I'll drink to that.
You'll drink to anything.
True.

/Who am I talking to?
//Beats me, I'm drunk

Eh, another excuse to drink with Canadians. I'm game.

I'm planning on taking a little trip in a couple of years.

Headline made me think of this guy.

And 100 years from now it will be...

The "kidnapping" of American sailors is a little misleading. England was at war with France. America was arming and aiding France. American ships bound for France were confiscated and their crews imprisoned. This has always been the risk one takes when aiding and supplying the enemy of another country, you risk becoming a military target. So it's not like it was random, unexplained kidnappings. It was more, "you're now a POW, do you want to sit out the war in the freezing, stinking hold of a prison ship where you will probably die of dysentery or do you want to join our side".

Ghastly: This has always been the risk one takes when aiding and supplying the enemy of another country, you risk becoming a military target.

Still, that's been how most nations have worked. They'll aid one nation or another in a given conflict. Giving that aid might make you a target, but going after those shipments will usually ignite a war with the aid giver. Usually the nation(s) on the other side of the conflict will look the other way UNLESS they think they can also take on and defeat the nation giving the aid.

The Brits figured they could do as they wished and the US wouldn't do dick... the US went ahead and declared war, which the British didn't bother to do much about until after they'd beaten Napoleon. The resulting war ended up being mostly a stalemate unless you were a Canadian or a Native American. The Canadians managed to defend their territory effectively against US incursions (possibly retaining their independence), while the Native Americans ended up getting pretty well screwed. They were used as tools by the British but finally the Brits were unable to score enough of a victory for the tribes to get any kind of a concession.

I can see why the Canadians would celebrate it, but to tell the truth, if anybody wanted to go around burning down government buildings in DC nowadays they might well be hailed as liberators.

The USA got Detroit out of that war, so I'd say Canada won

And the white house burned, burned, burned, and we're the ones that did it!
It burned, burned, burned, while the president ran and cried!
It burned, burned, burned, and things were very historical!
And then the Americans ran and cried like a bunch of little babies "wah wah wah"!
In the war - of 18-12!

:) Link Here

Lexx: And the white house burned, burned, burned, and we're the ones that did it!
It burned, burned, burned, while the president ran and cried!
It burned, burned, burned, and things were very historical!
And then the Americans ran and cried like a bunch of little babies "wah wah wah"!
In the war - of 18-12!

:) Link Here

Is this the thread where we point out that it is cute that Canadians claim credit for the burning of the white house when it was done entirely by British regulars just arrived from Britain (by way of Bermuda)?

Teiritzamna: Lexx: And the white house burned, burned, burned, and we're the ones that did it!
It burned, burned, burned, while the president ran and cried!
It burned, burned, burned, and things were very historical!
And then the Americans ran and cried like a bunch of little babies "wah wah wah"!
In the war - of 18-12!

:) Link Here

Is this the thread where we point out that it is cute that Canadians claim credit for the burning of the white house when it was done entirely by British regulars just arrived from Britain (by way of Bermuda)?

That was under half the soldiers present..

I think the Americans are just still bitter about us giving them back Detroit at the end of the war.

Gerald Tarrant: I think the Americans are just still bitter about us giving them back Detroit at the end of the war.

Tell you what, you can have Detroit back and this time you burn down the White House AND Congress.

Ghastly: The "kidnapping" of American sailors is a little misleading. England was at war with France. America was arming and aiding France. American ships bound for France were confiscated and their crews imprisoned. This has always been the risk one takes when aiding and supplying the enemy of another country, you risk becoming a military target. So it's not like it was random, unexplained kidnappings. It was more, "you're now a POW, do you want to sit out the war in the freezing, stinking hold of a prison ship where you will probably die of dysentery or do you want to join our side".

So I guess you think the torpedoing of the Lusitania in WWI was justified since it was carrying war materials?

Oldiron_79: Ghastly: The "kidnapping" of American sailors is a little misleading. England was at war with France. America was arming and aiding France. American ships bound for France were confiscated and their crews imprisoned. This has always been the risk one takes when aiding and supplying the enemy of another country, you risk becoming a military target. So it's not like it was random, unexplained kidnappings. It was more, "you're now a POW, do you want to sit out the war in the freezing, stinking hold of a prison ship where you will probably die of dysentery or do you want to join our side".

So I guess you think the torpedoing of the Lusitania in WWI was justified since it was carrying war materials?

From the point of view of the Germans, it was.

Besides, we all know that the Lusitania was an inside job. The British sank the ship using Martian technology in order to get the USA involved in the war. I saw a documentary on Youtube.

