The_Sponge: jacket



/hot

wrenchboy: Good point. For some reason I almost always find bourbon next stocked to the bottles of Jack, and that just pisses me off.

But yeah drinking Jack=bad decisions



Meh...it's not that bad....having two American whiskies next to each other.

Cool story bro:

Last weekend I did a blind tasting between Maker's Mark and Costco's Kirkland Signature bourbon.....I preferred the Kirkland.

/Which is all the more amusing since I am a Maker's Mark Ambassador.
//Please don't tell them.

Booze snob threads > chili/hot dog/pizza snob threads, but not by a lot.

Taste is individual. Things that taste good to me may not taste good to you, and vice versa. I personally don't care for the taste of whisky made from peat-smoked barley. You're not going to convince me that I'm drinking it wrong, or that I need to try a different variety; I just. don't. like. that. flavor.

/Same thing goes for tequila.

Scotches all smell like rotten cologne, IMO.

/sworn off spirits

Pocket Ninja: These alcohol headlines posted by people who so clearly no nothing about alcohol are always amusing. But OK, subby, I'm here to help, so instead of just laughing at you or mocking you, let me try to educate you instead.

First of all, if the scotch smells like band-aids, what that means is you haven't properly decanted it. Now, there's all kinds of ways to decant scotch, and you'll see people selling these little devices that insert into the bottle's opening and make the liquid go all sloshy while you pour it. What that sloshing around is doing is forcing airborne chemicals like oxygen and hydrogen into the scotch, which "opens up" the active ingredients that flavor it, like peat and barley and corn. You can use those little inserts if you want, but it's better to buy a decanter, which is basically just a big jug that you can swirl the scotch around in. Then you just pour it from the bottle into the jug and swish it around for a while.

Interesting historical note: this is actually why in all those old-timey cartoons where there are backwoods still operators making their whiskey up in the West Virginia mountains, you always see them drinking out of clay jugs. They knew that they had to decant the whiskey first (and don't get confused by the alternating usage of "scotch" and "whiskey"; what you hear called "scotch" is just what they called it in Scotland after they learned the techniques in America), and so what they would do is make the whiskey in the still, pour it into the bottle to age, and then pour it into their jug when it was ready to decant. Oh, and PROTIP: Remember to NEVER pour back in the bottle from the jug...re-exposure to the glass can ruin the scotch (it's called "glassing" it) and that can really suck. Just keep it in whatever jug you pour it into.

Now, a word of warning: You need to be careful when you're decanting your scotch, because you may not know this, but peat is basically infant coal. It's coal that's starting to form in a bog and hasn't su ...

So good it made me hard....

misanthropic1: SultanofSchwing: The_Sponge: Jument: Crown Royal is kind of shiatty. Scotch comes from across the pond.

/Canadian so I'm allowed to say that
//the CR "dark" is especially nasty IMHO


The one thing I don't get about my friends:

They have good taste when it comes to cigars, wine, restaurants, etc. But a lot of them always buy Canadian whiskey......like if there's a party, etc. I'm I'm going to bring whiskey to an event, I'm bringing Jack or Maker's Mark.

You both should just resign yourself to drinking Daquiri's..."Crown Royal is bad," what the hell?

Crown Royal is bad for me... it goes down like water so I'm prone to drinking entirely too much of it in a sitting. Never really got bourbon though; I like gentleman jack (Tennessee charcoal filter, not bourbon; I know) and Maker's Mark is certainly drinkable, but for the money I'd just assume buy from across the pond.

/no accounting for taste I suppose

Well to be fair, Crown Royal is drinkable and contains alcohol. But yeah, it's bad compared to better options. There are far more enjoyable drinks to be drunk. Also I have heard that there are additives in it for coloring and flavor. I can't seem to find a reference though.

Spam Pajamas: The_Sponge: jacket

[discussions.texasbowhunter.com image 300x399]

/hot


Hot damn.

/Thank you.
//Will forward that to said friend.

