Good.

It will give his victims something to go after when they start the lawsuits.

He can go on a shopping spree in the prison mall, then.

Why should a crime forfeit a pension?

Now he can buy himself a little something.

Sysco really jacks up the prices on Cheezits in prison.

GAT_00: Why should a crime forfeit a pension?

Because emotion ...something....outrage...something... .revenge!

GAT_00: Why should a crime forfeit a pension?

If it's a private pension based on investments he's made from his own money over the years, then i'm entirely in agreement.

If, on the other hand, it's a state pension funded by the taxpayers as a reward for years of public service, then fark him. Raping kids doesn't count as a valuable public service.

DammitIForgotMyLogin: GAT_00: Why should a crime forfeit a pension?

If it's a private pension based on investments he's made from his own money over the years, then i'm entirely in agreement.

If, on the other hand, it's a state pension funded by the taxpayers as a reward for years of public service, then fark him. Raping kids doesn't count as a valuable public service.

According to TFA, It is a state pension, and there is a list of "certain crimes that breach the member's duty of faithful and honest public service." Sex crimes are not among them for some reason.

mr_a: Good.

It will give his victims something to go after when they start the lawsuits.

I doubt he will ever see a dime of his pension. The victims will get every check sent to him.

DammitIForgotMyLogin: a state pension funded by the taxpayers as a reward for years of public service,

I agree that it's bothersome to the extreme that he would be able to continue receiving a very generous pension after being convicted for what he did, but a pension is not a "reward." It's part of the compensation package that a long-time employee receives for his or her years of service. It's no more a "reward" than a salary, health care, or the expectation of an 8-hour work day and holidays off, though there exists a mighty propaganda push in this country by self-serving assholes to redefine it otherwise. In any case, the problem here is the law that allows him to keep receiving it, so the solution is to fix the law and make it retroactive, not whine about how he needs to be made some special exemption.

Pocket Ninja: It's part of the compensation package that a long-time employee receives for his or her years of service. It's no more a "reward" than a salary, health care, or the expectation of an 8-hour work day and holidays off

Yeah, "reward" was the wrong word to use, but if he gets caught diddling kids and fired, he loses his salary, health care, etc, so why not his pension ...

In any case, the problem here is the law that allows him to keep receiving it, so the solution is to fix the law and make it retroactive, not whine about how he needs to be made some special exemption.

Entirely agreed :)

Pocket Ninja: DammitIForgotMyLogin: a state pension funded by the taxpayers as a reward for years of public service,

I agree that it's bothersome to the extreme that he would be able to continue receiving a very generous pension after being convicted for what he did, but a pension is not a "reward." It's part of the compensation package that a long-time employee receives for his or her years of service. It's no more a "reward" than a salary, health care, or the expectation of an 8-hour work day and holidays off, though there exists a mighty propaganda push in this country by self-serving assholes to redefine it otherwise. In any case, the problem here is the law that allows him to keep receiving it, so the solution is to fix the law and make it retroactive, not whine about how he needs to be made some special exemption.

Ex-post facto issues will arise, and that is very strictly unconstitutional to pass those kinds of laws

One thing I hate when human filth like this idiot get thrown in a dungeon forever is we don't get to watch them suffer. I'm in favor of putting them naked in a glass cage and selling tasers for a dollar to tourists. With a 24-hour webcam of course.

Is that wrong?

Confabulat: One thing I hate when human filth like this idiot get thrown in a dungeon forever is we don't get to watch them suffer. I'm in favor of putting them naked in a glass cage and selling tasers for a dollar to tourists. With a 24-hour webcam of course.

Is that wrong?

Yes, because people may extend such punishments to non-sexual abuse cases like fraud, murder, smoking pot, etc

I'm okay with this.Because lawsuits.

And if his wife knew anything, or even suspected and did not investigate thoroughly, then sue for everything she has, too. Let her get a job at wal-mart and live in a one room hole in the wall.

Rep. Boyle introduced a bill in 2011, before Sandusky was charged, that is now one of six bills that could broaden the list of crimes that require public workers to give up their pensions,

They could do it like Social Security, where you lose your benefits if you go to prison for more than a month.

Sybarite: Rep. Boyle introduced a bill in 2011, before Sandusky was charged, that is now one of six bills that could broaden the list of crimes that require public workers to give up their pensions,

They could do it like Social Security, where you lose your benefits if you go to prison for more than a month.

Still couldn't be retroactive. Even if the bill was introduced means nothing, if it is not law on the books at the time of arrest then it doesn't count.

mauricecano: Sybarite: Rep. Boyle introduced a bill in 2011, before Sandusky was charged, that is now one of six bills that could broaden the list of crimes that require public workers to give up their pensions,

They could do it like Social Security, where you lose your benefits if you go to prison for more than a month.

Still couldn't be retroactive. Even if the bill was introduced means nothing, if it is not law on the books at the time of arrest then it doesn't count.



