Thanks Grandma for ridding us of this whippersnapper.

Seriously shot 8 times and still had enough breath to call 911 -she should have shot 9 times.

An autopsy revealed that Jonathan was shot three times in the chest, once in the abdomen and once in his left arm. The teen also had traces of synthetic marijuana in his urine, tests showed.

Bath salts? Was he trying to eat her?

But seriously, you might be able to claim self defense if you just shot him once in the chest. But to go back inside and shoot him 2 more times in the chest is cold-blooded murder.

Walker: But to go back inside and shoot him 2 more times in the chest is cold-blooded murder.

This. Grandma's going to spend the rest of her days behind bars.

Crackhead? Didn't see anything like that in the article, jump-to-conclusionsmitter

Walker: An autopsy revealed that Jonathan was shot three times in the chest, once in the abdomen and once in his left arm. The teen also had traces of synthetic marijuana in his urine, tests showed.

Bath salts? Was he trying to eat her?

But seriously, you might be able to claim self defense if you just shot him once in the chest. But to go back inside and shoot him 2 more times in the chest is cold-blooded murder.

Synthetic marijuana isn't bath salts. Still stupid, but different stupid.

I agree it was murder though.

gopher321: Crackhead? Didn't see anything like that in the article, jump-to-conclusionsmitter

Marijuana is crack, duh. Why do you love terrorism?

"If you listen closely to the 911 tape, he's grabbing onto her and he's holding her. He's not letting her go," her lawyer said.

Maybe he's trying to keep her from putting a few more rounds him.

Tonight I'm watching BOTH grandkids!

macadamnut: gopher321: Crackhead? Didn't see anything like that in the article, jump-to-conclusionsmitter

Marijuana is crack, duh. Why do you love terrorism?

says the crack reporter

poor lady. She shoulda had a V-8.

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Dirtybird971: poor lady. She shoulda had a V-8.

" V-8, V-9....Whatever it takes..."

Sounds like grandma is the deranged crack head.

Strange story, that 'synthetic marijuana' is weird stuff though. I've heard of people having some pretty crazy reactions to it.

Walker: An autopsy revealed that Jonathan was shot three times in the chest, once in the abdomen and once in his left arm. The teen also had traces of synthetic marijuana in his urine, tests showed.

Bath salts? Was he trying to eat her?

But seriously, you might be able to claim self defense if you just shot him once in the chest. But to go back inside and shoot him 2 more times in the chest is cold-blooded murder.

Not bath salts, Incense.

K2, Oz, Spice, Chronic.... and your local party store or gas station will gladly sell anybody, even an 8 year old, a packet if you have $25 to spend on it.

The problem is this stuff can cause severe psychosis. It's bad enough that the military, which usually second chances pot and cocaine users, will kick you out if you have this in your possession. It's not a reaction to hysteria or flustered helicopter moms, but a result of seeing the damage in naval hospital psych wards.

Bath Salts tends to be a bit worse, because the synthetics used are "harsher" targets, like PCP analogs. Both are bad, IMO. Its users are in the same class as paint huffers.

Because People in power are Stupid: Seriously shot 8 times and still had enough breath to call 911 -she should have shot 9 times.

TFA: "Nine spent cartridge cases also were found in the house."

She shot the kid absolutely full of holes, while he was calling the police and begging for his life. Maybe he was a bad kid, maybe she shouldn't have let him live with her, who knows? But she murdered him, and cared enough about doing so to reload in order to finish up.

Nem Wan: Because People in power are Stupid: Seriously shot 8 times and still had enough breath to call 911 -she should have shot 9 times.

TFA: "Nine spent cartridge cases also were found in the house."

Maybe one of the shots missed?

LesserEvil: Walker: An autopsy revealed that Jonathan was shot three times in the chest, once in the abdomen and once in his left arm. The teen also had traces of synthetic marijuana in his urine, tests showed.

Bath salts? Was he trying to eat her?

