What percentage of the teams on that list are able to get away with demanding billion dollar taxpayer funded stadiums?

/Is the rest of the world as dumb as the States?

They have 8 super bowl wins between them. Both franchises have storied histories. Washington is in the middle of a rebuilding process that looks like it will yield incredible results. Cowboys are contenders in a stacked division. Its not hard to see why they're so valuable.

This is a load of crap. We all know that sports franchises lose millions if not billions a year because evil greedy players demand such frivolous salaries. All franchises are just barely held together by benevolent owners who freely lose their own money because their passion is to entertain us.

Rabid fan bases also.

Redskins fan all my life because of Sonny Jurgensen and the fact that the George Allen Redskins had more Texans on their team than the Irving Whizbangs. High school was fun in the 70's.

facisto: They have 8 super bowl wins between them. Both franchises have storied histories. Washington is in the middle of a rebuilding process that looks like it will yield incredible results. Cowboys are contenders in a stacked division. Its not hard to see why they're so valuable.

wut?

facisto: Washington is in the middle of a rebuilding process that looks like it will yield incredible results.

Washington has been rebuilding since 1992.

See that, Dan? You're sitting on a gold mine. Now's the time to sell!

/you're welcome, Skins fans

facisto: Washington is in the middle of a rebuilding process that looks like it will yield incredible results.

Nice try, Dan.

facisto: They have 8 super bowl wins between them.

And 65 Super Bowl appearances!

Meanwhile, Steelers fans smile and nod.

/mostly because they're drunk and incoherent

AddictedToFoobies: Meanwhile, Steelers fans smile and nod.

/mostly because they're drunk and incoherent

Football has given them the ability to count to 6!

The Muthaship: AddictedToFoobies: Meanwhile, Steelers fans smile and nod.

/mostly because they're drunk and incoherent

Football has given them the ability to count to 6!

I read that Pittsburgh is 12th in the NFL, 21st in the world in franchise value. Compared to Washington and Dallas as of late, it seems more valuable than those two based on performance. Bang for the buck.

elguerodiablo: This is a load of crap. We all know that sports franchises lose millions if not billions a year because evil greedy players demand such frivolous salaries. All franchises are just barely held together by benevolent owners who freely lose their own money because their passion is to entertain us.

0/10

The Redskins fans that I know have to be among the most loyal (delusional?) fans in sports. They've been in Snyder-mode for what seems like 20 years now and still buy tickets and excess gear and talk people into believing that this is the year.

Super Chronic: See that, Dan? You're sitting on a gold mine. Now's the time to sell!

/you're welcome, Skins fans

Good luck with that.

/IMO, the man just likes to play real-life fantasy football.

Nana's Vibrator: The Redskins fans that I know have to be among the most loyal (delusional?) fans in sports. They've been in Snyder-mode for what seems like 20 years now and still buy tickets and excess gear and talk people into believing that this is the year.

They are. I had to wake up a few years ago and it amazed me. the last god knows how many years have been "rebuilding" years. It seems like all Snyder wants is the newest shiney player so he can sell more jerseys for a year or 2 before getting another big name. God help RG3.

facisto: Washington is in the middle of a rebuilding process that looks like it will yield incredible results.

Woah, Woah, Woah.

Life-long Redskins Fan here...let's slow down a little bit.

Nana's Vibrator: The Redskins fans that I know have to be among the most loyal (delusional?) fans in sports. They've been in Snyder-mode for what seems like 20 years now and still buy tickets and excess gear and talk people into believing that this is the year.

Some maybe, but over the years reality has kicked in for most regarding that "this is the year" thing.

There's nothing wrong with loyalty though. I've been a Redskins fan my whole life. When I was 10, that was really great. For the 20 years since, it's been really not. But that doesn't change based on who owns the thing or how much he's a royal fark-up who pisses me off. Dan Snyder will die someday, and I will still be a Redskins fan. For me, it's not a choice.

