Conjugation fail!

Boudica's War Tampon: Meez: Wine in general in the 70s was crap , no real governing or regulations, American wine was just as crap as French or Italian. The art of winemaking had slipped from previous generations and it was all about profit. Do the same test today and
it would fail miserably , the standards are so strict that an American wine stands out like an American tourist, fat bloated loud obnoxious

Oh you mean like a Fark troll?

/I keed

Did Europe create Fark?

I'm sorry, but I missed that part of the Fark story.

Please explicate.

P.S. Don't go back to immigrants, or I will try to kindly remind you that America was founded by immigrants and shall remain an immingrantish republic as long as you can pay, no? Apologies for the pseudo-threadjack. ;)

Supposedly outperformed some French wines and has many awards.

Meez: Wine in general in the 70s was crap , no real governing or regulations, American wine was just as crap as French or Italian. The art of winemaking had slipped from previous generations and it was all about profit. Do the same test today and
it would fail miserably , the standards are so strict that an American wine stands out like an American tourist, fat bloated loud obnoxious


In the article they just barely beat NJ recently........That has to be like a pee-wee football team giving the Green Bay Packers a run for their money.

Enemabag Jones: TomD9938,
Serve over ice... goes great with hot dogs.

Blends piss me off. I can handle white, I can handle red, blushes are this sweet shiat that short of boones farm.

/Now excuse me while I enjoy my $3.00 bottle of cabernet sauvignon.

Roses on the other hand are spectacular.

2007 - awesome year!

Meez: Wine in general in the 70s was crap , no real governing or regulations, American wine was just as crap as French or Italian. The art of winemaking had slipped from previous generations and it was all about profit. Do the same test today and
it would fail miserably , the standards are so strict that an American wine stands out like an American tourist, fat bloated loud obnoxious

Say what? Winemaking is relativley easy. The hard part is getting good grapes. If the weather doesn't cooperate late season and you don't get the right sugar or acid content, you just aren't going to get a great wine. That said, the average grape quality has gone up substantially in the last 3 decades thanks to increased irrigation and a better understanding of soil chemistry. Grape breeding has also become more focused in the last few decades as well. We're creating better varietals. There are even now grapes (Marquette) that grow in Minnesota and make good wines. I have 7 vines of them in my backyard.

I've also done my own wine tasting research. Turns out amature wine drinkers can't differentiate between a merlot and a syrrah. As far as rating the wines, my guests had a clear favorite in the Trader Joe's Costal Zinfandel.

Told you so! I been telling fark-wits for years that spend more than $10 on a bottle of wine was a waste of money.

I used to work at a place that made the synthetic closures for wine bottles. Those spongy corks with the rubbery skin printed with popular shoeless, Australian, and bird etc... labels on them. You know what Im talking about? Well they come out of an extruder at a very high temperture and are ran thirough a long water bath. Well you know that a lot of that a lot of things live water. You should have seen the human brain sized bio-masses of fungus I cleaned out of the circulation pumps, every few weeks. I also picked grapes for a weinmeister when I was stationed in Germany as a goodwill gesture to the locals that had become a tradition. Anyway, I don't drink wine, EVER.

/Make your own, you need a hobby beside FARKing

She keeps her Moet et Chandon
In her pretty cabinet
'Let them eat cake' she says
Just like Marie Antoinette
A built-in remedy
For Kruschev and Kennedy
At anytime an invitation
You can't decline

I really love champagne...but i rarely spend more than 15-20 bucks on a bottle. It seems like at that price point you can usually get a pretty tasty wine. I do like more expensive champagnes but most of the time that little increase in quality is not worth the large increase in price. Oh and for those cheap-asses like me my new favorite regular champagne is Mumm Napa. I've had some pretty good bottles from them lately.

I know enough to appreciate the difference between good and bad wines (NOT cheap and expensive) but i still dont see much of a reason to every spend more than $25 a bottle.

Indubitably: Boudica's War Tampon: Meez: Wine in general in the 70s was crap , no real governing or regulations, American wine was just as crap as French or Italian. The art of winemaking had slipped from previous generations and it was all about profit. Do the same test today and
it would fail miserably , the standards are so strict that an American wine stands out like an American tourist, fat bloated loud obnoxious

Oh you mean like a Fark troll?

/I keed

Did Europe create Fark?

I'm sorry, but I missed that part of the Fark story.

Please explicate.