But seriously, you might be able to claim self defense if you just shot him once in the chest. But to go back inside and shoot him 2 more times in the chest is cold-blooded murder.

Not bath salts, Incense.

K2, Oz, Spice, Chronic.... and your local party store or gas station will gladly sell anybody, even an 8 year old, a packet if you have $25 to spend on it.

The problem is this stuff can cause severe psychosis. It's bad enough that the military, which usually second chances pot and cocaine users, will kick you out if you have this in your possession. It's not a reaction to hysteria or flustered helicopter moms, but a result of seeing the damage in naval hospital psych wards.

Bath Salts tends to be a bit worse, because the synthetics used are "harsher" targets, like PCP analogs. Both are bad, IMO. Its users are in the same class as paint huffers.


No they won't. When in the Navy, it was "Zero Tolerance". No ifs, ands, or buts. I new several guys who were popped and thrown out without a second thought.

LesserEvil: Walker: An autopsy revealed that Jonathan was shot three times in the chest, once in the abdomen and once in his left arm. The teen also had traces of synthetic marijuana in his urine, tests showed.

Bath salts? Was he trying to eat her?

But seriously, you might be able to claim self defense if you just shot him once in the chest. But to go back inside and shoot him 2 more times in the chest is cold-blooded murder.

Not bath salts, Incense.

K2, Oz, Spice, Chronic.... and your local party store or gas station will gladly sell anybody, even an 8 year old, a packet if you have $25 to spend on it.

The problem is this stuff can cause severe psychosis. It's bad enough that the military, which usually second chances pot and cocaine users, will kick you out if you have this in your possession. It's not a reaction to hysteria or flustered helicopter moms, but a result of seeing the damage in naval hospital psych wards.

Bath Salts tends to be a bit worse, because the synthetics used are "harsher" targets, like PCP analogs. Both are bad, IMO. Its users are in the same class as paint huffers.

Thanks for the drug class. I don't know much about the drug scene these days. I'm older than most of you whippersnappers and back when I was a kid if we wanted to get high we sniffed magic markers. In class. And weeeeeeeeeeee liked it. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee loved it! We also sniffed our freshly run thru the mimeograph test papers.

Walker: LesserEvil: Walker: An autopsy revealed that Jonathan was shot three times in the chest, once in the abdomen and once in his left arm. The teen also had traces of synthetic marijuana in his urine, tests showed.

Bath salts? Was he trying to eat her?

But seriously, you might be able to claim self defense if you just shot him once in the chest. But to go back inside and shoot him 2 more times in the chest is cold-blooded murder.

Not bath salts, Incense.

K2, Oz, Spice, Chronic.... and your local party store or gas station will gladly sell anybody, even an 8 year old, a packet if you have $25 to spend on it.

The problem is this stuff can cause severe psychosis. It's bad enough that the military, which usually second chances pot and cocaine users, will kick you out if you have this in your possession. It's not a reaction to hysteria or flustered helicopter moms, but a result of seeing the damage in naval hospital psych wards.

Bath Salts tends to be a bit worse, because the synthetics used are "harsher" targets, like PCP analogs. Both are bad, IMO. Its users are in the same class as paint huffers.

Thanks for the drug class. I don't know much about the drug scene these days. I'm older than most of you whippersnappers and back when I was a kid if we wanted to get high we sniffed magic markers. In class. And weeeeeeeeeeee liked it. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee loved it! We also sniffed our freshly run thru the mimeograph test papers.

you didn't have DARE?

without DARE i wouldn't have even tried marijuana, cocaine, LSD, or heroin

inline4: Strange story, that 'synthetic marijuana' is weird stuff though. I've heard of people having some pretty crazy reactions to it.

