TrollingForColumbine: GameSprocket: TrollingForColumbine: Teufelaffe: You know, I've been meaning to get rid of my left foot for a while now. Do I have to move to Wisconsin for it to happen, or can I just visit?

Just mail it back to netflicks.

Got here late an nobody had responded. This was a good one. It took me a second to get it.

I think most people here are on my lawn.

You're just too erudite for Fark.

machoprogrammer: Wook: God Bless Scott Walker!!!

I see a ton of those bumper stickers and lawn signs on the drive up to and in the Fox Cities. How anyone can think the governor selling state assets to his corporate overlords and disbanding unions is a good thing is beyond me.

Because remember, their "team" won against those evil Unions. And it's all about Team GOP in Wisconsin anymore.

sethstorm: YoungSwedishBlonde: Hence why he exempted police and firefighters unions, you know, because those aren't state employee unions...

Walker didn't want it to blow up in his face like it did in Ohio. Had Walker tried to shove a consistent bill, he'd have to make the same sheepish apology for trying the bill.

Thankfully for my home state, Kasich had the arrogance to try. The result was a repealed bill, a governor stripped of his ALEC mandate to reign, and a state that has prospered in ways that Walker couldn't ever imagine.

Fark yeah! Exactly. Kasich followed his butt buddy's example and got his ass handed to him. He's lost support expect amongst the derpiest of the derp and looked like a fool.

Every time I think of the defeat in Wisconsin, I remind myself that we in Ohio pulled it off, and how.

Next up: Putting the redistricting on the ballot. And I think that made the signatures as well.

Kasich may also have his ass handed to him if he lets AEP jack up rates for the repairs in the wake of the storms. PUCO was considering the measure, and I think they were inclined to deny it. If Johnny-boy actually stepped in and was against it, he may increase his approval ratings into the high 30s! ( I may be off, I haven't heard any more about this though).

/Then again, his mouth is firmly on the cock of big business, so I doubt it.

trotsky: Next up: Putting the redistricting on the ballot. And I think that made the signatures as well.

That, and potentially Right to Work, the law that only attacks labor unions yet leaving the employers' union of temporary labor alone, being put up on the ballot as well.

sethstorm: trotsky: Next up: Putting the redistricting on the ballot. And I think that made the signatures as well.

That, and potentially Right to Work, the law that only attacks labor unions yet leaving the employers' union of temporary labor alone, being put up on the ballot as well.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. There was a pretty heavy campaign to get that too. The Ohio opposition is organized a fair sight better than in Wisconsin. That right to work shiat, ugh. Everytime I see some College Republican pimping for it I ask them if they actually know what the hell it means. Inevitably they don't.

fringedmyotis: jigger: A lot of data that goes into those stats are not uniformly counted. For instance, in the US infant mortality counts all baby deaths including stillborns, premies, etc. Most countries do not count it like this.

Link

Fair enough r/e infant mortality, although the link provided does not provide an amended ranking based on harmozined statisticals - just says the US would rank better than it does. Kind of weak to say something would have 'x' impact and then not provide 'x'. Or did I miss a link to new rankings?

The original link is to a composite study based on several variables? Where are the challenges to the rest? Again, sorry if I'm just going data blind & can't see it...

Someone has to do all that work. I don't think that work has been done at least not by the CDC. It does link to something that claims that the difference in reporting standards would change the value of Russian infant mortality by 20-25%, meaning that someone did the statisticals. I don't know how they counted all the fudges and lies though.

All CDC was saying is that the rankings aren't based on apples to apples comparisons.

Walker shouldn't have anything to say about Obamacare since he cut funding to Badgercare. It was a good program that helped out a lot of people who couldn't afford healthcare by making it free or affordable. He slashed the funding which caused a lot of people to lose their healthcare coverage. Also I believe the reason for us raising taxes on cigarettes was to help fund Badgercare, and at the same time help people stop smoking with these support packages. So fark that asshole.

demonfaerie: Walker shouldn't have anything to say about Obamacare since he cut funding to Badgercare. It was a good program that helped out a lot of people who couldn't afford healthcare by making it free or affordable. He slashed the funding which caused a lot of people to lose their healthcare coverage. Also I believe the reason for us raising taxes on cigarettes was to help fund Badgercare, and at the same time help people stop smoking with these support packages. So fark that asshole.

