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17 Jul 2012 11:11 AM   |   1425 clicks   |   Foreign Policy
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Diogenes    [TotalFark]  
Republican candidate Mitt Romney's policy on __________________ is unclear and confusing, complicating attempts to either support or criticize it during the campaign, according to leading senators from both parties.

Writing about Romney is as easy as Mad Libs.

17 Jul 2012 09:55 AM
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blackhalo     
Last week, The Cable asked several senior senators from both parties whether they supported Romney's plan for Afghanistan. None was able to articulate exactly what that policy is or what the U.S. force in Afghanistan might look like if Romney is elected.

"What is it?" said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), a Romney supporter and senior member of the Armed Services Committee. "I think [Romney's policy is] 'listen to the commanders' and if it's that, that's OK with me."


This, ladies and gents, is Romney leadership. "Listen to the [subordinate] commanders" [and do whatever they say] = abdication of responsibility as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.

17 Jul 2012 10:04 AM
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FlashHarry    [TotalFark]  
schroedinger's candidate!

17 Jul 2012 10:18 AM
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Vodka Zombie     
The man is utterly nutless.

17 Jul 2012 10:21 AM
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Diogenes    [TotalFark]  
FlashHarry: schroedinger's candidate!

Look, you'd be able to understand Romney if you would just accept his arbitrary and capricious alterations to the commonly accepted meanings of words. It's your stubbornness to submit that makes you incapable of grasping Romney's positions, not the fact that the has none.

17 Jul 2012 10:21 AM
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HeadKase     
This guy makes John Kerry look like a pair of Bruno Magli's

17 Jul 2012 10:23 AM
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vpb    [TotalFark]  
I think it's more that 48% feels one way and 45% the other, with 7% of him undecided.

17 Jul 2012 10:31 AM
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Calmamity    [TotalFark]  
What happens to a cat in the Romney Box?

17 Jul 2012 10:36 AM
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Calmamity    [TotalFark]  
I guess we all know what kind of Romney Box a dog gets.

17 Jul 2012 10:37 AM
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hubiestubert    [TotalFark]  
It's OK, he can retroactively do both...

17 Jul 2012 10:40 AM
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hubiestubert    [TotalFark]  
lh6.googleusercontent.com

THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION CITIZEN! ONLY SCIENCE!

17 Jul 2012 10:44 AM
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make me some tea    [TotalFark]  
So then he's going to do the opposite of what Obama has been doing by doing the same thing Obama has been doing?

Okay.

17 Jul 2012 10:48 AM
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xanadian    [TotalFark]  
Maybe I can see into his mind in this case, but I think what Romney meant is what Sen. Graham suggested: don't publicly announce the withdrawal. It only serves to embolden the Taliban. Do it quietly.

But, I guess that wouldn't be politically prudent.

17 Jul 2012 10:58 AM
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xanadian    [TotalFark]  
vpb: I think it's more that 48% feels one way and 45% the other, with 7% of him undecided.

ha!

17 Jul 2012 10:59 AM
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gilgigamesh    [TotalFark]  
blackhalo: Last week, The Cable asked several senior senators from both parties whether they supported Romney's plan for Afghanistan. None was able to articulate exactly what that policy is or what the U.S. force in Afghanistan might look like if Romney is elected.

"What is it?" said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), a Romney supporter and senior member of the Armed Services Committee. "I think [Romney's policy is] 'listen to the commanders' and if it's that, that's OK with me."

This, ladies and gents, is Romney leadership. "Listen to the [subordinate] commanders" [and do whatever they say] = abdication of responsibility as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.


It's a feel good, meaningless soundbite. In reality, your military staff will have wildly different ideas as to what would be the correct course of action in a crisis. The difference in their opinions may mean the difference between successful resolution of the crisis, or global war.

Case in point: what happens if Romney encounters a Cuban Missle Crisis type scenario? Curtis LeMay suggests pulling the trigger and nuking them before they know what'shiat them, while Robert McNamara urges a measured approach toward compromise. What does he do? Flip a coin?

17 Jul 2012 11:07 AM
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Epoch_Zero    [TotalFark]  
FlashHarry: schroedinger's candidate!

hubiestubert: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 600x525]

THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION CITIZEN! ONLY SCIENCE!


You can know Romney's positions.

....You just can't know Romney's positions and how he got there. Or how he's getting to his position but what his position actually is.

17 Jul 2012 11:13 AM
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pudding7    [TotalFark]  
Irrelevant. Nobody is going to vote for one or the other based on their support of a timetable or not.

17 Jul 2012 11:13 AM
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PanicMan     
Well of course he does.

17 Jul 2012 11:15 AM
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Rent Party     
gilgigamesh: blackhalo: Last week, The Cable asked several senior senators from both parties whether they supported Romney's plan for Afghanistan. None was able to articulate exactly what that policy is or what the U.S. force in Afghanistan might look like if Romney is elected.