It is indeed weird stuff. My younger brother started doing it a few years ago and has not been the same since. He smoked pot before but never had anger/psychosis problems until he started doing that synthetic shiat. I don't think most realize how dangerous it really is unless they've dealt with it personally.

i_got_no_strings: She shot the kid absolutely full of holes, while he was calling the police and begging for his life. Maybe he was a bad kid, maybe she shouldn't have let him live with her, who knows? But she murdered him, and cared enough about doing so to reload in order to finish up.

That weapon can carry 10 +1 out of the box.

"There are no winners. No matter what we do to her, it doesn't really matter. Watch her. She's in her own hell. Nobody wins this case."

Unless you count society

As always anyone sticking their hands into this situation will get it wrong, there's too much private time going on. Not just us smarting around on teh internetz but the prosecutors/police. Trying to shape up a kid at an advanced age can be impossible or difficult and he may've been far worse at times. Nonetheless it's hard to come up with an excuse for shooting him.

LesserEvil: Walker: An autopsy revealed that Jonathan was shot three times in the chest, once in the abdomen and once in his left arm. The teen also had traces of synthetic marijuana in his urine, tests showed.

Bath salts? Was he trying to eat her?

But seriously, you might be able to claim self defense if you just shot him once in the chest. But to go back inside and shoot him 2 more times in the chest is cold-blooded murder.

Not bath salts, Incense.

K2, Oz, Spice, Chronic.... and your local party store or gas station will gladly sell anybody, even an 8 year old, a packet if you have $25 to spend on it.

The problem is this stuff can cause severe psychosis. It's bad enough that the military, which usually second chances pot and cocaine users, will kick you out if you have this in your possession. It's not a reaction to hysteria or flustered helicopter moms, but a result of seeing the damage in naval hospital psych wards.

Bath Salts tends to be a bit worse, because the synthetics used are "harsher" targets, like PCP analogs. Both are bad, IMO. Its users are in the same class as paint huffers.

Is there not currently a federal ban on all of those? Not saying nothing will come along to take their place, but...I think all that is now a federal crime.

LesserEvil: Walker: An autopsy revealed that Jonathan was shot three times in the chest, once in the abdomen and once in his left arm. The teen also had traces of synthetic marijuana in his urine, tests showed.

Bath salts? Was he trying to eat her?

But seriously, you might be able to claim self defense if you just shot him once in the chest. But to go back inside and shoot him 2 more times in the chest is cold-blooded murder.

Not bath salts, Incense.

K2, Oz, Spice, Chronic.... and your local party store or gas station will gladly sell anybody, even an 8 year old, a packet if you have $25 to spend on it.

The problem is this stuff can cause severe psychosis. It's bad enough that the military, which usually second chances pot and cocaine users, will kick you out if you have this in your possession. It's not a reaction to hysteria or flustered helicopter moms, but a result of seeing the damage in naval hospital psych wards.

Bath Salts tends to be a bit worse, because the synthetics used are "harsher" targets, like PCP analogs. Both are bad, IMO. Its users are in the same class as paint huffers.

Since the way both of these drugs are created leads to an endless array of annalouges, banning will do nothing to stop them. One substance gets banned, they will just release a slightly modded version.

The only sensible solution is to make real marijuana legal, and easily available.

Walker: LesserEvil: Walker: An autopsy revealed that Jonathan was shot three times in the chest, once in the abdomen and once in his left arm. The teen also had traces of synthetic marijuana in his urine, tests showed.

Bath salts? Was he trying to eat her?

But seriously, you might be able to claim self defense if you just shot him once in the chest. But to go back inside and shoot him 2 more times in the chest is cold-blooded murder.

Not bath salts, Incense.

K2, Oz, Spice, Chronic.... and your local party store or gas station will gladly sell anybody, even an 8 year old, a packet if you have $25 to spend on it.

The problem is this stuff can cause severe psychosis. It's bad enough that the military, which usually second chances pot and cocaine users, will kick you out if you have this in your possession. It's not a reaction to hysteria or flustered helicopter moms, but a result of seeing the damage in naval hospital psych wards.