Nana's Vibrator: The Redskins fans that I know have to be among the most loyal (delusional?) fans in sports. They've been in Snyder-mode for what seems like 20 years now and still buy tickets and excess gear and talk people into believing that this is the year.



Would like a word.

exick: facisto: Washington is in the middle of a rebuilding process that looks like it will yield incredible results.

Nice try, Dan.

I'm really interested to see what happens this year. As the years roll by it looks more and more like Shanahan's supposed genius was really John Elway and Terrell Davis being coordinated by Gary Kubiac.

This list comes out like every six months and it's always the usual suspects.

Moopy Mac: facisto: They have 8 super bowl wins between them. Both franchises have storied histories. Washington is in the middle of a rebuilding process that looks like it will yield incredible results. Cowboys are contenders in a stacked division. Its not hard to see why they're so valuable.

wut?

What are you having trouble with?

exick: facisto: Washington is in the middle of a rebuilding process that looks like it will yield incredible results.

Nice try, Dan.

This is just willfully ignorant. This was a team that was in most games till the very end, usually losing to a Rex Grossman turnover/brain fart (vs dallas, vs new england etc.) . This was their biggest weakness and they addressed it by drafting a franchise QB. Their running game was good, producing three different players with 100 yard games. Their O-line provided great protection until injuries started mounting up, which is why they drafted some depth. Even if you don't like Pierre Garcon or Josh Morgan, they are waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Jabar Gaffney and Donte Stallworth. The secondary needs a little help but other than that the defense was stellar. Orakpo and Kerrigan are studs and Fletcher remains a tackling machine.

i didn't say the rebuild would produce immediate results (which it won't given the division and this year's schedule against the AFC north), but it will produce.

Valuable to WHO?

So can someone explain to me why the Redskins always rank so high on these lists? I understand that they have a passionate fanbase and a storied history. A lot of teams have passionate fanbases and storied histories, and they don't suck. And although the DC area is a relatively large (not huge) market, it also has a lot of transients who likely continue to follow their hometown teams. For the life of me I can't see why they rank ahead of the Giants, the most natural head-to-head comparison in my view.

Also, I thought nothing was a better indicator of value than a recent sale; the Dodgers' $2 billion price would put them second on this list instead of sixth. Appraisers tend not to assume irrationality by buyers.

Brian Blessed's Bastard Boy: Nana's Vibrator: The Redskins fans that I know have to be among the most loyal (delusional?) fans in sports. They've been in Snyder-mode for what seems like 20 years now and still buy tickets and excess gear and talk people into believing that this is the year.

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Would like a word.

And a kielbasa, from the looks of it.

groppet: the last god knows how many years have been "rebuilding" years.

2 years. Snyder hasn't allowed a rebuilding year until recently, believing that he could just buy a championship through free agency and thus perpetuating losing season after losing season by trading away draft picks and mangling the cap space. Now that he isn't playing fantasy football with the team they might get out of the cellar... in the next few years.

facisto: Moopy Mac: facisto: They have 8 super bowl wins between them. Both franchises have storied histories. Washington is in the middle of a rebuilding process that looks like it will yield incredible results. Cowboys are contenders in a stacked division. Its not hard to see why they're so valuable.

wut?

What are you having trouble with?

exick: facisto: Washington is in the middle of a rebuilding process that looks like it will yield incredible results.

Nice try, Dan.

This is just willfully ignorant. This was a team that was in most games till the very end, usually losing to a Rex Grossman turnover/brain fart (vs dallas, vs new england etc.) . This was their biggest weakness and they addressed it by drafting a franchise QB. Their running game was good, producing three different players with 100 yard games. Their O-line provided great protection until injuries started mounting up, which is why they drafted some depth. Even if you don't like Pierre Garcon or Josh Morgan, they are waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Jabar Gaffney and Donte Stallworth. The secondary needs a little help but other than that the defense was stellar. Orakpo and Kerrigan are studs and Fletcher remains a tackling machine.

i didn't say the rebuild would produce immediate results (which it won't given the division and this year's schedule against the AFC north), but it will produce.