P.S. Don't go back to immigrants, or I will try to kindly remind you that America was founded by immigrants and shall remain an immingrantish republic as long as you can pay, no? Apologies for the pseudo-threadjack. ;)

Le Pharque.com used to be popular until le troles inundated the place. They shuttered the place years ago.

Champipple!

Boudica's War Tampon: Meez: Wine in general in the 70s was crap , no real governing or regulations, American wine was just as crap as French or Italian. The art of winemaking had slipped from previous generations and it was all about profit. Do the same test today and
it would fail miserably , the standards are so strict that an American wine stands out like an American tourist, fat bloated loud obnoxious

Oh you mean like a Fark troll?

/I keed

Seconded, but i no keed.

Boudica's War Tampon: Indubitably: Boudica's War Tampon: Meez: Wine in general in the 70s was crap , no real governing or regulations, American wine was just as crap as French or Italian. The art of winemaking had slipped from previous generations and it was all about profit. Do the same test today and
it would fail miserably , the standards are so strict that an American wine stands out like an American tourist, fat bloated loud obnoxious

Oh you mean like a Fark troll?

/I keed

Did Europe create Fark?

I'm sorry, but I missed that part of the Fark story.

Please explicate.

P.S. Don't go back to immigrants, or I will try to kindly remind you that America was founded by immigrants and shall remain an immingrantish republic as long as you can pay, no? Apologies for the pseudo-threadjack. ;)

Le Pharque.com used to be popular until le troles inundated the place. They shuttered the place years ago.

So, Europe is full of trolls, then? ;)

IDK, guys. When I pony up the extra couple of bucks for the GOOD box of wine I can taste a difference.

*wine snob noises*

Boudica's War Tampon: Bleak house By Charls Dickens :

As much mud in the streets as if the waters had but newly retired from the face of the earth, and it would not be wonderful to meet a Megalosaurus, forty feet long or so, waddling like an elephantine lizard up Holborn Hill. Smoke lowering down from chimney-pots, making a soft black drizzle, with flakes of soot in it as big as full-grown snowflakes--gone into mourning, one might imagine, for the death of the sun. Dogs, undistinguishable in mire. Horses, scarcely better; splashed to their very blinkers.

But it's Brit-speak

Damn. Now I want to read that book.
Thanks!

The important thing is to drink what you like, not what impresses other people. I also find that- even among the cheaper strata of wines- you'll find better wine if you buy from the region of origin for that type of wine. For example, I tend to buy zinfandels (standard or white) that are made in California, while I buy Rieslings and Gewurtztraminers from Alsace and western Germany.

It helps that I have the palate of a hummingbird. Why are sweet wines usually cheaper?

Mais, mais... merde. C'est vrai.

I can't get the cap off!: Freakonomics did a fascinating segment on wine tasting on their podcast awhile back.

IIRC the best wines in a blind taste test came in around the $15 mark.

There's also the very well known study where a group given prices before a wine tasting enjoyed the expensive stuff more than the control group that didn't get prices.

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo:

It helps that I have the palate of a hummingbird. Why are sweet wines usually cheaper?

I think it's because they're generally younger.

Boudica's War Tampon: Le Pharque.com used to be popular until le troles inundated the place. They shuttered the place years ago.

But one Le Trole was able to escape and lives on threadshiatting mostly about sexuality related topics.

Currently live in Arizona. This state is starting to produce some damn good wines, as previously noted on the Maynard James Keenan thread from earlier in the day. One of my favorites, the AZ Stronghold Nachise!!

Goes good with beer.

I shoot wine snobs with cheap quality .22 caliber bullets, THEN i rape their women and daughters.

/and I always leave a bottle of Mogan David, for their lusty desire of the grape.

one of my very favorite cabs (dancing bull) generally runs me about 5.99 at the store.

my overall favorite wine, hands down, is casillero del diablo - which is chilean and runs about 9.99 usually.

where i WILL be a snob is sparklings. i loooove a mumm napa brut. cheap sparklings will give me a hangover from hell.

Ah... fark wine threads, where poor people without taste can feel superior to those who like quality.

Watching_Epoxy_Cure: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo:

It helps that I have the palate of a hummingbird. Why are sweet wines usually cheaper?

I think it's because they're generally younger.

I don't think that's quite right. My interpretation is as follows;

Cheap wines aren't aged, so you taste only the fermented grape juice. More expensive wines are generally aged in wood, which imparts tannins, which imparts an astringent quality that mitigates the overall sweetness (yes, there's also tannins in grape skins, but not nearly as much as in the wood).