Bath Salts tends to be a bit worse, because the synthetics used are "harsher" targets, like PCP analogs. Both are bad, IMO. Its users are in the same class as paint huffers.

Thanks for the drug class. I don't know much about the drug scene these days. I'm older than most of you whippersnappers and back when I was a kid if we wanted to get high we sniffed magic markers. In class. And weeeeeeeeeeee liked it. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee loved it! We also sniffed our freshly run thru the mimeograph test papers.

And we ate paste? Why? Because it had a delicious, minty flavor and again....we liked it! And you don't see me having any bingo thrashpot hippo rubber chance sil!

whosits_112: LesserEvil: Walker: An autopsy revealed that Jonathan was shot three times in the chest, once in the abdomen and once in his left arm. The teen also had traces of synthetic marijuana in his urine, tests showed.

Bath salts? Was he trying to eat her?

But seriously, you might be able to claim self defense if you just shot him once in the chest. But to go back inside and shoot him 2 more times in the chest is cold-blooded murder.

Not bath salts, Incense.

K2, Oz, Spice, Chronic.... and your local party store or gas station will gladly sell anybody, even an 8 year old, a packet if you have $25 to spend on it.

The problem is this stuff can cause severe psychosis. It's bad enough that the military, which usually second chances pot and cocaine users, will kick you out if you have this in your possession. It's not a reaction to hysteria or flustered helicopter moms, but a result of seeing the damage in naval hospital psych wards.

Bath Salts tends to be a bit worse, because the synthetics used are "harsher" targets, like PCP analogs. Both are bad, IMO. Its users are in the same class as paint huffers.


No they won't. When in the Navy, it was "Zero Tolerance". No ifs, ands, or buts. I new several guys who were popped and thrown out without a second thought.

I've seen someone have their DD214 altered a week before their retirement because a test came back positive. So I've got a little under 8 years before I think about trying the stuff.

PorradaVFR: i_got_no_strings: She shot the kid absolutely full of holes, while he was calling the police and begging for his life. Maybe he was a bad kid, maybe she shouldn't have let him live with her, who knows? But she murdered him, and cared enough about doing so to reload in order to finish up.

That weapon can carry 10 +1 out of the box.

At a minimum - I have a high-capacity mag in mine (not even the highest available) that holds 14 in the mag - drop 1 in the chamber and you have...class? class? 15, m'kay?

They said Glock but I am fairly sure it was an AK?

This broke the same week an aquaintance and K2 smoking partner of the teen broke into his adoptive family's home with a friend, and beat the father to death. The mother and brother are still in the hospital recovering from the beating. I believe he killed the dog as well, but left the 7 year old sister alone.

Link

DaCaptain19: At a minimum - I have a high-capacity mag in mine (not even the highest available) that holds 14 in the mag - drop 1 in the chamber and you have...class? class? 15, m'kay?

That's standard capacity, not high capacity.

Jon iz teh kewl: Walker: LesserEvil: Walker: An autopsy revealed that Jonathan was shot three times in the chest, once in the abdomen and once in his left arm. The teen also had traces of synthetic marijuana in his urine, tests showed.

Bath salts? Was he trying to eat her?

But seriously, you might be able to claim self defense if you just shot him once in the chest. But to go back inside and shoot him 2 more times in the chest is cold-blooded murder.

Not bath salts, Incense.

K2, Oz, Spice, Chronic.... and your local party store or gas station will gladly sell anybody, even an 8 year old, a packet if you have $25 to spend on it.

The problem is this stuff can cause severe psychosis. It's bad enough that the military, which usually second chances pot and cocaine users, will kick you out if you have this in your possession. It's not a reaction to hysteria or flustered helicopter moms, but a result of seeing the damage in naval hospital psych wards.

Bath Salts tends to be a bit worse, because the synthetics used are "harsher" targets, like PCP analogs. Both are bad, IMO. Its users are in the same class as paint huffers.