You and everyone like you are an embarrassment to those of us who were born into Redskins fandom but have one lick of common sense.

/unfortunately, there's lots like this idiot

Super Chronic: So can someone explain to me why the Redskins always rank so high on these lists? I understand that they have a passionate fanbase and a storied history. A lot of teams have passionate fanbases and storied histories, and they don't suck. And although the DC area is a relatively large (not huge) market, it also has a lot of transients who likely continue to follow their hometown teams. For the life of me I can't see why they rank ahead of the Giants, the most natural head-to-head comparison in my view..

I had similar thoughts. I would have thought the Bears would be higher for having a similarly rabid fan base and a larger base population. Redskins surprised me there.

EngineerAU: What percentage of the teams on that list are able to get away with demanding billion dollar taxpayer funded stadiums?

/Is the rest of the world as dumb as the States?

Move. Go to where things are beautiful and full of happy bright promising mother f*ckers like yourself. Upgrade to a better place. Even wetbacks do it, so why not a genius like you? Your future starts today and I hear utopia loves a frugal thinker. Go for it. Pack your shiat and go.

Super Chronic: So can someone explain to me why the Redskins always rank so high on these lists? I understand that they have a passionate fanbase and a storied history.

Because we have an owner who finds a way to squeeze every possible dollar out of us at every possible opportunity.

as a public service, the whole list:

1. Man U - 2.23B
2. Real Madrid - 1.88B
3. Yankees - 1.85B
3. Cowboys - 1.85B
5. Redskins - 1.56B
6. Dodgers - 1.4B
6. Patriots - 1.4B
8. Barcelona - 1.31B
9. New York Football Giants - 1.3B
10. Arsenal - 1.29B
11.Bayern Munich - 1.23B
12. NY Jets - 1.23B
13. Texans - 1.2B
14. Eagles - 1.16B
15. F1 Ferrari - 1.1B
16. Da Bears - 1.09B
17. Packers - 1.09B
18. Ravens - 1.09B
19. Colts - 1.06B
20. Broncos - 1.05B
21. Steelers - 1.02B
22. Dolphins - 1.01B
23. Carolina Panthers - 1B
24. Red Sox - 1B
25. Seahawks - 997M
26. 49ers - 990M
27. AC Milan - 989M
28. Chiefs - 986M
29. TB Bucs - 981M
30. Browns - 977M
31. Saints - 965M
32. Titans - 964M
33. Chargers - 920M
34. AZ Cards - 901M
35. Lakers - 900M
36. Cubs - 879M
37. Bengals - 875M
38. Lions - 844M
39. Falcons - 814M
40. F1 McLaren - 800M
41. Vikings - 796M
42. Bills - 792M
43. Knicks - 780M
44. Rams - 775M
45. Raiders - 761M
46. Chelsea -761M
47. Jaguars - 725M
48. Phillies - 723M
49. Mets - 719M
50. Texas Rangers - 674M

the biggest redneck here: You and everyone like you are an embarrassment to those of us who were born into Redskins fandom but have one lick of common sense.

/unfortunately, there's lots like this idiot

It's abused spouse syndrome. They've changed! You don't know them like I do! It will be different this time, you'll see!

Brian Blessed's Bastard Boy: Nana's Vibrator: The Redskins fans that I know have to be among the most loyal (delusional?) fans in sports. They've been in Snyder-mode for what seems like 20 years now and still buy tickets and excess gear and talk people into believing that this is the year.

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Would like a word.

As a diehard Redskins fan who lives in Chicago ... Thank you.

facisto: Moopy Mac: facisto: They have 8 super bowl wins between them. Both franchises have storied histories. Washington is in the middle of a rebuilding process that looks like it will yield incredible results. Cowboys are contenders in a stacked division. Its not hard to see why they're so valuable.

wut?

