As a multi-ethnic man, I am getting a kick out of these replies. And the article itself.

phoxxy: What's even worse is when they just try to justify it by telling lies. Like, "Oh hey, they had and unknown faction with blonde haired blue eye people of X Indian tribe". What? Do you think I'm stupid? (GENETICS! WHAT ARE THEY?)

Kind of an aside from the actual topic of the thread, but there was actually pretty regular, albeit infrequent, confirmed contact between western Europe and the east coast of the Americas since like the 500s or so, and loads of contact predating the US. There are some Roman-style boats in the gulf of Mexico, a couple old colonies from Norse explorers, some less definite stuff with the Egyptians, and so on. During the colonial period, as well, there were loads of colonies that just outright failed and were absorbed into the surrounding tribes.

Long story short, by the time the tribes started keeping genealogies (the 1800s or so at earliest) there were in fact plenty of blue-eye and blonde-hair genes floating around the local gene pool even if there weren't any in the 12000s BCE when their precursors wandered over from eastern Russia.

Went the other way as well, once the European colonies started actually working out a lot of the eastern nations just shrugged and joined right in. Most people whose families come from the east coast/new England in the early 1800s or earlier have more than a bit of local blood in 'em.

//Not sure why we care, all indications were that the local tribes were basically the same warring, murdering, mysogynist, slave-trading bastards as the European nations for the most part. Only real difference was that the plague years weakened them enough that they were also losers once the colonists figured out how to work the local crops. Not seeing the big point of ethnic pride there.

I was told that there would be cats in this thread.

Son, I am dissapoint.

JonBuck: Ringshadow: As a furry..

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What the fug is this person on?

I concur. I think the autism angle explains a lot, actually. But it still reads like a Weird Al song. The one with transsexual Nazi Eskimos.

Also concur on the furry and wtf parts, but how much does autism explain? I'm not an expert on autism by any means, but if this were that combined with drugs I would not be the least bit surprised.

Humanities major problems.

Jim_Callahan: phoxxy: What's even worse is when they just try to justify it by telling lies. Like, "Oh hey, they had and unknown faction with blonde haired blue eye people of X Indian tribe". What? Do you think I'm stupid? (GENETICS! WHAT ARE THEY?)

Kind of an aside from the actual topic of the thread, but there was actually pretty regular, albeit infrequent, confirmed contact between western Europe and the east coast of the Americas since like the 500s or so, and loads of contact predating the US. There are some Roman-style boats in the gulf of Mexico, a couple old colonies from Norse explorers, some less definite stuff with the Egyptians, and so on. During the colonial period, as well, there were loads of colonies that just outright failed and were absorbed into the surrounding tribes.

Long story short, by the time the tribes started keeping genealogies (the 1800s or so at earliest) there were in fact plenty of blue-eye and blonde-hair genes floating around the local gene pool even if there weren't any in the 12000s BCE when their precursors wandered over from eastern Russia.

Went the other way as well, once the European colonies started actually working out a lot of the eastern nations just shrugged and joined right in. Most people whose families come from the east coast/new England in the early 1800s or earlier have more than a bit of local blood in 'em.

//Not sure why we care, all indications were that the local tribes were basically the same warring, murdering, mysogynist, slave-trading bastards as the European nations for the most part. Only real difference was that the plague years weakened them enough that they were also losers once the colonists figured out how to work the local crops. Not seeing the big point of ethnic pride there.

but..but..NOBLE SAVAGES! Europeans are evil! Native Americans lived in peace with the land and each other!!!

Carousel Beast:

but..but..NOBLE SAVAGES! Europeans are evil! Native Americans lived in peace with the land and each other!!!

Yeah I always get annoyed by this. I find a lot of people think that natives were either a ) magical pacifists who could talk to the earth or b) child sacrificing heathens. Reality is boring though and requires actual reading.

Because People in power are Stupid: I want to make love to a badger.