Thanks for the drug class. I don't know much about the drug scene these days. I'm older than most of you whippersnappers and back when I was a kid if we wanted to get high we sniffed magic markers. In class. And weeeeeeeeeeee liked it. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee loved it! We also sniffed our freshly run thru the mimeograph test papers.

you didn't have DARE?

without DARE i wouldn't have even tried marijuana, cocaine, LSD, or heroin

Oh no, I was pre-DARE.

RIP Nena

DaCaptain19: Is there not currently a federal ban on all of those? Not saying nothing will come along to take their place, but...I think all that is now a federal crime.

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nunpunter: Since the way both of these drugs are created leads to an endless array of annalouges, banning will do nothing to stop them. One substance gets banned, they will just release a slightly modded version.

They are designer drugs, and the narco schedule that controls these require specific formulas. The Dutch cafe where this stuff is concocted has hundreds of variations, they just shift from one to another and keep spraying cow manure and packaging it as "incense" "not for human consumption" or on cheap bath salts.

There is a bill to stop this, but Rand Paul is blocking it "as an issue of states' rights" - though no other Republicans want to block it.

More troubling is that even if they ban a specific formulation, it's expensive to test for, so it's impractical to enforce right now.

My solution is simple: Subject anybody selling incense or bath salts for more than $5/oz to pay for the State Police to test three samples a year. Fail a test, lose your liquor/fuel/whatever license for 6 months. Party stores and gas stations will fall all over themselves to not sell another packet ever again.

They only sell this crap because it's an easy buck and they have no conscience. My corner gas station stopped selling it almost as soon as they started, when the owner realized what this crap was doing. Yes, he saw an easy buck, but wasn't willing to pay the price ethically. Shame more store owners don't feel that way (and his realization came LONG before all the.current news)

UhrturmGraz: This broke the same week an aquaintance and K2 smoking partner of the teen broke into his adoptive family's home with a friend, and beat the father to death. The mother and brother are still in the hospital recovering from the beating. I believe he killed the dog as well, but left the 7 year old sister alone.

Link

Sorry, here's the actual link to their link. It's nice to see nobody was eaten.

gopher321: Crackhead? Didn't see anything like that in the article, jump-to-conclusionsmitter

I DNRTA, but I recall the story and the picture (with shoes) above; the kid had drug/substance problems.

i_got_no_strings: She shot the kid absolutely full of holes, while he was calling the police and begging for his life. Maybe he was a bad kid, maybe she shouldn't have let him live with her, who knows? But she murdered him, and cared enough about doing so to reload in order to finish up.

He should have pumiced nana's feet like she asked him to.

PorradaVFR: i_got_no_strings: She shot the kid absolutely full of holes, while he was calling the police and begging for his life. Maybe he was a bad kid, maybe she shouldn't have let him live with her, who knows? But she murdered him, and cared enough about doing so to reload in order to finish up.

That weapon can carry 10 +1 out of the box.

if it was a Glock from Michigan it is likely that gun holds a lot more than 10+1... A Glock17 holds 17 rounds, a Glock19 holds 15 rounds. Perhaps if it was the subcompact Glock26 it would only hold 10 rounds.

you must be from one of THOSE states.
/its ok I am from one of THOSE states too

PorradaVFR: i_got_no_strings: She shot the kid absolutely full of holes, while he was calling the police and begging for his life. Maybe he was a bad kid, maybe she shouldn't have let him live with her, who knows? But she murdered him, and cared enough about doing so to reload in order to finish up.

That weapon can carry 10 +1 out of the box.

Was it a G26? If so, yeah, it is 10+1. If it was a G19 it was 15+1, and a G17 is 17+1. Either way, she didn't empty her gun.

DaCaptain19: PorradaVFR: i_got_no_strings: She shot the kid absolutely full of holes, while he was calling the police and begging for his life. Maybe he was a bad kid, maybe she shouldn't have let him live with her, who knows? But she murdered him, and cared enough about doing so to reload in order to finish up.

