So for screwing over his country for decades, he gets a few months in gaol before he dies. No one else is held accountable. Sounds fair.

only a third of Egyptians were on the rebel side. A minority of people should not have that much influence

in fact they had free education, the government even paid for their peoples schooling overseas

yes such a bad man

when rebels try to overthrow a government of course innocents will get killed
but no one blames the rebels for that

hey egyptians enjoy the military dictatorship again

ontariolightning: BronyMedic: 9beers: He got totally railroaded in his trial, the dude was a decent leader.

Decent leaders don't rely on the Nuremburg Defense to excuse the actions of the troops under his command.

It doesn't matter if he cured cancer, AND brought peace to the middle east. The moment he gave his commanders blank slates to turn their weapons on unarmed civilian protestors, and did nothing to stop the wholesale murder of these, he was just as guilty as the soldier that pulled the trigger.

Wrong, it was a coup d'etat. When that happens the government has every right to protect itself

Doesn't a coup involve a central figure (or small group) with a unified force behind him/them? Because that's not what I thought happened during all the demonstrations.

ontariolightning: Wrong, it was a coup d'etat. When that happens the government has every right to protect itself



"And yet you hail them as heroes and 'founding fathers'."

ladyfortuna: ontariolightning: BronyMedic: 9beers: He got totally railroaded in his trial, the dude was a decent leader.

Decent leaders don't rely on the Nuremburg Defense to excuse the actions of the troops under his command.

It doesn't matter if he cured cancer, AND brought peace to the middle east. The moment he gave his commanders blank slates to turn their weapons on unarmed civilian protestors, and did nothing to stop the wholesale murder of these, he was just as guilty as the soldier that pulled the trigger.

Wrong, it was a coup d'etat. When that happens the government has every right to protect itself

Doesn't a coup involve a central figure (or small group) with a unified force behind him/them? Because that's not what I thought happened during all the demonstrations.

Muslim Brotherhood were pretty central, as for demonstrations do you mean rebels armed with weapons causing riots?

you watch too much CNN/western media, reality is different though

Thank God!! One less rap artist poisoning the minds of our youth. Next on the list: Akon and 50 Cent. that is all.

Wait, so, right now, can we consider him to be both alive AND dead? Simultaneously?

He's gone from being president of Egypt to Schrödinger's Cat. O_o

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: ontariolightning: Wrong, it was a coup d'etat. When that happens the government has every right to protect itself

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"And yet you hail them as heroes and 'founding fathers'."

Mubarak was moderate up until the coup happened.
the people taking over will be much more extreme, more brutal
regime change is a biatch sometimes

BronyMedic: /it's wierd how many nefarious characters are dead or dying, only to mysteriously spring back to life in the Middle East.

Pretty sure that Qaddafi guy croaked it.
/will NOT post the pic
//Bin Laden is everyone's favorite chum

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: ontariolightning: Wrong, it was a coup d'etat. When that happens the government has every right to protect itself

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"And yet you hail them as heroes and 'founding fathers'."

One man's democratically elected government is another man's Hamas.

ontariolightning: BronyMedic: 9beers: He got totally railroaded in his trial, the dude was a decent leader.

Decent leaders don't rely on the Nuremburg Defense to excuse the actions of the troops under his command.

It doesn't matter if he cured cancer, AND brought peace to the middle east. The moment he gave his commanders blank slates to turn their weapons on unarmed civilian protestors, and did nothing to stop the wholesale murder of these, he was just as guilty as the soldier that pulled the trigger.

Wrong, it was a coup d'etat. When that happens the government has every right to protect itself

Firing on unarmed civilian crowds by military forces, and commiting acts mass murder is "protecting itsself"? I think you need to call the correspondance school which you got your international law degree from, and demand your money back.

Tell me your feelings on the holocaust, please. Mass murder or legitimate military action to protect the peace of the Nazi Government?

ontariolightning: ladyfortuna: ontariolightning: BronyMedic: 9beers:

Wrong, it was a coup d'etat. When that happens the government has every right to protect itself

Doesn't a coup involve a central figure (or small group) with a unified force behind him/them? Because that's not what I thought happened during all the demonstrations.