The badger's your friend.

ordinarysteve: Yeah I always get annoyed by this. I find a lot of people think that natives were either a ) magical pacifists who could talk to the earth or b) child sacrificing heathens. Reality is boring though and requires actual reading.

Everything I need to know about native people I learned from watching Avatar.

Transethnicity does actually exist, just not in the way that the idiot in the article is using it.

The sociological concept of transethnicity can exist in complicated instances of cross-racial adoption and other selectively unique situations. It, however, isn't something people typically identify as. It's a name to explain a phenomena that exists within the complexity of culture.

Aurric: Transethnicity does actually exist, just not in the way that the idiot in the article is using it.

The sociological concept of transethnicity can exist in complicated instances of cross-racial adoption and other selectively unique situations. It, however, isn't something people typically identify as. It's a name to explain a phenomena that exists within the complexity of culture.

Sounds like a bullshiat thesis for a sociology major on scholarship from a state-funded university.

ph0rk: its faq

/jesus christ what the fark am i reading?

"otherkin means that i identify with a species or entity other than myself. in my case, it is a cat; otherkin's "kintypes" are frequently animals, but they may also be fictional characters, machinery, plants, et cetera."

So, there are people who think they are a plant in a human body?

I imagine someone spending their weekend buried to their knees in a garden waiting for a bee to pollinate them.

Ringshadow: As a furry..

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What the fug is this person on?

You know, it's bad when people like you or I - people who like Furry Stuff - look at someone and go WTF.

Wayne 985: I read the headline, thinking it was about an actual cat who was born with no or mixed genders... Then I clicked the article and I'm horribly confused.

So is the subject of the article, apparently.

ordinarysteve: Carousel Beast:

but..but..NOBLE SAVAGES! Europeans are evil! Native Americans lived in peace with the land and each other!!!

Yeah I always get annoyed by this. I find a lot of people think that natives were either a ) magical pacifists who could talk to the earth or b) child sacrificing heathens. Reality is boring though and requires actual reading.

So true. OMG... my neighbor is on this "I'm half Indian and my spirit is really an Indian" kick. She has reddish blonde hair, bright blue eyes, freckles from head to toe and pale skin. She pulls out pictures of her parents. Blonde hair. Blue eyes. Pale. Freckles. But she tells everyone, "Oh did you hear that (me) is half-Indian??? I'm half-Indian too!" She put dream catchers up all over her house and smokes pot while telling me she's just like "our" ancestors. Yes... because that's exactly what the natives did. Put dream catchers all over their house and smoke pot.

I asked her if she knew what genetics were and that it was kind of insulting with her carrying on the way she is. She laughed and goes, "But it makes us different! Don't you really feel your soul is different like our ancestors?!?!" I'm like, "Have you read history? Do you know anything?" Then again she also believes that Tesla's soul lives in all of us and magically generates a personal magnetic field in all of us, but that is another story entirely.

I'm not ashamed of anything from my ancestral past -- Cherokee or White. It is what it is. But you are dead on... the reality of history is pretty damn boring. People get hung up on these Hollywood illusions and suddenly "identify" or desire to be something they are not. (I've encountered people like that my whole life.) And I think that can be said for the same of most cultures and ethnic backgrounds.

Psylent1: ph0rk: its faq

/jesus christ what the fark am i reading?

"otherkin means that i identify with a species or entity other than myself. in my case, it is a cat; otherkin's "kintypes" are frequently animals, but they may also be fictional characters, machinery, plants, et cetera."

So, there are people who think they are a plant in a human body?

I imagine someone spending their weekend buried to their knees in a garden waiting for a bee to pollinate them.

I'm part sun. I know I'm too small for a planet though, so I just go to bars and try to get the attention of fat chicks.

Newsflash: trans anything has always been just in the person's head.

How can there logically be any difference between deciding you were "meant" to be a different gender than your DNA dictates, versus deciding you were "meant" to be a different race than your DNA dictates?