So what I'm saying is, it's not that cheap wines are sweet, it's more that expensive (aged) wines aren't.

I think.

There was an interesting piece a few years back that over the years wines have changed to get good scores in the rating system that's used. Problem is, it's the rating system of one person who insists that his preferences are the proper ones. And yeah he's a major d-bag.

rustypouch: Ah... fark wine threads, where poor people without taste can feel superior to those who like quality.

I'll take Perrier Jouet over any other champagne. Cheaper than the usual high end suspects and vastly better. Also it comes in pretty bottles.

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Goes good with beer.

and highschool freshman.

And stories like this are why Wine counterfeiting is such a huge problem in Asia most acutely but worldwide. Take a good bottle, put cheap wine in it, and it magically will be worth the good wine price because everyone thinks it is based on the label. There is no good way to tell the difference (unless they do something asinine like put a white in a red bottle) so its easy money. Just get what tastes good to you and screw the labels and costs. If 2 buck chuck is your thing, more power too you.

I dont care about wine, they all taste relatively the same to me within a style. That said, I wouldnt presume to tell someone who actually cares about wine that they cant tell the difference.

Its just like beers, just because *you* cant tell the difference between IPAs doesnt mean I cant. You just dont care enough about beer or that style to learn the difference, which is cool.

But there's probably something you care about that I dont, maybe its some terrible music that all sounds the same to me. Maybe you love guns, and can tell the difference in the kickback from one to another.

The point is that everyone cares about different shiat, and people need to stop concerning themselves so much with what other people like.

A Connaisuer(sorry for the spelling)/Geek/Enthusiast cares about what *they* consume, a snob/jerk/dick cares about what *you* consume.

If you want to drink what I consider to be shiatty beer, more power to you, do what makes you happy. I'm going to drink what makes me happy, 8'm not drinking it becuas eI hink its cool, to impress anyone, or to feel superior to anyone, im drinking it because I like it -same as you.

In all seriousness though I've drank the nastiest cheapo wine up to ridiculously expensive vintages. For the most part the more expensive stuff tastes better... but not so much better that it's worth the insane price jumps.

$15 will get you a decent bottle of GOOD wine that drinks well. You start spending more than that and it MAY taste just a LITTLE better but you are generally getting ripped off.

It's just crushed grapes after all.

Buying vintages as an investment is a different topic altogether.

Avonmore: Cheap wines aren't aged, so you taste only the fermented grape juice

Not all wines are meant to be aged for long. Beaujolais nouveau is aged just a few weeks and then bottled and sold, and some of it is far from cheap. But that's just the nature of the particular wine. And it's not the only type of wine that is made that. There are also many types of wine that are meant to be sweet and some well good luck getting a bottle for under $30 or so. Also there's much to be said for bottle aging.

WhyteRaven74
There was an interesting piece a few years back that over the years wines have changed to get good scores in the rating system that's used. Problem is, it's the rating system of one person who insists that his preferences are the proper ones. And yeah he's a major d-bag.

OK, I don't like sweeter blended wines and maybe white zinfandel deserves a fair shake even though it does not work for all personal tastes.

But what keeps it based on quality vs mass appeal.
What keeps Bud Light from being the best beer and Sutter Home white zinfandel will be the best wine?

/I probably need to understand the specific context.

This has been my favorite brand for a couple of years now. $9.99 for the 1.5L bottle.



And I do know good wine, too. But that one's delicious and cheap.

here to help: In all seriousness though I've drank the nastiest cheapo wine up to ridiculously expensive vintages. For the most part the more expensive stuff tastes better... but not so much better that it's worth the insane price jumps.

$15 will get you a decent bottle of GOOD wine that drinks well. You start spending more than that and it MAY taste just a LITTLE better but you are generally getting ripped off.

It's just crushed grapes after all.

Buying vintages as an investment is a different topic altogether.

$7 will get you a decent bottle of wine. Just buy what tastes good to you, ignore the elitists.

My wife drinks 47-pound Rooster Chardonnay....its a sweet white, works anytime. I think its $6 bucks a bottle.

Monster Cables :: Expensive Wines

Audiophiles :: Wine Experts

Am I doing it right?

make me some tea: This has been my favorite brand for a couple of years now. $9.99 for the 1.5L bottle.

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And I do know good wine, too. But that one's delicious and cheap.

archichris: here to help: In all seriousness though I've drank the nastiest cheapo wine up to ridiculously expensive vintages. For the most part the more expensive stuff tastes better... but not so much better that it's worth the insane price jumps.

