FTFA: When Is It OK To Spank?

When you have clearance from the tower.


/ same goes for biting.

So what, spanking my child when they willfully disobey will not actually give them a combination of PTSD, ADD, OCD and a severe case of autism on the side? They might just learn from the experience and grow up to be fully functional and responsible adults who learned at a young age that actions carry consequences?

Who knew?

That was close, I thought spanking was...errr...nevermind.

so I won't get hairy palms?

I'll just leave this here.

Why Does Everyone Pretend There's A 'Spanking Debate' - Link

Hypothetical Imperative: So what, spanking my child when they willfully disobey will not actually give them a combination of PTSD, ADD, OCD and a severe case of autism on the side? They might just learn from the experience and grow up to be fully functional and responsible adults who learned at a young age that actions carry consequences?

Who knew?

Anyone who actually bothered to read the scientific article instead of the journalists sensationalist headlines. The day the story started making rounds, I heard my lab's supervisor laughing in his office so I went in to see what was funny. He pointed out the story to me, from several different websites, no less, and then e-mailed me the journal article in question and told me to read it to find out what was so funny. Maybe 10 or so minutes later, some of my co-workers, our various supervisors, and I were having a pretty lively discussion about just how f*cking stupid journalists are when it comes to reporting science.

John Wayne and Glen Campbell agree.

Bettie Page always seemed very well adjusted. Case closed.

Spanking can be permissible if you tip well.

When it's OK to spank your child.

Define "spanking."

Are we talking a couple quick swats to get the kid's attention?

Or are we talking a sustained assault intended to get a child shrieking in pain and terror?

There are people who hide "beatings" by disguising them as a severe form of "spanking."

Oh, and have we factored in how angry the parent was at the time of "spanking?" Because I'm fairly sure that's also a way to determine if it was intended to be corrective or vindictive.

Me and the neighbor kids lit my carpet on fire at 3 am when we were 7 years old.

My dad gave me 3 hard licks on my bare ass with his belt, I think he cried more than I did. I got grounded for a month.

The neighbor kids got ice cream and a stern talking to.

They burned their garaged down two weeks later.

I still think twice before I pick up a box of matches.

Actually, I saw a waitress give a kid a light whack on the rear end yesterday.
The parents didn't interrupt the order or comment.
The kid sat down (probably to conceal the target).
It reminded me that I really do live in a small town.

I was spanked a lot growing up.
Makes me feel sorry for today's kids; it cost's 'em 50 bucks to have a hooker spank them today.

Saborlas: Oh, and have we factored in how angry the parent was at the time of "spanking?" Because I'm fairly sure that's also a way to determine if it was intended to be corrective or vindictive.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Also, parents do not generally spank their children when they are pleased with them.

Saborlas: Define "spanking."

Are we talking a couple quick swats to get the kid's attention?

Or are we talking a sustained assault intended to get a child shrieking in pain and terror?

There are people who hide "beatings" by disguising them as a severe form of "spanking."

Guess who didn't read the article, it clearly discusses that.

Also, that was way too rational and sensible. Article needs more rabble rabble.

One word: Orphanage.

Do you know what Orphanage means? You're gonna find out if you keep it up.

Back to the good old ways, then

Hi, I'm King Something and this is not obscure!

hitting people is ok if they are small.

Saborlas: Oh, and have we factored in how angry the parent was at the time of "spanking?" Because I'm fairly sure that's also a way to determine if it was intended to be corrective or vindictive.

I also wonder if what type of behavior that is being "corrected" is factored in as well. There's a difference between spanking a kid for doing something destructive and dangerous and spanking a kid because you're a mouthbreather and your kid was listening to the wrong kind of music or "acting like a goddamn queer" or something like like that. Here in Fundieland, that still happens quite a bit. Growing up I knew several kids with parents like this.

theflatline: They burned their garaged down two weeks later.

But they did get the mouse they were after, right?

Ned Stark: hitting people is ok if they are small.

It doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to hit people that are bigger than you, now does it?

El Freak: your kid was listening to the wrong kind of music

I dunno. If I had kids, and I caught them listening to Top 40 radio, R&B or modern country, I think it would be permissible to pummel them like Ike Turner on a bender.

So someone took a study and twisted the facts to suit their own agenda? The nerve of them...

If you spank your kids you're a shiattier parent than you could be. Hope this helps.

Mental illness, perhaps, but there is lots of research showing spanking is no better a form of discipline, and lots of research linking it with aggression and other negative factors later in life. Basically, spanking is one of those things were it is, at best, the exact same as any other form of punishment, but has the potential to be way worse.

I found that some spanking early on resulted in not having to ever do it later for my kid. He's great, and I don't see any signs of mental illness. We've got a great relationship. Yes, I'll probably be proven wrong when he gets old and famous and writes his book.

