have tablets sitting out, and no pens! WTF? I asked them about it and they either had no clue or mumbled something about not wanting them stolen. From about 2004-2009 when I was in meetings people would see me using OneNote and shiat their pants with excitement. Then they would decide they didn't want to spend $2000 on a computer that did that.

I'm gonna laugh so hard when, a year from now, Samsung has sold a bajillion Android tablets with s-pens and wacom digitizers, and Microsoft's non-ink friendly phone and tablet lines are sucking wind.

They'll be teaching this whiff in b-schools for decades, like IBM agreeing to the deal with MS, or Xerox giving Apple the GUI.

Cooper420: Zune turned into Windows Phone... Windows Phone has been quite successful it seems.

It has? Less than 10% of the market is successful?

Step 1: Mock Apple for the direction they took.
Step 2: Copy that exact same direction.
Step 3: Damage control for knock off product that does not sell as well.*

*Yes, sometimes like the Windows Phone, their product is actually better.

If anyone could outdo apple, it's probably Microsoft.
Make a tablet that's cheaper, or more adaptable, or more open to third party software, or with more features, or with expansion possibilities, and even make one with all those things.


...but because it's Microsoft, I've got a bad feeling they just want to make an iPad of their own.

/Cloning the bad with the good.
/Which would have them losing the style war just because hipsters hate suits.

sure haven't: /"the" iPad, dumbassmitter
//it's "the" iPad
/it's not an intelligent entity or a place, it's a thing

Pull plug outta your butt. It is headline, they leave out "a, an, and the" sometimes. There are whole languages that don't even use those near-worthless "parts of speech".

Corvus: FTA: They could focus more energy around Android,
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Oh now I see they were talking about hardware manufacturers not MS. Holy crap this article is written poorly.

Corvus: Cooper420: Zune turned into Windows Phone... Windows Phone has been quite successful it seems.

It has? Less than 10% of the market is successful?

10% in more or less one generation. And most people who own them say that they are nice, just if they were more popular they'd have more apps, etc. Now they'll merge into an ecosystem shared, for users, across their PC, tablet, and xbox. App development will increase, hopefully, and the whole ecosystem flourishes.

This is, of course, all in theory. They have to execute it will. But there's a ton of promise there.

Corvus: Cooper420: Zune turned into Windows Phone... Windows Phone has been quite successful it seems.

It has? Less than 10% of the market is successful?

It would be nice if Microsoft made more of an effort to make their phones available. I wasn't too thrilled with my Droid and didn't want an iPhone but since Verizon had one fairly crappy Windows phone available I went with a Samsung.

Makh: Step 1: Mock Apple for the direction they took.
Step 2: Copy that exact same direction.
Step 3: Damage control for knock off product that does not sell as well.*

*Yes, sometimes like the Windows Phone, their product is actually better.

I love these threads because they work in a similar fashion

Step 1: Apple comes out with something - Apple haters say it's stupid and why would anyone want this (see iPod, iPhone, iPads or even Nintendo wii with motion control)

Step 2: MS rips off what they did,

Step 3: The same people who said it was a "gimmick" and a stupid idea tell everyone home much better the MS version is.

LasersHurt: Corvus: Cooper420: Zune turned into Windows Phone... Windows Phone has been quite successful it seems.

It has? Less than 10% of the market is successful?

10% in more or less one generation. And most people who own them say that they are nice, just if they were more popular they'd have more apps, etc. Now they'll merge into an ecosystem shared, for users, across their PC, tablet, and xbox. App development will increase, hopefully, and the whole ecosystem flourishes.

This is, of course, all in theory. They have to execute it will. But there's a ton of promise there.

Ok. But that still not "success" saying "It has potential" and saying it is "quite successful" is nowhere close to being the same thing. You are changing the goal posts.

RexTalionis: codergirl42: RexTalionis: Windows RT is going to be an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions. I mean, hell, people are going to buy this thing and think that it's going to run their PC and laptop programs, and then they're going to take it home and realize that it doesn't run any PC or laptop programs at all.

Only if it's on an ARM based system. Otherwise It'll run whatever.

Well, yeah. Windows RT is only for the ARM systems.

And if a consumer buys one without researching the product he is going to buy how is that microsofts fault? Consumers should be educated about what thier buying. It's not the responsibility of Microsoft to hand hold a bunch of idiots who just want to buy something becuase it's new and looks cool.

Scott Johnson (podcaster, frog pants, lots of fun, look him up), had a hilarious "impression" about Microsoft, which would apply here too. I'll paraphrase (badly):

Microsoft: "Hey look, everybody! We have a smart phone too! I know we said we though Steve Jobs was stupid for trying to make a phone, but hey! ours has a touchscreen too! What's this Android thing....well, shiat!"

Corvus:
Ok. But that still not "success" saying "It has potential" and saying it is "quite successful" is nowhere close to being the same thing. You are changing the goal posts.

Mac fans did do that first too.

Corvus: LasersHurt: Corvus: Cooper420: Zune turned into Windows Phone... Windows Phone has been quite successful it seems.

It has? Less than 10% of the market is successful?

10% in more or less one generation. And most people who own them say that they are nice, just if they were more popular they'd have more apps, etc. Now they'll merge into an ecosystem shared, for users, across their PC, tablet, and xbox. App development will increase, hopefully, and the whole ecosystem flourishes.

This is, of course, all in theory. They have to execute it will. But there's a ton of promise there.

Ok. But that still not "success" saying "It has potential" and saying it is "quite successful" is nowhere close to being the same thing. You are changing the goal posts.

Huh? I'm not the first guy, nor am I defending his assertion. Just adding to the conversation.

peterthx: Corvus:
Ok. But that still not "success" saying "It has potential" and saying it is "quite successful" is nowhere close to being the same thing. You are changing the goal posts.

Mac fans did do that first too.

What the hell. This isn't sports. Stop thinking you on a team. It's just a product you buy.

STOP IDENTIFYING YOURSELF BASED ON THE shiat YOU BUY!!

Holy crap, you people are idiots.

Corvus: Cooper420: Zune turned into Windows Phone... Windows Phone has been quite successful it seems.

It has? Less than 10% of the market is successful?

Well, it's all relative. Windows Phone is wildly successful compared to Microsoft's previous attempt at making a phone.

LasersHurt: Corvus: LasersHurt: Corvus: Cooper420: Zune turned into Windows Phone... Windows Phone has been quite successful it seems.

It has? Less than 10% of the market is successful?

10% in more or less one generation. And most people who own them say that they are nice, just if they were more popular they'd have more apps, etc. Now they'll merge into an ecosystem shared, for users, across their PC, tablet, and xbox. App development will increase, hopefully, and the whole ecosystem flourishes.

This is, of course, all in theory. They have to execute it will. But there's a ton of promise there.

Ok. But that still not "success" saying "It has potential" and saying it is "quite successful" is nowhere close to being the same thing. You are changing the goal posts.

Huh? I'm not the first guy, nor am I defending his assertion. Just adding to the conversation.

Great then start your own conversation then if it doesn't actually apply to the discussion being made.