Muslim Brotherhood were pretty central, as for demonstrations do you mean rebels armed with weapons causing riots?

you watch too much CNN/western media, reality is different though

I don't 'watch' any media, I generally read articles from various news outlets. I also spent that entire first month listening to every NPR report on Morning Edition while I was working, including those from journalists who were on location.

You sound suspiciously like the Fox News fans I knew at the time who were convinced the MB was about to take over the entire country within days. Since your profile doesn't say where you are located, I am left to equate you with them until otherwise informed...

ontariolightning: Mubarak was moderate up until the coup happened.

He was still a dictator.

the people taking over will be much more extreme, more brutal
regime change is a biatch sometimes

Can't trust the muzzies to govern themselves, eh wot? We must support our military-backed strongmen, white man's burden and all.

As Coroner I must aver, I thoroughly examined him, and he's not only merely dead, he's really most sincerely dead.

BronyMedic: Mass murder or legitimate military action to protect the peace of the Nazi Government?

Went too fast to the Nazi card. Go with the Boston Massacre or Tianamen instead.

Triumph: The only way to figure this out is to check Twitter.

Albert Brooks has it covered

So how's Abe Vigoda doing?

Mostly dead is still a little bit alive, they can be brought back. Now completely dead there ain't but one thing you can do.... Rumage through thier pockets for loose change

BronyMedic: ontariolightning: BronyMedic: 9beers: He got totally railroaded in his trial, the dude was a decent leader.

Decent leaders don't rely on the Nuremburg Defense to excuse the actions of the troops under his command.

It doesn't matter if he cured cancer, AND brought peace to the middle east. The moment he gave his commanders blank slates to turn their weapons on unarmed civilian protestors, and did nothing to stop the wholesale murder of these, he was just as guilty as the soldier that pulled the trigger.

Wrong, it was a coup d'etat. When that happens the government has every right to protect itself

Firing on unarmed civilian crowds by military forces, and commiting acts mass murder is "protecting itsself"? I think you need to call the correspondance school which you got your international law degree from, and demand your money back.

Tell me your feelings on the holocaust, please. Mass murder or legitimate military action to protect the peace of the Nazi Government?

BronyMedic: ontariolightning: BronyMedic: 9beers: He got totally railroaded in his trial, the dude was a decent leader.

Decent leaders don't rely on the Nuremburg Defense to excuse the actions of the troops under his command.

It doesn't matter if he cured cancer, AND brought peace to the middle east. The moment he gave his commanders blank slates to turn their weapons on unarmed civilian protestors, and did nothing to stop the wholesale murder of these, he was just as guilty as the soldier that pulled the trigger.

Wrong, it was a coup d'etat. When that happens the government has every right to protect itself

Firing on unarmed civilian crowds by military forces, and commiting acts mass murder is "protecting itsself"? I think you need to call the correspondance school which you got your international law degree from, and demand your money back.

Tell me your feelings on the holocaust, please. Mass murder or legitimate military action to protect the peace of the Nazi Government?

Sometimes people have to be killed for the good of the country, that is the reality of this world

You must be one of those people who under no circumstances would kill anyone, congrats on that Superman

But when rebels are trying to overthrow your government under the guise of we want democracy even though its really we want Shariah law, then a lot of people are going to die

ontariolightning:
Mubarak was moderate up until the coup happened.
the people taking over will be much more extreme, more brutal
regime change is a biatch sometimes

Whoa, it's like my brother had a Fark account.

Hopefully, this will be followed up by praise of Gaddafi, who was totally going to unify Africa under the gold standard. Until the Kenyan Usurper had him killed.

ladyfortuna: ontariolightning: ladyfortuna: ontariolightning: BronyMedic: 9beers:

Wrong, it was a coup d'etat. When that happens the government has every right to protect itself

Doesn't a coup involve a central figure (or small group) with a unified force behind him/them? Because that's not what I thought happened during all the demonstrations.

