A good argument can be made the Soviet Union fell because of a large central government dictating production of goods and services not the market and of course Reagan. The problem using that thought with Kansas is the 100 or so people that live in Kansas and there relationship to local governments means the gulf between want of a project to be funded by bonds and the will of the people is only separated by a fence to the Mayor's home and the Mayor always swims in the same pond with a drink in his hand and is available.

eurotrader: A good argument can be made the Soviet Union fell because of a large central government dictating production of goods and services not the market and of course Reagan. The problem using that thought with Kansas is the 100 or so people that live in Kansas and there relationship to local governments means the gulf between want of a project to be funded by bonds and the will of the people is only separated by a fence to the Mayor's home and the Mayor always swims in the same pond with a drink in his hand and is available.

Communist hellhole?
Sounds about half right.

Blind adherance to an outdated social philosophy would NEVER lead to a
complete systemic collapse!

Except for the Communist part she is right.

She said it was a way for the federal government to force health care reform on Kansas

She obviously hasn't tried to buy health insurance lately. It kills me when douchebags like this with gold plated state sponsored health care plans tell us we don't need health care reform.

O'Hara also used the radio show Friday to attack moderate senators for voting to increase education funding in the state

I don't even know where to start with that.

Funny how she doesn't mention farm subsidies.

Charlotte O'Hara?

FTFA: After Ashby said that the program -- which allows local governments to issues bonds for development projects -- has government dictating business conditions instead of the free market, O'Hara made her comparison.

So...no development projects then? Or are businesses supposed to do that for free?

Isn't Kansas already worse than Russia right after the collapse of Communism?

"As God is my witness, as God is my witness they're not going to lick me. I'm going to live through this and when it's all over, I'll never be sane again. No, nor any of my folk. If I have to lie, steal, cheat or kill. As God is my witness, I'll never be sane again!"

Marcus Aurelius: O'Hara also used the radio show Friday to attack moderate senators for voting to increase education funding in the state

I don't even know where to start with that.

It always struck me as funny that supply-side Republicans are against education - one of the few things supply-side economics says actually DOES grow the economy.

eurotrader: A good argument can be made the Soviet Union fell because of a large central government....

Except it was the prolonged war in Afghanistan that bled them dry of cash....kinda like......

cretinbob: eurotrader: A good argument can be made the Soviet Union fell because of a large central government....

Except it was the prolonged war in Afghanistan that bled them dry of cash....kinda like......

Their problems were systemic. The war in Afghanistan was not very expensive, relatively speaking. To blame it on Afghanistan is like saying a gambling addict who lost big in craps, blackjack, and roulette went broke because he blew his last $1000 on a slot machine.

Kansas will collapse?

cretinbob [TotalFark]
Except it was the prolonged war in Afghanistan that bled them dry of cash....kinda like......


That was a central government decision, there is no way any market force or commonsense for that matter would cause an invasion of Afghanistan and to keep a military force there other than contractors wanting to redistribute the wealth of a nation to themselves. There is absolutely nothing useful there for the world market, let Iran and Pakistan argue about who should control the 12th century in that area.

"Senator Apple voted for that and he does not know what true economic development is," O'Hara said of her opponent's vote for STAR Bonds.

While that may or may not be true, she doesn't understand what Communism is or the actual reasons the Soviet Union collapsed.

eurotrader: A good argument can be made the Soviet Union fell because of a large central government dictating production of goods and services not the market and of course Reagan.

I'm with you until the last bit.

eurotrader: cretinbob [TotalFark]
Except it was the prolonged war in Afghanistan that bled them dry of cash....kinda like......


That was a central government decision, there is no way any market force or commonsense for that matter would cause an invasion of Afghanistan and to keep a military force there other than contractors wanting to redistribute the wealth of a nation to themselves. There is absolutely nothing useful there for the world market, let Iran and Pakistan argue about who should control the 12th century in that area.

Sure there is. Defense contractors make a killing off of wars.

Some conservatives really do live in their own little paranoid fantasy world, don't they.

I am positive that local bonds for projects destroyed the Soviet Union. That sewer upgrade in Minsk was the last straw.

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Some conservatives really do live in their own little paranoid fantasy world, don't they.

It's not her own little world. She has to share it with the rest of Overland Park.

Almira Gulch, just because you own half the county doesn't mean that you have the power to run the rest of us. For twenty-three years, I've been dying to tell you what I thought of you! And now... well, being a Christian woman, I can't say it!

One person owning half a county? That isn't Communism.

rumpelstiltskin: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Some conservatives really do live in their own little paranoid fantasy world, don't they.

It's not her own little world. She has to share it with the rest of Overland Park.

It's like that Star Trek: The Next Generation episode where Dr Crusher got caught in that shrinking warp bubble which was her own little universe.

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: rumpelstiltskin: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Some conservatives really do live in their own little paranoid fantasy world, don't they.

It's not her own little world. She has to share it with the rest of Overland Park.

It's like that Star Trek: The Next Generation episode where Dr Crusher got caught in that shrinking warp bubble which was her own little universe.

Good episode.

Last year, she issued a letter calling for "patriots with pitchforks" to get the attention of the "Topeka elite" after Brownback signed a state budget calling for a 6.7-percent spending increase.

Quick, grab the pitchforks! We're off to protest on behalf of the ultra-wealthy elite! I don't care what them elitists professors say!

