There's not a whole lot else going on up there, so good for them for taking advantage.

/one of my best friends went to SUNY Cortland

FreakinB: one of my best friends went to SUNY Cortland

Which Starbucks does he work at?

Supply-Side Jesus approves.

FreakinB: There's not a whole lot else going on up there, so good for them for taking advantage.

/one of my best friends went to SUNY Cortland

Well, they DO have the Cortland Beer Company now.

You can't blame them, before Tebow there has never been a single Christian player in the entire history of the NFL.

Sure, why not? Evangelical Christians have already shown that they are easily manipulated rubes who are more than happy to give their money away for little-to-nothing in return.

Tebow be with you (and also with you)

The NFL is farkin' weird.

An organized entity profiting off the religious gullible? No way! That never happens!

/except every Sunday

Augh, upstate NY.

Dafatone: Augh, upstate NY.

Only time I ever stayed there was the night before move-in day my freshman year and every hotel in Ithaca and anywhere closer to Ithaca was booked.

Uzzah: FreakinB: one of my best friends went to SUNY Cortland

Which Starbucks does he work school is he an assistant gym teacher at?

/Geneseo grad

Can you change it so the horse looks like a jet?

Cortland is Central NY not Upstate NY.

/Senseless Flame

Isn't it south of Syracuse? It's not that far up north and in the middle of fark-nowhere. I've gone boating around Rouses Point when I was younger (a place from which a thrown rock will likely land somewhere in Quebec). Now THAT is upstate.

/just picking nits. don't mind me.

Killer Cars: Isn't it south of Syracuse? It's not that far up north and in the middle of fark-nowhere. I've gone boating around Rouses Point when I was younger (a place from which a thrown rock will likely land somewhere in Quebec). Now THAT is upstate.

/just picking nits. don't mind me.

Anything above NYC is considered "upstate".

People from above NYC will often disagree with this. I'm originally from Rockland County, which borders Westchester and Jersey. It's often called upstate, which strikes me as preposterous. But I really only want to put the line about ten miles north of me. So I'm preposterous too.

Daniels: Cortland is Central NY not Upstate NY.

/Senseless Flame

For the majority of the state's population, any place north of Yonkers is "upstate".

Calmamity: Sure, why not? Evangelical Christians American Consumer Drones have already shown that they are easily manipulated rubes who are more than happy to give their money away for little-to-nothing in return.

ftfy

Arkanaut: For the majority of the state's population, any place north of Yonkers is "upstate".

That doesn't make them more correct.

Dafatone: Anything above NYC is considered "upstate".

Yeah, and I always found that a little weird, but it's not exactly an entertaining and highly philosophical discussion to have, so in actual conversation with someone, I'm not going to go all Poindexter and say "well actually, *adjusts glasses*...."

What I do find more than a little weird is that sometimes I hear people refer to places like Rochester and Buffalo as "upstate NY". Upstate of what? They're goddamn WEST of everything else in NY.

Dafatone: Anything above NYC is considered "upstate".

People from above NYC will often disagree with this. I'm originally from Rockland County, which borders Westchester and Jersey. It's often called upstate, which strikes me as preposterous. But I really only want to put the line about ten miles north of me. So I'm preposterous too.

There has never been a more accurate assessment of the different definitions of "upstate". I grew up in Westchester County, within a 25 minute drive of Yankee Stadium - so I laugh at the idea that I lived "upstate".

Killer Cars: Dafatone: Anything above NYC is considered "upstate".

Yeah, and I always found that a little weird, but it's not exactly an entertaining and highly philosophical discussion to have, so in actual conversation with someone, I'm not going to go all Poindexter and say "well actually, *adjusts glasses*...."

What I do find more than a little weird is that sometimes I hear people refer to places like Rochester and Buffalo as "upstate NY". Upstate of what? They're goddamn WEST of everything else in NY.

To be fair, they're west and up from NYC. Which is kind of the decider here.

I like to refer to my area (Rockland and Westchester) as Downstate NY. But then everyone laughs at me.