Muslim Brotherhood were pretty central, as for demonstrations do you mean rebels armed with weapons causing riots?

you watch too much CNN/western media, reality is different though

I don't 'watch' any media, I generally read articles from various news outlets. I also spent that entire first month listening to every NPR report on Morning Edition while I was working, including those from journalists who were on location.

You sound suspiciously like the Fox News fans I knew at the time who were convinced the MB was about to take over the entire country within days. Since your profile doesn't say where you are located, I am left to equate you with them until otherwise informed...

I'm not American and don't even get American Fox News. But you were duped. Nothing is what it seems on the news.

ontariolightning: But when rebels are trying to overthrow your government under the guise of we want democracy even though its really we want Shariah law, then a lot of people are going to die

If a majority of Egyptians want Shariah law and that's what they vote for, that is democracy, Einstein.

vermiis: ontariolightning:
Mubarak was moderate up until the coup happened.
the people taking over will be much more extreme, more brutal
regime change is a biatch sometimes

Whoa, it's like my brother had a Fark account.

Hopefully, this will be followed up by praise of Gaddafi, who was totally going to unify Africa under the gold standard. Until the Kenyan Usurper had him killed.

vermiis: ontariolightning:
Mubarak was moderate up until the coup happened.
the people taking over will be much more extreme, more brutal
regime change is a biatch sometimes

Whoa, it's like my brother had a Fark account.

Hopefully, this will be followed up by praise of Gaddafi, who was totally going to unify Africa under the gold standard. Until the Kenyan Usurper had him killed.

Hussein was killed cause he was going to drop the greenback and use gold

It looks like the Illuminati fumbled the ball when they tried cloaking their shiat this time.

/hot

ontariolightning: Sometimes people have to be killed for the good of the country, that is the reality of this world

Y'know what, BronyMedic, nevermind.

404 page not found: ontariolightning: But when rebels are trying to overthrow your government under the guise of we want democracy even though its really we want Shariah law, then a lot of people are going to die

If a majority of Egyptians want Shariah law and that's what they vote for, that is democracy, Einstein.

1. US overthrew how mant elected governments cause of commies?
2. The rebels did not have a majority of support

cashman: I dunno about Mubarak, but Abe Vigoda is still alive, at least according to www.abevigoda.com.

And he'll be alive until he dies.

ontariolightning: Sometimes people have to be killed for the good of the country, that is the reality of this world

So unarmed, non-military civilians who are participating in an act of legitimate protest against their Government, a recognized right of any first and second world democratic country (which Egypt at the time claimed to be), are legitimate targets for military action - including shelling with fragmentation warheads and machine-gunning?

Well. I know what your FARK note is now. And I bet you think Syria is just making the population passive, right?

ontariolightning: You must be one of those people who under no circumstances would kill anyone, congrats on that Superman

Tell me more about how you know what I'd do and not do. I wouldn't care if they went after armed rebels trying to overthrow their Government. That would be a legitimate, legal target.

They didn't. They commited acts of mass murder against their own populace. Unarmed men, women, and children, who's only crime was speaking out against Government corruption. You know: Rights the United States and the EU hold sacred.

ontariolightning: But when rebels are trying to overthrow your government under the guise of we want democracy even though its really we want Shariah law, then a lot of people are going to die

That's some pretty hardcore, panic-mongering Derp there, lightning. And that's your justification for the mass murder of unarmed civilians?

ontariolightning: 1. US overthrew how mant elected governments cause of commies?

This is the age of information, son. Go look it up. Try Google even.

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: ontariolightning: Sometimes people have to be killed for the good of the country, that is the reality of this world

Y'know what, BronyMedic, nevermind.

Yeah. I had a feeling I went too far with that comment, but now, I'm not so sure. I think it was spot on.