Just mix it with sprite and it'll be fine subby.

Since it's already kinda that sort of thread, if it's not too much of a threadjack, what are you farkers favorite stogies to puff on when enjoying your whiskey of choice? (not interested in Cubans; everyone likes Montecristo #2 and Cohibas, but I'm not slated to get out of the US anytime soon)

/of late I've been favoring Oliva, as they make an affordable petite torpedo and Camacho triple-maduros

I don't mind JW Gold, it's pretty solid. Blue's better, but hard on the wallet. A good friend served me a variety of single malts and it seemed the more peaty they were, the less I cared for them. Medicinal indeed.

My current fav is Elijah Craig 18yo (single cask bourbon).

/yep, taste is personal: I don't begrudge anyone their drink of choice.

misanthropic1: Since it's already kinda that sort of thread, if it's not too much of a threadjack, what are you farkers favorite stogies to puff on when enjoying your whiskey of choice? (not interested in Cubans; everyone likes Montecristo #2 and Cohibas, but I'm not slated to get out of the US anytime soon)

/of late I've been favoring Oliva, as they make an affordable petite torpedo and Camacho triple-maduros

La Aroma de Cuba Edicion Especial, Belicoso

The normal LADCs are nice, the EEs are really especial.

/had one with a nip of Highland Park 12 the other night while reading the new Lincoln Child book
//Yum

Jument: misanthropic1: SultanofSchwing: The_Sponge: Jument: Crown Royal is kind of shiatty. Scotch comes from across the pond.

/Canadian so I'm allowed to say that
//the CR "dark" is especially nasty IMHO


The one thing I don't get about my friends:

They have good taste when it comes to cigars, wine, restaurants, etc. But a lot of them always buy Canadian whiskey......like if there's a party, etc. I'm I'm going to bring whiskey to an event, I'm bringing Jack or Maker's Mark.

You both should just resign yourself to drinking Daquiri's..."Crown Royal is bad," what the hell?

Crown Royal is bad for me... it goes down like water so I'm prone to drinking entirely too much of it in a sitting. Never really got bourbon though; I like gentleman jack (Tennessee charcoal filter, not bourbon; I know) and Maker's Mark is certainly drinkable, but for the money I'd just assume buy from across the pond.

/no accounting for taste I suppose

Well to be fair, Crown Royal is drinkable and contains alcohol. But yeah, it's bad compared to better options. There are far more enjoyable drinks to be drunk. Also I have heard that there are additives in it for coloring and flavor. I can't seem to find a reference though.

Yeah, these days I find it a touch too sweet, though I was big on it back in college. As you inferred, for the money I think one can do better, but I have met some extremely refined palates (for food, anyway) that still love Crown. Then again, they didn't like scotch either, so clearly they and I were never meant to see eye to eye on whiskey.

/CSB

The_Sponge: Jubeebee: and the packaging makes for good dice bags


CSB:

A good friend of mine has a smoking jacket made from old Crown Royal bags.

I use a CR bag to enclose the mixing board end of my snake.

This kind of snake:


_{more common than you think}

For those who can't get around the peaty-ness of scotch, try this:


It's a sweeter scotch, with barely any hints of peat. I keep it stocked for those who want to drink scotch with me, and don't want the harder stuff. Plus I love it.

misanthropic1: Since it's already kinda that sort of thread, if it's not too much of a threadjack, what are you farkers favorite stogies to puff on when enjoying your whiskey of choice? (not interested in Cubans; everyone likes Montecristo #2 and Cohibas, but I'm not slated to get out of the US anytime soon)

/of late I've been favoring Oliva, as they make an affordable petite torpedo and Camacho triple-maduros

This is relevant to my interests. I just bought my first cigar for my birthday this weekend. I'm not much for drinking, but maybe I'll take it to the local cigar bar.