If you're in a county with a Metro North train station, you're not "upstate"

I can throw a rock and hit Cortland

Daniels: If you're in a county with a Metro North train station, you're not "upstate"

Speaking as someone from Long Island, my personal line for "upstate" is the northern county lines of Rockland and Westchester. Maybe a little before. Which will piss off a lot of people from farther up, but is also more generous than most people from my area would be.

Four years of school in Schenectady, NY. Yup. It's as boring as you might think.

Killer Cars:
What I do find more than a little weird is that sometimes I hear people refer to places like Rochester and Buffalo as "upstate NY". Upstate of what? They're goddamn WEST of everything else in NY.

You realize like 63% of the state's population lives in a relatively tiny area that's significantly south of Buffalo? Driving west from the NYC area gets you to NJ, PA and eventually OH.

People from upstate need to learn that "upstate" is not an insult, some people down here yap about how upstate is so beautiful and they want to move up there, so it's annoying that everyone from WNY says "I'm not from upstate, I'm from Western New York". If we were trying to insult you we'd tell you you're a hick from the sticks. If I can't order an egg cream at a shiatty diner, you're upstate, simply because you're not in the NYC cultural area anymore.

FreakinB: Daniels: If you're in a county with a Metro North train station, you're not "upstate"

Speaking as someone from Long Island, my personal line for "upstate" is the northern county lines of Rockland and Westchester. Maybe a little before. Which will piss off a lot of people from farther up, but is also more generous than most people from my area would be.

I went to school on Long Island. Most people I met there considered the Bronx "upstate".

IHadMeAVision: Killer Cars:
What I do find more than a little weird is that sometimes I hear people refer to places like Rochester and Buffalo as "upstate NY". Upstate of what? They're goddamn WEST of everything else in NY.

You realize like 63% of the state's population lives in a relatively tiny area that's significantly south of Buffalo? Driving west from the NYC area gets you to NJ, PA and eventually OH.

People from upstate need to learn that "upstate" is not an insult, some people down here yap about how upstate is so beautiful and they want to move up there, so it's annoying that everyone from WNY says "I'm not from upstate, I'm from Western New York". If we were trying to insult you we'd tell you you're a hick from the sticks. If I can't order an egg cream at a shiatty diner, you're upstate, simply because you're not in the NYC cultural area anymore.

This is absolutely right.

IHadMeAVision: simply because you're not in the NYC cultural area anymore.

The fact you can recognize that NYC has a different cultural area than the rest of the state, but can't recognize Western NY and Capital Region/Upstate NY for having the same thing is probably equally annoying to people from WNY.

NY is goddam enormous with probably five regions that have different immigrant growth patterns and have about as much in common with each other as they do with NY Metro.

FreakinB: Daniels: If you're in a county with a Metro North train station, you're not "upstate"

Speaking as someone from Long Island, my personal line for "upstate" is the northern county lines of Rockland and Westchester. Maybe a little before. Which will piss off a lot of people from farther up, but is also more generous than most people from my area would be.

The line in Rockland is, specifically, the "mountain" that separates New City from Garnerville, Haverstraw, Stony Point, etc. The schools in Clarkstown (the New City area) suck at football, and North Rockland High School does not. At least, from my time.

That's overly specific, but I figured I'd point out where the line is. Plus, now we can all laugh at New City for having a dumb name.

/it's the default city name in the original sim city.

Dafatone: FreakinB: Daniels: If you're in a county with a Metro North train station, you're not "upstate"

Speaking as someone from Long Island, my personal line for "upstate" is the northern county lines of Rockland and Westchester. Maybe a little before. Which will piss off a lot of people from farther up, but is also more generous than most people from my area would be.

The line in Rockland is, specifically, the "mountain" that separates New City from Garnerville, Haverstraw, Stony Point, etc. The schools in Clarkstown (the New City area) suck at football, and North Rockland High School does not. At least, from my time.

That's overly specific, but I figured I'd point out where the line is. Plus, now we can all laugh at New City for having a dumb name.

/it's the default city name in the original sim city.

My opinion was influenced by my college roommates. One was from Congers (Rockland) and one was from Yorktown Heights (far northern Westchester). Their communities were sufficiently tied to NYC.