Teiritzamna: Lexx: And the white house burned, burned, burned, and we're the ones that did it!
It burned, burned, burned, while the president ran and cried!
It burned, burned, burned, and things were very historical!
And then the Americans ran and cried like a bunch of little babies "wah wah wah"!
In the war - of 18-12!

:) Link Here

Is this the thread where we point out that it is cute that Canadians claim credit for the burning of the white house when it was done entirely by British regulars just arrived from Britain (by way of Bermuda)?

They burned Washington, and the US burned York (eventually Toronto, also the effective capital at the time). So, it evens out.

The War of 1812 did give us our national anthem, so that's a major strike against it.

The Canadians have a much better anthem, just on account of it being more singable.

I believe the one "fact" is wrong.

It states American merchant ships were stopped by the British and crews members were forced to serve the British Navy.

I believe in actuality, British naval ships would stop and search American merchant ships for men of British nationality, enlisting them on the spot to serve their Navy (forced conscription)

That's way different than stealing Americans away....

If Canadians burned down the White House, by the same logic, Americans conquered Canada in 1763.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteent h

Texas already has (kinda of) a drinking party today, June 19th.

Even though it's humiliating, at least the african americans (or black? whatever?) have a reason to kinda celebrate.

i'm just glad there's a reason i'm drinking today. i was starting to get worried.

In 1814, we took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip'.
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
And we caught the bloody British in a town in New Orleans.

We fired our guns and the British kept a-coming
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more, and they began to running,
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

We looked down the river and we see'd the British come
and there musta' been a hundred of 'em beating on the drum.
They stepped so high and they made their bugles ring
We stood beside our cotton bales and didn't say a thing.

We fired our guns, and the British kept a-coming
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more and they began to running,
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

Ole Hickory said we could take 'em by surprise
If we didn't fire our muskets 'till we look 'em in the eyes.
We held our fire 'til we seen their faces well
Then we opened up our squirrel guns and really gave 'em... Well..

We fired our guns, and the British kept a-coming
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more and they began to running,
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

Well they ran through the briars, and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

We fired our cannon 'til the barrel melted down
So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round.
We filled his head with cannon balls and powdered his behind,
And when we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind.

We fired our guns and the British kept a-coming
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more and they began to running,
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

Well they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

hup, hup, three, four.
sound, off, three, four.
hup, hup, three, four.

CSB Warning!

I live out in farm country south of Amsterdam, NY. The area is lousy with historical NYS markers. Most in the area are about such and such a meeting house used to be here before it was burned in an Indian Raid. This town was named after such and such before he was killed in an Indian Raid. This used to be the location of a village sustaining mill before everyone was slaughtered and every building was burned down in an Indian Raid... that kind of thing.

But there is one nearby about how there was a skirmish between settlers and a passing band of English Red Coat Thugs in which most of the English were killed or taken prisoner during hostilities stemming from the War of 1812.

Remember, it's exceptions like the War of 1812 that break up the monotony of everyone being murdered by pissed off Mohawk Iroquois!

/you were warned

The gator lost his mind

The english deserted their indian allies and tecumseh's brother was kind of a schmuck. that's how the west was won.

Ghastly: Oldiron_79: Ghastly: The "kidnapping" of American sailors is a little misleading. England was at war with France. America was arming and aiding France. American ships bound for France were confiscated and their crews imprisoned. This has always been the risk one takes when aiding and supplying the enemy of another country, you risk becoming a military target. So it's not like it was random, unexplained kidnappings. It was more, "you're now a POW, do you want to sit out the war in the freezing, stinking hold of a prison ship where you will probably die of dysentery or do you want to join our side".

So I guess you think the torpedoing of the Lusitania in WWI was justified since it was carrying war materials?

From the point of view of the Germans, it was.

Besides, we all know that the Lusitania was an inside job. The British sank the ship using Martian technology in order to get the USA involved in the war. I saw a documentary on Youtube.

Well I think it was justified too, but the vast majority of people don't. I'm pretty much in the "don't hide your weapons behind women and children and we won't have to kill them to get to your weapons" camp than the "ZOMG look at all the innocent women and children" camp.

Omahawg: The english deserted their indian allies and tecumseh's brother was kind of a schmuck. that's how the west was won.

ah yes, Tecumseh. Here in Ohio we get two institutions from the War of 1812; Commodore Perry's monument up on Lake Erie, and Tecumseh!, an "open-air drama" which I'm not sure gets better over time. I think it needs a rework by the South Park guys.