The Tea Party doesn't take kindly to all that book lernin'. You can tell by their signs. 7% tax fer liberries? Intellectual elitist tax n' spender! We shouldn't spend $600bill on new ICBMs even though we no longer have anyone to shoot at? Hippie!

I would the same energy to raise funds to keep the library open, but that's just me.

Ah, the Colbert strategy of going even more extreme than your most extreme guests. I'm glad this worked, and their observation that other parties are hijacking the political discussion is very keen. I wonder if anymore of this will happen for other issues in the general election...

Wangiss: I would the same energy to raise funds to keep the library open, but that's just me.

Enraging people works better than bake sales. Ask anyone on the politics tab.

Wangiss: I would the same energy to raise funds to keep the library open, but that's just me.

The problem with closing libraries is that as more of them close, more TFers a word.

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Wangiss: I would the same energy to raise funds to keep the library open, but that's just me.

The problem with closing libraries is that as more of them close, more TFers a word.

*snort*

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Wangiss: I would the same energy to raise funds to keep the library open, but that's just me.

The problem with closing libraries is that as more of them close, more TFers a word.

Huh?

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Wangiss: I would the same energy to raise funds to keep the library open, but that's just me.

The problem with closing libraries is that as more of them close, more TFers a word.

What is this I don't even.

Ed Finnerty: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Wangiss: I would the same energy to raise funds to keep the library open, but that's just me.

The problem with closing libraries is that as more of them close, more TFers a word.

What is this I don't even.

srslé

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Wangiss: I would the same energy to raise funds to keep the library open, but that's just me.

The problem with closing libraries is that as more of them close, more TFers a word.

Ain't that the word!

TFers a word!

Spoken right.

Wangiss: Ed Finnerty: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Wangiss: I would the same energy to raise funds to keep the library open, but that's just me.

The problem with closing libraries is that as more of them close, more TFers a word.

What is this I don't even.

srslé

You can't just them open with your spits. Libraries are also totally.

So I was confused by the missing apostrophe. Got it.

Wangiss: So I was confused by the missing apostrophe. Got it.

Go back and take one more look at what you originally typed. Speak it out loud. Slowly.

/spoiling the fun for everyone else, I know

well...books ARE the harbingers of change...and Tzeench IS one of the Ruinous Powers.

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: /spoiling the fun for everyone else, I know

Looks like what you know could on a matchbook.
No fun ruined here.

/I'll always it one too far; blessing and my curse.

Weaver95: well...books ARE the harbingers of change...and Tzeench IS one of the Ruinous Powers.

Penemue was the angel who was cast out of heaven for giving mankind the ability to write and put ink to paper. His great sin was wanting to let mankind lift itself out of the morass of stupidity caused by not remembering things from one generation to the next. Literally, he was cast into hell because book larnin is ungodly.

/book of Enoch

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Wangiss: So I was confused by the missing apostrophe. Got it.

Go back and take one more look at what you originally typed. Speak it out loud. Slowly.

/spoiling the fun for everyone else, I know

Dammit, you could have been the new Gene Masseth.

Too bad that they seem to hate Ben Franklin's legacy...

Benjamin Franklin was born on January 17, 1706 in Boston, Massachusetts. Franklin is probably best known in the library community for founding the Library Company of Philadelphia in 1731. It was America's first lending library and can lay claim to being the predecessor of the free public library. For a brief period (Dec. 1733-Mar. 1734) Franklin actually served as the librarian for the Library Company. He also served as its secretary from 1746 to 1757. Franklin considered the Library Company to be the "Mother of all N. American Subscription Libraries ....".

"The only thing more expensive than education is ignorance."
--Benjamin Franklin

"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest"
--Benjamin Franklin

Not to mention Thomas Jefferson, the well known Commie...

Books constitute capital. A library book lasts as long as a house, for hundreds of years. It is not, then, an article of mere consumption but fairly of capital, and often in the case of professional men, setting out in life, it is their only capital.
--Thomas Jefferson

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state ofcivilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
--Thomas Jefferson

Or that OTHER Commie John Adams

There is such seduction in a library of good books that I cannot resist the temptation to luxuriate in reading.
--John Quincy Adams

Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people, who have...a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible,divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge, I mean the characters and conduct of their rulers."
--John Adams

Fo shizzle.