Democrat governors also slashed their state medical welfare programs because the programs were busting state budgets all to hell. Medical costs are just getting ridiculous.

trotsky: Fark yeah! Exactly. Kasich followed his butt buddy's example and got his ass handed to him. He's lost support expect amongst the derpiest of the derp and looked like a fool.

Every time I think of the defeat in Wisconsin, I remind myself that we in Ohio pulled it off, and how.

Right to Work was attempted in 1958 and ended up turning the GOP sane through kicking out the people in support of it. There were some in the business community at that time thought it was an overreach of power much like SB5 was and RTW is/would be.

Oh, and RTW had nearly the same rejection rate as SB5.

Scott Walker is a lying shiatbag who wakes up every morning wondering how he can fark over some more people today. If he said it, we know it's crap.

demonfaerie
Walker shouldn't have anything to say about Obamacare since he cut funding to Badgercare. It was a good program that helped out a lot of people who couldn't afford healthcare by making it free or affordable. He slashed the funding which caused a lot of people to lose their healthcare coverage. Also I believe the reason for us raising taxes on cigarettes was to help fund Badgercare, and at the same time help people stop smoking with these support packages. So fark that asshole.

Remember that GOP primary debate, in SC I believe, where the audience cheered for "let 'em die" as the answer to poor people not being able to afford health care? Walker would have given that a standing ovation.

jigger: demonfaerie: Walker shouldn't have anything to say about Obamacare since he cut funding to Badgercare. It was a good program that helped out a lot of people who couldn't afford healthcare by making it free or affordable. He slashed the funding which caused a lot of people to lose their healthcare coverage. Also I believe the reason for us raising taxes on cigarettes was to help fund Badgercare, and at the same time help people stop smoking with these support packages. So fark that asshole.

Democrat governors also slashed their state medical welfare programs because the programs were busting state budgets all to hell. Medical costs are just getting ridiculous.

They are, but cutting funding to state medical welfare programs isn't going to fix that.

Neither will tort reform or "cross-border competition".

/hearing both of those terms being used in non ironic ways makes me barf

sethstorm
That, and potentially Right to Work, the law that only attacks labor unions yet leaving the employers' union of temporary labor alone, being put up on the ballot as well.

Indiana has now joined the ranks of the "Right to a Shiatty Wage with No Benefits" states thanks to Governor Mitch "Sucks off big business" Daniels. It's pretty awesome.

sethstorm: trotsky: Fark yeah! Exactly. Kasich followed his butt buddy's example and got his ass handed to him. He's lost support expect amongst the derpiest of the derp and looked like a fool.

Every time I think of the defeat in Wisconsin, I remind myself that we in Ohio pulled it off, and how.

Right to Work was attempted in 1958 and ended up turning the GOP sane through kicking out the people in support of it. There were some in the business community at that time thought it was an overreach of power much like SB5 was and RTW is/would be.

Oh, and RTW had nearly the same rejection rate as SB5.

I'm kind of hoping that SB5 had the same impact. I know, I know, it's a pipe dream. I remember in the '90s, the state GOP was sane, mostly. Like everything else, they went off the derp end in 2010.

eagles95: as a person living in Wisconsin, anything this guy does the next 2 yrs i'm fine with. We voted him in twice, so we should face the consequences of our actions. And if that means some poor hillbillies from anywhere outside the few main cities in our state hack off a limb in a tractor, or grandpa cant afford medicine, so f'n be it. I hope this gets the state democratic party off their fat ass and get us a person we can rally behind. Russ isn't coming out of retirement so get the hell over it

I hate to say it, but yeah, we deserve all the horrible shiat this monster can muster.

Don't Troll Me Bro!: eagles95: as a person living in Wisconsin, anything this guy does the next 2 yrs i'm fine with. We voted him in twice, so we should face the consequences of our actions. And if that means some poor hillbillies from anywhere outside the few main cities in our state hack off a limb in a tractor, or grandpa cant afford medicine, so f'n be it. I hope this gets the state democratic party off their fat ass and get us a person we can rally behind. Russ isn't coming out of retirement so get the hell over it

I hate to say it, but yeah, we deserve all the horrible shiat this monster can muster.