What are you having trouble with?

exick: facisto: Washington is in the middle of a rebuilding process that looks like it will yield incredible results.

Nice try, Dan.

This is just willfully ignorant. This was a team that was in most games till the very end, usually losing to a Rex Grossman turnover/brain fart (vs dallas, vs new england etc.) . This was their biggest weakness and they addressed it by drafting a franchise QB. Their running game was good, producing three different players with 100 yard games. Their O-line provided great protection until injuries started mounting up, which is why they drafted some depth. Even if you don't like Pierre Garcon or Josh Morgan, they are waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Jabar Gaffney and Donte Stallworth. The secondary needs a little help but other than that the defense was stellar. Orakpo and Kerrigan are studs and Fletcher remains a tackling machine.

i didn't say the rebuild would produce immediate results (which it won't given the division and this year's schedule against the AFC north), but it will produce.

As a Redskins fan, I have to say the O-Line was just average. This is "great protection" compared to what the Redskins have had for a few years, but it was still pretty mediocre. I am hopeful the rebuild is on the right track, but I won't hold my breath

facisto: This is just willfully ignorant. This was a team that was in most games till the very end, usually losing to a Rex Grossman turnover/brain fart (vs dallas, vs new england etc.) . This was their biggest weakness and they addressed it by drafting a franchise QB. Their running game was good, producing three different players with 100 yard games. Their O-line provided great protection until injuries started mounting up, which is why they drafted some depth. Even if you don't like Pierre Garcon or Josh Morgan, they are waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Jabar Gaffney and Donte Stallworth. The secondary needs a little help but other than that the defense was stellar. Orakpo and Kerrigan are studs and Fletcher remains a tackling machine.

i didn't say the rebuild would produce immediate results (which it won't given the division and this year's schedule against the AFC north), but it will produce.

As a Bears fan, I just had to laugh at that. When Rex is your starting QB, you KNOW your team will find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!

/F*ck it, I'm doing deep
//Unleash the dragon
///Etc, etc, etc

mikaloyd: Move. Go to where things are beautiful and full of happy bright promising mother f*ckers like yourself. Upgrade to a better place. Even wetbacks do it, so why not a genius like you? Your future starts today and I hear utopia loves a frugal thinker. Go for it. Pack your shiat and go.



/Hot, like a sport fan's temper
//Isn't it about time someone bulldozed Sanford Stadium? It's several times older than the "obsolete" Georgia Dome

..so to break it down, 7 soccer clubs, 7 baseball teams, every NFL team, 2 F1 teams and 2 NBA teams

The Bestest: as a public service, the whole list:

1. Man U - 2.23B
2. Real Madrid - 1.88B
3. Yankees - 1.85B
3. Cowboys - 1.85B
5. Redskins - 1.56B
6. Dodgers - 1.4B
6. Patriots - 1.4B
8. Barcelona - 1.31B
9. New York Football Giants - 1.3B
10. Arsenal - 1.29B
11.Bayern Munich - 1.23B
12. NY Jets - 1.23B
13. Texans - 1.2B
14. Eagles - 1.16B
15. F1 Ferrari - 1.1B
16. Da Bears - 1.09B
17. Packers - 1.09B
18. Ravens - 1.09B
19. Colts - 1.06B
20. Broncos - 1.05B
21. Steelers - 1.02B
22. Dolphins - 1.01B
23. Carolina Panthers - 1B
24. Red Sox - 1B
25. Seahawks - 997M
26. 49ers - 990M
27. AC Milan - 989M
28. Chiefs - 986M
29. TB Bucs - 981M
30. Browns - 977M
31. Saints - 965M
32. Titans - 964M
33. Chargers - 920M
34. AZ Cards - 901M
35. Lakers - 900M
36. Cubs - 879M
37. Bengals - 875M
38. Lions - 844M
39. Falcons - 814M
40. F1 McLaren - 800M
41. Vikings - 796M
42. Bills - 792M
43. Knicks - 780M
44. Rams - 775M
45. Raiders - 761M
46. Chelsea -761M
47. Jaguars - 725M
48. Phillies - 723M
49. Mets - 719M
50. Texas Rangers - 674M