DamnYankees: eurotrader: A good argument can be made the Soviet Union fell because of a large central government dictating production of goods and services not the market and of course Reagan.

I'm with you until the last bit.

Sort of.

A colleague of mine was in Europe for a mil-mil relations meeting with the Russians. One night, after dinner was good and the drinks liberally imbibed, one American screwed up the courage to ask them directly:

"When did you know you had lost the Cold War?"

The Russian generals looked at each other, turned back, and said

"SDI"

Now, my colleagues were under no illusions that SDI was nowhere NEAR capable of doing what its ambitions had asserted. After all, here it is, 25 years later, and we STILL can't do what SDI set out to do.

The Russians noticed the looks on my colleagues' faces, and continued

"But not for the reason you think. It's because when we realized that you were planning to shrink a supercomputer down to the size of a coffee can and use it as a kinetic kill vehicle, it became clear that we could not even hope to spend nearly as much money as America was willing to waste on a project that almost certainly wouldn't work."

One of the Americans responded

"So we could have just taken $500,000,000,000 and burned it in Times Square..."

"Yes, it would have been the same."

So in a sense, Reagan did have an effect, because once someone realizes they're beaten, they're beaten.

vygramul: So in a sense, Reagan did have an effect, because once someone realizes they're beaten, they're beaten.

While that's a nice story, it nicely illustrates the difference between "being" beaten and "realizing" you are beaten. In terms of actual human lives, the former is obviously the more important factor.

These people are ridiculous...

Another teabagger displays her remarkable grasp of history.

No wonder Republicans are always slashing the Education budget - their survival depends on the votes of idiots.

"patriots with pitchforks"

Last year, she issued a letter calling for "patriots with pitchforks" to get the attention of the "Topeka elite" after Brownback signed a state budget calling for a 6.7-percent spending increase.

You know where you stand in a hell hole
Folks lend a hand in a hell hole
Girl get me back to my hell hole

DamnYankees: vygramul: So in a sense, Reagan did have an effect, because once someone realizes they're beaten, they're beaten.

While that's a nice story, it nicely illustrates the difference between "being" beaten and "realizing" you are beaten. In terms of actual human lives, the former is obviously the more important factor.

It's amazing that we (meaning humanity) didn't manage to wipe ourselves out in those 45 years.

Yes, Kansas, keep moving to the right. That'll fix everything.

dickfreckle: Last year, she issued a letter calling for "patriots with pitchforks" to get the attention of the "Topeka elite" after Brownback signed a state budget calling for a 6.7-percent spending increase.

Quick, grab the pitchforks! We're off to protest on behalf of the ultra-wealthy elite! I don't care what them elitists professors say!

Why does she hate the job creators? This must be "liberal elitist" talking point week, and next week will be "these stalwart job creators need a tax break so they can trickle their blessing down upon us" talking point week. It's hard to keep up anymore.

DjangoStonereaver: Blind adherance to an outdated social philosophy would NEVER lead to a
complete systemic collapse!

Of course it could. What does that have to do with this?

Kansas is a COMMUNIST hellhole?

Does... does she even know what the word "Communist" even MEANS? O_o'

Captain Steroid: Kansas is a COMMUNIST hellhole?

Does... does she even know what the word "Communist" even MEANS? O_o'

Teabaggers aren't all that fond of definitions or proper use. They're pretty much just retards tossing out any old word that sounds important or ominous.

Vodka Zombie: Captain Steroid: Kansas is a COMMUNIST hellhole?

Does... does she even know what the word "Communist" even MEANS? O_o'

Teabaggers aren't all that fond of definitions or proper use. They're pretty much just retards tossing out any old word that sounds important or ominous.

We need to see if we can get them to use a new scary word...

"Pedagogue/Pedagogical" sounds threatening.

You'll notice she went to Wichita to say these things. That shiat plays much better down there than it does in Johnson County, where really all anybody cares about is good schools, good roads and cheap taxes. Don't get me wrong, there are some raving lunatic assholes here, but for the most part most people are fairly moderate.

Captain Steroid: Kansas is a COMMUNIST hellhole?

Does... does she even know what the word "Communist" even MEANS? O_o'

Well, there are a lot of farm subsidies handed out.

People are still crying about communism? Is it 1955 already?

vygramul: Their problems were systemic. The war in Afghanistan was not very expensive, relatively speaking. To blame it on Afghanistan is like saying a gambling addict who lost big in craps, blackjack, and roulette went broke because he blew his last $1000 on a slot machine.

Agreed. Afghanistan broke the camels back though.

Damnit Johnson County. I thought you guys were the more relatively sane ones in Kansas.

If Kansas is a Communist hellhole, what does that make a state like Massachusetts?

To feed into the EuroSocialistCommie paranoia, the biggest STAR bond project to date in Kansas helped in the construction of a *soccer stadium*. Can't get much more evil than that.

Serious Black: If Kansas is a Communist hellhole, what does that make a state like Massachusetts?

Josef Stalin's nutsack.

Oh look, another dumbass loudmouth from Johnson County.

coo coo

Man, there's so much retarded in there...

So she's against government giving incentives to businesses... I suppose she's also against zoning laws.

O'Hara also used the radio show Friday to attack moderate senators for voting to increase education funding in the state, saying it was a "liberal" vote.

What....?