Man, I was against this frame of mind before the recall but now? I agree. The retards helped him keep his office, I say let Scooter unleash the dogs of derp on them. Let that no-neck fark with the "Scott Walker for President" hat feel the bullshiat he so ardently supported.

patrick767: Scott Walker is a lying shiatbag who wakes up every morning wondering how he can fark over some more people today. If he said it, we know it's crap.

demonfaerie
Walker shouldn't have anything to say about Obamacare since he cut funding to Badgercare. It was a good program that helped out a lot of people who couldn't afford healthcare by making it free or affordable. He slashed the funding which caused a lot of people to lose their healthcare coverage. Also I believe the reason for us raising taxes on cigarettes was to help fund Badgercare, and at the same time help people stop smoking with these support packages. So fark that asshole.

Remember that GOP primary debate, in SC I believe, where the audience cheered for "let 'em die" as the answer to poor people not being able to afford health care? Walker would have given that a standing ovation.

I think people in Wisconsin fail to see how much he cut, and is not paying to fix this "deficit". Wisconsin owes a bunch of money to Minnesota, and he won't pay them. So they are getting pissy with us right now. He cute Badgercare to fix the deficit, while he gave huge tax breaks to businesses, but we aren't really creating all that many jobs. Yet all people remember him as the guy who removed collective bargaining. What really pissed me off the most was his slashing I think it was 30 million dollars, and a lot of people lost their healthcare, and there are huge waiting lists for people to get on it. Well hoping to get on it. There is also a long line for conceal carry permits, but you really don't need a huge background check for it. As long as your not a felon you can pretty much guarantee to get a permit. I don't think you need to go through gun safety training or make sure your not insane to have one.

Imperialism:

Approximately 122,000 parents, caretakers and pregnant women with an income of more than 133 percent of the federal poverty level will no longer be eligible for Medicaid.

Yeah I'm sure Scott Walker is in favor of expanding Medicaid.

I'm actually curious if those are including, or in addition to, the number of people that lost/are losing since Gov. Walker first took office, and has since reduced the income limit... which is basically saying "Fine, we'll help the broke, but the poor who make just a bit more, are totally farked."
If you live alone, work 40 hours a week at minimum wage, you're making around or over 133% FPL.. That's less than $15,000 a year (Which, if you have 1 other person in your household, is the FPL, so taking in a bum of a roommate is encouraged apparently)...

Someone working full time at minimum wage earns $290 a week before taxes. Gas, food, rent/mortgage, car payments/insurance, utilities... You don't have anything left. So obviously, since you can just barely manage to provide for yourself, why should anyone care to help you... It's like, even though you actually are providing for yourself and thus not a burden on the system, you shouldn't be able to benefit from the system at all (like all the really rich, or really broke)

eagles95: I hope this gets the state democratic party off their fat ass and get us a person we can rally behind. Russ isn't coming out of retirement so get the hell over it

Russ will move for something, maybe a rematch will the hollow suit that is Ron Johnson or if Obama wins on Novemeber something in the cabinet. As for the Democrats learning? Given the field beyond Russ and Tammy, doesn't look like it.

Came for Blackadder

I pay my own medical insurance and I just got a rebate check for about %110 of one monthly payment due to the 80% limit on expenditures.

But since the vast majority of you don't pay for your own you don't know that the people who do pay for it apparently just got a lot of money back.

/My rates also went down when the changes were first initiated. So I'm for this thing, so far.

trotsky: I'm kind of hoping that SB5 had the same impact. I know, I know, it's a pipe dream. I remember in the '90s, the state GOP was sane, mostly. Like everything else, they went off the derp end in 2010.

If not for term limits, I'd not mind if Voinovich or Taft would come back. Ohio dodged a bullet by electing Strickland - his entire record is more hands-off conservative than Kasich has been for his entire existence as Governor. I do appreciate the comic relief by Kasich for all of his screwups, but I would appreciate it even more if he, Kvamme, and the entire JobsOhio board would leave Ohio.

Ohio has done well to reject extremism from any political direction. It would be a shame to accept it.



/One of the rare Republicans in Ohio that doesn't support Kasich or the other not-even-conservative folks that helped him in.
//No, I don't call any State Trooper an idiot for pulling me over. Even if it is a particularly nasty speed trap.
///I give them the professional courtesy due to them while recognizing what my rights are

But...what about the PACKERS?!

trotsky: machoprogrammer: Wook: God Bless Scott Walker!!!

I see a ton of those bumper stickers and lawn signs on the drive up to and in the Fox Cities. How anyone can think the governor selling state assets to his corporate overlords and disbanding unions is a good thing is beyond me.

Because remember, their "team" won against those evil Unions. And it's all about Team GOP in Wisconsin anymore.