So wait, you're citing a private, for-profit librarian for this stuff? Are you a concern-trolling Tea Partier?

hubiestubert: [lots of quotes from the Founding Fathers]

yeah man, but the Founding Fathers didn't have to deal with socialisms! OMG! so many socialisms! if you give people access to books, and they read those books, they'll get IDEAS! Ideals like socialisms! And we're too close to the wire man! you don't know how close we are! right there! the wire! socialisms! cuts HAD to be made! the Tea Party MADE those cuts! books are COMMUNISMS man! its like...right there!


so...yeah. tea party. word up.

hubiestubert: Too bad that they seem to hate Ben Franklin's legacy...

Benjamin Franklin was born on January 17, 1706 in Boston, Massachusetts. Franklin is probably best known in the library community for founding the Library Company of Philadelphia in 1731. It was America's first lending library and can lay claim to being the predecessor of the free public library. For a brief period (Dec. 1733-Mar. 1734) Franklin actually served as the librarian for the Library Company. He also served as its secretary from 1746 to 1757. Franklin considered the Library Company to be the "Mother of all N. American Subscription Libraries ....".

"The only thing more expensive than education is ignorance."
--Benjamin Franklin

"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest"
--Benjamin Franklin

Not to mention Thomas Jefferson, the well known Commie...

Books constitute capital. A library book lasts as long as a house, for hundreds of years. It is not, then, an article of mere consumption but fairly of capital, and often in the case of professional men, setting out in life, it is their only capital.
--Thomas Jefferson

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state ofcivilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
--Thomas Jefferson

Or that OTHER Commie John Adams

There is such seduction in a library of good books that I cannot resist the temptation to luxuriate in reading.
--John Quincy Adams

Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people, who have...a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible,divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge, I mean the characters and conduct of their rulers."
--John Adams

Hard to imagine that Ben liked books so much when so much knowledge was available on the internet back then.

tenpoundsofcheese:
Hard to imagine that Ben liked books so much when so much knowledge was available on the internet back then.

so you hate the concept of a public library?

I saw an amusing bumper sticker this weekend that seem relevant.

"Tea Party? More like White Whine Party"

Damn, was that sticker dead on.

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese:
Hard to imagine that Ben liked books so much when so much knowledge was available on the internet back then.

so you hate the concept of a public library?

It is a Commie invention. I mean, really, isn't the purpose of government to use public monies to help private businesses stay afloat and secure public lands and resources for their use? I mean, what kind of Commie would support environmentalism? Probably some racist Democrat, right?







Next thing you know, some idiot will pull up some quote from some Lib who thought that corporate influence on elections wasn't right...

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese:
Hard to imagine that Ben liked books so much when so much knowledge was available on the internet back then.

so you hate the concept of a public library?

No.

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese:
Hard to imagine that Ben liked books so much when so much knowledge was available on the internet back then.

so you hate the concept of a public library?

No.

so you think the Tea Party was wrong then.

Can we just burn the Teabaggers?

NewportBarGuy: Can we just burn the Teabaggers?

they're soggy and don't burn very well.

hubiestubert: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese:
Hard to imagine that Ben liked books so much when so much knowledge was available on the internet back then.

so you hate the concept of a public library?

It is a Commie invention. I mean, really, isn't the purpose of government to use public monies to help private businesses stay afloat and secure public lands and resources for their use? I mean, what kind of Commie would support environmentalism? Probably some racist Democrat, right?

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Next thing you know, some idiot will pull up some quote from some Lib who thought that corporate influence on elections wasn't right...

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Sorry, but Republicans before the 1960s really don't count as Republicans. They really are RINOs, because until the mid-20th century, it was the Democrats (Southern Democrats especially) that were generally the ass backward conservative party while the Republicans were more forward thinking, with guys like Teddy Roosevelt who would have had his Birf certifict questioned by today's Republicans.

Nixon was the first modern Republican president.

So, yeah, it's cute to throw up pictures of Teddy Roosevelt or Abraham Lincoln and mention they were Republicans, but they were about as close to a modern day Republican as Strom Thurmond would be to a Democrat

Because asking a city or library to reduce expenses by 0.7% is too much to ask for in today's gooberments.