But on the more interesting side, my gf loves being spanked. She actually likes to turn bright red and feel it sting. I love that girl. Oh, and she's into being tied up too, although we're fairly tame on that side.

Hypothetical Imperative: So what, spanking my child when they willfully disobey will not actually give them a combination of PTSD, ADD, OCD and a severe case of autism on the side? They might just learn from the experience and grow up to be fully functional and responsible adults who learned at a young age that actions carry consequences?

Consequences which are (a) dependent on an authority figure and (b) completely unrelated to the actions. You've just taught your child that when there is no one around to discipline them, s/he can do precisely what s/he likes.

Of course this goes for all punishments qua punishment and not just the physical ones. It's just that physical punishments are never, save in the parent's mind, a consequence of the action.

Does the monkey have any say in this?

6655321: John Wayne and Glen Campbell agree.

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I don't see Glen Campbell in those images. I see John Wayne and his real son Patrick Wayne. I think Glen Campbell spanked Kim Darby in "True Grit" the first one.

Having said that, John Wayne spanked Maureen O'Hara in a few movies that I can think of. Back in the day I would have too. Maureen was hot!

Kome: Hypothetical Imperative: So what, spanking my child when they willfully disobey will not actually give them a combination of PTSD, ADD, OCD and a severe case of autism on the side? They might just learn from the experience and grow up to be fully functional and responsible adults who learned at a young age that actions carry consequences?

Who knew?

Anyone who actually bothered to read the scientific article instead of the journalists sensationalist headlines. The day the story started making rounds, I heard my lab's supervisor laughing in his office so I went in to see what was funny. He pointed out the story to me, from several different websites, no less, and then e-mailed me the journal article in question and told me to read it to find out what was so funny. Maybe 10 or so minutes later, some of my co-workers, our various supervisors, and I were having a pretty lively discussion about just how f*cking stupid journalists are when it comes to reporting science.

Well, thank you for giving me a preview of what this week will look like. Fan-freaking-tastic.

Louis CK has a great point about how it's ridiculous that the only people you're legally allowed to hit are your own children.

He rants about how hitting kids is terrible. Then finishes by saying he gets it, and the only reason he doesn't do it is because he's rich enough to have time to spend with them.

CruJones: Saborlas: Define "spanking."

Are we talking a couple quick swats to get the kid's attention?

Or are we talking a sustained assault intended to get a child shrieking in pain and terror?

There are people who hide "beatings" by disguising them as a severe form of "spanking."

Guess who didn't read the article, it clearly discusses that.

Also, that was way too rational and sensible. Article needs more rabble rabble.

That's what I was thinking.

It is hard to get worked up when the article mentions things like the fact that we can't actually prove anything with the research because we don't know if the kids were mentally ill before the spanking. Maybe the kids being mentally ill is what caused them to get spanked.

/I did like the part where they used shoddy science to falsely conclude that grounding and therapy makes kids anti-social

Only unenlightened parents resort to crude methods like corporal punishment.

Only experienced parents realize that those little shiats will bleed you dry if you let them.

Hypothetical Imperative: So what, spanking my child when they willfully disobey will not actually give them a combination of PTSD, ADD, OCD and a severe case of autism on the side? They might just learn from the experience and grow up to be fully functional and responsible adults who learned at a young age that actions carry consequences?

Who knew?

Right. So because spanking a child will not guarantee future generations of psychologists and psychiatrists will be fed, there's not a legitimate issue with spanking as a form of discipline. It's good to see you're remaining rational.

El Freak: Saborlas: Oh, and have we factored in how angry the parent was at the time of "spanking?" Because I'm fairly sure that's also a way to determine if it was intended to be corrective or vindictive.

I also wonder if what type of behavior that is being "corrected" is factored in as well. There's a difference between spanking a kid for doing something destructive and dangerous and spanking a kid because you're a mouthbreather and your kid was listening to the wrong kind of music or "acting like a goddamn queer" or something like like that. Here in Fundieland, that still happens quite a bit. Growing up I knew several kids with parents like this.

I was in the grocery store just yesterday and the couple in line ahead of me had a son, maybe 6, who didn't like that they wouldn't get him a candy bar. He didn't scream, cry or throw a fit, he just sat on the floor, crossed his arms and was pouting. The mom and dad spent the whole time calling him a little fairy, tinkerbell, a queer and telling him he was acting like a girl. I couldn't believe my farking ears.

Spanking establishes early that actions have consequences, and those consequences can be scary and painful. An associative lesson that helps a child grow into an adult that functions normally within a civilization that does indeed punish actions with painful and scary consequences.