I was meant to have a nine inch wang, you gotta believe me. Even if it measures as 7, you are required to refer to it and treat it as 9 inches.

The construction of "transethnicity" means that:

a) the leftist yapping classes have found a rationalization for the existence of Wiggers;
b) after decades of indoctrination in American Optimism and Can Do Spirit, Americans truly believe that they can be anything they want to be when they grow up;
c) you're all narking futz.

nmhansen: As a multi-ethnic man, I am getting a kick out of these replies. And the article itself.

I am not a multi-ethnic person and I, too, am enjoying the article and comments.

Perhaps it doesn't make a goddamn bit of difference whether one is multi-ethnic or not?

Oh HAI

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Oh HAI

Mr. Prince prease? Stop stearing my act!

HotWingAgenda: Newsflash: trans anything has always been just in the person's head.

Newsflash: That thing in your head has everything to do with who you are as a person.


HotWingAgenda: How can there logically be any difference between deciding you were "meant" to be a different gender than your DNA dictates, versus deciding you were "meant" to be a different race than your DNA dictates?

This may come as a shock to you, but there are identifiable structural differences between the brains of males and females. Crazy, right?
I am aware of at least a couple of studies that showed that the brains of transgendered individuals were more like those of the "opposite" sex (that is, NOT their genetic sex). This would be a pretty powerful reason why they might identify with the other gender.

There are no such differences across races, however.

First, the Euro-American Left was all about rejecting conservative prescriptive sociology and psychology in favour of objective description.

Then the Euro-American Left was all about rejectiving conservative objectivism and impartial relativistic description in favour of leftist prescriptive sociology and pyschology.

Make up your minds, will you? If Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber keep swapping places like this we're never going to know which one is which.

Cartoon caption: Small child to "modern" intellectual parents: "Which one of you two idiots is playing Mommy today?

But seriously, folks. This is a serious cultural phenomenon, tinged though it may be with absurdity.

As mentioned, children who are adopted outside of their race, ethnicity, etc., may have to come to grips with families which do not have a set and settled ethnicity or what have you. In extreme cases, this may be tragic. I read of one aboriginal Canadian adopted by white parents who always told people he was hispanic. He thought it would be more acceptable perhaps than "native". In Western Canada, he may have been right. In the American South West, it might have worked better the other way--an hispanic child might claim to be Hopi, Apachee or Cherokee.

Then there are, as I have mentioned already, Whiggers--the phenomenon of white youth adopting the speech, mannerisms, manners, morals, and style, etc., of the dominant culture in their neighbourhoods, which is "urban", aka ghetto, aka black, aka African American, aka colored, aka po' white Southerner, etc. There isn't actually any distinctive traits to differentiate between the various dialects of the white or black South and the mash up which is "Black English" or "Ebonics", but that is neither here nor there--the language of the streets has been over-whelmed by the language of the black lumpenproletariat which was formerly called the underclass and before that the dangerous classes or the criminal classes. Black and white parents alike have to contend with the socialization of their children in anti-social or at least anti-bourgeois ways which can limit their educational and financial success or else propel them into careers in music, acting or sports, not to mention drug-dealing, prostitution and petty crime.

The formal definiton of "transethnic" thus blurs into an imaginary or personal construction of identity on the part of people who may be a few bricks shy of a full hod. Wishful thinking and the rejection of what Freud called the reality principle in favour of magical thinking which makes it so if you wish it to be so seems to be spreading through all layers of US society from the po' mish-mash racial underclass with their mix-and-match families of children by multiple parents living with multiple adults who may or may not be related to them or each other, to the insanity which is the Tea Party, the GOP, and to a lesser extent, the Democratic Party and Ron Paul.

The various forms of fusion between real entities (real meaning official and recognized, like race, religion, class, sex, gender, etc.) and imaginary entitities, such as zombies, vampires, hobbits, whiggers, Republicans, furries, transexuals, pan-dimensional alien-human hybrids, etc., suggest that whom the Gods would destroy, they first make American.