"What is it?" said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), a Romney supporter and senior member of the Armed Services Committee. "I think [Romney's policy is] 'listen to the commanders' and if it's that, that's OK with me."

This, ladies and gents, is Romney leadership. "Listen to the [subordinate] commanders" [and do whatever they say] = abdication of responsibility as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.

It's a feel good, meaningless soundbite. In reality, your military staff will have wildly different ideas as to what would be the correct course of action in a crisis. The difference in their opinions may mean the difference between successful resolution of the crisis, or global war.


The real problem here is the complete abdication of policy making to the military. Romney's policy is basically "Become the puppet of a military junta."

The last thing you want in a President is someone who "listens to the commanders." You want a President that will "Set clear policy and mission criteria for those commanders to carry out."

17 Jul 2012 11:16 AM
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quizzical     
blackhalo: This, ladies and gents, is Romney leadership. "Listen to the [subordinate] commanders" [and do whatever they say] = abdication of responsibility as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.

On paper, he'll be in charge, but he's going to work another job for a few years and let his subordinates run things.

17 Jul 2012 11:16 AM
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sdd2000     
In a Rmoney presidency the motto will be "The Buck Will Never Stop in the Oval Office"

17 Jul 2012 11:18 AM
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PonceAlyosha     
sdd2000: In a Rmoney presidency the motto will be "The Buck Will Never Stop in the Oval Office"

I was under the impression that all the bucks stopped in Romney's wallet.

17 Jul 2012 11:18 AM
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sprawl15     
PonceAlyosha: sdd2000: In a Rmoney presidency the motto will be "The Buck Will Never Stop in the Oval Office"

I was under the impression that all the bucks stopped in Romney's wallet.


"Romney's wallet" is a metaphor for the Cayman Islands.

17 Jul 2012 11:19 AM
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Dwight_Yeast     
gilgigamesh: Case in point: what happens if Romney encounters a Cuban Missle Crisis type scenario? Curtis LeMay suggests pulling the trigger and nuking them before they know what'shiat them, while Robert McNamara urges a measured approach toward compromise. What does he do? Flip a coin?

Pray that the ghost of Bobby Kennedy shows up and tells him what to do? (which is what happened last time).

Also, that's a good example of what happens when you have TWO sociopaths giving you advice.

17 Jul 2012 11:21 AM
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FooDog     
Republican candidate Mitt Romney's policy on _____Lemonade_____________ is unclear and confusing, complicating attempts to either support or criticize it during the campaign, according to leading senators from both parties.

17 Jul 2012 11:21 AM
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Philip Francis Queeg     
We must be careful not to look weak to the Soviets!

17 Jul 2012 11:22 AM
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palelizard     
Sooo... Romney's double-secret military plan is to do the same thing as Obama, but not announce it to anyone.

17 Jul 2012 11:23 AM
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NeoCortex42    [TotalFark]  
FTA:"Graham agreed with Romney's criticism of Obama's plan to withdraw the 30,000 surge troops by September, which means the bulk of them will not be around for this summer's fighting season."

Wait, they have a fighting season? Are there, like, leagues or something?

17 Jul 2012 11:24 AM
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MaudlinMutantMollusk    [TotalFark]  
i45.tinypic.com

17 Jul 2012 11:24 AM
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palelizard     
sprawl15: PonceAlyosha: sdd2000: In a Rmoney presidency the motto will be "The Buck Will Never Stop in the Oval Office"

I was under the impression that all the bucks stopped in Romney's wallet.

"Romney's wallet" is a metaphor for the Cayman Islands.


It's good you clarified that for me. Because that's NOT where my mind was going on the definition of "Romney's wallet".

17 Jul 2012 11:24 AM
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Dwight_Yeast     
Has the Romney issued anything resembling a campaign platform yet? Or is it all "I'll undo whatever Obama's done."

17 Jul 2012 11:25 AM
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Duke Phillips' Singing Bears     
sdd2000: In a Rmoney presidency the motto will be "The Buck Will Never Stop in the Oval Office"

He'll siphon a little off the top while that buck heads out of the country.

17 Jul 2012 11:26 AM
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IHadMeAVision     
Rent Party:

The real problem here is the complete abdication of policy making to the military. Romney's policy is basically "Become the puppet of a military junta."

The last thing you want in a President is someone who "listens to the commanders." You want a President that will "Set clear policy and mission criteria for those commanders to carry out."


Eh, not a military junta, just being a shiatty president. A military junta usually takes control after the elites of a country have the democratically-elected president murdered because the proles put in the wrong guy.

17 Jul 2012 11:27 AM
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Dr Dreidel    [TotalFark]  
NeoCortex42: FTA:"Graham agreed with Romney's criticism of Obama's plan to withdraw the 30,000 surge troops by September, which means the bulk of them will not be around for this summer's fighting season."

Wait, they have a fighting season? Are there, like, leagues or something?


