Cant say I blame them.

Cheating tools could be easily created to simulate WINE-like conditions, getting passed many anti-cheat protections. It sucks like hell as there are many games that I cannot play under OS X online.

/That is why you have a VM. Parallels for OS X is the best damn thing to ever happen for VM technology

A third party program is any file or program that is used in addition to the game to gain an unfair advantage. These programs may increase movement speed or teleport heroes from one place to another beyond what is allowed by game design. It also includes any programs that obtain information from the game that is not normally available to the regular player or that transmit or modify any of the game files.

WINE does none of these things.

f*ck you blizzard.

Weaver95: A third party program is any file or program that is used in addition to the game to gain an unfair advantage. These programs may increase movement speed or teleport heroes from one place to another beyond what is allowed by game design. It also includes any programs that obtain information from the game that is not normally available to the regular player or that transmit or modify any of the game files.

WINE does none of these things.

f*ck you blizzard.

You're expecting Blizzard to do the right thing when it comes to Diablo 3? It's been clusterfark after clusterfark ever since May 15th:

-Server Overload
-Lots of downtime
-Hacking
-Real Money Auction House issues
-Glitches

/to name a few

i waited with great anticipation for this game. but using every ounce of willpower for d3 in particular i now usually wait at least a month to get a game so they can fix the bugs and get out some patches and for a community to take shape. because of this and their awful launch i will now not buy that damn game, well maybe 2 years from now when it is $10. that is just infuriating and I dont even use linux (but i might someday).

Already debunked. They are not banning specifically for WINE.

The 'hacking' thing was a myth as well.

mainstreet62: Weaver95: A third party program is any file or program that is used in addition to the game to gain an unfair advantage. These programs may increase movement speed or teleport heroes from one place to another beyond what is allowed by game design. It also includes any programs that obtain information from the game that is not normally available to the regular player or that transmit or modify any of the game files.

WINE does none of these things.

f*ck you blizzard.

You're expecting Blizzard to do the right thing when it comes to Diablo 3? It's been clusterfark after clusterfark ever since May 15th:

-Server Overload
-Lots of downtime
-Hacking
-Real Money Auction House issues
-Glitches

/to name a few

-Mandatory 3 day trial period for any direct download purchases

-Mandatory 3 day trial period for any direct download purchases

-"up to 3 days". Really, it's until your payment clears.

Debunked:


"We've not found any situations that could produce a false positive, have found that the circumstances for which they were banned were clear and accurate, and we are extremely confident in our findings.

Playing the game on Linux, although not officially supported, will not get you banned - cheating will."

I had a huge anticipation for Diablo 3. My PC wasn't up to date to play it and only upgraded last week. Everything I hear about it makes it sound like a Fuster Cluck of epic proportions, and I'll probably stick to spending my money on something else now.

Mechwarrior Online comes out next month so spent the $60 on an elite founders edition. Will enjoy Skyrim, Mass Effect 3, and Civ 5 while i wait...

Yea, see, about that...

OriginalGamer: "We've not found any situations that could produce a false positive, have found that the circumstances for which they were banned were clear and accurate, and we are extremely confident in our findings.

Playing the game on Linux, although not officially supported, will not get you banned - cheating will."

When exactly is Torchlight II coming out? About a month ago they said it will be another month. Speculatively, it seems like Blizzard might have gotten some kickback from Microsoft and Apple for exclusivity clauses - or some such - and they are afraid of testing that with users using Wine...

Sounds like some hackers are WINEing because they will not be able to hack into D3 via Linux.

Nothing of value was lost. Find a good game to play on Linux.

Creative Name: Already debunked. They are not banning specifically for WINE.

The 'hacking' thing was a myth as well.

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Not sure I buy the debunk, just because Blizzard issues a statement. What are they gonna say, "Yep, we're giant assholes and we ban paying customers just 'cause we don't want the tech support calls?" Why would someone who knew he was cheating make his ban for cheating public and announce himself to be a cheater?

D3 is the Justin Beiber/Nickleback of video games. All fluff, no substance. People that are dumb enough to pay for this game deserve all the pain they get.

meh, i read Blizzard's response. evidently not 100% of linux wine users were banned. oh well.

The Flexecutioner: Creative Name: Already debunked. They are not banning specifically for WINE.

The 'hacking' thing was a myth as well.

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I'm not giving a citation per sey, but Wine is just a windows gaming emulator that runs under Linux (more or less). I've known few people who have used it in the past to play another Blizzard title, World of Warcraft. One of the users said that the game seemed more responsive under Wine on Linux than on Windows. Blizzard didn't seem to mind then. Now, that being said, are their additional programs that can run in conjunction with Wine that can cause a cheat situation? I don't know. That seems far fetched however.