1. thanks
2. It's amazing that in the US, NFL teams play 16 games per year and have the same worth of the baseball teams playing 162 games
3. there are liklely errors in these calculations of hundreds of millions, and though the rankings are still relative, my conclusion here is that even bazillionairre banks and banker dudes have no idea what they're doing - not that I didn't learn that from Wall Street over the past 5-10 years.

I believe the stadiums are included in these types of things. At a billion+, the Cowboys don't seem all that special.

/drtfa

elguerodiablo: I'm really interested to see what happens this year. As the years roll by it looks more and more like Shanahan's supposed genius was really John Elway and Terrell Davis being coordinated by Gary Kubiac.

Peter principle. He's a fantastic offensive coordinator, but not really cut out to be a head coach. Yeah, the 92-94 Niners had a hell of a lot of talent, but he had it running like a well oiled machine. Just tremendous, tremendous playcalling. Contrast that to Marc Trestman, the guy who replaced him in '95, who was only capable of calling short passes to the flat, and the '95-96 Niners looked absolutely nothing like the unit that had just steamrolled their way to the Super Bowl.

Losing Ricky Watters and William Floyd didn't help, but his "solution" was to throw 10 passes a game to Adam freaking Walker, and hope that he might break one and run for 5 yards instead of his usual 2.

ole prophet: I believe the stadiums are included in these types of things. At a billion+, the Cowboys don't seem all that special.

/drtfa

They're not. Note how every NFL team is listed and are within a billion of each other. Not every team owns their stadium. I fact, if stadiums were included, the Dodgers would be over 2B and the Yankees would be over 3B (7B if you included YES).

The Homer Tax: the biggest redneck here: You and everyone like you are an embarrassment to those of us who were born into Redskins fandom but have one lick of common sense.

/unfortunately, there's lots like this idiot

It's abused spouse syndrome. They've changed! You don't know them like I do! It will be different this time, you'll see!

Pretty much. They just can't come to grips with the fact that a group of guys who play hot potato for money within 150 miles of where they were born just aren't very good at it.

It's terribly embarrassing to be surrounded by thedse dolts, my Facebook page around draft time made me want to hang my head in shame. I wish that there was Facebook around for the last 20 years, then we could go back and see how Heath Shuler was the second coming of Joe Montana, Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders were the final pieces to a Super Bowl, Joe Gibbs was gonna come back and teach Bill Belichik a few things, and how going into yet another season with REX FUC*KING GROSSMAN as the starting QB wasn't such a bad idea.

facisto: Moopy Mac: facisto: They have 8 super bowl wins between them. Both franchises have storied histories. Washington is in the middle of a rebuilding process that looks like it will yield incredible results. Cowboys are contenders in a stacked division. Its not hard to see why they're so valuable.

wut?

What are you having trouble with?

exick: facisto: Washington is in the middle of a rebuilding process that looks like it will yield incredible results.

Nice try, Dan.

This is just willfully ignorant. This was a team that was in most games till the very end, usually losing to a Rex Grossman turnover/brain fart (vs dallas, vs new england etc.) . This was their biggest weakness and they addressed it by drafting a franchise QB. Their running game was good, producing three different players with 100 yard games. Their O-line provided great protection until injuries started mounting up, which is why they drafted some depth. Even if you don't like Pierre Garcon or Josh Morgan, they are waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Jabar Gaffney and Donte Stallworth. The secondary needs a little help but other than that the defense was stellar. Orakpo and Kerrigan are studs and Fletcher remains a tackling machine.

i didn't say the rebuild would produce immediate results (which it won't given the division and this year's schedule against the AFC north), but it will produce.