EnviroDude: Because asking a city or library to reduce expenses by 0.7% is too much to ask for in today's gooberments.

so you'd rather see the public library destroyed than find a way to shave .07% of the budget from somewhere else? if, as you imply, it's not that much money then i'm sure they could find the money somewhere else.

what i'm getting from our local fark GOP shills is that libraries just aren't that important to them.

FirstNationalBastard: So, yeah, it's cute to throw up pictures of Teddy Roosevelt or Abraham Lincoln and mention they were Republicans, but they were about as close to a modern day Republican as Strom Thurmond would be to a Democrat

Actually, what it does is illustrate the disconnect with the rhetoric of the modern party, while trying to call into question the intention of the Founders and the Republican legacy, and use the flag as a sort of totem to shield them from criticism by trying to frame issues in terms of patriotism.

That is the issue. The constant whine of Socialism, while trying to tear down the foundations of our republic is very much an issue. Illustrating that is necessary. Especially when trying to invoke the Founders and elder statesmen who would look upon their efforts with unbridled horror...

Weaver95: what i'm getting from our local fark GOP shills is that libraries just aren't that important to them.


I think their profile pics speak for themselves.

hubiestubert: FirstNationalBastard: So, yeah, it's cute to throw up pictures of Teddy Roosevelt or Abraham Lincoln and mention they were Republicans, but they were about as close to a modern day Republican as Strom Thurmond would be to a Democrat

Actually, what it does is illustrate the disconnect with the rhetoric of the modern party, while trying to call into question the intention of the Founders and the Republican legacy, and use the flag as a sort of totem to shield them from criticism by trying to frame issues in terms of patriotism.

That is the issue. The constant whine of Socialism, while trying to tear down the foundations of our republic is very much an issue. Illustrating that is necessary. Especially when trying to invoke the Founders and elder statesmen who would look upon their efforts with unbridled horror...

While that is a noble cause, you're talking to an audience that is generally ignorant of anything from BR (Before Reagan).

In fact, that's one of the major problems with everything.... we happily ignore history and doom ourselves to repeat it.

Hell, without TV and other modern distractions, we would have probably broken out into a Civil War by now with as stupid as both sides have become on everything.

Weaver95: NewportBarGuy: Can we just burn the Teabaggers?

they're soggy and don't burn very well.

hang them out to dry in the sun for a bit. Perhaps in Arizona.

Weaver95: EnviroDude: Because asking a city or library to reduce expenses by 0.7% is too much to ask for in today's gooberments.

so you'd rather see the public library destroyed than find a way to shave .07% of the budget from somewhere else? if, as you imply, it's not that much money then i'm sure they could find the money somewhere else.

what i'm getting from our local fark GOP shills is that libraries just aren't that important to them.

If I were the head librarian, I would find a way to reduce expenses by 0.7%. A reduction in hours, disconnecting the porn computer, etc.

To turn the rhetoric into a "burn the dayam books" campaign is a sign that the guy behind it should be fired.

EnviroDude: If I were the head librarian, I would find a way to reduce expenses by 0.7%. A reduction in hours, disconnecting the porn computer, etc.

To turn the rhetoric into a "burn the dayam books" campaign is a sign that the guy behind it should be fired.

You would pretty much defend anything the republicans do, wouldn't you?

EnviroDude: Weaver95: EnviroDude: Because asking a city or library to reduce expenses by 0.7% is too much to ask for in today's gooberments.

so you'd rather see the public library destroyed than find a way to shave .07% of the budget from somewhere else? if, as you imply, it's not that much money then i'm sure they could find the money somewhere else.

what i'm getting from our local fark GOP shills is that libraries just aren't that important to them.

If I were the head librarian, I would find a way to reduce expenses by 0.7%. A reduction in hours, disconnecting the porn computer, etc.

To turn the rhetoric into a "burn the dayam books" campaign is a sign that the guy behind it should be fired.

I believe your math only works if the library budget is 100% of the local budget. 0.7% of total tax revenues does not equal 0.7% of the library's budget.

You want to save the library. Then name another budget cut. A local budget cut.