Mixed Martial Law

17 Jul 2012 11:29 AM
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cram_hole     
Obviously he'll retroactively withdraw the troops. They'll be there another 10 years, but they really left in 2014.

17 Jul 2012 11:29 AM
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Felgraf    [TotalFark]  
xanadian: Maybe I can see into his mind in this case, but I think what Romney meant is what Sen. Graham suggested: don't publicly announce the withdrawal. It only serves to embolden the Taliban. Do it quietly.

But, I guess that wouldn't be politically prudent.


But here's why that's silly and doesn't work:

If you're leaving? THEY CAN TELL. Whether or not you *announce* it. "Gee, Bobhammed, there's, like, no one at that military base anymore, and there were all those trucks pulling their equipment out."
"WE SHOULD ACT LIKE THEY'RE STILL THERE!"
"But we saw them leave, doesn't that-"
"DAMNIT JIMHOMMAD, THEY DIDN'T SAY THEY WERE LEAVING, SO THEY COULDN'T HAVE."

17 Jul 2012 11:30 AM
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imontheinternet    [TotalFark]  
images.wikia.com

Gov. Romney has a secret plan to fight the Afghan War, terrorism, and inflation.

/woot canaw

17 Jul 2012 11:30 AM
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Rashnu     
"What is it?" said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), a Romney supporter and senior member of the Armed Services Committee. "I think [Romney's policy is] 'listen to the commanders' and if it's that, that's OK with me."

Ah yes, Romney's patented CEO management style. "Listen to the commanders," what true foreign policy leadership. Surely following this formula will lead to geopolitical dominance and stability.

/Mitt Romney is conducting PSYOPs against the Taliban

17 Jul 2012 11:30 AM
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Infernalist     
The man has shown that he's only good at looting. Why should we let him have a chance at the White House again?

17 Jul 2012 11:31 AM
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Spazmojack     
Lime. Dry. Bad.

17 Jul 2012 11:31 AM
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Smoking GNU     
Republican candidate Mitt Romney's policy on _____Spongebob Squarepants_____________ is unclear and confusing, complicating attempts to either support or criticize it during the campaign, according to leading senators from both parties.

17 Jul 2012 11:31 AM
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Professor Duck     
Epoch_Zero: FlashHarry: schroedinger's candidate!

hubiestubert: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 600x525]

THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION CITIZEN! ONLY SCIENCE!

You can know Romney's positions.

....You just can't know Romney's positions and how he got there. Or how he's getting to his position but what his position actually is.


Wait wait wait....is this Schrödinger's candidate or Heisenberg's candidate?

...or would observing that change the end result?

17 Jul 2012 11:38 AM
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Cletus C.     
It seems clear Romney's plan for Afghanistan is to clean up Obama's mess.

Just like Obama's plan was to clean up Bush's mess.

17 Jul 2012 11:40 AM
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imontheinternet    [TotalFark]  
Obama's people should do an ad that plays off of Hillary's 3am phone call ad, but have Romney answer. Hours tick away on the clock at the bottom of the screen, while Romney stutters, stammers, gives incoherent answers, then finally asks if he can phone a friend.

17 Jul 2012 11:40 AM
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The Homer Tax     
Prominent Senators in Mitt Romney's own party don't know what his positions on very important issues are.

17 Jul 2012 11:40 AM
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Rann Xerox     
Mitt Romney is like the character Richard Rich from the movie "A Man for All Seasons":

Richard Rich: Employ me.
Sir Thomas More: No.
Richard Rich: I would be faithful.
Sir Thomas More: Richard, you couldn't answer for yourself even so far as tonight.

17 Jul 2012 11:40 AM
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gilgigamesh    [TotalFark]  
FooDog: Republican candidate Mitt Romney's policy on _____Lemonade_____________ is unclear and confusing, complicating attempts to either support or criticize it during the campaign, according to leading senators from both parties.

Actually I think his policy on lemonade is quite clear, and I am in full agreement.

"Lemon, wet, good"? I agree completely.

17 Jul 2012 11:41 AM
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LarryDan43     
pudding7: Irrelevant. Nobody is going to vote for one or the other based on their support of a timetable or not.

Perhaps if your husband or wife was serving, you'd feel differently.

17 Jul 2012 11:41 AM
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The Homer Tax     
Cletus C.: It seems clear Romney's plan for Afghanistan is to clean up Obama's mess.

Does that "seem clear" to you?

Because it doesn't eve seem clear to Lindsey Graham, someone who I would wager is a tad more plugged in than you.

Mitt Romney's position on Lemonade isn't clear, do you think he can even spell Afghanistan?

17 Jul 2012 11:42 AM
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Dwight_Yeast     
imontheinternet: Gov. Romney has a secret plan to fight the Afghan War, terrorism, and inflation.

Does he have groupies on the Internet?

17 Jul 2012 11:42 AM
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