Yes, I'm fully aware. But it's not like this kind of thing is never going to come up again. There are a lot of people drawing state pensions.

I'm thinking a carton of cigarettes and a couple dirty magazines could take care this....

That'll buy a lot of lube at the prison commissary.

He won't live long enough in prison to get much of it anyway.

cman: Pocket Ninja: DammitIForgotMyLogin: a state pension funded by the taxpayers as a reward for years of public service,

I agree that it's bothersome to the extreme that he would be able to continue receiving a very generous pension after being convicted for what he did, but a pension is not a "reward." It's part of the compensation package that a long-time employee receives for his or her years of service. It's no more a "reward" than a salary, health care, or the expectation of an 8-hour work day and holidays off, though there exists a mighty propaganda push in this country by self-serving assholes to redefine it otherwise. In any case, the problem here is the law that allows him to keep receiving it, so the solution is to fix the law and make it retroactive, not whine about how he needs to be made some special exemption.

Ex-post facto issues will arise, and that is very strictly unconstitutional to pass those kinds of laws

Would it be considered ex-post facto if it merely stripped him of his pension from the time the law was passed, and not from the time he was convicted?

/not a lawyer, not being sarcastic, genuine question :)

I'm sure he'll enjoy spending it... on cartons of smokes to buy protection from the Sisters.

Someone is gonna have a fat account at the commissary.

cman: mr_a: Good.

It will give his victims something to go after when they start the lawsuits.

I doubt he will ever see a dime of his pension. The victims will get every check sent to him.

Are pensions considered an asset in civil cases? I know the Goldmans couldn't touch OJ's NFL pension.

mr_a: Good.

It will give his victims something to go after when they start the lawsuits.

That was going to be my exact comment. It's not like he will see any of the money. It should go into a fund and be distributed to the victims.

O.J. was also not found guilty of the double murder. I don't know whether that makes a difference in his case.

So child rape doesn't make the list? You'd think something like that would go without saying.

cman: mr_a: Good.

It will give his victims something to go after when they start the lawsuits.

I doubt he will ever see a dime of his pension. The victims enabling wife will get every check sent to him.

fixed

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Pocket Ninja: It's part of the compensation package that a long-time employee receives for his or her years of service. It's no more a "reward" than a salary, health care, or the expectation of an 8-hour work day and holidays off

Yeah, "reward" was the wrong word to use, but if he gets caught diddling kids and fired, he loses his salary, health care, etc, so why not his pension ...

In any case, the problem here is the law that allows him to keep receiving it, so the solution is to fix the law and make it retroactive, not whine about how he needs to be made some special exemption.

Entirely agreed :)

the key is you earn pension a you work. He loses future pay benefits, etc but he does not have to give back what he already earned. So as far a the pension is concerned he will not accrue more value but the amount he already has vested is money he already earned. At most companies you earn a percentage each year worked. So for example you work 10 years you get 10% of your former pay you work 20 years you get 20%. So he should get the percentage he has already earned but wouldn't get the full amount as if he finished his career there

well he needs the money. No one wants him to get a little behind.

GAT_00: Why should a crime forfeit a pension?

When the crime is a felony and related to one's official position, which is how it works in Alabama. I'm a public employee involved in purchasing decisions. If I were to be convicted of accepting bribes in exchange for purchasing decisions, bye bye pension. If I'm convicted of robbing the local mini-mart, I'll have a really nice prison bank account.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Now he can buy himself a little something.

Since no one else is going to give you credit, I will.

Well done.

KiwDaWabbit: mr_a: Good.

It will give his victims something to go after when they start the lawsuits.

That was going to be my exact comment. It's not like he will see any of the money. It should go into a fund and be distributed to the victims.

O.J. was also not found guilty of the double murder. I don't know whether that makes a difference in his case.

No, because the finding of civil liability was all that was needed for the Goldmans to get damages. California law prevents using pensions to satisfy damages, which is why O.J.'s NFL pension couldn't be touched. I don't know if PA has a similar law. If it doesn't, everyone else is right, Sandusky (or his wife) won't see a dime of that money.

taliesinwi: KiwDaWabbit: mr_a: Good.

It will give his victims something to go after when they start the lawsuits.

That was going to be my exact comment. It's not like he will see any of the money. It should go into a fund and be distributed to the victims.

O.J. was also not found guilty of the double murder. I don't know whether that makes a difference in his case.

No, because the finding of civil liability was all that was needed for the Goldmans to get damages. California law prevents using pensions to satisfy damages, which is why O.J.'s NFL pension couldn't be touched. I don't know if PA has a similar law. If it doesn't, everyone else is right, Sandusky (or his wife) won't see a dime of that money.

I thought that was a federal thing (similar to Social Security), especially after OJ moved to Florida?

I think we can take all Sandusky-related articles out of the Sports section at this point. Unless prison shower rape is now a sport.

Attention folks saying/calling for the rape or murder of Sandusky in prison:
He is not in Gen-Pop, nor will he be. Please stop trying to justify more rape and/or murder.