/fan of pipes, too

misanthropic1: Since it's already kinda that sort of thread, if it's not too much of a threadjack, what are you farkers favorite stogies to puff on when enjoying your whiskey of choice? (not interested in Cubans; everyone likes Montecristo #2 and Cohibas, but I'm not slated to get out of the US anytime soon)

/of late I've been favoring Oliva, as they make an affordable petite torpedo and Camacho triple-maduros


From my profile:

Fuente Opus X
Casa Fuente (You can only buy it in Las Vegas.)
Ashton
Ashton VSG
Ashton ESG
Padron Anniversary
El Titan de Bronze (Check them out if you're in Little Havana.)
Partagas 150 & 160
CAO Sopranos
CAO Italia
CAO Brazilia
CAO Maduro
Don Pepin Garcia
Rocky Patel Decade
Padilla 9 & 11
San Cristobal
La Aroma de Cuba

In addition:

Alec Bradley Prensado
Alec Bradley Black Market
Drew Estates Undercrown

hooked and reeled-in

mothak: For those who can't get around the peaty-ness of scotch, try this:
[www.masterofmalt.com image 300x537]

It's a sweeter scotch, with barely any hints of peat. I keep it stocked for those who want to drink scotch with me, and don't want the harder stuff. Plus I love it.

Dalwhinnie largely falls into this category too.

/cheers

Yep, when all is said and done, it's basically a individual subjective choice.

I'm always open to new products, but these days, I'm a man of modest means and cheap doesn't always mean low quality or taste.

Hell, I love sitting out back with a glass of Canadian Club and a Backwoods. Wouldn't trade that for any of the high end stuff, to be honest.

MoronLessOff: You know what Black Label always tasted like to me? Iodine.

That dumb little blonde will never know the difference.

MoronLessOff: but maybe I'll take it to the local cigar bar.


I'm envious....the dumbass voters in my state decided to ban ALL indoor smoking back in 2005.

/Closest cigar bar is at an Indian casino.
//Actually, there is one in Seattle.
///But it's a private club, and expensive to join.
////They managed to get around the law because they technically don't have any employees.
//State is still trying to shut them down.
//Been there once.
//Great establishment.

I can't stand Scotch or bourbon or whiskey. Almost any alcohol makes me throw up just when I'm feeling good. It's a curse. ANYwho, what about Jagermeister? What is that? Does it have a lot of alcohol in it so you don't have to drink much to get drunk? I realized the other day that I've been utterly sober for seven years and I don't think that's good for me :(

I love single-malts. Unfortunately, scotch has been ruined for me by the myriad of scotch-tourists: people who don't really like scotch, but drink it because it's what their social group (or the social group they aspire to) drinks.

I've since switched to bourbon, which I find can be as subtle or as bold as the finest single-malt. Even low end stuff like Wild Turkey is palatable (mixed with coke).

Perhaps some day the scotch tourists will switch back to vodka coolers; until that day, I will remain a bourbon man.

silvervial: I can't stand Scotch or bourbon or whiskey. Almost any alcohol makes me throw up just when I'm feeling good. It's a curse. ANYwho, what about Jagermeister? What is that? Does it have a lot of alcohol in it so you don't have to drink much to get drunk? I realized the other day that I've been utterly sober for seven years and I don't think that's good for me :(

How about weed?

Much easier on the system.

Sliding Carp: MoronLessOff: You know what Black Label always tasted like to me? Iodine.

That dumb little blonde will never know the difference.

+1 good sir.

The_Sponge: I'm envious....the dumbass voters in my state decided to ban ALL indoor smoking back in 2005.

Live music on the weekends, too. I might have to call one of my old buddies to scope it out.

silvervial: I can't stand Scotch or bourbon or whiskey. Almost any alcohol makes me throw up just when I'm feeling good. It's a curse. ANYwho, what about Jagermeister? What is that? Does it have a lot of alcohol in it so you don't have to drink much to get drunk? I realized the other day that I've been utterly sober for seven years and I don't think that's good for me :(


NyQuil makes Jagermeister taste like vanilla ice cream.

keylock71: silvervial: I can't stand Scotch or bourbon or whiskey. Almost any alcohol makes me throw up just when I'm feeling good. It's a curse. ANYwho, what about Jagermeister? What is that? Does it have a lot of alcohol in it so you don't have to drink much to get drunk? I realized the other day that I've been utterly sober for seven years and I don't think that's good for me :(

How about weed?