I suggest that motto to replace "united we stand, divided we fall" or "liberty and justice for all", which are clearly delusional.

Not that I have any problem with multiculturalism. I am part English, Scottish, Irish, French, Dutch, Danish, Swiss and Portuguese. My family are members of the following churches: United Church of Canada, Roman Catholic Church, Pentecostals, Weslayans, Lutherans, Danish Lutherans, Anglicans, Baptists, Primitive Baptists (a member of my family founded that religious denomination), and several others. I come from a place where small villages have three churches but no post office. Bible Belt--woo! Can we get a Woe! Bundy? Some of my older relations can remember French, English, Gaelic or Danish being spoken at home exclusively.

The English colonies (the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and to a lesser extent some others such as South Africa, India, and bits of the Caribbean) have all been multicultural from the beginning, despite the extermination of certain multicultural elements by disease, slavery, war, and genocide, not to mention alcohol and religion.

Perhaps we'd best just swallow the red pill and move online with all the other loonies.


So the Red Pillers are right? The "real world" is a giant conspiracy slash hoax foist on us by the machines who are using our vital juices as batteries?

If anybody wants me, I'll be having tea with the Mad Hatter and the March Hare. Bring your own cups if you want clean ones.

If people can argue that they "identify" as a different gender, how can they say someone can't "identify" as a different race?

/not trolling
//really, I'm not; I genuinely want to know

phoxxy: ordinarysteve: Carousel Beast:

but..but..NOBLE SAVAGES! Europeans are evil! Native Americans lived in peace with the land and each other!!!

Yeah I always get annoyed by this. I find a lot of people think that natives were either a ) magical pacifists who could talk to the earth or b) child sacrificing heathens. Reality is boring though and requires actual reading.

So true. OMG... my neighbor is on this "I'm half Indian and my spirit is really an Indian" kick. She has reddish blonde hair, bright blue eyes, freckles from head to toe and pale skin. She pulls out pictures of her parents. Blonde hair. Blue eyes. Pale. Freckles. But she tells everyone, "Oh did you hear that (me) is half-Indian??? I'm half-Indian too!" She put dream catchers up all over her house and smokes pot while telling me she's just like "our" ancestors. Yes... because that's exactly what the natives did. Put dream catchers all over their house and smoke pot.

I asked her if she knew what genetics were and that it was kind of insulting with her carrying on the way she is. She laughed and goes, "But it makes us different! Don't you really feel your soul is different like our ancestors?!?!" I'm like, "Have you read history? Do you know anything?" Then again she also believes that Tesla's soul lives in all of us and magically generates a personal magnetic field in all of us, but that is another story entirely.

I'm not ashamed of anything from my ancestral past -- Cherokee or White. It is what it is. But you are dead on... the reality of history is pretty damn boring. People get hung up on these Hollywood illusions and suddenly "identify" or desire to be something they are not. (I've encountered people like that my whole life.) And I think that can be said for the same of most cultures and ethnic backgrounds.

i'm not a doctor in real life.this doesn't interfere with my diagnosis that your neighbor is a fruitcake. please lock windows and doors at night. it's just a matter of time before you wake up in the dark with her standing over you holding a knife. me? i'd move. or kill her. moving is a PITA.

"i'm jun/june, a 16 year old autistic pangender asexual demiromantic trans-asian cat otherkin"

Okay, fine, let's ride this for all she's worth.

Hi! I'm a magical black man from space who helps attractive white Earthlings with their personal problems using my down-to-earth space wisdom.

/Not sure if dedicated troll or totally freakin' broken.
//Would've said troll two years ago, have met some "interesting" people since then.
//It's like a more general-case Poe's Law, really.

Can you be a Whigger and a Furry at the same time?

Can a Vampire be a Furry Vegetarian?

Can a Zombie be a Good Roman Catholic?