$15 will get you a decent bottle of GOOD wine that drinks well. You start spending more than that and it MAY taste just a LITTLE better but you are generally getting ripped off.

It's just crushed grapes after all.

Buying vintages as an investment is a different topic altogether.

$7 will get you a decent bottle of wine. Just buy what tastes good to you, ignore the elitists.

My wife drinks 47-pound Rooster Chardonnay....its a sweet white, works anytime. I think its $6 bucks a bottle.

Thats funny, we both recommend it within seconds lol.

Tallman: I work in the wine industry.

This is an open secret. The reason people are willing to pay $1,000 for a bottle of Latour (in a "bad year." Latour in a "good year" is really, really expensive.) is basically because "the book says that Latour is one of the best, so the best are costly." Latour has history, they have a beautiful chateau... but I can't drink those. The reason a Bordeaux blend from New Jersey barely sells for $35 is because nobody thinks of New Jersey when they think of wine. I mean... it's freakin' Jersey!

The secret to finding a good wine for not a ton of money -- look for where people are looking at for good wine (France, Napa, etc). Eliminate those. Then look at what's left. Ask "what areas among those that are left grow lots of the type of wine I'm looking for?" and keep those. Then buy within your budget from what's left. That results in you buying sparkling wines from South Africa (Graham Beck at $17 trumps Veuve Cliquot at $40 IMNSHO), red blends from Argentina (Flichman Dedicado FTW at under $30!), Aussie Chardonnay from Padathaway, etc.

Shenandoah Valley, CA for me

/but then I'm a huge zinfandel freak
//let he who is without zin cast the first stone

WhyteRaven74: Avonmore: Cheap wines aren't aged, so you taste only the fermented grape juice

Not all wines are meant to be aged for long. Beaujolais nouveau is aged just a few weeks and then bottled and sold, and some of it is far from cheap. But that's just the nature of the particular wine. And it's not the only type of wine that is made that. There are also many types of wine that are meant to be sweet and some well good luck getting a bottle for under $30 or so. Also there's much to be said for bottle aging.

I used to buy a bottle of Beaujolais Nouveau every year. Nothing expensive but it was sort of like my annual mint julep.

Enemabag Jones: /I probably need to understand the specific context.

The dude in question is Robert Parker, and here's the explanation of his scoring system from his own site. And if you want to see where his more obvious flaws are, if you go to the vintage search on his page, there are entire wine types not listed. Like the legendary Tokaji from Hungary, which has been a much esteemed wine among Europeans for centuries. And he only lists two German wine types. And even his French listing is not complete. Any good wine expert would regard such omissions as deeply flawed and unacceptable.

My (red) wine selection process:

while (bevMo5CentSale == true) {
 Grab a few bottles of the ones I like.
 Try a few others in the < $10 price range.
 Drink some.
 Too bitter or acidic? Wait 10 minutes and try again.
 Still? Drink anyway, but do not buy again.
 Headache in the morning? do not buy again.
}

An example of wine in literature.

Velvet Jones reading from Velvet Love.


"When she touched her lips to the glass, Lawanda's heart beat inside her. I knew from that very first moment that the three dollars I had spent on wine would not go to waste."

archichris: $7 will get you a decent bottle of wine. Just buy what tastes good to you, ignore the elitists.

My wife drinks 47-pound Rooster Chardonnay....its a sweet white, works anytime. I think its $6 bucks a bottle.

If it's just me or a couple of friends on a lazy afternoon I'm all over the cheap table wines. My main go to is about $6-7. I meant for bringing to a dinner party as a gift or special occasions with a lady friend. That sort of stuff. Even then $10-12 would usually do the trick.

Boudica's War Tampon: Nothing expensive but it was sort of like my annual mint julep.

I love Beaujolais Nouveau myself, hopefully this year I'll get to splurge a bit in a few months. Not that I want to buy an expensive bottle, rather buy a few bottles just to see how different people make it. One of the great things with wine is you can have two vineyards right next to each other growing the same grapes yet their wines won't be exactly alike.

Eh the only wine I can ever stomach is the shiat home-made by the Greek people that live below my mom. Apparently fresh wine from grapes grown in a postage-stamp backyard in Queens is top-notch. Otherwise wine tastes like vinegar to me, might as well drizzle it on my salad.

They all taste like grape juice & rubbing alcohol to me.
/beer guy