Much easier on the system.

Well, yes, that is what I would MUCH prefer. It not only doesn't make you sick but it settles your stomach. Unfortunately, I have no idea where to get it anymore (hence the seven year's sobriety) and can't afford it if I could find it :(

So, if I want to alter my consciousness, my option is booze, but in tiny amounts so I hopefully don't get too sick. The higher the alcohol content, the less I would have to drink.

/really want to listen to Rammstein stoned
//but will make do with drunk :(

Bourbon and Scotch and Sour Mash (Jack) are very different booze... Try them head to head and you'll see that Jack is sour (hence "sour mash"), bourbon is sweet but strong tasting, and scotch has the bourbon taste but mellowed and refined.

/not a fan of Jack
//Bourbon=good, especially Knob Creek
///Love scotch, SWMBO just got me a bottle of my first legal one-18 Glenlivet- Also love Oban 14
////Also love... slashies!
/So-crates

wrenchboy: The_Sponge: wrenchboy: TheDumbBlonde: Bourbon smells like bad decisions.

You need to stop hanging out with Trailer Trash who drink Jack Daniels so they can have their trailer park cred.



Since when is Jack considered bourbon?

Good point. For some reason I almost always find bourbon next stocked to the bottles of Jack, and that just pisses me off.

But yeah drinking Jack=bad decisions

Jack meets the definition of Bourbon, they just don't call themselves that. Hell, the only legal definition of Tennesee Whiskey is "Straight Bourbon produced in the state of Tennessee". That's from NAFTA.

It's Bourbon. The insistence that it's not comes from the Jack Daniels marketing department and has no basis in law or reality. And the damn charcoal mellowing crap has no effect on that definition- one of the four Tennessee Whiskey branded liquors doesn't use it, and several Bourbons do.

As for the "It tastes different from Bourbon" line, lots of Bourbons taste different from each other. It depends on a lot of things- the mashbill, for example. Makers Mark uses a lot of Wheat and no rye (all bourbon is at least half corn), while spicier, dryer Bourbons use a large amount of rye. How charred the barrels are (they come in grades from lightly charred to really burnt), how long it's aged, how hard the water is, and so on. Jack has its own unique profile, just like every other Bourbon.

Jack Daniels makes a Bourbon. That's why liquor stores put it next to the Bourbon.

Scotchy scotch scotch.



Oh, and subby?

keylock71: How about weed?


So like....I heard that Cuban cigars are illegal because they put a little bit of weed into each one.

/Somebody actually said that to me during a party back in college.

silvervial: keylock71: silvervial: I can't stand Scotch or bourbon or whiskey. Almost any alcohol makes me throw up just when I'm feeling good. It's a curse. ANYwho, what about Jagermeister? What is that? Does it have a lot of alcohol in it so you don't have to drink much to get drunk? I realized the other day that I've been utterly sober for seven years and I don't think that's good for me :(

How about weed?

Much easier on the system.

Well, yes, that is what I would MUCH prefer. It not only doesn't make you sick but it settles your stomach. Unfortunately, I have no idea where to get it anymore (hence the seven year's sobriety) and can't afford it if I could find it :(

So, if I want to alter my consciousness, my option is booze, but in tiny amounts so I hopefully don't get too sick. The higher the alcohol content, the less I would have to drink.

/really want to listen to Rammstein stoned
//but will make do with drunk :(

Hmmmmm, maybe vodka? It's a great mixer and if you've been sober for seven years, it's not going to take much to get the head a-spinnin'.

Know any carpenters or trades people? They always know where to get weed. Working class weed with no names or fancy packaging that is going to break the bank.