Responsible spanking is in telling your child what actions will have the consequence, following through with that consequence, and then explaining to the child what they did wrong, why they got spanked for it, and that you hate doing it, but it was necessary.

Anecdotal evidence: every well adjusted person I personally know was spanked with some incarnation of that process. The one who wasn't (and instead got stern language) is a meth-head with a rap sheet.

I was spanked. I promised myself I would never do it to my kids, and I won't. It didn't teach me anything except that bigger, stronger people can get away with holding you down and hitting you. It didn't teach me to behave. It didn't teach me to settle down. It didn't teach me to clean my room or eat my peas.

All it did was make me resent my father a great deal, and throw a punch at him when I got old enough and big enough to fight back.

What lesson is a kid supposed to glean from being hit? I don't care if it's on the ass, it's still setting the idea in their head that might makes right, and that the rules exist only because people who can hurt you made them up and enforce them with pain.

What made me behave was communication. My mom respected me enough to have discussions with me instead of hitting me. I turned out to be a rather sweet, responsible, intelligent adult (Don't let my Fark profile fool you.)

A swat on the butt to get a kid's attention is fine. Turning them over your knee and whaling on them is pointless. All it will do is make your kid resent you, and find ways to get away with stuff without getting caught by the spanking parent.

And you guys who talk about it being "the good old days"..? I'm betting you're a maladjusted lot who have man-caves and treat other people like crap. "Spanking" is just another word for
"hitting" and there's only one kind of person who endorses violence against children.

Saborlas: Define "spanking."

Are we talking a couple quick swats to get the kid's attention?

Or are we talking a sustained assault intended to get a child shrieking in pain and terror?

There are people who hide "beatings" by disguising them as a severe form of "spanking."

If swatting at the kid is the only way to grab the child's attention . . . you may have bigger problems.

A good parent would never do anything to upset their child in any way whatsoever.
Even telling your child "you've dissapointed me" could cause untold mental damage later in life.

They're all just special and wonderful creatures to be cherished and loved.

theflatline: Me and the neighbor kids lit my carpet on fire at 3 am when we were 7 years old.

My dad gave me 3 hard licks on my bare ass with his belt, I think he cried more than I did. I got grounded for a month.

The neighbor kids got ice cream and a stern talking to.

They burned their garaged down two weeks later.

I still think twice before I pick up a box of matches.

Oh wow. Gee. That settles the argument. No need to actually research the subject. All scientists should just study you.

orbister: Hypothetical Imperative: So what, spanking my child when they willfully disobey will not actually give them a combination of PTSD, ADD, OCD and a severe case of autism on the side? They might just learn from the experience and grow up to be fully functional and responsible adults who learned at a young age that actions carry consequences?

Consequences which are (a) dependent on an authority figure and (b) completely unrelated to the actions. You've just taught your child that when there is no one around to discipline them, s/he can do precisely what s/he likes.

Of course this goes for all punishments qua punishment and not just the physical ones. It's just that physical punishments are never, save in the parent's mind, a consequence of the action.

So if the parent warns the child before-hand that a certain action will result in a spanking that in no way establishes in the child's mind a connection between the action and the punishment?

Right gotcha...I never knew children were that dumb.

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I was spanked. I promised myself I would never do it to my kids, and I won't. It didn't teach me anything except that bigger, stronger people can get away with holding you down and hitting you. It didn't teach me to behave. It didn't teach me to settle down. It didn't teach me to clean my room or eat my peas.

All it did was make me resent my father a great deal, and throw a punch at him when I got old enough and big enough to fight back.

What lesson is a kid supposed to glean from being hit? I don't care if it's on the ass, it's still setting the idea in their head that might makes right, and that the rules exist only because people who can hurt you made them up and enforce them with pain.

What made me behave was communication. My mom respected me enough to have discussions with me instead of hitting me. I turned out to be a rather sweet, responsible, intelligent adult (Don't let my Fark profile fool you.)

A swat on the butt to get a kid's attention is fine. Turning them over your knee and whaling on them is pointless. All it will do is make your kid resent you, and find ways to get away with stuff without getting caught by the spanking parent.

And you guys who talk about it being "the good old days"..? I'm betting you're a maladjusted lot who have man-caves and treat other people like crap. "Spanking" is just another word for
"hitting" and there's only one kind of person who endorses violence against children.



You're a liar.
And a fool, as is anyone else who believes this drivel.

Ned Stark: hitting people is ok if they are small.

Hey, you're only trying to explain to them that they're misbehaving. After all, since children are little people, it's important that we instill in them a way of discipline that will get you arrested when they become adult-type people.

Look, it's very simple: Hitting and yelling, whatever else it teaches your kids, also teach your kids to yell and to hit. You might want to model some behavior that'll help them solve problems later in life instead...

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