I'm rather inclined to think like LordStorms and think Blizzard doesn't want to deal with Support issues that deal with users using Wine.

LordStormes: Not sure I buy the debunk, just because Blizzard issues a statement. What are they gonna say, "Yep, we're giant assholes and we ban paying customers just 'cause we don't want the tech support calls?" Why would someone who knew he was cheating make his ban for cheating public and announce himself to be a cheater falsely accused?

FTFY

fredzilla: The Flexecutioner: Creative Name: Already debunked. They are not banning specifically for WINE.

The 'hacking' thing was a myth as well.

[citation needed.jpg]

I'm not giving a citation per sey, but Wine is just a windows gaming emulator that runs under Linux (more or less). I've known few people who have used it in the past to play another Blizzard title, World of Warcraft. One of the users said that the game seemed more responsive under Wine on Linux than on Windows. Blizzard didn't seem to mind then. Now, that being said, are their additional programs that can run in conjunction with Wine that can cause a cheat situation? I don't know. That seems far fetched however.

I'm rather inclined to think like LordStorms and think Blizzard doesn't want to deal with Support issues that deal with users using Wine.

Eh, I thought people who use Linux pride themselves on fixing their own problems. I can't imagine you're going to have a 60 year old women call up tech support for her LInux machine.

zippolight2002: fredzilla:

Eh, I thought people who use Linux pride themselves on fixing their own problems. I can't imagine you're going to have a 60 year old women call up tech support for her LInux machine.

Having worked in tech support, the standard answer for that sort of situation would be, "We don't support that platform." PERIOD.

Magic Find Gear Nerfs

As of this posting, there are 251 pages of basically people telling bliz they are retarded and to leave the game alone.

It just boggles the mind how disconnected the dev team on this game is from the reality that is ARPG's and what the community wants.

How Jay wilson ever gets another job in the industry will be beyond all comprehension.

Even if they're not fielding support calls, they still have PR issues when people go on forums and biatch that things aren't working, then devs look into it, find it's a WINE issue rather than a real bug, etc.

// is a game developer

fredzilla: zippolight2002: fredzilla:

Eh, I thought people who use Linux pride themselves on fixing their own problems. I can't imagine you're going to have a 60 year old women call up tech support for her LInux machine.

Having worked in tech support, the standard answer for that sort of situation would be, "We don't support that platform." PERIOD.


Heuu, no. You start by asking the client to reboot, then you tell them that you dont support that platform but only after flailing around asking pointless questions and putting the client on hold 25 min.

Its call center standard procedure.

LordStormes: Even if they're not fielding support calls, they still have PR issues when people go on forums and biatch that things aren't working, then devs look into it, find it's a WINE issue rather than a real bug, etc.

// is a game developer

yeah, now that ive read more, recognizing wine as a 3rd party software is what some were suggesting the issue was. but i can believe linux has hackers that got banned too. most who love linux love the freedom of the platform and thus the ability to get around all kinds of things other OSs wont let you.

/i should try it sometime
//but the learning curve seems larger these days

Baelz: I had a huge anticipation for Diablo 3. My PC wasn't up to date to play it and only upgraded last week. Everything I hear about it makes it sound like a Fuster Cluck of epic proportions, and I'll probably stick to spending my money on something else now.

Mechwarrior Online comes out next month so spent the $60 on an elite founders edition. Will enjoy Skyrim, Mass Effect 3, and Civ 5 while i wait...

How have I missed this? I am so there....

Baelz: I had a huge anticipation for Diablo 3. My PC wasn't up to date to play it and only upgraded last week. Everything I hear about it makes it sound like a Fuster Cluck of epic proportions, and I'll probably stick to spending my money on something else now.

Mechwarrior Online comes out next month so spent the $60 on an elite founders edition. Will enjoy Skyrim, Mass Effect 3, and Civ 5 while i wait...

im gonna get G&K sometime soon. i watched some Let's Plays of Carthage and i might like this new dynamic in CiV.

LordStormes: Even if they're not fielding support calls, they still have PR issues when people go on forums and biatch that things aren't working, then devs look into it, find it's a WINE issue rather than a real bug, etc.

// is a game developer


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I am so glad, after everything I've heard and read concerning D3.. to have skipped it in favor of Torchlight 2.

Scooty_Puff_Sr: How have I missed this? I am so there....

It's going to be free to play and pay to win.

That's probably why you missed it. Even if it's incredible, it will suck more then inner sphere scum.

I was epically underwhelmed by Diablo III. 10 years to make something with an isometric view that feels like a rehashed game? No thanks. I've gone back to SW:tOR now that they have group finder.