The Wack: Bourbon and Scotch and Sour Mash (Jack) are very different booze... Try them head to head and you'll see that Jack is sour (hence "sour mash"), bourbon is sweet but strong tasting, and scotch has the bourbon taste but mellowed and refined.

/not a fan of Jack
//Bourbon=good, especially Knob Creek
///Love scotch, SWMBO just got me a bottle of my first legal one-18 Glenlivet- Also love Oban 14
////Also love... slashies!
/So-crates

This is utterly wrong. Just about all (it probably is all) Bourbon is sour mash- that just means they take a cup of already fermented mash and add it to the new tub of mash to keep the strains of yeast consistent. That way, your flavor doesn't vary from batch to batch, making a consistent product. It has absolutely nothing to do with actual flavor of the end product, it just keeps that flavor consistent.

And I'm not going to go into the distinction between scotch and bourbon (because I don't feel like typing it out), but your understanding of that is pretty lacking too.

\Why are otherwise intelligent people so dumb when it comes to liquor?

The_Sponge: keylock71: How about weed?


So like....I heard that Cuban cigars are illegal because they put a little bit of weed into each one.

/Somebody actually said that to me during a party back in college.

*facepalm*

Yeah, the things you hear sometimes...

Yes, please

mothak: For those who can't get around the peaty-ness of scotch, try this:
[www.masterofmalt.com image 300x537]

It's a sweeter scotch, with barely any hints of peat. I keep it stocked for those who want to drink scotch with me, and don't want the harder stuff. Plus I love it.



I keep the Doublewood around too, but I happen to really like it. I am a fan of Speyside scotches in general, but I do like a good Islay (the polar opposite of Speyside).

Bunnahabhain doesn't smell like band aids, it smells of winter and frost and getting dark at 3 o'clock and pouring a glass of amber nectar before bedtime.

cptjeff: \Why are otherwise intelligent people so dumb when it comes to liquor?


Drinking and posting?

keylock71: silvervial: keylock71: silvervial: I can't stand Scotch or bourbon or whiskey. Almost any alcohol makes me throw up just when I'm feeling good. It's a curse. ANYwho, what about Jagermeister? What is that? Does it have a lot of alcohol in it so you don't have to drink much to get drunk? I realized the other day that I've been utterly sober for seven years and I don't think that's good for me :(

How about weed?

Much easier on the system.

Well, yes, that is what I would MUCH prefer. It not only doesn't make you sick but it settles your stomach. Unfortunately, I have no idea where to get it anymore (hence the seven year's sobriety) and can't afford it if I could find it :(

So, if I want to alter my consciousness, my option is booze, but in tiny amounts so I hopefully don't get too sick. The higher the alcohol content, the less I would have to drink.

/really want to listen to Rammstein stoned
//but will make do with drunk :(

Hmmmmm, maybe vodka? It's a great mixer and if you've been sober for seven years, it's not going to take much to get the head a-spinnin'.

Know any carpenters or trades people? They always know where to get weed. Working class weed with no names or fancy packaging that is going to break the bank.

Ah, good old vodak. I'll give it a try. My husband drinks rum and coke, but I can't stand even the smell of rum. No, I don't know anyone who uses or would know where to get the good herb since I left my previous job.

I just think that humans were not meant to be so utterly, relentlessly sober as I have been for so long or we wouldn't have invented beer so early in our history.

/can't drink beer either

keylock71: *facepalm*

Yeah, the things you hear sometimes...



IIRC, it's the only time in my life where I wanted to slap somebody for saying something stupid.

misanthropic1: Since it's already kinda that sort of thread, if it's not too much of a threadjack, what are you farkers favorite stogies to puff on when enjoying your whiskey of choice? (not interested in Cubans; everyone likes Montecristo #2 and Cohibas, but I'm not slated to get out of the US anytime soon)

/of late I've been favoring Oliva, as they make an affordable petite torpedo and Camacho triple-maduros

Lately, I've been hooked on Baccarat candelas, for some strange reason... Them and Perdomo Slow-Aged 826 have been my goto cigars lately...