FreakinB: Dafatone: FreakinB: Daniels: If you're in a county with a Metro North train station, you're not "upstate"

Speaking as someone from Long Island, my personal line for "upstate" is the northern county lines of Rockland and Westchester. Maybe a little before. Which will piss off a lot of people from farther up, but is also more generous than most people from my area would be.

The line in Rockland is, specifically, the "mountain" that separates New City from Garnerville, Haverstraw, Stony Point, etc. The schools in Clarkstown (the New City area) suck at football, and North Rockland High School does not. At least, from my time.

That's overly specific, but I figured I'd point out where the line is. Plus, now we can all laugh at New City for having a dumb name.

/it's the default city name in the original sim city.

My opinion was influenced by my college roommates. One was from Congers (Rockland) and one was from Yorktown Heights (far northern Westchester). Their communities were sufficiently tied to NYC.

For what it's worth, Congers would fall downstate in my arbitrary division.

Daniels: IHadMeAVision: simply because you're not in the NYC cultural area anymore.

The fact you can recognize that NYC has a different cultural area than the rest of the state, but can't recognize Western NY and Capital Region/Upstate NY for having the same thing is probably equally annoying to people from WNY.

NY is goddam enormous with probably five regions that have different immigrant growth patterns and have about as much in common with each other as they do with NY Metro.

Unfortunately, if I start throwing phrases like Capital District and Southern Tier around no one not from upstate NY will know what the hell I'm talking about. Most people think of the city before the state if you leave it plain "New York," so saying upstate is just easier than anything else.

/so... Tebow time? I can't wait to listen to local sports radio this football season...

The wife and I lived in Syracuse for a year and a half before moving back to NYC, and they all scoffed when I referred to it as upstate. I'm sorry, but when one of the major hospitals in your city is called SUNY Upstate, you're upstate.

I would also joke with them by saying "I'm from the city. I consider anything above 96th street Upstate."

VictoryCabal: You can't blame them, before Tebow there has never been a single Christian player in the entire history of the NFL.


Nope, not a one.

intotheabyss81: VictoryCabal: You can't blame them, before Tebow there has never been a single Christian player in the entire history of the NFL.

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Nope, not a one.

Well, he is clearly not Christian - he's blah.

Daniels: IHadMeAVision: simply because you're not in the NYC cultural area anymore.

The fact you can recognize that NYC has a different cultural area than the rest of the state, but can't recognize Western NY and Capital Region/Upstate NY for having the same thing is probably equally annoying to people from WNY.

NY is goddam enormous with probably five regions that have different immigrant growth patterns and have about as much in common with each other as they do with NY Metro.

Anyone who has spent any time in California, or really anywhere out west, is currently chuckling at your "goddam enormous," just FYI.

SFSailor: Daniels: IHadMeAVision: simply because you're not in the NYC cultural area anymore.

The fact you can recognize that NYC has a different cultural area than the rest of the state, but can't recognize Western NY and Capital Region/Upstate NY for having the same thing is probably equally annoying to people from WNY.

NY is goddam enormous with probably five regions that have different immigrant growth patterns and have about as much in common with each other as they do with NY Metro.

Anyone who has spent any time in California, or really anywhere out west, is currently chuckling at your "goddam enormous," just FYI.

I've lived in Colorado for four years. Obviously western states are bigger, but some of the eastern states are a lot larger than you'd think. NY's one. PA's another.

Dafatone: SFSailor: Daniels: IHadMeAVision: simply because you're not in the NYC cultural area anymore.

The fact you can recognize that NYC has a different cultural area than the rest of the state, but can't recognize Western NY and Capital Region/Upstate NY for having the same thing is probably equally annoying to people from WNY.

NY is goddam enormous with probably five regions that have different immigrant growth patterns and have about as much in common with each other as they do with NY Metro.

Anyone who has spent any time in California, or really anywhere out west, is currently chuckling at your "goddam enormous," just FYI.

I've lived in Colorado for four years. Obviously western states are bigger, but some of the eastern states are a lot larger than you'd think. NY's one. PA's another.

Still, some of their adorable little "states" are smaller than our counties.