Blizzard has sucked pretty hard since World Of Warcraft.

They stopped being a gaming company and turned into some weird integrated social platform.

Dr.Knockboots: I am so glad, after everything I've heard and read concerning D3.. to have skipped it in favor of Torchlight 2.

When does Torchlight 2 come out?

fredzilla: Dr.Knockboots: I am so glad, after everything I've heard and read concerning D3.. to have skipped it in favor of Torchlight 2.

When does Torchlight 2 come out?

Lonestar: fredzilla: zippolight2002: fredzilla:

Eh, I thought people who use Linux pride themselves on fixing their own problems. I can't imagine you're going to have a 60 year old women call up tech support for her LInux machine.

Having worked in tech support, the standard answer for that sort of situation would be, "We don't support that platform." PERIOD.


Heuu, no. You start by asking the client to reboot, then you tell them that you dont support that platform but only after flailing around asking pointless questions and putting the client on hold 25 min.

Its call center standard procedure.

Don't forget to tell them to do the needful.

zarberg: fredzilla: Dr.Knockboots: I am so glad, after everything I've heard and read concerning D3.. to have skipped it in favor of Torchlight 2.

When does Torchlight 2 come out?

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That's the pre-purchase, it's still not out yet.

Toy_Cop: That's the pre-purchase, it's still not out yet.

Or, maybe I was trying to show that Steam is still showing "Summer 2012" and it's not released yet?

What about making a video of you killing the bosses on Inferno difficulty while having your eyes closed? Videotaping the gameplay against the EULA?

/decided against buying Starcraft II and D3

Slam Dunkz: D3 is the Justin Beiber/Nickleback of video games.

yep. i got to act 4 inferno in under 125 hours without cheesing it. mostly by 'playing' the auction house and not 'playing' the game. gradually began spending 90% of the time on the AH and 10% of the time naked in a game except for runspeed gear running back and forth between my stash and the crafter NPC. haven't killed a monster since May, and haven't logged into the game at all now two weeks. oh well =(

/definitely let-down of the year. if you haven't already gotten it, save your cash. it'll be on sale soon.

jagarr: /definitely let-down of the year. if you haven't already gotten it, save your cash. it'll be on sale soon.

Well, Blizz already made their $60 (or whatever) off of a lot of people, so their bank account is going to be good. What'll hurt is their cost to maintain the servers and fix/add content combined with no continual income by people passing on the RMAH. As far as sale pricing D3, the closest you'll get to that is combo packs. Blizz doesn't like to drop the price of games.

It will be interesting to see if T2 decimates the D3 playerbase. I play WoW and noticed a definite lack of people on my server for the first couple of weeks after D3 came out, but now the population appears to be back to full strength. And in case you wonder, I can tell from the activity on my server's AH (both factions); kinds of things on sale, prices, number of auctions, etc. It is a very good indicator of relative population.

BTW, I think it's funny that maintenance day for both games is on the same day... if they were on different days I'm sure the D3 servers would get pounded by everyone coming over while waiting on the WoW servers. However, it still *feels* like you're getting shafted.

PsyLord: What about making a video of you killing the bosses on Inferno difficulty while having your eyes closed? Videotaping the gameplay against the EULA?

/decided against buying Starcraft II and D3

Because you couldn't take gamecaptures while playing? You do know Blizzard reallllly doesn't give a damn, which is why you can find people streaming they're play live on twitch.tv for bother Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2.

Enitria: jagarr: /definitely let-down of the year. if you haven't already gotten it, save your cash. it'll be on sale soon.

Well, Blizz already made their $60 (or whatever) off of a lot of people, so their bank account is going to be good. What'll hurt is their cost to maintain the servers and fix/add content combined with no continual income by people passing on the RMAH. As far as sale pricing D3, the closest you'll get to that is combo packs. Blizz doesn't like to drop the price of games.

It will be interesting to see if T2 decimates the D3 playerbase. I play WoW and noticed a definite lack of people on my server for the first couple of weeks after D3 came out, but now the population appears to be back to full strength. And in case you wonder, I can tell from the activity on my server's AH (both factions); kinds of things on sale, prices, number of auctions, etc. It is a very good indicator of relative population.

BTW, I think it's funny that maintenance day for both games is on the same day... if they were on different days I'm sure the D3 servers would get pounded by everyone coming over while waiting on the WoW servers. However, it still *feels* like you're getting shafted.

Eh, I dunno about that. I sold a Legendary Ring on the RMAH for $31 (and it wasn't even that great). Stupid people will continue to pay real money for stupid imaginary items.