I love a good whiskey thread on Fark.

/Not as much as BIE/redheads/chicks in bikinis threads, but a lot more than spider threads.

cptjeff: The Wack: Bourbon and Scotch and Sour Mash (Jack) are very different booze... Try them head to head and you'll see that Jack is sour (hence "sour mash"), bourbon is sweet but strong tasting, and scotch has the bourbon taste but mellowed and refined.

/not a fan of Jack
//Bourbon=good, especially Knob Creek
///Love scotch, SWMBO just got me a bottle of my first legal one-18 Glenlivet- Also love Oban 14
////Also love... slashies!
/So-crates

This is utterly wrong. Just about all (it probably is all) Bourbon is sour mash- that just means they take a cup of already fermented mash and add it to the new tub of mash to keep the strains of yeast consistent. That way, your flavor doesn't vary from batch to batch, making a consistent product. It has absolutely nothing to do with actual flavor of the end product, it just keeps that flavor consistent.

And I'm not going to go into the distinction between scotch and bourbon (because I don't feel like typing it out), but your understanding of that is pretty lacking too.

\Why are otherwise intelligent people so dumb when it comes to liquor?

Thank you for your correction on sour mash- I had been misinformed. My flavor distinctions, however, pretty much sum up my opinion of said whiskies (admittedly, I like highland scotch-I'm not much for the "peaty" flavor of lowlands).

Spiralmonkey: Bunnahabhain doesn't smell like band aids, it smells of winter and frost and getting dark at 3 o'clock and pouring a glass of amber nectar before bedtime.

*brofist*

Oh...and I love the salty notes when I drink Talisker.

/Reminds me of the sea.
//Seems fitting, since their distillery is right next to a bay.

The_Sponge: cptjeff: \Why are otherwise intelligent people so dumb when it comes to liquor?


Drinking and posting?

This too... Homebrew's getting the better of me.

/Also why the sour mash research was interesting

The_Sponge: Since when is Jack considered bourbon?

Or even considered drinkable, for that matter.

Also, this stuff is surprisingly great whisky... (Can't really call it "scotch", since it's not from Scotland... But, yeah, in all but name, it's scotch... And, damn good, too!)

The Wack: cptjeff: The Wack: Bourbon and Scotch and Sour Mash (Jack) are very different booze... Try them head to head and you'll see that Jack is sour (hence "sour mash"), bourbon is sweet but strong tasting, and scotch has the bourbon taste but mellowed and refined.

/not a fan of Jack
//Bourbon=good, especially Knob Creek
///Love scotch, SWMBO just got me a bottle of my first legal one-18 Glenlivet- Also love Oban 14
////Also love... slashies!
/So-crates

This is utterly wrong. Just about all (it probably is all) Bourbon is sour mash- that just means they take a cup of already fermented mash and add it to the new tub of mash to keep the strains of yeast consistent. That way, your flavor doesn't vary from batch to batch, making a consistent product. It has absolutely nothing to do with actual flavor of the end product, it just keeps that flavor consistent.

And I'm not going to go into the distinction between scotch and bourbon (because I don't feel like typing it out), but your understanding of that is pretty lacking too.

\Why are otherwise intelligent people so dumb when it comes to liquor?

Thank you for your correction on sour mash- I had been misinformed. My flavor distinctions, however, pretty much sum up my opinion of said whiskies (admittedly, I like highland scotch-I'm not much for the "peaty" flavor of lowlands).


really not trying to pile on you here, but lowlands scotches generally use an unpeated malt. Most of their flavor comes from the malt itself so they are more grassy or even herbal. Highlands use some peat but not a whole lot. The really peaty ones are from Islay.

RobSeace: Also, this stuff is surprisingly great whisky... (Can't really call it "scotch", since it's not from Scotland... But, yeah, in all but name, it's scotch... And, damn good, too!)


Damn right it's damn good.