I have a feeling that ontariolightning would be the first one to put on his Hugo Boss-designed Knee Boots, and goosestep to the extermination camps.

Let me know if his status changes.

9beers: He got totally railroaded in his trial, the dude was a decent leader.


By decent you mean didn't have enough civilians killed during protests? What a nice troll you are.

BronyMedic: ontariolightning: Sometimes people have to be killed for the good of the country, that is the reality of this world

So unarmed, non-military civilians who are participating in an act of legitimate protest against their Government, a recognized right of any first and second world democratic country (which Egypt at the time claimed to be), are legitimate targets for military action - including shelling with fragmentation warheads and machine-gunning?

Well. I know what your FARK note is now. And I bet you think Syria is just making the population passive, right?

ontariolightning: You must be one of those people who under no circumstances would kill anyone, congrats on that Superman

Tell me more about how you know what I'd do and not do. I wouldn't care if they went after armed rebels trying to overthrow their Government. That would be a legitimate, legal target.

They didn't. They commited acts of mass murder against their own populace. Unarmed men, women, and children, who's only crime was speaking out against Government corruption. You know: Rights the United States and the EU hold sacred.

ontariolightning: But when rebels are trying to overthrow your government under the guise of we want democracy even though its really we want Shariah law, then a lot of people are going to die

That's some pretty hardcore, panic-mongering Derp there, lightning. And that's your justification for the mass murder of unarmed civilians?

Unarmed civillians? I had family there, those protestors had weapons, grenades, machine guns, AKs, rocket launchers, they would use the women and children as shields. Mainstream media would not report it cause they had wanted Mubarak gone

And Mubarak's lawyer, Fareed El Deeb, told CNN, "He has been in a coma for hours now. He has had water on the lungs for 10 days now and his blood pressure is down today, which obstructed his breathing and forced doctors to put him on a respirator. He was given medicine intravenously to relieve the brain clot, and electric shocks were used to revive him but there was no substantial response. He is not dead as reported."

/Hmm...sounds pretty farking dead to me. Electric shocks...and 0 response. Ya, time to bury him, he's getting cold.

ontariolightning:
Unarmed civillians? I had family there, those protestors had weapons, grenades, machine guns, AKs, rocket launchers, they would use the women and children as shields. Mainstream media would not report it cause they had wanted Mubarak gone

You have proof of this, right? Those weren't unarmed civilians that Mubarak's troops opened up on, but they all had weapons and were actively seeking to overthrow the Government, in violation of the evidence presented not only at his trial, but to the international community as proof of crimes against humanity?

Oh. Right. Word of mouth. You had family there. The Mainsteam Media would not report it.

/facepalm.

ontariolightning: But when rebels are trying to overthrow your government under the guise of we want democracy even though its really we want Shariah law, then a lot of people are going to die


They weren't protesting to overthrow the government originally.

The Arab Spring was about unemployment, high food prices, and a oppressive military.

"OUR TOP STORY TONIGHT - HOSNI MUBARAK IS STILL NOT DEAD! GOOD NIGHT AND HAVE A PLEASANT TOMORROW!"

404 page not found: If a majority of Egyptians want Shariah law and that's what they vote for, that is democracy, Einstein.

Democracies suck. Constitutional republics are the way to go. James Madison's warnings about the tyranny of the majority are writ large all over the Egyptian election. Women, secularists and a lot of minority religions are about to take a huge step backward in that country.

BronyMedic: ontariolightning:
Unarmed civillians? I had family there, those protestors had weapons, grenades, machine guns, AKs, rocket launchers, they would use the women and children as shields. Mainstream media would not report it cause they had wanted Mubarak gone

You have proof of this, right? Those weren't unarmed civilians that Mubarak's troops opened up on, but they all had weapons and were actively seeking to overthrow the Government, in violation of the evidence presented not only at his trial, but to the international community as proof of crimes against humanity?

Oh. Right. Word of mouth. You had family there. The Mainsteam Media would not report it.

/facepalm.