That weapon can carry 10 +1 out of the box.

At a minimum - I have a high-capacity mag in mine (not even the highest available) that holds 14 in the mag - drop 1 in the chamber and you have...class? class? 15, m'kay?

high capacity? did you mean to say normal capacity? it sounds like you might have a Glock 19 and if that is the case the high capacity mags come in 17, 19, and 23 round sizes. or perhaps you dont have a 9mm... a Glock 23 perhaps? Cuz that goes 13/15/17

Out of the box they'll carry 10 +1 (medium / large frame Glocks) with higher capacity magazines pretty readily available that further increase that capacity. The compact frame Glocks (if memory serves) carry 6 +1..at least in the .40 chambering.

The point being it's quite likely she did not reload and may well have continued to fire because he continued to do whatever it was she wanted to stop. Sadly we'll never know if he got to the Werthers bowl or not.

davidab: PorradaVFR: i_got_no_strings: She shot the kid absolutely full of holes, while he was calling the police and begging for his life. Maybe he was a bad kid, maybe she shouldn't have let him live with her, who knows? But she murdered him, and cared enough about doing so to reload in order to finish up.

That weapon can carry 10 +1 out of the box.

if it was a Glock from Michigan it is likely that gun holds a lot more than 10+1... A Glock17 holds 17 rounds, a Glock19 holds 15 rounds. Perhaps if it was the subcompact Glock26 it would only hold 10 rounds.

you must be from one of THOSE states.
/its ok I am from one of THOSE states too

And I didn't refresh before posting, damn.

2nd degree murder. Really no other verdict is justifiable. I feel sorry for the woman, being stuck with this nightmare kid, while her kid was on the other side of the country doing god-knows-what, but she still shot him nine times, at least once while he was on the phone begging 911 to help him. Awful situation all around.

BadReligion: PorradaVFR: i_got_no_strings:
Was it a G26? If so, yeah, it is 10+1. If it was a G19 it was 15+1, and a G17 is 17+1. Either way, she didn't empty her gun.

My G19 came 10 +1 out of the box, it can carry the 15 +1 magazines as well, but they're not included standard AFAIK.

PorradaVFR: Out of the box they'll carry 10 +1 (medium / large frame Glocks) with higher capacity magazines pretty readily available that further increase that capacity. The compact frame Glocks (if memory serves) carry 6 +1..at least in the .40 chambering.

The point being it's quite likely she did not reload and may well have continued to fire because he continued to do whatever it was she wanted to stop. Sadly we'll never know if he got to the Werthers bowl or not.

You don't know much about Glocks. The only Glock that is 6+1 is the G36, a subcompact, single stack .45ACP. Glock's come with high cap mags from the factory, unless you are in a state that has 10 round or 15 round mag limits.

PorradaVFR: BadReligion: PorradaVFR: i_got_no_strings:
Was it a G26? If so, yeah, it is 10+1. If it was a G19 it was 15+1, and a G17 is 17+1. Either way, she didn't empty her gun.

My G19 came 10 +1 out of the box, it can carry the 15 +1 magazines as well, but they're not included standard AFAIK.

Mine came with 2 15 round mags from the factory, and my G22 came with 3 15 round mags from the factory.

Well, I guess I learned something new about guns today. Oddly, it doesn't make me feel any better.

/was told knowing was half the battle, dammit.

PorradaVFR: Out of the box they'll carry 10 +1 (medium / large frame Glocks) with higher capacity magazines pretty readily available that further increase that capacity. The compact frame Glocks (if memory serves) carry 6 +1..at least in the .40 chambering.

The point being it's quite likely she did not reload and may well have continued to fire because he continued to do whatever it was she wanted to stop. Sadly we'll never know if he got to the Werthers bowl or not.

you mean in the .45 cambering?
Glock 36