DammitIForgotMyLogin: cman: Pocket Ninja: DammitIForgotMyLogin: a state pension funded by the taxpayers as a reward for years of public service,

I agree that it's bothersome to the extreme that he would be able to continue receiving a very generous pension after being convicted for what he did, but a pension is not a "reward." It's part of the compensation package that a long-time employee receives for his or her years of service. It's no more a "reward" than a salary, health care, or the expectation of an 8-hour work day and holidays off, though there exists a mighty propaganda push in this country by self-serving assholes to redefine it otherwise. In any case, the problem here is the law that allows him to keep receiving it, so the solution is to fix the law and make it retroactive, not whine about how he needs to be made some special exemption.

Ex-post facto issues will arise, and that is very strictly unconstitutional to pass those kinds of laws

Would it be considered ex-post facto if it merely stripped him of his pension from the time the law was passed, and not from the time he was convicted?

/not a lawyer, not being sarcastic, genuine question :)

IANAL either, but I would assume that it would still be ex-post facto, as he couldn't lose his pension for being convicted of kiddy diddling at the time he was convicted of kiddy diddling. Now if the law was changed today and went into effect tomorrow, he'd lose it if he gets convicted of molesting his adopted son because THAT would occur after the law took effect.

MorrisBird: Sysco really jacks up the prices on Cheezits in prison.

Nah, that's Quark's fault.

Meh.. he's probably not going to live very long in PMITA prison.

WhackingDay: Meh.. he's probably not going to live very long in PMITA prison.

Do you think the other prisoners will have a problem with him raping underprivileged kids?

Confabulat: One thing I hate when human filth like this idiot get thrown in a dungeon forever is we don't get to watch them suffer. I'm in favor of putting them naked in a glass cage and selling tasers for a dollar to tourists. With a 24-hour webcam of course.

Is that wrong?

Yes because he just might enjoy it.

/Taze me again little boy ...

TheGreatGazoo: taliesinwi: KiwDaWabbit: mr_a: Good.

It will give his victims something to go after when they start the lawsuits.

That was going to be my exact comment. It's not like he will see any of the money. It should go into a fund and be distributed to the victims.

O.J. was also not found guilty of the double murder. I don't know whether that makes a difference in his case.

No, because the finding of civil liability was all that was needed for the Goldmans to get damages. California law prevents using pensions to satisfy damages, which is why O.J.'s NFL pension couldn't be touched. I don't know if PA has a similar law. If it doesn't, everyone else is right, Sandusky (or his wife) won't see a dime of that money.

I thought that was a federal thing (similar to Social Security), especially after OJ moved to Florida?

I'm pretty sure that since the judgment was in California civil court, the rules there apply, regardless of where he lives. IANAL.

Doesn't matter though, because his daughter is currently pissing away his pension and letting his house go into foreclosure while he rots in prison. Karma's a biatch.

Ex post facto the law can't be changed.

Pensions can't be touched in a lawsuit.

The guy's a scumbag, but appeasing the mob is never a good idea.

mr_a: Good.

It will give his victims something to go after when they start the lawsuits.

I'm sure his lawyers already got dibs on most of it.

FirstNationalBastard: According to TFA, It is a state pension, and there is a list of "certain crimes that breach the member's duty of faithful and honest public service." Sex crimes are not among them for some reason.

My guess is every university is going to start fixing that in their contracts from now on.

GAT_00: Why should a crime forfeit a pension?

Wasn't he a public employee that used his job to set this whole thing up? I'm pretty sure there are laws in some states that forfeit any public money in your pension if you use that position to commit/facilitate crimes.

xtragrind: GAT_00: Why should a crime forfeit a pension?

Wasn't he a public employee that used his job to set this whole thing up? I'm pretty sure there are laws in some states that forfeit any public money in your pension if you use that position to commit/facilitate crimes.

I believe the law governing this however is tailored to specific crimes as opposed to saying "any felony"

And I believe I did see someone above citing ex post facto considerations for anyone who thinks you can just retroactively fix that.

It's the difference between what is 'legal' and what is 'right' (for a particular standard of right and wrong, standards of right and wrong don't line up with legality nearly as often as one would hope.)

ole prophet: Attention folks saying/calling for the rape or murder of Sandusky in prison:
He is not in Gen-Pop, nor will he be.

Hm.... what is

"What was also said about Jeffrey Dahmer and John Geoghan?"

IANAL, but from the list of crimes which would require forfeiture of his pension, it seems like a clever prosecutor could do something with...

Section 4113 (relating to misapplication of entrusted property and property of government or financial institutions) when the criminal culpability reaches the level of misdemeanor of the second degree.

If he committed the crimes on state property, seems like that's pretty much a slam-dunk. Showers were not designed or intended for raping kids, so I'd consider that a "misapplication of entrusted property". Hell, even using the state-owned telephone to communicate with his victims could probably count.