It doesnt bother me that many of you are sheep. You will believe what you saw on the news who control what you see and think

me, I'll go with family who have no reason to lie to me

ontariolightning: I had family there

And there's the last piece of the puzzle. This is as much fun as when the Gaddafi loyalists showed up on 4chan.

Triumph: 404 page not found: If a majority of Egyptians want Shariah law and that's what they vote for, that is democracy, Einstein.

Democracies suck. Constitutional republics are the way to go. James Madison's warnings about the tyranny of the majority are writ large all over the Egyptian election. Women, secularists and a lot of minority religions are about to take a huge step backward in that country....for me to poop on!

ontariolightning: It doesnt bother me that many of you are sheep.

You might want to check your camera/microphone there. I think the Baa-ing is coming from your end.

ontariolightning: You will believe what you saw on the news who control what you see and think

Really? I'm so glad the liberal conspiracy controls such bastions of progressiveness like Al Jazeera, the BBC, and the Japan Times.

ontariolightning: me, I'll go with family who have no reason to lie to me

And I'm going to go with [citation needed]

ontariolightning: BronyMedic: ontariolightning:
Unarmed civillians? I had family there, those protestors had weapons, grenades, machine guns, AKs, rocket launchers, they would use the women and children as shields. Mainstream media would not report it cause they had wanted Mubarak gone

You have proof of this, right? Those weren't unarmed civilians that Mubarak's troops opened up on, but they all had weapons and were actively seeking to overthrow the Government, in violation of the evidence presented not only at his trial, but to the international community as proof of crimes against humanity?

Oh. Right. Word of mouth. You had family there. The Mainsteam Media would not report it.

/facepalm.

It doesnt bother me that many of you are sheep. You will believe what you saw on the news who control what you see and think

me, I'll go with family who have no reason to lie to me

p.s. you were adopted. Sorry you had to hear about it on Fark.

ontariolightning: me, I'll go with family who have no reason to lie to me

hahahaohwow.jpg

But what do I know, I only watched 'n read Al Jazeera and the Guardian last spring. Y'know, 'western media'.

404 page not found: ontariolightning: But when rebels are trying to overthrow your government under the guise of we want democracy even though its really we want Shariah law, then a lot of people are going to die

If a majority of Egyptians want Shariah law and that's what they vote for, that is democracy, Einstein.

ummm...Hitler came to power through a democratic process. Majority rule is great if you are one of the majority. Not sure that is the argument you want to go with.

wouldnt surprise me if rebels killed the egyptian soldiers and stripped them of their uniforms, put them on, and fired on the women and children.

All to put international pressure on Mubarak and reach their goal

ontariolightning: wouldnt surprise me if rebels killed the egyptian soldiers and stripped them of their uniforms, put them on, and fired on the women and children.

All to put international pressure on Mubarak and reach their goal

ontariolightning: wouldnt surprise me if rebels killed the egyptian soldiers and stripped them of their uniforms, put them on, and fired on the women and children.

All to put international pressure on Mubarak and reach their goal

Ok. You've lost your rights to comment in this thread. You've gone from an ethically horrendous but vaild conversation, way off into the left field of conspiracies and unprovable conjecture.

At this point, I'm sure you're either suffering from a learning disability, or trying to troll.

ontariolightning: wouldnt surprise me if rebels killed the egyptian soldiers and stripped them of their uniforms, put them on, and fired on the women and children.

All to put international pressure on Mubarak and reach their goal

Hey, man... Spoilers. Not everyone has read the third book yet.

Or were we still pretending this was reality?

BronyMedic: ontariolightning: wouldnt surprise me if rebels killed the egyptian soldiers and stripped them of their uniforms, put them on, and fired on the women and children.

All to put international pressure on Mubarak and reach their goal

Ok. You've lost your rights to comment in this thread. You've gone from an ethically horrendous but vaild conversation, way off into the left field of conspiracies and unprovable conjecture.

At this point, I'm sure you're either suffering from a learning disability, or trying to troll.

Its actually a clever tactic