AliceBToklasLives: Dafatone: SFSailor: Daniels: IHadMeAVision: simply because you're not in the NYC cultural area anymore.

The fact you can recognize that NYC has a different cultural area than the rest of the state, but can't recognize Western NY and Capital Region/Upstate NY for having the same thing is probably equally annoying to people from WNY.

NY is goddam enormous with probably five regions that have different immigrant growth patterns and have about as much in common with each other as they do with NY Metro.

Anyone who has spent any time in California, or really anywhere out west, is currently chuckling at your "goddam enormous," just FYI.

I've lived in Colorado for four years. Obviously western states are bigger, but some of the eastern states are a lot larger than you'd think. NY's one. PA's another.

Still, some of their adorable little "states" are smaller than our counties.

Sure. I'm originally from NY, and let me tell you, driving from NYC to Buffalo or the top of the state is a trip. And there's some differences in culture among the small states that make the divide seem reasonable. Like New Hampshire and Vermont.

On the other hand, wtf, Rhode Island. Yeah, I know the story of how you were founded but that was a while ago. You're not even an island. Get real.

I just wish the Jets and the Broncos were playing each other.

We get a Tebow thread and all you nerds can do is nitpick geography? I'm weirdly turned on.

Goddamnit this thread was supposed to be about Tebow and religious nitwits.

Di Atribe: We get a Tebow thread and all you nerds can do is nitpick geography? I'm weirdly turned on.

REO-Weedwagon: Goddamnit this thread was supposed to be about Tebow and religious nitwits.

"Where does upstate start?" is to New Yorkers what "soda, pop, or coke?" is to the country at large. And as you might have noticed, there are a lot of us.

Di Atribe: We get a Tebow thread and all you nerds can do is nitpick geography? I'm weirdly turned on.

It's easy to underestimate how hot upstate NY can be.

/no it isn't.

Dafatone: SFSailor: Daniels: IHadMeAVision: simply because you're not in the NYC cultural area anymore.

The fact you can recognize that NYC has a different cultural area than the rest of the state, but can't recognize Western NY and Capital Region/Upstate NY for having the same thing is probably equally annoying to people from WNY.

NY is goddam enormous with probably five regions that have different immigrant growth patterns and have about as much in common with each other as they do with NY Metro.

Anyone who has spent any time in California, or really anywhere out west, is currently chuckling at your "goddam enormous," just FYI.

I've lived in Colorado for four years. Obviously western states are bigger, but some of the eastern states are a lot larger than you'd think. NY's one. PA's another.

It amazes me how bad people are on the west coast with geography. I can't count how many people have assumed Buffalo is 90 mins from Manhattan, or worse yet the ones who have asked how often I took the subway into NYC.

Daniels: If you're in a county with a Metro North train station, you're not "upstate"

Came here to make precisely this point.

/spends the occasional weekend in the Catskills.

personally i think of anything north of 110th st as upstate...

davidphogan: Dafatone: SFSailor: Daniels: IHadMeAVision: simply because you're not in the NYC cultural area anymore.

The fact you can recognize that NYC has a different cultural area than the rest of the state, but can't recognize Western NY and Capital Region/Upstate NY for having the same thing is probably equally annoying to people from WNY.

NY is goddam enormous with probably five regions that have different immigrant growth patterns and have about as much in common with each other as they do with NY Metro.

Anyone who has spent any time in California, or really anywhere out west, is currently chuckling at your "goddam enormous," just FYI.

I've lived in Colorado for four years. Obviously western states are bigger, but some of the eastern states are a lot larger than you'd think. NY's one. PA's another.

It amazes me how bad people are on the west coast with geography. I can't count how many people have assumed Buffalo is 90 mins from Manhattan, or worse yet the ones who have asked how often I took the subway into NYC.

Population density, I think. Speaking as someone living in CO, 20-60 mile community is not surprising. But, if it was on the East Coast that most likely (please correct me if I am wrong) would be surprising. The East Coast is significantly more compact and populated as opposed to the mid west.

That being said, hell yea I would make a buck off it if I could.

/There was a shop in Denver replacing the name tags from Brandon Marshal to Tim Tebow that made a decent chunk.