If you are transgendered and intersex and a Cherohonkey, how do you keep your closet organized?

What if a Jewish Vampire marries a Wolf Furry? Are their pups raised as werewolves or as Jewish bats? Do Jewish furries have Bat-mitzvahs?

What combination of supernatural being and animal do you have to be to cure Republicanism?

Can Furry rabbits be vaccinated, or does it kill them?

If a Hispanic Roman Catholic Furry marries a Vegan Protestant Republican Lesbian Creationist, will their children be born with seven toes on each foot? Will they choose to adopt a seven-toed cat instead?

How absurd does this have to get before somebody decides to just kill everybody and let various gods and goddesses sort them all out into the seven, or nine, or ten billion hells of their religion?

And what the Hell is the deal with Tweety Birds? Are they supposed to be cute or demonic?

I assume that you know about those Germans who live in neolithic villages or adopt the lifestyle of Plains Indians? and the Hobbits of Russia, a newly persecuted minority? or Canadians who move to the United States and infiltrate your white country clubs, political parties, and offices to further our secret plans for global domination and socialism by pretending to be R.E.A.L. Americans?

Jews for Jesus? Millionaire hobos? Alien hybrids?

And then there are the famous cases: Grey Wolf, the famous "Indian" who turned out to be an Englishman named Archibald; or Hillary Rodman Clinton, the first Black President by Proxy? Heard of them?

Crazy, man. Crazy. This is what happens when you let the Commies put too much LSD in your drinking water.

The fark is cissexism?!

/and what's wrong with being sexy?

Leela: The lake didn't mutate me. What is going on here?
Octopus: It worked for me. I used to be a little blonde girl named Virginia.

Futurama, "Leela's Homeworld"

no talent ass clown: The fark is cissexism?!

/and what's wrong with being sexy?

Okay, uh, from what I understand about the trans* thing, "Cis" means someone was born the gender they're supposed to be, and that they're straight. That doesn't make them "normal", it just makes them "cis".

"Cissexism" is the practice of trying to force "normal" gender roles and expectations on someone. Like expecting girls to wear makeup and so on to "fit in". This can cause a lot of issues for the trans* community because passing seamlessly is not as easy as it sounds.

/tumblr teaches me things
//cis and a victim of cissexism

phoxxy: Then again she also believes that Tesla's soul lives in all of us and magically generates a personal magnetic field in all of us

Those new-agey crystal-waving dorks honk me off more than any other kind of hippie bullshiate. I'm even generally fine with hippies -- peace and love are good things, that's cool. But the retarded pseudo-scientific spiritualism they parade around, appealing to Deepak Chopra as if he were some legitimate all-knowing expert, explaining everything away with vague references to "vibrations" and "energy", and calling people close-minded just because they aren't dumb or gullible enough to buy it? ARGH that crap is infuriating!

Sympathizes:

Formica Archonis: "i'm jun/june, a 16 year old autistic pangender asexual demiromantic trans-asian cat otherkin"

Okay, fine, let's ride this for all she's worth.

Hi! I'm a magical black man from space who helps attractive white Earthlings with their personal problems using my down-to-earth space wisdom.

/Not sure if dedicated troll or totally freakin' broken.
//Would've said troll two years ago, have met some "interesting" people since then.
//It's like a more general-case Poe's Law, really.

Are you really black?

Gawdzila: HotWingAgenda: Newsflash: trans anything has always been just in the person's head.

Newsflash: That thing in your head has everything to do with who you are as a person.


HotWingAgenda: How can there logically be any difference between deciding you were "meant" to be a different gender than your DNA dictates, versus deciding you were "meant" to be a different race than your DNA dictates?

This may come as a shock to you, but there are identifiable structural differences between the brains of males and females. Crazy, right?
I am aware of at least a couple of studies that showed that the brains of transgendered individuals were more like those of the "opposite" sex (that is, NOT their genetic sex). This would be a pretty powerful reason why they might identify with the other gender.