Yep, you are right. It sickens me how people view politics as a team sport. I.e. Republicans wishing Obama would fail as president... Why the fark would you want the president to fail? It is your farking country.

Rebochan: But...what about the PACKERS?!

They got eaten by the spider.

You know we could skip this whole debacle about health insurance and just skip straight to a single payer system.

Health insurance annual profits are $200 billion dollars. That is $200 billion people pay for health care that has absolutely nothing to do with health care, it just vanishes from the health care system.

For a point of reference that would be about $650 per person in the U.S.



Here is the kicker though a little more than half of the people in the U.S. actually have private health insurance. So if you have private health insurance really about $1,300 annually of what you pay goes to an insurance companies profits and has nothing to do with providing you with health care (or about 20% of what you are paying to receive healthcare).

That is one hell of a membership fee just to see your doctor.

We don't need everyone in our country to have health insurance, we need everyone in our country to have quality health care and insurance plays no beneficial roll in providing anyone with quality health care.

Lligeret: That is one hell of a membership fee just to pay an additional fee to see your doctor.

FTFY

patrick767: sethstorm
That, and potentially Right to Work, the law that only attacks labor unions yet leaving the employers' union of temporary labor alone, being put up on the ballot as well.

Indiana has now joined the ranks of the "Right to a Shiatty Wage with No Benefits" states thanks to Governor Mitch "Sucks off big business" Daniels. It's pretty awesome.

What would it take to amend it to count staffing agencies and temporary help as unions? It would disarm those that would use RTW as an opening to use the employers' union - temporary workers - as an anti-union measure or a way to quell criticism of bad labor practices that always accompany RTW states.

Lligeret: You know we could skip this whole debacle about health insurance and just skip straight to a single payer system.

Health insurance annual profits are $200 billion dollars. That is $200 billion people pay for health care that has absolutely nothing to do with health care, it just vanishes from the health care system.

For a point of reference that would be about $650 per person in the U.S.



Here is the kicker though a little more than half of the people in the U.S. actually have private health insurance. So if you have private health insurance really about $1,300 annually of what you pay goes to an insurance companies profits and has nothing to do with providing you with health care (or about 20% of what you are paying to receive healthcare).

That is one hell of a membership fee just to see your doctor.

We don't need everyone in our country to have health insurance, we need everyone in our country to have quality health care and insurance plays no beneficial roll in providing anyone with quality health care.

I think the "next step" in this is going to be to introduce the public option that Max Bauchus fought so hard against in the ACA... it won't be single payer like Canada, but it will give people the option of getting onto a not-for-profit insurer who doesn't have a profit incentive behind their decisions of whether to let them live or die.

sethstorm: trotsky: I'm kind of hoping that SB5 had the same impact. I know, I know, it's a pipe dream. I remember in the '90s, the state GOP was sane, mostly. Like everything else, they went off the derp end in 2010.

If not for term limits, I'd not mind if Voinovich or Taft would come back. Ohio dodged a bullet by electing Strickland - his entire record is more hands-off conservative than Kasich has been for his entire existence as Governor. I do appreciate the comic relief by Kasich for all of his screwups, but I would appreciate it even more if he, Kvamme, and the entire JobsOhio board would leave Ohio.

Ohio has done well to reject extremism from any political direction. It would be a shame to accept it.



/One of the rare Republicans in Ohio that doesn't support Kasich or the other not-even-conservative folks that helped him in.
//No, I don't call any State Trooper an idiot for pulling me over. Even if it is a particularly nasty speed trap.
///I give them the professional courtesy due to them while recognizing what my rights are

I used to be right with you, politics wise. January, 2010 changed all of that. Look at Bob Latta, House rep out of Wood County. He used to be a moderate, center right Republican. Now he's a farking loon right wing nut . I follow him on Twitter and it's almost like it's a different person. I worked on his campaign briefly when he was a State Rep and the turnaround is absolutely nuts.

You are a rare breed. I applaud that.

jigger: Raoul Eaton: In all fairness, all those things happened in Massachusetts after Romneycare was enacted. Right?

Well, MA had the highest insurance premiums in the country before Romneycare and they still have the highest.

Considering the median family income is 28% higher than the national average, they're doing better than average on costs, comparatively. Cost of living is different among the different states.

From a rough look, Indiana looks to be the worst state in terms of affordable care - above average costs and below average income.

Damn, MA, you spend a lot on "health care".

And they also PROVIDE a lot of health care; of course they spend a lot.