Three Crooked Squirrels: I believe your math only works if the library budget is 100% of the local budget. 0.7% of total tax revenues does not equal 0.7% of the library's budget.

I was going to bring up the math but I just don't have the energy.

Three Crooked Squirrels: EnviroDude: Weaver95: EnviroDude: Because asking a city or library to reduce expenses by 0.7% is too much to ask for in today's gooberments.

so you'd rather see the public library destroyed than find a way to shave .07% of the budget from somewhere else? if, as you imply, it's not that much money then i'm sure they could find the money somewhere else.

what i'm getting from our local fark GOP shills is that libraries just aren't that important to them.

If I were the head librarian, I would find a way to reduce expenses by 0.7%. A reduction in hours, disconnecting the porn computer, etc.

To turn the rhetoric into a "burn the dayam books" campaign is a sign that the guy behind it should be fired.

I believe your math only works if the library budget is 100% of the local budget. 0.7% of total tax revenues does not equal 0.7% of the library's budget.

To be fair, s/he didn't specify.

Wangiss: To be fair, s/he didn't specify.

S/he mentioned the head librarian reducing expenses by 0.7%. I'm guessing the head librarian only has input into the library budget.

tThree Crooked Squirrels: Wangiss: To be fair, s/he didn't specify.

S/he mentioned the head librarian reducing expenses by 0.7%. I'm guessing the head librarian only has input into the library budget.

A re you also guessing that money doesn't come from the city budget?

Wangiss: tThree Crooked Squirrels: Wangiss: To be fair, s/he didn't specify.

S/he mentioned the head librarian reducing expenses by 0.7%. I'm guessing the head librarian only has input into the library budget.

A re you also guessing that money doesn't come from the city budget?

No. I'm not sure why you don't get my point. The library budget is a very small part of the total budget. If taxes on the total budget have to be raised 0.7% to cover the shortfall, the library can't shave 0.7% from its much smaller budget and cover the same shortfall. I don't know how to make myself any clearer. What is your point?

Libarry? Ain't dat da damn place where they got all dem...uhh lets see, whatcha call 'em...? Fold outs covered in scribblin's wrote up all over....

First off, not a tea-partier...

However I pay taxes for my cities' library and yet because I live less then 1/4mi outside of the city limits, I must pay $80 per year for a membership (on top of the % paid every year in property tax). Its bullshiat like this + the fact that libraries are becoming less and less relevant in the modern information age that I wouldn't feel bad about more of these libraries going out of business.

I work for a small village ambulance service that contracts with two towns. The Executive Director and CFO were mismanaging the hell out of it, not sending in billing and really shiatty record keeping. Long story short, they both got canned, So then an outcry arose (from them) that the village was in debt like $20k because of the ambulance service (The amount of debt was exactly what the new DPW truck cost btw). So they set up their own private ambulance service and went to one town supervisor, made him a board member and got him to loan them $100k of tax payers money so they could rent some equipment. Then they made board members out of the town council members who would vote for them to have contracts so they could serve each town instead of the current village service. The village service charged something like $5k a year over 5 years for their contract, but these two d-bags claim that's expensive. But they can't explain how the towns subsidizing a private company is OK. The state Comptroller is making a formal investigation because the deal is so crooked all the way around. I expect someone to end up in jail. Yes, they are Teabaggers.
This plan was also put to a public referendum and was soundly voted down, like 90-10. People often do see through politicians bullshiat.
Of course there is a fight over raising the school budget like 2%, but I think the backlash over this ambulance deal just has pissed everyone off.

Elzar: However I pay taxes for my cities' library and yet because I live less then 1/4mi outside of the city limits, I must pay $80 per year for a membership (on top of the % paid every year in property tax). Its bullshiat like this + the fact that libraries are becoming less and less relevant in the modern information age that I wouldn't feel bad about more of these libraries going out of business.

You do know that libraries have computers as well as books, right? And that some people do prefer browse through books rather than...oh forget it, just support your precious tax dollars to be used for new ICBMs we'll never use.

EnviroDude: Because asking a city or library to reduce expenses by 0.7% is too much to ask for in today's gooberments.

Yeah, actually, it is. Goober.