The fact I have to agree to terms of service agreements before actually playing the game was enough to keep me from getting D3.

I will not pay for the "privilege" to play video games, Bobby.

jagarr: Slam Dunkz: D3 is the Justin Beiber/Nickleback of video games.

yep. i got to act 4 inferno in under 125 hours without cheesing it. mostly by 'playing' the auction house and not 'playing' the game. gradually began spending 90% of the time on the AH and 10% of the time naked in a game except for runspeed gear running back and forth between my stash and the crafter NPC. haven't killed a monster since May, and haven't logged into the game at all now two weeks. oh well =(

/definitely let-down of the year. if you haven't already gotten it, save your cash. it'll be on sale soon.

So let me get this straight.

You:
a) Chose to play the game primarily by playing in the most grind-intensive way imaginable.
b) Chose to game the AH rather than the game itself.
c) Did the above two for 125 hours in the first 15 days of release.

And you still call the game a failure.

You deliberately played the game in the most tedious and non-entertaining way possible, and played the game more than 8 hours per day. And you want to blame Blizzard that it was a bad game.

The game doesn't suck. You're just farking stupid.

He may have played it stupid, but the game does massively suck.

OriginalGamer: He may have played it stupid, but the game does massively suck.

I disagree. The game certainly isn't perfect and has numerous issues (as does any online multiplayer game 8 weeks out) but Diablo 3 has already corrected the majority of fundamental design issues from Diablo 2: awful skill point system, ability point system requiring foreknowledge of endgame gear stat requirements, horrible group loot, horrible PvP system (Google TPPK), offline play allowing gear duping, artificial difficulty from resist penalties, no respec, horrible skill balance, mandatory scrolls, horrible potion belt system. People today just look at that game with rose-colored glasses because they were 12 when they played it and didn't know shiatty game design when it bit them on the ass.

D2 was not even remotely balanced or bug free until the expansion, and the same complaint of rares being so much better than uniques and sets was there at release, too. Blizz fixed it by just reducing the number of affixes on rares, and then steadily adding more and more ridiculous uniques. Take a look at the D2 patch notes and look how often they nerf Static Charge, Corpse Explosion, and Conviction. Did you know the Paladin's Conversion skill made the player all but immortal before 1.01? That got nerfed into the ground. Keep in mind that this is before Blizz was honest about patch notes, so "Fixed Spell Description" actually means "nerfed". "Fixed Iron Maiden+Blood Golem bug and increased the Blood Golem's Life stealing" means "totally nerfed Iron Maiden's synergy with Blood Golem but increased inherent Life Steal to make it less obvious".

poisonedpawn78: Magic Find Gear Nerfs

As of this posting, there are 251 pages of basically people telling bliz they are retarded and to leave the game alone.

It just boggles the mind how disconnected the dev team on this game is from the reality that is ARPG's and what the community wants.

How Jay wilson ever gets another job in the industry will be beyond all comprehension.

think diablo is cluster farked take a look at WoT now that game is cluster farked royally

zippolight2002: Eh, I dunno about that. I sold a Legendary Ring on the RMAH for $31 (and it wasn't even that great). Stupid people will continue to pay real money for stupid imaginary items.

This. Also, looking forward to stories, sometime around January-February, about parents all of a sudden discovering real money tax liabilities from their kids playing on D3's RMAH when the 1099 forms start showing up in mailboxes.

Mom: Billy, why does it say here that you earned $10,000? When did you get a job? What did you do with the money?

Billy: Huh? I didn't get no job.

Mom: Well, this form says some company named... um, Blizzard(?) gave you $10,000. That's a lot of money Billy.

Billy, Oh, that. Nah, that's not a job. That's from that game you got me last year, Diablo 3... I've been selling some of the shi... er, loot I find in the game (remember, I told you one time what loot was.) Yeah, so I find junk and sell it on an online flea market kind of place. People buy my stuff with real money and I get Blizzard Bux (tm) to buy Blizzard stuff with.

Mom: What??? You sell things from the game... wait, no, you SOLD $10,000 worth of, of loot thingies, but you don't have any money?

Billy: Wow, cool, shi... er, heck, wait'll I tell everyone how much I sold. I never paid attention to how much it was. The only thing I remember was to spend it so that it wouldn't go over, like, $4,000 Blizzard Bux (tm), otherwise I'd have to get a PayPal something to convert it to real money.

Mom: What??????????????????? You have a... a... a... $10farking,000 earning and no money to pay the taxes on it... I'm going to faint, I need to sit down, I NEED A DAMNED DRINK. Billy, where's mommy's pills?

This

Glad I passed on Faustian World of Warcraft.