There are no such differences across races, however.



disagrees

Nytfall: If people can argue that they "identify" as a different gender, how can they say someone can't "identify" as a different race?

/not trolling
//really, I'm not; I genuinely want to know

Leftist arguments aren't exactly based on logic.

brantgoose: Then there are, as I have mentioned already, Whiggers--the phenomenon of white youth adopting the speech, mannerisms, manners, morals, and style, etc., of the dominant culture in their neighbourhoods, which is "urban", aka ghetto, aka black, aka African American, aka colored, aka po' white Southerner, etc. There isn't actually any distinctive traits to differentiate between the various dialects of the white or black South and the mash up which is "Black English" or "Ebonics", but that is neither here nor there--the language of the streets has been over-whelmed by the language of the black lumpenproletariat which was formerly called the underclass and before that the dangerous classes or the criminal classes. Black and white parents alike have to contend with the socialization of their children in anti-social or at least anti-bourgeois ways which can limit their educational and financial success or else propel them into careers in music, acting or sports, not to mention drug-dealing, prostitution and petty crime.

In my experience its usually the white kids from the suburbs who are acting 'urban' not the poor white kids from the ghetto.

Gawdzila: HotWingAgenda: Newsflash: trans anything has always been just in the person's head.

Newsflash: That thing in your head has everything to do with who you are as a person.


HotWingAgenda: How can there logically be any difference between deciding you were "meant" to be a different gender than your DNA dictates, versus deciding you were "meant" to be a different race than your DNA dictates?

This may come as a shock to you, but there are identifiable structural differences between the brains of males and females. Crazy, right?
I am aware of at least a couple of studies that showed that the brains of transgendered individuals were more like those of the "opposite" sex (that is, NOT their genetic sex). This would be a pretty powerful reason why they might identify with the other gender.

There are no such differences across races, however.

Good, someone beat me to it so as to save me some typing on my phone.

ChuDogg: Nytfall: If people can argue that they "identify" as a different gender, how can they say someone can't "identify" as a different race?

/not trolling
//really, I'm not; I genuinely want to know

Leftist Rightist arguments aren't exactly based on logic or facts.

FTFY.
Learn before you speak.

phoxxy: There should be no shame for being who you are.

This.
Does that might bring us back to the "content of character" thing?

Approves.

/"...had my cock shortened..."

Ringshadow: Okay, uh, from what I understand about the trans* thing, "Cis" means someone was born the gender they're supposed to be, and that they're straight. That doesn't make them "normal", it just makes them "cis".

"Supposed to be"...according to whom?

(Hint: It isn't the person being born. You don't get a say in your own conception.)

My mom used to say that she was 1/8th "Bohemian" on account of her great grandmother bedding a "Bohunk". I can't remember how old I was when I started begging her not to tell that story at social gatherings.

nmhansen: As a multi-ethnic man, I am getting a kick out of these replies. And the article itself.


I prefer the term "Heinz 57" myself, it sounds so exotic.


Smackledorfer:
I'm part sun. I know I'm too small for a planet though, so I just go to bars and try to get the attention of fat chicks.


If you were part sun wouldn't your gravitational field just draw them to you? I'm gonna have to call shenanigans.

Mouser: "Supposed to be"...according to whom?

(Hint: It isn't the person being born. You don't get a say in your own conception.)

You seem remarkably ignorant on trans* and the workings of the brain.

I said GENDER, not SEX. They are different. SEX is genetic. GENDER is identity and is a lot more plastic than you think. But so is sex: supposedly by statistics, intersex births are more common than redheads.

If your GENDER and SEX match, you are "cis"

/your ignorance is showing

Ringshadow: supposedly by statistics, intersex births are more common than redheads.

Speaking as a redhead and an anthropologist, I can confirm these figures.

I'm long a victim of L-chiralism, but few outside a small population of R-chiral even listens.