Aren't you a caricature over at KSK?

the biggest redneck here: Pretty much. They just can't come to grips with the fact that a group of guys who play hot potato for money within 150 miles of where they were born just aren't very good at it.

It's terribly embarrassing to be surrounded by thedse dolts, my Facebook page around draft time made me want to hang my head in shame. I wish that there was Facebook around for the last 20 years, then we could go back and see how Heath Shuler was the second coming of Joe Montana, Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders were the final pieces to a Super Bowl, Joe Gibbs was gonna come back and teach Bill Belichik a few things, and how going into yet another season with REX FUC*KING GROSSMAN as the starting QB wasn't such a bad idea.

I don't think I'm quite as cynical as you (no offense intended, seriously). I used to be, but it wasn't fun. Now I'm more of an "Always hopeful, never naive." I hope this season is great, but I don't think it will be just based on history. I'll watch every game I can, but if I have something better going on that day, I'll do that instead. I fully accept the possibility that RGIII could be the next great quarterback, but I'll reserve judgement until he actually plays a down.

Ironically, my approach to the Redskins these days is "Stay Medium" (HT to Jim Zorn).

I think the birth of my son had a lot to do with it. I just don't see the point in getting too wrapped up either way. When I see people flipping out in a positive matter, it doesn't really bug me anymore...It's just kind of silly to me now...

Super Chronic: So can someone explain to me why the Redskins always rank so high on these lists? I understand that they have a passionate fanbase and a storied history. A lot of teams have passionate fanbases and storied histories, and they don't suck. And although the DC area is a relatively large (not huge) market, it also has a lot of transients who likely continue to follow their hometown teams. For the life of me I can't see why they rank ahead of the Giants, the most natural head-to-head comparison in my view.

Also, I thought nothing was a better indicator of value than a recent sale; the Dodgers' $2 billion price would put them second on this list instead of sixth. Appraisers tend not to assume irrationality by buyers.

Simple answer: Fed Ex Field. Holds 80,000 people who think Joe Thiesmann is still throwing to the likes of Art Monk and John Riggins is beating the opposition into the ground. Take stadiums out of the valuation and I doubt they'd be up there with the 'Boys.

Nana's Vibrator: The Redskins fans that I know have to be among the most loyal (delusional?) fans in sports. They've been in Snyder-mode for what seems like 20 years now and still buy tickets and excess gear and talk people into believing that this is the year.

Don't forget their "sellout streak". Now at 368 games!

facisto: i didn't say the rebuild would produce immediate results (which it won't given the division and this year's schedule against the AFC north), but it will produce.

when you are in a decades long "rebuild" yes... at some point it will produce results, even just through sheer random statistical variation.

I like RG3, but Skins are still the runts of a division with three other good to great teams.

Mike Brown and the Bengals figured out 25 years ago that winning isn't as profitable as consistently going 6-10 and taking the TV money

Ken VeryBigLiar: Simple answer: Fed Ex Field. Holds 80,000 people who think Joe Thiesmann is still throwing to the likes of Art Monk and John Riggins is beating the opposition into the ground. Take stadiums out of the valuation and I doubt they'd be up there with the 'Boys.

In the interest of being Real Real here, Cowboys fans aren't much less delusional, if at all...

We're talking about two teams who, in the last 15 years, have combined for a grand total of 3 Playoff Wins.

The Muthaship: AddictedToFoobies: Meanwhile, Steelers fans smile and nod.

/mostly because they're drunk and incoherent

Football has given them the ability to count to 6!

Hic, I resemble that remark. BTW, we can count to 7 and when we take the stairway to seven, we'll be able to count to 8.

Suck it haters.

facisto: and they addressed it by drafting a franchise QB.

A little premature, don't ya think? Let's at least get to training camp before labeling RG3 a "franchise QB"